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October 31, 2006, 09:00:09 PM +0000 - Valencia (GP) - UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Porsche 993 GT2 NGT 1 1:32.628
95.918mph
1 40:42.375
90.943mph
25 1:34.064
94.454mph
Dunlop +60.0kg
james
 Racin24-7
Porsche 993 GT2 NGT 3 +1.383
94.507mph
2 +14.168
90.419mph
25 1:34.908
93.614mph
Dunlop +60.0kg
greg130
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 993 GT2 NGT 4 +1.399
94.491mph
3 +14.611
90.403mph
25 1:35.002
93.521mph
Dunlop +60.0kg
Martin Steinmetz
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 5 +1.615
94.275mph
4 +18.485
90.260mph
25 1:34.768
93.752mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
CeeJay
 GTN Drivers Club
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 2 +1.314
94.577mph
5 +18.611
90.256mph
25 1:34.796
93.725mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Radius
 Racin24-7
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 6 +1.772
94.118mph
6 +31.048
89.802mph
25 1:35.411
93.120mph
Michelin +50.0kg
locutos ukgtr
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 993 GT2 NGT 8 +1.968
93.923mph
7 +37.356
89.573mph
25 1:35.580
92.956mph
Dunlop +60.0kg
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 14 +2.952
92.956mph
8 +50.045
89.117mph
25 1:35.678
92.861mph
Michelin +50.0kg
baracus250gt
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 16 +2.992
92.917mph
9 +54.019
88.975mph
25 1:35.713
92.827mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
TVR Tuscan T400R NGT 13 +2.847
93.058mph
10 +55.806
88.912mph
25 1:36.328
92.234mph
Dunlop -40.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 12 +2.757
93.146mph
11 +1:24.218
87.912mph
25 1:36.272
92.288mph
Pirelli +50.0kg
Aagramn
 Team Shark Junior
BMW M3 GTR NGT 15 +2.989
92.920mph
12 +1:25.879
87.854mph
25 1:36.827
91.759mph
Michelin +80.0kg
NoSpeed
 RS Motorsport
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 9 +2.240
93.653mph
13 +1:27.756
87.789mph
25 1:36.091
92.461mph
Michelin +50.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 7 +1.888
94.002mph
14 +1:31.641
87.654mph
25 1:35.433
93.099mph
Michelin +50.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 19 +3.320
92.599mph
15 +1:34.866
87.543mph
25 1:37.420
91.200mph
Pirelli +50.0kg
LEUVEN
 CBFR
Gillet Vertigo Streiff NGT 17 +3.101
92.811mph
16 +1L
87.252mph
24 1:36.708
91.872mph
Dunlop -70.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 20 +3.640
92.291mph
17 +9.150
86.927mph
24 1:36.132
92.422mph
Michelin +50.0kg
Carl Hart
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 11 +2.652
93.248mph
18 +55.696
85.308mph
24 1:35.472
93.061mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
PaulW
 Legends Racing
BMW M3 GTR NGT 23 +5.374
90.659mph
19 +1:29.740
84.162mph
24 1:38.983
89.760mph
Michelin +80.0kg
Filipe Galego
 Sonic Racing Team
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 24 +6.266
89.841mph
20 +2L
82.565mph
23 1:39.149
89.610mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Pedro[PL]
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 10 +2.423
93.473mph
21 +45.428
81.077mph
23 1:35.724
92.816mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
enz13_gt
 
Mosler MT900R NGT 25 +8.513
87.845mph
22 23 1:38.766
89.957mph
fuel
Dunlop -20.0kg
ivansmiven
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 22 +5.286
90.740mph
23 +3L 22 1:37.870
90.781mph
unknown
Pirelli +30.0kg
Luis Branco
 Sonic Racing Team
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 18 +3.306
92.613mph
24 +12L 13 1:36.374
92.190mph
unknown
Pirelli +30.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 21 +3.828
92.112mph
+25L 0 ---
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DQ
Pirelli +50.0kg

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 1065s

Aagramn is following NoSpeed into the final turn and as they brake both cars get out of shape resulting in some contact. Both cars are slowed and Pedro who is following behind manages to just squeeze through as the two cars bounce off each other.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1404s

