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March 12, 2017, 09:37:55 PM +0000 - Zandvoort (1948-72) - UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Works (67)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.416
110.248mph
1 50:26.387
108.500mph
35 1:25.490
109.742mph
Firestone  
roo
 Team Groundhog
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 6 +1.254
109.173mph
2 +20.578
107.767mph
35 1:25.587
109.617mph
Firestone  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +0.560
110.062mph
3 +33.013
107.329mph
35 1:25.609
109.589mph
Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +0.621
109.983mph
4 +33.981
107.295mph
35 1:25.214
110.097mph
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +1.644
108.680mph
5 +41.715
107.025mph
35 1:25.785
109.364mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +1.641
108.684mph
6 +51.045
106.700mph
35 1:26.054
109.022mph
Firestone  
GregT
 Team Baarf
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +1.689
108.623mph
7 +57.902
106.463mph
35 1:26.292
108.722mph
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 7 +1.341
109.063mph
8 +1L
105.317mph
34 1:26.322
108.684mph
Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Honda RA300 F1 1967 11 +2.795
107.250mph
9 +6.043
105.108mph
34 1:27.622
107.071mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 14 +3.205
106.750mph
10 +25.237
104.447mph
34 1:28.068
106.529mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 17 +3.695
106.158mph
11 +49.896
103.611mph
34 1:28.379
106.154mph
Firestone  
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 +3.056
106.931mph
12 +1:01.048
103.237mph
34 1:27.039
107.789mph
Firestone  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 18 +3.788
106.046mph
13 +1:10.337
102.927mph
34 1:28.843
105.600mph
Firestone  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 16 +3.688
106.166mph
14 +2L
100.945mph
33 1:28.357
106.181mph
Goodyear  
MagicArsouille
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:24.681
110.790mph
15 +3L
107.798mph
32 1:25.098
110.247mph
Goodyear  
Pelle_B
 TEAM-GTLDK
Honda RA300 F1 1967 5 +0.659
109.934mph
16 +4L
105.953mph
31 1:25.209
110.103mph
Disco
Firestone  
Oly9
 Drake Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 15 +3.410
106.501mph
17 +20L
99.637mph
15 1:28.730
105.734mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Honda RA300 F1 1967 13 +3.131
106.840mph
18 +35L
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Disco
Firestone  
Oly9
 Drake Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 19 DNS ---
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Firestone  
9 UKGPL
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 19 20 ---
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Firestone  

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A win for Sam in the Ferrari. Roo was dropped by the server on Lap 1. His position is reinstated to second place, ahead of Jonny O.


Server replay time: 0h19m39s

Syd had lost control in the preceding corner & spins across the track. Tristan is leading the race (about to lap Syd) but can\'t avoid contact with Syd\'s car.


Server replay time: 0h48m16s

Later in the race, Tristan is now in 2nd place & looking to lap Syd.Tristan is buzzing around in Syd\\\\\\\'s mirrors from Tarzan until Pulleveldt - half a lap or so. Replay mode does not appear to show blue flags, we must assume they were being waved. The leading cars expect not to get held up for a couple of corners. There are no easy places to give way, maybe after Hugenloltz? Tristan is obviously frustrated & makes a move in Pulleveldt, hitting Syd & ending his own race. Tristan would have passed easily on the straight, so a few seconds patience would have helped.
The rules on blue flags are below,

Deliberately Ignoring Blue Flags: Penalty 2 places
1.The lapped driver clearly ignored the blue flags on several occasions. Good opportunities to let the lapping driver through were ignored. The lapping driver had not been lost by the server (hence blue flags and pit board signals were valid). The lapped driver should have reasonably expected another car to be behind and much quicker at this stage in the race.

Ignoring Blue Flags: Penalty 1 place
1.The lapped driver clearly ignored the blue flags on several occasions. Good opportunities to let the lapping driver through were ignored. The lapping driver had not been lost by the server (hence blue flags and pit board signals were valid). The lapped driver may not have expected another car to be behind and much quicker at this stage in the race.

Both drivers could be awarded an penalty (ignoring blue flags, rear end shunt)but there were mitigating circumstances. A little more co-operation &/or patience would have spared both drivers a costly incident. Having debated with other moderators it is decided

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« on: March 10, 2017, 10:45:40 PM +0000 »

Season 31 Works Trophy – Round 2 –  Zandvoort

To commemorate the 50th anniversary of the 1967 season, the UKGPL season will take place on 10 of the 11 original circuits. For the third round of the season we go to Circuit Park Zandvoort in the Netherlands. On 7 August 1948, the first race was held on the new permanent Zandvoort circuit. Soon more races followed on the course, with the first official Formula 1 Grand Prix becoming a milestone in 1952. Up until the mid-eighties, heroes like Alberto Ascari, Juan Manuel Fangio, Stirling Moss, Graham Hill, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, James Hunt, Nelson Piquet and Alain Prost braved the challenging course in the Dutch dunes and won at Zandvoort. After the Grand Prix of 1985, the Formula 1 left Zandvoort, but the seaside resort and its impressive race track were not forgotten. Many years after the last Grand Prix, the ‘racing drivers of the day’ still talk about their experience on the race track where the challenging corners ‘separated the men from the boys’..

