SimRacing.org.uk

Since the demise of our old faithful server 1.UKGPL at the end of Season 17 we have been using a mixture of dedicated games servers that we have been able to borrow from other leagues and various home-based servers running on domestic broadband connections.  This has resulted in some hectic race organisations and unfortunately very bad lag on some occasions and so for Season 19 we have decided to opt for a dedicated games server of our own.  Well not quite.  

Thanks to Fulvio Policardi, we were fortunate to have the use of the Team 7 (http://www.team7racing.net/english/index_eng.html) server for much of Season 18 and without it there would have been no racing.  So for Season 19, Team 7 have agreed to make the arrangement a little more formal.  They will continue to rent the server from the provider, with all the legal and financial obligations that entails, but they will allow us to use the server on our race nights (Sundays and Tuesdays).  Team 7 will use the server for their own races on the other nights.  In return we will collect donations from the UKGPL drivers and so contribute to the upkeep of the server.

The arrangement with Team 7 is informal but the following calculation illustrates the sort of donation that would fair:

The server rental quarterly cost is about  £300

Note: this is for a server with full admin rights.  A cheaper “games” server only allows users to use the installed games.  For GPL we need full admin rights to install the game and all the patches and modifications.

So sharing the server 50:50 with Team 7 means we should contribute £150 per quarter.  But if we calculated the cost based on the number of race nights (2 out of 7) then we should contribute about £86 per quarter.  Provided we stay somewhere between those limits hopefully the arrangement with Team 7 will be harmonious.  I’m sure you can decide for yourselves what a fair individual contribution would be based on the number of active drivers in the league.

The “Server Costs” Meter at the top of the UKGPL pages will indicate how healthy the server fund is.  If the server meter is in the red then it is hoped that the UKGPL drivers will recognise the fact and contribute as they see fit.  To make the process of contributing as simple as possible Vlad Vosblod will administer a PayPal account on behalf of UKGPL.  It is appreciated that administration costs levied by PayPal are quite high but it is the easiest way to get the server fund started.  We may migrate to a cheaper method in the future.

When the meter at the top of this page goes into the red a donate button will appear.  Clicking on the donate button will take you to a PayPal web page where you can donate if you wish.  Please note updating the meter is a manual process so don't expect it to move once you have placed a donation.  The admin staff will periodically (hopefully quite regularly) update the meter balance to reflect the true balance in the PayPal account.  Once the meter is in the green the donate button will dissapear.  We don't want to be collecting money when we don't need it!

I don't have a problem with this, and I'm quite happy to donate whatever fee is agreed. Thanks to the moderators for sorting this out.

Cheers,

Ross

No probs with that at all, as we have had the opportunity to prove what a good server T7 is.

Thanks to Fulvio and the Mods for sorting that out. :thumbup1:

£86 per ?


Is that Each ::)

not unless you need a server each!  :laugh:

2 and a tanner to you Bernie.

If you read on a bit Bernie it says "I’m sure you can decide for yourselves what a fair individual contribution would be based on the number of active drivers in the league."

I didn't want to go down to the detail of suggesting a level of donation, that is really a personal issue based on what an individual can afford but since it is causing confusion. 

Just say we had 50 drivers equally affluent but not wanting to contribute more than the next man:

They would EACH need to make
    a MINIMAL quarterly donation of 86/50 = £1.72
OR 
   a MAXIMUM quarterly donation of 150/50 = £3.00

I'd be happy to contribute. Where's the PayPal link? :)

I'll be setting it up soon.

Two shillings and sixpence ?  why that's almost half a cown  ::)

I only want to borrow the server not buy the thing  :o :o :o

 

 :D
I am fine with this.
lets see how strong that server is, if it really serves any advantages over the domestics broadband servers.

 >:( only thing I dont like that much is using ebays ( paypal ) american moneyhouse ( J.P.Morgan Chase  )  , as I am a member of the european union that kinda money-transfer only steels money away and through me into sort of legal nowhere land .
 ;) but isnt a too hard deal to me .lol

If it bothers you that much, transfer it my way and I'll send it on. :)

We did have a bit of a debate re this, especially re high commission, but at the end of the day it's the easiest option.
IF you would prefer to transfer some money direct to the account PM me for details.

PS: Paypal should be sorted soon

The PayPal account is active - you should see a Donate button at the top of this page.

