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« on: November 12, 2012, 01:15:14 PM +0000 »

FYI and perhaps to help with organising any potential upcoming seasons or events  Smiley

Plenty of info on tracks and cars entered, even with laptimes!  Dpending on which race and year there is some mouth watering machinery to race against when you click on the Touring car and euro gt headings.  Cool

http://touringcarracing.net/Pages/1970%20ETCC.html

http://touringcarracing.net/

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2012, 05:39:12 PM +0000 »

nice!!
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2012, 12:08:53 PM +0000 »

Just remembered another thing to add to the 70's flavour, there is a whole series of 70's tracks available that were created for the f1 79 mod a while back Smiley
This could give us a ready made championship circuit line up set at the correct period in time.

As an example, how's this for a world series:-

Silverstone 79
Kyalami 79
Osterreich
Interlagos 79
Zaandvort 79
Rouen les essart 70
Fuji 70
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Can be tweaked as necessary for euro gt or rounds replaced with say Watkins glen 79 etc
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2012, 05:35:52 PM +0000 »

Just remembered another thing to add to the 70's flavour, there is a whole series of 70's tracks available that were created for the f1 79 mod a while back Smiley
This could give us a ready made championship circuit line up set at the correct period in time.

As an example, how's this for a world series:-

Silverstone 79
Kyalami 79
Osterreich
Interlagos 79
Zaandvort 79
Rouen les essart 70
Fuji 70
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Can be tweaked as necessary for euro gt or rounds replaced with say Watkins glen 79 etc

I would add just GPC Dijon-Preois to the list Mark. It's an absolutely cracking track!  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2012, 11:47:37 AM +0000 »

where do i sign up?

tried every 911 now, all great. Mustang Boss is insanely quick in a straight-line and tolerable braking and handling. Mini's are amazing, Capri is quick but agricultural, BMW CSL is best all-rounder!!!

none of which helps decide what class and/or combination of cars we could run? I think CSL's and 911's in the same class would be unfair
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2012, 05:54:37 PM +0000 »

With the exception of the IMSA CSL I've managed to get the RSR and 'big' CSL to within tenths. If we're to try and run handicapping then I see no issues  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2012, 10:45:32 PM +0000 »

Period track list for pg3

http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=3834

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2012, 02:16:28 PM +0000 »

With the exception of the IMSA CSL I've managed to get the RSR and 'big' CSL to within tenths. If we're to try and run handicapping then I see no issues  Smiley

try Enna then ;-)
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2012, 11:26:55 AM +0000 »

With the exception of the IMSA CSL I've managed to get the RSR and 'big' CSL to within tenths. If we're to try and run handicapping then I see no issues  Smiley

try Enna then ;-)

Power tracks will give the CSL too bigger advantage i think

http://78.46.95.57/webpub/GCPnGV3PUB_LapStats.html

Chances are we won't race Enna, although I do enjoy it, but under the '03 Enna stats i jumped in the CSL and went 3 secs quicker to my RSR time. And I pretty much live in the RSR atm
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2012, 12:40:38 PM +0000 »

Is that the 24v CSL only though Andy? Could always block use of that and make peeps use the less powerful 12?v  Same could apply to the 3.0RSR if found to be too dominant, as can use the sprightly 2.8 version, though expect the 3.0 is a good match with capri 3.1 and CSL's.
(edit: actually looking at those tables its the capri 3.1 and CSL 24v 3.5 that dominate most tracks!)

As much as its great seeing the whole range of cars on track, its pointless allowing one that is obviously more dominant, as knowing the pattern in sim racing, 90% of drivers will jump in the glory hunter  Roll Eyes rather than cars they actually like.

An american league over at r2p is currently conducting their own set of tests with all the 70's cars in prep for an upcoming series. Will see if their data is openly available.

Tracks wise, going through my locations folder on p&g2.1 there are so many mega tracks to choose from. I think making full use of the VLM set of tracks would be a good idea as they are superbly detailed versions and that gives you at least Fuji, Sebring, Mid-ohio and Le Mans (xmas special anyone?!)  But still think you cant go too wrong using the proper track list from the 70's GT european series as per the links i posted earlier. We even have a 70's Monza and silverstone to use.  Cool
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2012, 01:39:45 PM +0000 »

Is that the 24v CSL only though Andy? Could always block use of that and make peeps use the less powerful 12?v  Same could apply to the 3.0RSR if found to be too dominant, as can use the sprightly 2.8 version, though expect the 3.0 is a good match with capri 3.1 and CSL's.
(edit: actually looking at those tables its the capri 3.1 and CSL 24v 3.5 that dominate most tracks!)