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_9
IP = see iGOR
Race date = Sunday 12-03-2017
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus Original
Race length = 35 Laps (50 minutes)
Variant = 1967
60fps patch used   = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 30-45 minutes

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Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

This Season we don't have a Red Zone. Moderating will be on reported incidents only. If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

The chassis token system is explained on the Works standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2017, 02:29:24 PM +0000 »

I need a bit of help calculating points for car choices.
Before this race I have 15 tokens. For starting this race I will get 10 tokens. But for a car choice for this race, do I have 15 tokens or 25 tokens? For example can I chose Lotus for this race or not?
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2017, 03:01:55 PM +0000 »

Yes with 25 points you can choose the Lotus
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2017, 07:32:11 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2017, 11:59:02 AM +0000 »

I need a bit of help calculating points for car choices.
Before this race I have 15 tokens. For starting this race I will get 10 tokens. But for a car choice for this race, do I have 15 tokens or 25 tokens? For example can I chose Lotus for this race or not?

Syd: When making your car choice you include the points you already have saved up and the points you will receive in the race at hand.
So even if you have 0 points before the race you can still take anything up to and including the BT24 on the day. The only proviso as I understand it is that you must START the race to receive the extra 10 points in 'starting money'.

I'm debating whether to take a Waza for this round in respect to Surtees, although I've already planned out my chassis choices for the season and don't have many choices to switch at this stage...
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2017, 08:22:26 PM +0000 »

Sadly have to skip my homerace, have a good one all!  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2017, 08:48:35 PM +0000 »

I need a bit of help calculating points for car choices.
Before this race I have 15 tokens. For starting this race I will get 10 tokens. But for a car choice for this race, do I have 15 tokens or 25 tokens? For example can I chose Lotus for this race or not?

Syd: When making your car choice you include the points you already have saved up and the points you will receive in the race at hand.
So even if you have 0 points before the race you can still take anything up to and including the BT24 on the day. The only proviso as I understand it is that you must START the race to receive the extra 10 points in 'starting money'.

I'm debating whether to take a Waza for this round in respect to Surtees, although I've already planned out my chassis choices for the season and don't have many choices to switch at this stage...

Thanks. That clears it up.
I'll probably take the BRM to accumulate points for races I feel I have a better chance for a good result Smiley.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2017, 10:43:28 PM +0000 »

Phew I am beat. That was an extremely enjoyable race. I've never really got on top of Zandvoort, but this race I feel as though I gave it the best I probably could ever do  Smiley.

Managed to qualify 2nd on the grid and survived the first lap to hold 2nd place. Tristan seemed more confident on cold tyres (then again most racers do compared to me!  Roll Eyes) and pulled an early gap of a few seconds. Johnny O' was all over my gearbox in the early laps, until he made an error at the last turn leaving me to attempt to catch Tristan.

In the first half, he was pulling away slightly until about half-race distance. I think Tris must have made an error, as suddenly I gained 5 seconds in a lap and was within striking distance. The sight of the leader spurred me on, as I upped my pace to catch and eventually pass into Tarzan. Unusually for me, I was able to sustain my pace after passing Tris and pulled out a cushion and only a quick 360 at Tarzan one lap dented my momentum. By the end of it all, I won with a reasonable buffer to 2nd place which is a race occurrence for me and the Works trophy  Smiley.

Very happy to have won after a poor start to the season. I was lucky with Pelle & Tim's misfortune early on but I'll take it  Grin. Congrats to all finishers.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2017, 10:47:37 PM +0000 »

Somehow I've done 1m24s in the Lotus here, but I could not get anywhere close to that in practice, so settled on a decent race setup that was predictable. What was not predictable was the frame-skipping that I had out of T1 and round Hugenholtz. The start was OK, somehow I ended up 3rd, and then promptly threw it away two corners later. Sam probably did me a favour putting me a lap down!
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2017, 11:02:51 PM +0000 »

I think leaders need to show a bit more patience when lapping, especially at a difficult to pass track like Zandvoort. I got hit 3-4 times by leaders that were trying to pass me as soon as they came up behind me, in places the overtaking can not be done. I can't make my car disappear, wait a few corners. I lost probably up to a minute recovering from being bumped of the track. Once was for position as well.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2017, 11:17:11 PM +0000 »

Got knocked off by Jethro in T1 and re-joined dead last - thought I'd done fairly well to get back up to 3rd and only 30 secs off Sam - but it looks like Roo was actually 2nd as the server had dropped him, so I finished where I started..

