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Track: Bryar Motorsports Park Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg109873#post_bryar)


Cars allowed: Mercury Cougar TA from the 1960's carset Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_american_v8) , Chevrolet Camaro Z28 from the 1970's carset Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_american_v8) , '66 Shelby Mustang TA, 340 Plymouth Barracuda and the 1968 Pontiac Firebird all from this carset Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/download/pe41p6divqam78y/Old_Geezers_add-on_car_pack.zip)

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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (30 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Unfortunately I won't be able to admin or race at this event. So drivers will have push through to qualy and the results/replay will be very late.

I am currently able to admin this one. and should be competing  8)

Thanks Matt  :thumbup1:

Laps increased to 30.

Not too much information on the 1966 Trans Am race at Bryar.  The track was built in 1965 and ran untill 1990 when it was remade into a oval complex for NASCAR called Loudon. The roadcourse was used by SCCA and also motorcycle racing.  The 1966 TA race was 250 miles long and took 3 hours and 40 minutes to complete.  The overall winner was a Lotus Cortina,  second a Plymouth Baracuda and third a Alfa GTA.  I can understand how the better handling Cortina could win on this twisty little track, as the V8s never had a chance to really get much speed up and I bet those old Bias type tires were shreaded in a hurry. 
I did 30 laps in the Mustang this afternoon and by 23 laps or so it was almost a drifting contest to get around the track.  Should be a interesting event......

Bob M.

It s Mickey Mouse track !!!! It would be better  run with a kart !!!!

Careful to lake,  if one fall in the lake his race is finished, already I feel myself like a fisherman.

I guess it does bring a whole new meaning to the phrase "Hey Guys I think I've flooded the engine".

Seriously though, I've driven around on the lake bed and as long as you keep track of your bearings you can drive back out and rejoin without so much as an "Off Track" warning

TTFN
John.

YES, I've found out the hard way also!  ???  ::)

I hope to be with you guys tonight, after a 3 month break.

First thing Grats to Bob and Attila on win Trans Am champioship with our Team and it was ouur goal also if with Attila ran all races it was more easy but it s right say that it missed Jose at GTLDK so all was balanced  also because Attila and Jose are the best and most fast drivers among us with Geoffers of course.

About race I think that i lost it on the start, Geoffers passed me and i never could have free road my best 1:20,8 but with pace race i could get 1:20,4. The key point has been when Geoffers touched me after taht i passed him so Clive take first place. Clive never mistake , Clive win but really on this track was very difficult overtake but the worst has been when the tyres start to melt specially for braking. Geoffers drove the Firebird like me and we was with the same speed Clive with Mustang was better on the little straights me and Geoffers gain on input corners. The last lap had Geoffers in front to me so i tryed to pass him over tyres possibility and so i gone out of road.

It miss a race me and Geoffers very closed on the standing but if Geoffers will not mistake I cant win. Geoffers will use Mercury and me Camaro and my little experience says that on the layout of Watkins Glenn Camaro not have possibilities against Mercury and also that Geoffers is better than me so i think 98% for Geoffers and  2% for Ziu.....2% is the Geoffers possibility of get a mistake.


Onestly i lost this champioship at Westwood it miss to me 17 points if at Westwood my engine no exploded we was talking about an other story but it s also true that luck or the bad luck don t exist, men invented them for find always some excuses when happen something. It s also true that Geoffers is most strong than me just i can learn from him.

Grats to Clive and Geoffers and thanks for fun race

Oh, forgot to say:
Results and Replay Posted

Can't believe I saved my 2nd Barracuda drive for this track.. (maybe that'll teach me to check all tracks in a series early in the season)  :)

It was either the Barracuda or the Camaro, and the former was faster, easier to drive and much easier on the tyres - the Camaro was practically vaporizing the rears.  Fortunately the Camaro was the fastest of the two on the final track, which I also checked, so at least no dilemma about which to use where.

