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May 21, 2017, 09:39:12 PM +0100 - Mont-Tremblant - UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1F (Climax) F1 1966 3 +0.530
95.151mph
1 50:55.853
93.700mph
30 1:40.420
95.045mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (BRM V8) F1 1966 9 +2.702
93.135mph
2 +23.632
92.981mph
30 1:40.699
94.782mph
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 5 +1.935
93.837mph
3 (+1) +55.404
92.031mph
30 1:42.249
93.345mph
Firestone  
AndyL
 
BRM P261 (1966) F1 1966 7 +2.446
93.368mph
4 +1:01.765
91.844mph
30 1:42.660
92.971mph
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 10 +3.341
92.558mph
5 +1:05.064
91.746mph
30 1:42.847
92.802mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 11 +4.772
91.291mph
6 +1L
90.423mph
29 1:43.017
92.649mph
Goodyear  
bagrupp
 Team Groundhog
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 12 +5.350
90.789mph
7 +1.053
90.392mph
29 1:42.198
93.392mph
Goodyear  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 13 +5.466
90.689mph
8 +41.517
89.213mph
29 1:44.223
91.577mph
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 16 +7.920
88.622mph
9 +54.689
88.836mph
29 1:43.877
91.882mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 15 +6.513
89.795mph
10 +1:06.852
88.491mph
29 1:44.546
91.294mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P261 (1966) F1 1966 14 +5.698
90.489mph
11 +3L
91.655mph
27 1:41.910
93.656mph
Goodyear  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Eagle T1F (Climax) F1 1966 4 +1.425
94.310mph
12 +15L
93.614mph
15 1:40.926
94.569mph
Disco
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 8 +2.663
93.170mph
13 +24L
91.664mph
6 1:41.644
93.901mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Lalethor
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Eagle T1F (Climax) F1 1966 1 1:39.778
95.657mph
14 +29L
91.945mph
1 1:45.319
90.624mph
Disco
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 6 +2.064
93.718mph
15 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 16 ---
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Firestone  
MagicArsouille
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 2 +0.227
95.440mph
17 ---
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (BRM V8) F1 1966 18 ---
---
Goodyear  
4 UKGPL
 
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 16 19 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Summary
After setting a blistering pole time just edging out Tristan, Alessandro blew his engine after a spin. With Tristan missing the start because he discoed at the end of practice and wasn\'t able to rejoin the server in time, Sam was able to capitalise the their misfortune and bring his Eagle home for a well deserved win. Clive grabbed second place with Andy Livingstone being promoted onto the final step of the podium after Axel was awarded a place penalty.


Server replay time: 0h12m05s

Lap 7 - Turn 8 Exit - Axel Cookie and Dean Logan
Dean pulls off a great pass on the inside at Charlton and leads Axel into the long right hander at Turn 8. The adrenaline is pumping and Dean runs slightly wide inviting Axel to try and take back the place. Axel hugs the inside whilst Dean tracks round the outside. They are side-by-side with neither driver more than a metre ahead as they exit the turn. Dean is as close to the white line on the outside as it is possible to be. Axel doesn\'t realize Dean is there and he moves across to take up the racing line. Contact is made and both cars spin out. Axel can continue but Dean is out of the race.

Dean may have left his braking to the very last second (in an effort to fend off Axel) causing him to run slightly wide, or he may simply have been driving in a very gentlemany manner and staying wide to ensure Axel had enough room. Either way, Dean did nothing wrong.

Having attempted the pass Axel should have stayed on his own side of the track until he was certain he was ahead of Dean.

This type of incident is covered by the penalty guideline \"Simple Side by Side contact, Scenario 4\". In fact there is a detailed explanation including screenshots from both inside and outside the cars. This incident is a perfect match for the penalty guideline so very little interpretation is required by the moderator.


Server replay time: 0h28m44s

Lap 16 - Bridge Turn - Bastian Grupp and Francesco Molteni
Bastian is pressurising Fancesco, he is looking for any opportunity to overtake on this tight twisty track. Francesco makes a tiny mistake at The Gulch, he looses momentum and slews to the inside. Bastian closes up just as Francesco moves to the right in order to resume the racing line. Contact is made between Francesco\'s gearbox and Bastian\'s nose. Bastian spins out but Francesco is unaffected.