Leuven is chasing Aagramn and as they enter turn 5 Aagramn gets a bit out of shape and runs wide onto the kerbing. Leuven moves to the inside but Aagramn gets even more out of shape on the kerbing and slides into Leuven's path resulting in contact.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 2300s

Paul968 has closed up on Popabawa and has been pressuring him for several corners. As they exit T5 Pops stays to the left of the track and Paul moves to the right, which is the outside line for the following left hander T6.
As they reach the braking point Popabawa moves across to the righthand side of the track to get a wider line for the turn. Paul is planning on braking late and going around the outside and cannot slow in time and taps Pops in the rear sending him off.

This incident is complicated by the fact that the racing line does move across the track at this point and Pops took the corner as he had done on previous laps.
I'm almost inclined to view this one as a racing incident except for two things:
Popabawa'a move across the track is quite sudden and, even though he mostly follows the racing line, this is not an advisable thing to do when being challenged from behind.
This was Paul's first time behind Pops for T6 and should have exercised more caution until he had seen what kind of lines Pops was using.

  • Paul968caution — contact with Popabawa
  • popabawacaution — choose a definite racing line before the braking point


Server replay time: 2507s

Truetom is rejoining in the final curve after having an off and cuts into the path of the approaching Aagramn. Good foresight and some heavy braking by Aagramn is all that prevents an accident here as Truetom moves further and further across the track onto the racing line.
Drivers are reminded that when rejoining the track after going off line, you must stay off the racing line until back up to speed.

In this case it was Truetom's haste to get back up to speed, causing him some power oversteer, and it was this that moved him across onto the racing line. So I am reducing what would normally be a penalty to a warning.

  • Truetomwarning — careless rejoin
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 2530s

Truetom goes wide in the chicane and ends up sliding across the gravel. Something in the gravel trap flicks his car up and sideways into the path of Aagramn and there is side contact resulting in Aagramn going off.

  • Racing incident

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
NGT
1:32.628
95.918mph
Jeffrey
Qualifying
Porsche 993 GT2
+60.0kg
October 31, 2006, 09:00:09 PM +0000
U4SNm
GTR2
NGT
1:34.064
94.454mph
Jeffrey
Race
Porsche 993 GT2
+60.0kg
October 31, 2006, 09:00:09 PM +0000
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« on: October 28, 2006, 11:46:53 AM +0100 »

Date: Tuesday 31st October - Happy Halloween Season Opener

Practice 1:20:15(10 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:25(10 mins)reserves may join too
Qual 2:20:35(20 mins)
Race:21:00(40 mins)

Cars allowed: any NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.1 - see this thread.
Weather: Dry
Track: Valencia GP
Race Start Time 14:00

Server: UKGTR NGT Masters
Password: here

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Important! We plan to encourage drivers to pick one car and stick to it, so expect some sort of modest points penalty if you change cars in subsequent races.
(3) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page.
(4) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2006, 05:36:11 PM +0000 »

Skin pack published.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2006, 05:45:28 PM +0000 »

Excellent. Thanks for getting the ballast and skin pack sorted out.  Grin
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2006, 06:04:59 PM +0000 »

I must have been doing something wrong, but why do I get some cars double. For instance, the Z3 without balast (0 KG) and 1 with 5 kg balast. Did I have to install the beta balastpack vefore installing this? I did not use modmanager but just unpacked?
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2006, 06:10:34 PM +0000 »

I must have been doing something wrong, but why do I get some cars double. For instance, the Z3 without balast (0 KG) and 1 with 5 kg balast. Did I have to install the beta balastpack vefore installing this? I did not use modmanager but just unpacked?

You need to remove the beta pack first - just delete anything with UKGTR in its name, then reinstall the production pack. I'll be sending out a PM-shot later with instructions and some other notes.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2006, 06:38:28 PM +0000 »

You need to remove the beta pack first - just delete anything with UKGTR in its name, then reinstall the production pack. I'll be sending out a PM-shot later with instructions and some other notes.