When the meter at the top of this page goes into the red a donate button will appear.  Clicking on the donate button will take you to a PayPal web page where you can donate if you wish.  Please note updating the meter is a manual process so don't expect it to move once you have placed a donation.  The admin staff will periodically (hopefully quite regularly) update the meter balance to reflect the true balance in the PayPal account.  Once the meter is in the green the donate button will dissapear.  We don't want to be collecting money when we don't need it!

Oh and if you're thinking who the hell is Travis Jones Associates - it feeds to an unused bank account for my company.
AND only use the donate button on the UKGPL (green) pages not the SROU blue/white pages - unless of course you also want to donate to SROU...

A little surprised to see -50 still on the counter! Especially for the amount we have registered for the pending season.

and yes this is a less than subtle hint!

I hadn't noticed this thread or clicked the fund was for us  :ninja:

Will try to figure out how to chuck some money in  :angel:

Great to have a bump Steve.
TBH not checked paypal for a few days and it relies on me to tell Phil where we are re collections so he can update the meter - now £125 in and fourteen contributed. Thanks guys...

14? that's gotta be way less than half of current membership  >:(


Come on you tight arsed gits , Dig deep , get your hands in yer pockets, let the moths out .

Donate NOWYou know it makes sense  :) :) :)

done  :D

We've now collected £173 (nett of Paypal charges) so our first quarter of £150 is covered plus a bit leftover. 16 donators.
Many thanks guys  :thumbup2:    Donation button now closed - if you missed the boat there's always next quarter...

Look's like there's a opening for some bold entrepreneur to set up say... "PayMate", with Lloyd's or some such!

Well the meter's red but I don't see a PayPal button.  Even if we're in the black I'd like to chip in.

The meter is actually showing +15.  The yellow needle is just in the green  ;)

Because we are in credit the donate button is disabled so you won't be able to contribute in this quarter.  The button will apppear for the next quarter's donations in a couple of months time.

Next quarterly installment of rent for the server is due.  Donate button enabled.  Contributions gratefully received :D

membership renewed

Thanks  :)

Many thanks Bernie - five contributions so far. See the meter for the amount still needed guys.

Same here, thanks again to all those who keep UKGPL running.

Coughed up what I could afford when I saw Phils message earlier. Is there a minimum amount you require per member?

No it is all completely voluntary and all details kept confidential.
We aim to pay £150 per quarter. See Phil's note on page 1 of this thread, we currently have £101.38 nett of fees.

We're only a fiver shy of hitting our target of £150 now, all donations gratefully accepted.

When does the next quarter start - I'm happy to stump up £25

We'd be happy to take any donations now - anything left over will carry over into the next quarter...

OK stumped up...

Many thanks for all the server donations. The second quarterly payment of £150 has been made and we have funds leftover for to go towards the next quarter.

This shows a great spirit within this community. Just out of interest, has anyone made an approach to a dedicated GSP such as wireplay or multiplay? We used to have a thriving GPL community on wireplay and it cost us nothing other than a donation of some old bits of spare hardware. Just an idea...

A 100% dedicated commercial server would be great.
We have that with T7 but it's shared. What we are really on the look out for is another rock solid secondary server.

   

Hi...& sry if it's wrong thread to ask  :-\

I'm about to put a GPL server up and running & I've tried everything (I hope), but I keep getting this error: Glide2x.dll & afterwards Redline.dll
It's on a Windows 2008 Server, I've tried everything from my XP, Vista & Windows 7 where it works with GPL & Vroc...it is impossible in Windows 2008?

Hope there is someone who has a solution, help  ;)

Not sure about Server 2008 but it doesn't run on Server 2003. Or I didn't manage it anyway.

Thanks for your reply, so I'm not the only one having problems with Windows Server versions  :'( ...you might see, I'm at a standstill with ideas for a solution.
Edit:Forgot to tell, GTL & GTR2/PnG runs fine on the 2008 Server

Have you tried running it in compatibility mode for Windows 2000 or XP?

Might be worth another thread. Is there any problem running all of this on a non-server OS. None of the Administration tools are of any use for these kind of connections in any case. The pinch points would be the Net connection and the hard disk/memory subsystems. Bog standard XP or W7 should suffice. No?

Another question. When does the next quarter start and do/should we contribute to the quarterly cost for Simracing.org as well? I believe Vos is in charge of organising that. Is that correct?

We start collecting around about now - will look into it and post something up shortly. As to contributing to simracing.org.uk as well - they won't say no and we do get the use of their site/facilities ex gratia. Our UKGPL collection is purely to contribute towards the cost of our server.

