UKGPL Season 16 - Novices and Amateurs - Race 10 - 65 mod - Monza (GP 1955-71)

Tim and Natan will fight it out for the Amateurs championship, Honda versus Lotus, in the last race under the current format.  Storm has a slight mathematical chance should he return.  The races have been close this season, despite problems caused by splitting into two divisions.  Next season I expect the Amateurs to move to pro races at 50% distance, with adjusted allocations.  Pro level should be slightly easier to moderate though there have been few incidents this season.

Asbjeurn has a slight chance of winning the Novices title, so Sam may choose to enter the Novices race at Monza.   

There is the prospect of further refinements to the 65 mod, though if there is to be added slipstream I would prefer that the original top speeds be made accurate- the RSC thread is here:  http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=329607
While some consider the 66 tow excessive, the slower top speeds of the 65s would reduce this problem to a large extent.  Also, the current 65 model isn't that of the original cars as it was impossible to make it work- the crude solution was to increase top speeds 5%.  The 65s with tow might be fantastic racing- and of course the existing 65s would still be an option.

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Race date = 3-2-2009
Time = 20:45
Track =  Monza (GP 1955-71)
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = Long (21 laps)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

65 Mod

These were the 65 drivers
BT7 Bonnier, Baghetti, Hulme (Bonnier drove for Walker)
BT11 Brabham Gurney Gardner Anderson Siffert (Siffert drove for Walker, Gardner and Anderson were privateers)
Lotus Clark Spence Rodriguez Mitter Russo Solana (and Maggs Hailwood Attwood Amon and Ireland for Parnell)
Ferrari Surtees Bandini Rodriguez Vaccarella Bondurant Scarfiotti
Honda Ginther Bucknum
Cooper McLaren Rindt
BRM Hill Stewart

The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast.... Graham Hill got pole in his P261 in 1965 with a time of 1'30.7.  Jim Clark won the race in a Lotus 33 with a fastest lap of 1'30.6. 

David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/ has the download of the most recent 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.

Unfortunately the current 65 mod download does not have default setups.  Default setups for all the cars and tracks that are likely to be used can be downloaded from http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver under '65 setups'.  Note that you will have to add enough fuel for the race, whether short or long!

Haven't got time to practicing for this one. Have been caught up the last evenings with trying to save data from a hard disk that crashed. Luckily i succeeded on saturday, so now I can concentrate on practicing for tomorrow's race. Monza is a fairly simple track to learn, and I had a go at it a few weeks ago with some of the UKGPL'ers, so it shouldn't be too hard to get up to speed on it. Sam, will you be defending your position?

After plenty of practice, it looks like I wont make it.  Good job I was out of it after Zandy anyway.

Nothing faster than a BT7   

Or I shall cry.  :'(


We have enough bandits in fast cars as it is. 

A BT7 please Ken, otherwise Clive will shed tears as only a Soggie could manage.

Good to have you return Storm- we're still short for the interleague on Sunday, you could consider that as well?

Thanks for the update on the 65s John.  RSC is offline, but from Paul's post there it seemed that you haven't made any changes to the existing cars.  It seems odd to retain the extra top speeds when you've added slipstream, just for the sake of one of the less popular ranks.  Is there a code issue with the top speeds, as it wouldn't seem to require more testing to fix them?

Dangling carrots like that infront of me can only end in bitten fingers! 
Glad to have you back Storm - Although it's terrible timing as I need this one won , and you tend to get infront of me and stay there! 

Qualifying went well, I was aiming for 36s but could not for the life of me get there, so sat second to Tim in the Honda. Bogged down at the start and lost a few places, and spent the whole race playing catchup before settling into a rhythm and putting consistent laps in to reel the gap. I got it down to about 1.8 seconds, then I got punted upside down into Parabolica whilst trying to lap somebody (haven't seen the replay, but I'll do that before I name names), reset the car, then tried to get back into that rhythm. Dunno if I'll have a penalty applied, but if I do I won't complain much. 2nd after that seems alright, though I have mixed feelings cos I wanted that win so bad!

Congrats to Tim for the win, Will for 3rd, and everybody else who finished.

Monza - quite an easy track to learn for GPL (great to watch on the telly, atmosphrere..etc).
However, becuase it is quite simple in layout with only a few breaking points, it does promote close racing and i love it. Its good to race a variety of track types.
I finished 5th in the novices, but enjoyed it a great deal.
Followed Stemmler for a few laps until Grande Curva where he slowed a lot to avoid A.Tverberg who must have hit the barriers or something, i tried to aim for a gap as i couldn't slow enough and wasn't sure where he or Tverberg were going, but unfortunately i hit him - apologies. After building up Speed again i made it through Lesmos 1 & 2 and let Stemmler through as i had made the position up by hitting him.
Tverberg caught me after i made a slight error at Lesmos 1 a couple of laps later and we had a great side my side battle for the next lap.
After that i stayed within a couple of seconds of Tverberg and Stemmler but after pushing, spun it a couple of laps from the end to finish a distant 5th.
Great fun though, and the good thing about Monza is you can often see the next position ahead so it gives you even more motivation to push.

Great Fun