As much as its great seeing the whole range of cars on track, its pointless allowing one that is obviously more dominant, as knowing the pattern in sim racing, 90% of drivers will jump in the glory hunter  Roll Eyes rather than cars they actually like.

An american league over at r2p is currently conducting their own set of tests with all the 70's cars in prep for an upcoming series. Will see if their data is openly available.

Tracks wise, going through my locations folder on p&g2.1 there are so many mega tracks to choose from. I think making full use of the VLM set of tracks would be a good idea as they are superbly detailed versions and that gives you at least Fuji, Sebring, Mid-ohio and Le Mans (xmas special anyone?!)  But still think you cant go too wrong using the proper track list from the 70's GT european series as per the links i posted earlier. We even have a 70's Monza and silverstone to use.  Cool

The BMW 24v, got 4 different engines power and different weights for every model.

BMW Motorsport GmbH: Hp = 431 - Max Torque = 294 (1180 Kg n°001/1190 Kg n°002)
Schnitzer: Hp = 478 - Max torque 302
Faltz-alpina essen: Hp = 425 n°002/420 n°003 - Max torque = 292 (1170 kg)
Herve Poulain: Hp = 425 - Max torque = 292  (1130 Kg)

If you eliminate the Schnitzer, that will be surely better, even if Capri 3100 got 444 Hp and some kg less than all the other BM" 24v models. The Schnitzer, by my experience, is always slightly faster than the 3100, especially in max speed. In a circuit like Montreal, I bet that the 911 3.0 should be easily overclassed by the other 2 cars.

Just another thing Mark. The dominant car for the race at Adelaide, was not the Alfa, that was at least 1.5 second slower than the Escort 1600. If you encourage the faster drivers to take the slower car, it's not a matter. Maybe we need some Legzy tokens again Wink

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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2012, 05:05:32 PM +0000 »

Is that the 24v CSL only though Andy? Could always block use of that and make peeps use the less powerful 12?v  Same could apply to the 3.0RSR if found to be too dominant, as can use the sprightly 2.8 version, though expect the 3.0 is a good match with capri 3.1 and CSL's.
(edit: actually looking at those tables its the capri 3.1 and CSL 24v 3.5 that dominate most tracks!)

Yes, the IMSA version with a wider rear track. I can match most of my CSL times in the Capri as well. I know they are in a different group but judging from that website link you posted at the top of this thread they competed in the States a lot with RSR's http://touringcarracing.net/Races/1975%20Mid-Ohio.html

I think the 2.8 RSR might be the best option leaving the Capri's/BMWs in the class above (or block them but that might be a shame) as the 3.0RSR is in no-mans land perfomance wise

I bet that the 911 3.0 should be easily overclassed by the other 2 cars.

Yeah, any 24V one looks too powerful!
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2012, 07:34:40 PM +0000 »


Yes, the IMSA version with a wider rear track. I can match most of my CSL times in the Capri as well. I know they are in a different group but judging from that website link you posted at the top of this thread they competed in the States a lot with RSR's http://touringcarracing.net/Races/1975%20Mid-Ohio.html


The times you posted shows that the CSL was the BMW of North America skin, and just comparing the Fastest lap in race, with the qualifying time of the 1st classified Porsche, there's a difference of 1 second approximately in advantage of the BMW. I can't figure which was the racing advantage for the Porsche in that race, cause that should be due to a good number of reasons. What is sure, is that the BMW was faster, even in a circuit like mid-ohio, that is mainly a "driven" track.

I'm sure that it's possible to find a track in which the BMW 24v/Capri 3100 and the 3.0 Porsche could compete together, but in the case of the BMW 24v (not IMSA) Schnitzer, that become more difficult in a track like Melbourne, cause there's a big engine difference in acceleration and max speed. In a circuit like Monza, Schnitzer BMW 24v, it's probably faster even than the BMW of North america CSL IMSA... if well driven Wink
If Jon will have some time to spare, it could be good to read his opinion about this, and even some laptimes to compare. I would be poorly reliable with the thrustmaster F430 to compare these cars.
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2012, 07:55:00 PM +0000 »

Well this does say it all really

http://78.46.95.57/webpub/GCPnGV3PUB_LapStats.html
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2012, 08:21:56 PM +0000 »

What does it really says for you? In the link you posted, I see only a list of time in which the first cars are all Capri, and the leader of that classification is "Alan Coccovillo", an italian driver that I know very well on track. If you're talking about that classification, and the leader is Alan Coccovillo, I can say to you that there is something wrong Grin Grin He isn't slow, but surely not the fastest!

At which track are you watching Andy?
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