Cheers, Tim. I was aware it was three months but I think last time I clicked on Donate button by the meter which I obviously can't do at the mo. Are you the main man in this?

I'll just clarify SRou and UKGPL's relationship as far as donations go, if I may (well, I'm going to anyway. :P), as I've been asked to do so in a PM.

To put things very simply, there isn't one. :laugh: UKGPL collect costs towards their server, and SRou collect costs towards their server, iRacing hosting and other miscellany as required. There's no overlap between the two.

The web site, database and associated machinery itself is hosted under the auspicies of Gizmo's Gazebo (http://www.davegymer.org/) and I've always paid for this out of my own pocket, my contribution to UKGPL for the many seasons I enjoyed racing amonst you. The only contribution I've ever taken on that side of things is towards the UKGPL.com domain name.

Thanks Dave. Pennies will be forthcoming.

OK then guys time to get the begging bowl out again as we need to raise this quarters payment. Thanks to donations last time round we have a third of it already covered, you can see what we need on the meter above.
Just hit the 'donate' button and contribute what you can, it's not compulsory and all details are kept in confidence.
So all donations gratefully accepted - it allows us to keep the commercial server.

NOTE: Don't forget it's the donate button in the UKGPL forums not the srou one (unless you want to help them out with their server costs too of course).

done  :)

hope I got the decimal in the right place  ;D

I'm more concerned about the minus sign........ ;)

Tim,

Can we avoid Paypal charges by direct transfer?

I'm ready with a pre-Christmas donation...

TBH I'm trying to avoid that - yes they charge a fee but this way it just goes straight into Paypal and straight back out without me having to fiddle about transferring money from anywhere else.
If it is proving a major problem will try to sort something.

yea! minus shut the door on yer way out  :)

Ok - no probs.

T7 servers run on Win 2003 Server. PM me if you want info about running GPL on Win Server.
Ciao

YEAH & Big Thx...server is up & run  ;)

A gentle bump on donations guys. Six contributors so far but a few more would be good. Meter will be updated in due course.

Done, thanks again to the mods and all those who provide servers.

I need to be payed first so don't let me forget  :-[

I've chipped in a few pounds too.....I know, I'm not racing at the moment.......but fairs fair. I've had waaaaay more than 10 quid worth of fun from UKGPL. Send it back if ya don't want it...... ::)

Whats the balance Tim? I'll update the meter.

Don't update it - make the non-contribs sweat...  :laugh:

LOL. Don't want the donors to think they've been ignored.

Set it to -£58 now, getting there.

Last orders please gentleman for anyone wishing to donate.

C'mon ya tight waps , get them wallets out , let all them moths see the light of day  :)

If I'm honest Bernie we haven't updated the fund meter and I think we've cleared it BUT it would be nice to get a wider spread of donators. No amount too small ;)
Anything left over should go a long way to clearing the next quarter. Don't forget we are getting an extra day now and we don't get charged for season breaks even though we still get the use of it.

PS: I am aware some gave a 'generous' chunk early on to cover a longer period...

OK now closed the donation meter. The final total came in at whopping £267.42 thanks to some last minute donations. So, less the £150 payment, we are in credit by £117.42 which will go a long long way towards the next one and take us towards next season.
I have to say I am personally very chuffed as it shows you guys believe in what we are doing and, most importantly, are enjoying your racing.

Anyway a great big hand to you guys - long may UKGPL continue...

What selfish bastard generous soul gave 42p!

Or maybe some one just added there  " 2 pence worth "   ;D

LOL, could not avoid seeing your post, but believe me...there are many who lack money this Christmas  ;D

Perhaps there is someone who is curious what happened to the server I tried putting up in VROC...it works  :laugh:
GEM+ was the solution, start the GEM, set it to OpenGL, press VROC & start dedicated server. Unfortunately it does not work with: Run in Window  :(
I say great thanks for your ideas & help  :thumbup2:...server is called GTLDK in VROC & your are free to try  :D

Back, I forgot to explain with: Run GPL in a window - server can run a single race, but by loop...this happens  :'(
http://www.gt-legends.eu/GPL/Pics/GPLdown.JPG (http://www.gt-legends.dk/GTLDK/attachment.php?attachmentid=2263&d=1291503721)
...& error is the same whether it is on Win 2008 or as shown here on XP.