That was a hard one! Well done to Sam, Roo and Jonny-o.
Well done also to the finishers and bad luck to all the DNF's
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2017, 11:22:14 PM +0000 »

Replay is up in the usual place here.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2017, 01:24:20 AM +0000 »

Congrats Sam, Roo, and Jonny! Nice drive by Tim to work his way back through most of the field.

Qualifying was an adventure. I kept surprising myself with how early I needed to brake for Tarzanbocht. I also spent way too much time countersteering. I had myself a little worried. I finally started running some smooth laps. If I was comfortable with the car, I might have gone out for a 3rd stint to see if I could break into the 25s. But I was glad I didn't qualify in front of Bob or Dean. I wasn't up to the task of trying to stay in front of them in the race. That also would have put them in jeopardy when I screwed up, which I likely would have done.

I was in good shape early in the race. A few cars had fallen back and I wasn't far behind Bob and Dean. I should have been a little more patient. I pushed a little too much trying to keep up. I dropped a wheel off the track after Jan de Wyker and ended up coming to stop on the dunes. It was excruciating watching all those cars pass as I waited for the track to clear.

I was fairly consistent if I didn't try to push into the 26s early in the race. Every time I tried to gain a few tenths I started sliding around so much I lost more time. At a few points I got too conservative and let Pelle or Jethro gain too much on me. That complacency never lasted long. They kept me on my toes most of the time. At least 3 of my fastest sector times were set with Pelle or Jethro not far behind me.

Sorry about that spin Doni. I hope I didn't slow you much. Doni opened the door for Pelle before Tunnel Oost. When he didn't appear he was going to close it, I decided I'm going through too. That wasn't a wise decision. I didn't want to cut Doni off so I tried to leave some room on the inside. That was an exciting spin. I'm glad Doni and Jethro didn't appear to have much trouble passing me.

I got lucky Pelle and Jethro weren't very consistent. Bob and Dean may have been lucky that my consistency was lacking at a few points.

Thanks Colin for letting me pass so easily. It was nice to get a chance to see if I could gain some on the cars in front of me.

It's good to see Bob finish.

That was a lot of fun. Other than the two spins and some distractions at home late in the race, I drove a good race.

Thanks guys. I'm looking forward to the next one.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2017, 03:44:17 AM +0000 »

Big Grats SB, JO & TM  thumbup2

T1 lap 1: Incredibly unfortunate, Jonny hits curbe goes halfway into the grass & come back. I know you did everything you could to save it, but an accident of warp & I get pushed up on the grass.  Cry
I don't know what else happens, but another car comes up to me on the grass & we keep picnic party Grin

A little rusty on this track (little embarrassing in an Org track & one of my favorites) but whatever little scratches on the car, it began to run really fast...a little too fast in my fight to get back to the top. Shocked

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I think we are more still await what you have to say & especially what you have to say for the race today Tongue

Ohh, my own race today...it ended up on the head, all by myself Cheesy

Thx all for a fun day at Zandy  thumbup1
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2017, 08:08:07 AM +0000 »

I was happy with 6th on the grid. Some way from my pb but I haven't run here in 67's for a while & re-acquainting myself with the Lotus was not as simple as I imagined.

Lost a place off the line to Jethro as I backed of a bit to not run into Tim who seemed to bog down. I feel lucky to have avoided the T1 bumps in front of me, lost a place to Bob in the process but really pleased to be still in it Cheesy
I hassled Bob for 10 laps or so trying to size him up, finally making a move stick into Tarzan. Unfortunately Bob spun exiting the corner. This gave me breathing space & I settled in to count off the laps.

Around half distance I suddenly found all the drivers on the list go red & I was suddenly 11th or something having been sure I was 3rd just a moment ago. I guessed I had been dropped by the server but I was still showing as classified which seemed odd. I spent some time trying to keep concentration whilst trying to figure out how it was going to appear to the cars I was about to lap, would they consider I was fighting for position after a spin? Probably. Mostly it went ok, I tried to make clear moves into Tarzan to pass.
I did have an incident with Syd, sorry about that, but it was a warp contact when I thought you left the door open between Tunnel Oost & Panoramabocht.

As I didn't know what position I was really in, I just kept my head down until the flag & was sure I hadn't let anyone pass me for position. So 2nd is a nice surprise (assuming the admins agree & correct the standings?).

Grats to everyone, a strong finishing field Smiley
Thanks admins for hosting & organizing & may I ask for a result review please Smiley

edit: replay links aren't working for me. main one goes nowhere, one posted by turkey machine asks for login.
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