I did this by opening a command prompt in my GTR2 directory and typing the following:

del /s *ukgtr*.*

The /s option deletes anything that matches from the subdirectories as well, but be very careful with those wildcards folks.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2006, 06:48:34 PM +0000 »

I did this by opening a command prompt in my GTR2 directory and typing the following:

del /s *ukgtr*.*

The /s option deletes anything that matches from the subdirectories as well, but be very careful with those wildcards folks.

Even I don't do it that way and I'm a supergeek! Cheesy I right click my GameData folder, select Search from the context menu, type in UKGTR and hit the Search button. Then   I check what comes up, and if I'm happy press Control-A to select them all and hit the Delete key.
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2006, 07:14:18 PM +0000 »

I've had my moment.  Cool

Strange thing is, I've always been pretty useless with command prompts - it just didn't occur to me to use a file search.  Shocked
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2006, 07:53:18 PM +0000 »

Just a word of warning your PM regarding the skin pack says and i quote...
"If you have the 2.0a1 pack installed, please remove it by searching for and deleting all files in your GTR2/GameData directory"

Err, EVERYTHING?! Nooooooo! hang
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2006, 08:12:07 PM +0000 »

Just a word of warning your PM regarding the skin pack says and i quote...
"If you have the 2.0a1 pack installed, please remove it by searching for and deleting all files in your GTR2/GameData directory"
Err, EVERYTHING?! Nooooooo!

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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2006, 10:09:51 PM +0000 »

Skins and ballast all seemed to work with no technical difficulties for me. I decided to try out a load of the cars online on the server to do a comparitive test of times with the new ballast. Sorry couldn't manage all 15,000 car variations so 7 will have to do  Wink Bear in mind this is Valencia so it's twisty and horse power is not as big a factor (although still a factor) as other circuits...

350Z - 1:36.8 - Very stable car, late braking possilbe, it's still lacking power.
Morgan - 1:36.7 - Lively as hell, great fun, but hard to live with for 40 mins. Very hard suspension, takes a lot of car control.
360GTC - 1:36.9 - I just hate the GTC. I was alright with the Modena in GTR1 but I just don't get on with the GTC in GTR2 which probably accounts for the poor laptime.
TVR - 1:36.0 - This car is just smoooooooth and huuuuge amounts of fun. Completely controllable lively car. Can brake late and great turn in.
Mosler - 1:35.9 - Probably quite a bit more speed left in that one, but I just wanted to do a few laps. Pretty stable, a bit oversteery on entry, but provide good turn in.
RSR - 1:36.9 - Couldn't drive the 911 well in GTR1 and no different here. Not really a representative lap time. Could probably do another second quicker if I persevered.
M3 - 1:36.1 - Will go quicker than that with more laps. Bit oversteery and feels hard to brake with all that german engineering ballast so might be hard to resist overtakers that can keep up down the straights.

911 GT2 I don't think should be allowed in NGT as I said before, it's got too much horse power. I commend anyone taking it mind you as it's still a complete and utter pig to drive and i wouldn't drive it if you paid me.  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2006, 10:16:34 PM +0000 »

good job shark...
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2006, 11:04:14 PM +0000 »

You don't like 360GTC? Try my "anti spin" setup at www.clex-polska.pl/anty_spin_360.zip

I managed to do regular 1.35.9xx - 1.36.5xx in my practice race today.

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2006, 12:17:52 AM +0000 »

911 GT2 I don't think should be allowed in NGT as I said before, it's got too much horse power. I commend anyone taking it mind you as it's still a complete and utter pig to drive and i wouldn't drive it if you paid me.  Grin

Your'e not wrong mate its a complete pig, good in a straight line but come the twisty bits, well different story. Not to mention the tyre wear on a long run, lol.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2006, 03:46:30 PM +0000 »

Can we get the qually session increased? Last season it was 10 mins P1, 5 mins P2 and 28 mins qually. 20 minutes is going to VERY hectic and imho lead to more unmoderatable incidents (with no replay available for qually).

Can we reduce P2 to 5 mins and increase qually to 25 mins?
(P2 is only to let reserves join. How long do they need?! Tongue)
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