OK then guys time to get the begging bowl out again as we need to raise this quarters payment. Thanks to lots of donations last time round we only need a small push to make it to £150.
This is excellent value bearing in mind we now have the server on Fridays as well and a second server when needed for Sundays.

Just hit the 'donate' button and contribute what you can, it's not compulsory and all details are kept in confidence. All donations gratefully accepted - it allows us to keep the commercial server. Anything left over will go towards the next payment.

NOTE: Don't forget it's the donate button in the UKGPL forums not the srou one.

I'm in  :)

OK collections done and the payment for Feb to April has been made. We were actually left with a surplus of £76.81. There were eight donators. Great news we are in such a healthy position.
That said we do seem reliant on a relatively small group of regular benefactors, even though we have a potential pool of around forty drivers, so it would be great to see some new faces chipping in next time. Of course we will never make it compulsory and I appreciate some are not in the same financial position as others but all donations, big or small, are gratefully accepted.

Sorry Tim, forgot do this until now, I've added some more to the surplus :)

Hi guys,
Yes it's that time again when we call for donations so we can keep UKGPL healthy.
We need to cover the period from May to July and, with all the new members, I am hopeful we will get a bumper harvest and might even be able to cover the following period.
All donations are of course voluntary and confidential, what they cover is the cost of the servers which we have the use of three nights a week. Dig deep, without your generosity we can't operate.

Just hit the 'donate' button and contribute what you can. Anything left over will go towards the next payment.

NOTE: Don't forget it's the donate button in the UKGPL forums not the srou one. The button should appear shortly.

Just a bump as the 'donate' button is now up.

done  :)

Thanks, as ever, Bernie ;)

Ditto.

Ditto :)

OK guys we are ten days into donations and look healthy BUT, and here's the guilty bit, out of nearly 70 members only 9 have contributed. Come on, even if it's only a few quid, surely all that fun is worth it???
As Winston Churchill once said;
"Never was so much owed by so many to so few"

Come on chip in :wetfish:

Chipped, mashed and boiled...

Considering the amount of time I spend on GPL this is amazingly cheap entertainment! Contribution made.

Even if  'er indoors thinks it is the Devils Spawn?   :angel:

OK guys let's lay it on the level. We have now cleared enough to pay for our server for the next few months.
BUT: out of 11 contributors (from a membership of 70!!!) 7 of those are moderators.
Come on, guilt trip, we put in our free time but do we have to pay for you to race as well?
SUB UP, even a quid is good  :tt1:

Only 4 non moderators eh. So that's Bernie, What I sent was for me & Clutch (but not under the Hance name). Will the other one of four please own up!.
Norm H

Sorry I lopped you two together, there are now three other benefactors you haven't mentioned who are not modders/ex-modders (well one ex-moderator). We had another donation.
I think it would go against the voluntary ethos to name and shame so up to them if they wish to keep their charitable status anonymous.

Personally, whilst it's great we are getting funds (need to update the meter), it's dissapointing that we have such a small spread of donators. As I've said before even a quid helps :punk: To lay on the guilt we worked out, and this is very very approximate, it costs roughly 50p per driver per race so anyone who hasn't pitched in should remember those around them that are funding their fun.

And there I was expecting you to pay me to drive, lol.  ::)

I wish to remain anonymous.

;D ;D ;D

Like MARTIN, I wish to remain an anonymous contributor.

Lame.

Sorry everyone it was not meant to name & shame. Just I remember reading about the spy scandals with the third & fourh man not being named so it was only meant in a light hearted manner.
When this started Phil did a calculation of what was needed so we sent enough for a year but obviously that was not enough based on what is happening. In future we'll be anonymous as well.
Norm H

???

                            You should not feel to blame, nor think yourself too vain,
                            To ply a punter's claim, in hoping funds to gain,
                            For some it seems a strain, unless credit to attain?
                            And it's our Moderator's pain, when money doesn't rain.

      .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .Of coarse, I might be slightly insane, but allow me to complain - it's after 1am folks!  ;D

I take it the gauge is inaccurate? It hasn't moved for weeks!

 ;)

Perhaps it's like a Russian car's gauge?  :D

It's more likely that no-one else has contributed, despite Vos pointing out that moderators past and present are largely footing the bill, with two or three exceptions.

Needs updating and closing off but I just need to transfer some money received via cheque first.

Right - server pay up time again. Donate button is avaialable. If anyone would like to contribute via cheque or brown stuffed envelopes, let me know and I will supply you with my postal address.

