G Jonsson
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« on: April 22, 2011, 01:01:35 AM +0100 » |
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WELCOME TO THE UKGPL SEASON 21 HISTORIC (66) TROPHY For the first round we go to Italy. The Panchine track may be a fantasy but it is fast, has sticky hedges and a nasty jump so be aware. There will be full moderation of lap one, and then reported incidents for the rest of the race. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race. Please restrict chat to a minimum, (or maybe none). Best of luck. Race List = iGOR Server = UKGPL_T7_2 IP Address = 62.149.202.168 Race date = 26-04-2011 Time = 21.00 UK time Track = Panchine Autodromo Nazionale delle Panchine Variant = 66F1 3L engines Damage Model = PRO Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Do not start driving until 30 min left. Race length = Pro Long (26 laps) The track can be downloaded from: http://www.javinester.co.uk/gpl/panchine.htmlGroup I Mclaren M2B Ford T1G Eagle Weslake Group II Lotus 43 BRM Ford BRM P83 GroupIII Ferrari 312 Brabham BT19 Cooper T81 Honda RA273 Drivers Restricted to cars from Group I Drivers Restricted to cars form Group II or Group I All drivers have free chassis choice. Password: see above(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2011, 01:45:08 AM +0100 » |
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I don't like that we use restrictions for the first round. It goes against the meaning of the handicap system which only kicks in based on points standings. As it is, we all have 0 points at the start, so it doesn't make sense. It's a new season, it has nothing to do with S20.
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john roberts
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2011, 03:03:54 AM +0100 » |
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I don't like that we use restrictions for the first round. It goes against the meaning of the handicap system which only kicks in based on points standings. As it is, we all have 0 points at the start, so it doesn't make sense. It's a new season, it has nothing to do with S20. i guess it's like the golf system , so better players can do rounds with those less skillful . so it's not against the handicap system just a different one , so it does make sense . one other thing Hristo i'm not saying i'm for or against this system , i'm just saying it's a valid system with different approach to the others . john
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2011, 09:15:23 AM +0100 » |
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I guess it all depends on wether or not you approve of handicap races. Sometimes its a good thing but it can lead to some slightly distorted results. Certainly if I were to beat Hristo in a race perhaps it would be wise to question the depth of the handicapping. years ago, during the Wireplay GPL league, we ran a handicapping system that set a benchmark time that no driver was allowed to exceed. This gave the faster drivers a full choice of chassis and all manner of ways of restricting their own speed. It made for some good close racing but did fustrate the faster guys on occasion.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2011, 10:29:42 AM +0100 » |
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we ran a handicapping system that set a benchmark time that no driver was allowed to exceed. This gave the faster drivers a full choice of chassis and all manner of ways of restricting their own speed. It made for some good close racing but did fustrate the faster guys on occasion.
Not suggesting any changes but, out of interest, how did that work? ie how did you stop someone exceeding a benchmark and what stopped someone setting a 'false' time (could be done with Prib) then opening up in the race? I am assuming the restriction only applied in qually and not the race itself.
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2011, 10:36:07 AM +0100 » |
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I don't really understand what you're saying, guys. We have a handicap system for Historics. It's based on points standings. I don't have a problem with it and it works well in my opinion, I like it. Each championship should be treated separately though and with a handicap system like this one, everyone should be given an equal start. I simply fail to see any other logic except "let's handicap Hristo and Evil further more as a compensation for beating us in S20."
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vosblod
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2011, 10:39:42 AM +0100 » |
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Not suggesting any changes H I'm just interested as to how the system Jason mentions worked. PS: I'm keeping out of this one as I'm not the division mod but I would mention exactly the same thing happened last season, and the season before that, and no one raised it as an issue.
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2011, 12:16:17 PM +0100 » |
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Well, I'm raising it now, especially with the new points system. Just want to understand the logic behind it.
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G Jonsson
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2011, 09:21:13 PM +0100 » |
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I don't like that we use restrictions for the first round. It goes against the meaning of the handicap system which only kicks in based on points standings. As it is, we all have 0 points at the start, so it doesn't make sense. I must say I kind of agree with you on this one Hristo. Even if I do understand where it comes from. When I took over as mod for the Historic I did not think much about it, just a little humm, OK and so it stayed. But it really builds on the idea that most things are static, like the same drivers and no one improving, - or impairing - . But if new, or old, fast drivers join then it really misses the point, so if I do not get any good reason too keep it over the next couple of days I will remove the handicapping for the first race. Göran
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2011, 10:18:34 PM +0100 » |
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If I didn't believe drivers can improve then I wouldn't be bothering half as much. I think we see a lot of evidence of people improving. Anyway, if it's been decided and you won't budge on it, so be it, but I hope this would be the last time...
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2011, 11:02:06 PM +0100 » |
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Anyway, if it's been decided and you won't budge on it, so be it, but I hope this would be the last time...
Eh, didn't Goran just say he would drop the handicapping for the first race??? I didn't see such a thing, lol. Did I misunderstand something? Ah I just noticed... well he's not decided yet obviously.
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vosblod
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2011, 11:04:31 PM +0100 » |
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Sorry I modified my answer after you had posted or something and now it's deleted LOL. Anyway I think that says it's dropped unless anyone raises a good reason why not too...
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2011, 11:12:16 PM +0100 » |
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Well, I did practice with the McLaren yesterday, tricky track.
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2011, 08:22:07 AM +0100 » |
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"This season drivers will be seeded and allocated a chassis group for the first race, this should prevent the first round being a virtual spec race."
Yes or no???
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2011, 09:57:50 AM +0100 » |
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"This season drivers will be seeded and allocated a chassis group for the first race, this should prevent the first round being a virtual spec race."
Yes or no???
It's not like it matters to you, Ronnie. Regardless of whether we go this way or not, it's only me and Evil who were grouped, so you have free car choice anyway. Read the bottom of the first post.
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