There isn\'t a penalty guideline to specifically cover this type of incident. However there are a couple of general principles and a section in the Recommended Driver Behaviour which are appropriate. The first principle is that it is up to the following driver to make a safe pass and the second is that the lead driver must not block or weave to defend their position. There is also the guidance in the Recommended Driver Behaviour which encourages drivers to avoid close racing when it is not necessary.

Was Bastian attempting a safe pass? It is not obvious that Bastian was actually attempting a pass, he was merely sticking to the normal racing line and had more speed than Francesco thanks to his cleaner exit from The Gulch. Was Bastian driving too close? He closed up on Francesco because of Francesco\'s loss of momentum but he certainly wasn\'t constantly driving inches from Francesco\'s gearbox.

Francesco made the mistake and drifted off the racing line. Should he have moved back onto the racing line without considering other drivers? If Francesco had not moved off the racing line but had simply skidded and lost momentum, then there would be no question of him doing anything wrong. The onus would be on the following car to maintain a safe gap until a viable overtaking opportunity presented itself. However is it fair to move back onto the racing line and cause an opponent to change their line or speed to avoid a shunt? Does that not have the same effect as blocking or weaving?

Both drivers must share some responsibility for this incident as they both had an opportunity to avoid it. Having slewed to the inside, Francesco could have stayed on the inside for Bridge Turn thereby completing a legal defensive move. Having seen Fran was heading back to the racing line, Bastian could have backed off and waited for a better opportunity. However neither driver behaved in such a way as to warrant anything more than advice. A penalty, warning or even a caution for either driver would be harsh.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
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F1 1966
1:39.778
95.611mph
Lalethor
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« on: May 16, 2017, 09:28:47 PM +0100 »

Season 31 Historic Trophy – Round 7 - Mont-Tremblant

Circuit Mont-Tremblant is a 4.26 km (2.65 mi) race circuit about 13 km (8.1 mi) south of the village of Mont-Tremblant, Quebec, Canada. The name of the village of Saint-Jovite was often included in the name of the circuit, but since the village was amalgamated into Mont-Tremblant in the year 2000, it is no longer considered or functions as an independent entity since then.

The first two sections of the circuit were built in 1964 and extended by another mile into September 1965. The extension featured long straights and by virtue of the terrain, a small hill. Nicknamed "the Hump" it gained legendary status during the inaugural 1966 Can Am race. Two drivers in practice found that their cars, both near identical Lola T70 CanAm cars, launched themselves into the air. Both drivers emerged unhurt but were unable to compete in the race. The Canadian winters quickly rendered the track surface very bumpy and as a result, the attrition rate was quite high in the two Canadian Grand Prix Formula One events staged at the circuit. Of the 40 cars entered in those two races (20 each, in 1968 and 1970), 21 reached the checkered flag (with only 16 classified – the rest finishing too far behind the race winners).

This race is for cars with 2 Litre engines.

Race List =  IGOR
Server = UKGPL_4 (TBC)
IP Address = look at IGOR
Race date = 21-05-2017
GPL mod = 66F1
Variant = 2 Litre
60fps patch used = 60fpsV2newmod
Track = Mont-Tremblant
Qualification = 20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race = race starts at ~21:30 UK time
Race length = ~50 min -> 30 laps
Damage Model = PRO
Replay = here

Password: see above

Driver lists and divisional rules can be found on the championship standings page

Only reported incidents will be moderated, there is no Red Zone.

The traditional Historics handicapping system will be used for this season with the drivers leading the championship being limited to the slower chassis.

Drivers limited to the Group I cars (T1F Eagle Climax or Lotus 33 Climax) are:
Samb and Cookie

Drivers limited to the Group I or Group II cars (T1F Eagle Climax, Lotus 33 Climax, Brabham BT11 2.5lt or Lotus 33 BRM) are:
Tristan Bot and Lalethor

All other drivers have a free choice.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2017, 09:43:46 PM +0100 »

I don't know what append exactly.....I cross the line just few seconds before end of qualif and do my last lap....but when I finish the lap and cross the line, I stop the car and do "échap " for take the car out of track  and go on the start line .....but then disco and no time to reenter, race start.....
very desapointed.... Shocked Angry Huh
good luck all ....
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2017, 09:54:18 PM +0100 »

Seriously, Axel? How much of the *bleeping* track do you WANT???