Thank you very much to all donors. We have had a pretty good spread this time, which is nice to see.

Won't be hassling you for a while.

Once again a great response guys. Keeps us racing for the next six months. Thank you.

I am in a good mood. I would like to put some money in the pot. Never have before and always felt a bit evil but then, cash is actually slightly less tight these days than in the past.

Am I right in believing that we share servers with another group? We presumably pay them rather than simracing.org.uk? Or not? Tell me how to pay/who to contact and I'll throw some money.

Part of this is due to actually having more fun on GPL than iRacing (despite being less competitive here). Won't be renewing over there when the current season ends, but am about a quarter of an inch from buying rFactor2...

James,

I'm not a spokesperson for UKGPL,  but the 'donate' button will magically appear next to the gauge on the green UKGPL pages when required.  [note: the gauge on the blue pages are for Simracing - although you can still put money in there if you wish!]

The donate button has been deactivated in the past when the balance is healthy.  There will no doubt also be some forum posts when the hat is to be passed around again :)

Happy racing!

Cheers,
Dave.

We are in good funds at the moment James but we will need donations around Easter time probably. We pay for a race server that we can use for our 67, 66, F2 and 65 races. It also gets us a second server on a Sunday - which is nice.

Thanks for the offer.

Hopefully you will notice that the Donate button has come back. Time to pay for the server again and in fact we are overdue, which is entirely my fault.

Please contribute whatever you feel able to but all donations are anonymous so don't feel pressurised.

Having said that, get paying....  :D

2 months since you asked for donations Paul, are we still in the red??

We are pret ;Dty much permanently "in the red"  ;D

So do we all need to make a small donation to "top up" to the funds paul?

That line does not seem to have moved much...  still looks like a big yellow slash.

That's the hint to donate... which I have... and everybody should do so too. ;)

Well, will be interesting if it moves at all since you topped it up ;)

The meter has to be manually updated, as the Paypal account is managed by a person, rather than a robot. ;)

It is actually time for us to donate again (sadly).

Donated but needle not budged. Do I have to tap the glass?

Of course it costs money & time to run a league, but I'm a little curious where all the money disappears to.
In UKGTL, GTR (maybe more), the amount is £220, here in UKGPL £150...in the first post in this thread: The server rental quarterly cost is about £ 300th
Is it possible we could get a glimpse of bills, for it must be presented.  8)

You may have noticed the last posts on this thread were a year ago.  That was when we used to contribute a nominal sum to the T7_2 server.  See here (http://www.team7racing.net/english/index_eng.html) under the server tab. Unfortunately the T7_2 server was attacked by hackers and became unreliable and the T7 Team haven't been very active recently.

For this season we are relying servers owned by our members who kindly let us use them for free (Badblood - UKGPL3, Cookie - UKGPL8 and Jethro - UKGPL9).  So as far as I know we haven't spent anything on servers for a while.

We don't use the UKGPL donate button to contribute to SRou (SimRacing.org.uk) which is the parent website for UKGPL (owned and run by Dave Gymer).  But there is nothing to stop UKGPL drivers donating something for the maintenance of SimRacing.org.uk via the SRou donate button.  The SRou donate button is mainly used to fund the servers for UKGTL and UKGTR etc.

Hope that helps :)

Thanks for reply & sry, no I had not seen the last post was a year old, my mistake.
...but, UKGPL still have expenses for £150 in donate.

I'm a bit confused now ?
£150 is only for UKGPL
£220 is only UKGTL
£220 is only UKGTR
...& It continues PnG...& maybe more, a lot of money.

Cost of Simple Machines Forum is free & is at Arvixe, $4 monthly x3=$12
All clubs have an expense, but members must have insight into accounting, it would make it easier for everyone to donate when they know what the money is used for.

GTL, P&G, GTR2 & AC all use the same server services which is what the £220 is for.

I've reset the meter to show zero balance and zero Quarterly cost.  To be honest I don't know how much is in the fund.  It can't be in debt because it is not a bank account (it is a paypal account) but there can be unpaid bills pending.  Only Badblood and Vosblod know how much is in the fund and how much we owe.  Unfortunately Vosblod has been absent from the forums for some time and Badblood has been very quiet recently (we all have real lives which sometimes gets in the way of simracing).  But I'd be surprised if we owe anything as we haven't used the T7-2 server for quite a while.

Setting the balance to zero has the effect of removing the Donate button.  If there is nothing to pay there is no need to donate. That doesn't mean there are not costs involved in running the league.  But at the moment any costs are being covered by the organizers.

