GTL Car Classes - For Reference
NevRichard:
After extensive testing I can confirm the following facts:-
TC65
The Abarth and the Jag Mk2 are the slowest here, and about the same pace as each other.
The Mini is next, a couple of seconds a lap quicker on most tracks.
The Cortina, Alfa, Mustang and Falcon are the quick boys, with a very small advantage going to the Alfa over the Cortina, and the Falcon over the Mustang.
GTC65
Haven't tested all of these yet, but here is what I have tested:
The Lotus Elite is the slowest car here - similar pace to the Abarth.
The Alpine, Healey, 300 SL and GT350 are next.
The quickest cars in the group are the Cobra, GT40 and TVR.
TC76
The slowest cars here are the 914, the Capri 2600 and the Escort.
The quickest cars are the Pantera, the 906 and the 911. The rest are all nearly as quick as these three.
greg130:
As an experiment I have done a some laps at Donington National in all the cars, just to see how they compare to each other.
This is not a 'look how quick I am' as all the laps were done with minimal tweaks to the default setup and just the one or two clean laps, apart from the GT40 as I wanted to see if it really could compete with the 76 cars.
With this in mind these laps are nothing special and easily beaten, however I do consider them to be a fair reflection of each cars ability and how easy they are (or not) to just pick up and drive for the average driver.
I tried to be as fast as possible in every car however I did find some cars a lot harder to drive than others (AC Cobra for example)
Anyway the laps are below :
Lap Time GTL Rank Benchmark Comparison
FORD CAPRI RS GTC76 01:16.896 - 00:01.103
PORSCHE 906 GTC76 01:18.431 00:00.431
PORSCHE 911 RSR GTC76 01:18.695 00:00.695
BMW CSL GTC76 01:18.875 00:00.875
DETOMASO PANTERA GTC76 01:19.554 00:01.554
FORD ESCORT RS GTC76 01:19.557 00:01.557
FORD GT40 GTC65 01:19.945 - 00:01.054
PORSCHE 914-6 GTC76 01:20.132 00:02.132
CHEVROLET CORVETTE GTC76 01:20.928 00:02.928
LOTUS ELAN 26R GTC65 01:22.031 00:01.031
SHELBY DAYTONA COUPE GTC65 01:22.695 00:01.695
AC COBRA GTC65 01:22.972 00:01.972
TVR GRIFFITH 400 GTC65 01:23.095 00:02.095
JAGUAR E-TYPE GTC65 01:25.287 00:04.287
AUSTIN HEALEY 3000 GTC65 01:25.591 00:04.591
MERCEDES 300SL GTC65 01:25.914 00:04.914
FERRARI 275 GTB/C GTC65 01:26.014 00:05.014
RENAULT ALPINE A110 GTC65 01:26.137 00:05.137
SHELBY GT350 GTC65 01:26.521 00:05.521
FORD FALCON TC65 01:27.750 00:01.750
ALFA ROMEO GTA TC65 01:27.903 00:01.903
LOTUS CORTINA TC65 01:28.447 00:02.403
AUSTIN MINI COOPER S TC65 01:28.515 00:02.515
FORD MUSTANG TC65 01:28.575 00:02.575
LOTUS ELITE GTC65 01:29.583 00:08.583
JAGUAR MKII TC65 01:31.285 00:05.285
ABARTH 1000TC TC65 01:32.845 00:06.845
Obviously there has been a fair amount of debate as to which class certain cars belong in, hopefully this will help us to to decide. It would be interesting if some other guys could do the same at different tracks to get a more accurate picture.
Anyway what can we draw from these times ?
I'm not very fast.
The GT40 is fast but no match for the majority of 76 cars.
The Elite would be more at home in the TC65 class.
Hope this helps guys.
Jeffrey:
What an effort Greg, well done :o.
I think the same about the Elite, I test drove it for the league once and it was so slow, that I was faster in an Alfa :-\.
The GT40 is a bigger problem. I could compete with GTC76 cars at Dijon once, but on other tracks it won't be very competitive i guess. Not the power that will lack, but the handling in the GTC76 is, in average a bit more stable (more advanced).
The Shelby GT350 is just a pimped Mustang, so that one hangs between the two lower classes.
The rest is not a big surprise. The Corvette has tracks to shine on, same as the Pantera. And I think you like the Capri best, because I don't think it's the "best" car (here we go again :P) in it's class.
Very good post, should help alot.
(Now do all the other tracks in all the cars and report back in 75 years ;D)
greg130:
Quote from: Ruskus on February 02, 2006, 06:45:07 PM +0000
(Now do all the other tracks in all the cars and report back in 75 years ;D)
No chance mate ;D, to be honest it only took a few hours spread over 3 nights, no big deal.
I agree on the GT40 issue, tough decision. Initially it appears too quick for the other cars but you have to remember that the fastest car is not always the most competetive.
In GTR I was always faster in the Saleen but found out the hard way that its a poor choice for racing due to its tyre wear and fuel consumption. The same can be said of the Lambo, great car, real fast but boy does it drink the juice, bit like the GT40 in that respect.
I think out of the 3 races so far its a fair indication of the GT40's capabilities, not many people have chosen it and it is yet to win a race. Sure its fast on the big long straights, seems to handle ok but certainly not the easiest or most fun car to drive. Last night 4 GT40's started the race and only the 1 finished, not particularily good statistics. It would make an interesting experimant to see a lot more 40's in a single race and see how people got on with it.
Anyway, come on guys who else wants to put a comparison up, perhaps one at a long track like Monza and one at somewhere twisty like Mondello.
Paul968:
On the subject of the GT-40:
You can't judge anything on how many people have driven it - Some don't have it, some want to try other cars, season 0 is not so important and so people will be less keen to take quick cars (like me) and many will feel they haven't had time to learn it. A proper season is a totally different kettle of fish though.
Look at your times at Donington Greg - You are 3 SECONDS faster than any other car in the GT-40. Doesn't that tell you something? 3 seconds is an age in one lap! Yes, it's tricky on the limit, but drive it just below and it is very hard to match (let alone overtake, and this is a key). Even on a track which should suit it least it was clearly the fastest, and would have won if Ruskas had put in enough fuel. There were no GT40s at Anderstorp and driver skill outweighed car choice at Dijon - even then the GT40s dominated the minor places.
I agree with the other Elan drivers about it not being the soft option at Mondello. I was having to drive every corner on the ragged edge just to keep up and spun several times as a result. Beating a 1.02 in the Elan is not easy. I went out in the GT40 after and was under 1.01 within 10 laps. I'd be interested to know what is a good time for you at Modello is in a Lotus btw? Have you tried competing with a GT40 in a lesser car? It is an exercise in frustration unless you can get ahead, but the GT40 can take chances in qual so that's unlikely.
The point of all this is that IMO we want to avoid the situation where one car spoils what would otherwise be a fair fight. If people feel obliged to take the GT40 because their main competition are then it will be a sad day for the league. The other powerful cars take real skill to drive quickly - I don't believe this is true of the GT40 and is the reason I'd rather see it moved out of the GTC class.
Paul
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