Taking points for that performance, too, I'll bet. thumbdown

Yeah, the guilty party carries on again, while the victim is out, no points, stats suffer due to other's, what, greed? Incompetence? What's the excuse reason?

After Panchine, Montjuich, now this? To hell with this season.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2017, 10:32:30 PM +0100 »

Some error and some little touch with other cars but this was a good test for my engine reliability.I think to have found the problem and the next race at Monza with the 67 could confirm.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2017, 10:36:17 PM +0100 »

Sorry Dean was my fault, did not see you and had no idea where you are...
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2017, 11:12:51 PM +0100 »

UKGPL_3 seems to be off-line again so server replay is available here
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2017, 11:16:49 PM +0100 »

Seems like I'm finally getting used to the clutch and H-shifter.  Had a good battle with David and Fran before dropping back after a couple of spins due to missing gears.

Grats to the podium, some very fast times up front!!
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2017, 12:13:12 AM +0100 »

 Congrats podium!!!!!!!!

  ...here rang the cel phone !!!! GRRRRR
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2017, 01:08:10 AM +0100 »

Sorry Dean was my fault, did not see you and had no idea where you are...

And you've never, ever, heard of F10 view, or side glances, or that moving across the track when you don't know the way is clear is a REALLY BAD IDEA (see Montjuich this season for another example).

But hey, you got to finish, on the podium no less, keeping a tight hold on your 2nd place in the championship, so all's good, right? You rock, pal.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2017, 06:24:31 AM +0100 »

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If you have a problem with a specific incident, please raise an incident report and, as the moderator for this division, I will look at it. I'm not going to get involved in a debate on the driver's forum. You have a very good understanding of the rules and it is helpful to have your unput but please via the reporting system.
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2017, 07:52:04 AM +0100 »

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Had a good battle with David and Fran before dropping back after a couple of spins
The battle with you was the fan of the race for me,but is not easy to do an overtake on this track Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2017, 07:15:23 PM +0100 »

Well, I sure enjoyed that one. After Tris' unfortunate disco & Alessandro's spin on lap 2, I spent half my race trying to break the two from Johnny 'O. We were closely matched but I managed to keep just enough of a gap to prevent him having a go at passing me.

Sorry to hear real life got in the way Johnny, I was enjoying that scrap. After he disco'd I had a decent cushion ahead of Clive, so it was a case of bringing to car home. Almost managed a whole race without spinning, but lost the back end at the exit of The Esses a few laps from the end. Dave Ranier had to let me through twice due to my incompetence  Roll Eyes. Sorry about that.

Congrats to Clive & Axel for rounding off the podium.
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2017, 07:44:46 PM +0100 »

Dave Ranier had to let me through twice due to my incompetence  Roll Eyes. Sorry about that.



My dream would be to have the same level of incompetence than the leader of this serie (with 75 points more than the 2nd) Wink

Grats for you great win !
Bad luck for Tristan
Alessandro is often on pole position but also often make fatal mistakes Sad

I had a pleasant race trying to overtake Francesco and Phil, I had to wait for their errors.
I noticed Francesco is more and more quick, race after race ! 
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2017, 06:36:14 AM +0100 »

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I noticed Francesco is more and more quick, race after race !
Not really in my opinion,what i have done is a correction on my gas pedal that was(i think)the cause of so many engine explosion.
Monza with 67 could be a good test.
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2017, 07:19:52 PM +0100 »

Alessandro is often on pole position but also often make fatal mistakes Sad

Unfortunately this is so  Grin angel
Starting from pole and saw no problem behind me with a little margin on second, I don't forced the rhythm of my first laps, and I don't forced the entry inthe hairpin but.. I spinned, my mistake and hope no problem for Samb that tried to dodge me  Grin
But when I accelerated for restart my engine broke out

Compliments for win Samb, you're very fast and consistency and at podium on this difficult track
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