So don't worry about the funds for now, just enjoy the best racing simulation available and all for free ;). 

If we need some funds to pay for the domain name registration (www.ukgpl.com) or if we need a commercial server, I'm sure the members will be asked to contribute.

Thanks for confirming that Tony.

It still doesn't answer my questions about which expences there really are. It seems like that nobody knows about which expences there even are.

This sentence is a bit funny. The money is received on a PayPal account, but nobody knows how much money there is. As far as I know a PayPal account is very accessible. How do you know that the quaterly cost still is in red?

It strikes me a bit odd, kind of like a fraud, and ridicules all of the members.

The bosses have fled, the persons who know about the accounting have fled...perhaps they are laughing on Ibiza.  ;D

I am shure Chief Paul "Badblood" knows all about it, but he is (due to RL) very seldom onboard ATM.

I am fairly new here. So I do not have any answers, but I do not think that the donations have ever exceeded the expenses.  

What exactly has promted you to suggest fraud?

We are talking here about Paul "you could rarely come across a better bloke you might never meet" Whitfied or as he is better known BadBlood.

Your suggestions, if not meant in jest, are a little wild to say the least. For the pittance that I have donated over the years to race here under the guidance of the honourable Mr Whitfied and co, I have no complaints whatsoever and am amazed at how much I get for so little.

I believe some of the detail is already covered within this thread, however presently, as Phil has already stated, there are no real ongoing costs due to the kindness and goodwill of some members who provide servers free of charge for us to race and host on.

Servers: free, and as long as I have one (UKGPL9) I will continue to make it available freely to UKGPL to host races on.

Website domain: the domain ukgpl.com and website is hosted by Dave "Gizmo" Gymer (aka SRou's top brass), whom I understand does so in thanks to the time that he spent with UKGPL. As part of that arrangement we are under simracing.org.uk for league administration, this is why "Hosted by DaveGymer.com" is at the bottom of all sections of SRou.

The website: the code is primarily managed by Badblood and Phil due to their experience with the underlying code structure (I believe this is PHP but they know best, so don't take that as gospel). Some of the content was recently updated to be more current, but it integrates nicely into SRou events on ukgpl.com and links to ukgpl.com nicely under the UKGPL banner on SRou. Dave Gymer hosts this alongside SRou.

The forums: hosted by SRou, see above.

The paypal account was managed by Vosblod, whom is not really active any more, but still occasionally stops by. The original quarterly cost was based on shared usage of Team7's GPL server hosted by Gamesclan, however last year it developed a misfire as it came under attack (Denial of Service attempt) and had to be retired from usage in 2014. As a result, we rely on UKGPL3 (BadBlood), UKGPL8 (Cookie) and UKGPL9 (Turkey Machine) for race hosting. For now, UKGPL8 and UKGPL9 are the go-to servers for race hosting. UKGPL3 hasn't yet been tested with 60fps and BadBlood has real life commitments that prevent him from being around as often as he would like.

In terms of ongoing costs, realistically there are none. UKGPL relies on donations and race participation for survival. This is a hobby after all! I contribute my time and resource because I want to, and those on the moderation side do so because they want to.

I hope that clears this up. There is nothing stopping UKGPL members contributing directly to SRou's fund if they would like to (e.g. a fiver per member per annum) but there is no obligation to do so.

can i submit some german euros without using paypal ?

What are German Euros  ???

I thought Euros was the same currency for 19 european countries (+6 other states : Monaco, Andorra, San Marino ...) but I was not aware there was "German" Euros  :o

Yeah David  ;D

Look at the backside of the coins then you can see the country ::)

So, Bastian will send only coins, and only German coins !

I am OK if he'll send me coins from other countries
...even from Monaco  :D

(https://www.metaux-precieux.fr/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_20-Euro-Monaco-2002-k_69cedc65e2.jpg)

yeah, just fun...anyway, whats the best way without paypal and how much is suitable for the year ?

The servers are atm private servers, so no cost for UKGPL  ;)

Lot of thanks to people sharing their servers for us  :thumbup1:
I think Axel is one of them.

We can be very happy and thankful for the free servers. In particular Axel who hosts most of the UKGPL races, but also Jethro and Phil. Besides that everything is voluntary work. In a way it's great not having to depend on donations ;)

Yet we are a  part of simracing.org.uk who hosts our forum and database. One can always donate at https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=754.0