New substantially improved pb in qual, but only good enough for 5th.  For once I shot off the line like a cannonball, maybe helped by a rather extreme diff setting.  All in vain however, when Matt ahead of me failed to move. Had to back off, and tried to steer around him, but by then he had woken up and started moving.  Thus I slotted into my 5th place, which held the entire race.

Kept pace with Matt over the first few laps, but once his tyres warmed I assume, he started to inch away.  Gap behind was growing too, so all in all a relatively lonely race.  Never had more than around 6 secs max gap to the car behind though, so not able to relax.  Early on it was John, but later I didn't know who was chasing me.  Based on the consistency, I suspected it was Bob.  Whenever I had a slow(er) lap and lost time, the gap would almost certainly shrink by the same amount.  Really annoying that he seemed unaffected by tyre wear, as mine were getting worse  :)

With a couple of laps to go, I caught up to Matt again, as he must have had an off somewhere. Still faster than me though, and regrettably he didn't make any more mistakes, so not able to nick his place  ;)

Grats to Clive on the win, and Geoff + Ziu for the remaining podiums.  Looks to be an epic struggle for the Championship between the latter two in the series finale  :)

Cheers,
Erling

Very lucky win for me, but the circuit was my best friend at the end.
After I tried a few laps at this new circuit in a random car, I selected the Mustang simply because it was one of the lightest. My theory being that with all those tight corners and short straights, acceleration out of those corners would be important. I'm not sure how accurately GTL measures certain physics, but I was hoping that a lighter car would put less strain on the tyres too??  
The few laps that I did in the Mustang last Friday evening got me down to a high 1:20, with definite room for improvement. As I was away over the weekend so no further chance to do any practice ( even if I could wangle some free time!!).

At one point I thought that I was going to be mid grid or worse, but a very careful lap hitting braking points and apexes shaved enough off the time to drag me up to 4th, and the second row alongside Matt. Matt is usually quick off the line so I was expecting a tough time into T1. Fortunately, I got the power down a little better than Matt and I tucked in behind Geoffers and Ziu. Very careful first laps on cold tyres where I have come unstuck in previous races, but I managed to stay comfortably in touch with the 2 aliens ahead.
Very slowly I was pulling a gap on Matt and did not need to watch my mirrors quite so closely as the pace increased ahead. I was driving as fast as I felt safe and was just holding the gap to Geoffers at around 2 secs with Ziu between us. Close enough to benefit from any "incidents" but hopefully far enough back not to become involved.
For lap after lap Ziu was trying to find a passing opportunity, but this track offers little chance if the cars are equal and the guy in front does not make a mistake. By now I had about 5 secs lead over Matt in 4th place, and was still following the battle ahead which was very entertaining from my seat.
Then Ziu got a good run out of the final corner and put his car alongside Geoffers going into T1. I'm not sure exactly what happened but there was contact and Ziu went grass cutting. Geoffers did the honourable thing and slowed to wait for Ziu and suddenly I was in the lead!!
Until that moment I could see no chance of improving on 3rd and had almost resigned myself to staying there until the end.
By the end of my first lap in the lead I was almost 5 secs ahead of Ziu and Geoffers and reasoned that if I had managed to stay with them for the first half of the race, if I could maintain the same pace they would have to work VERY hard.
That all worked fine for many laps and the gap reduced only slightly, which a quick bit of mental arithmetic confirmed that I would still be ahead at the end even if they continued to close at that rate.
Well it should have been comfortable, but as the tyres wore down the handling became a little less certain. I just missed my braking point at the final turn and could not prevent the car taking to the grass. A great deal of wheel twiddling and gear changing prevented the Mustang from spinning, which would have been disastrous. I just got my car back on to the tarmac before Ziu and Geoffers came thundering up behind!!
With 10 laps left and zero lead over two very fast drivers, this was going to be a tough end to the race.
Those last ten laps were an exercise in defensive driving and how to sweat profusely!!
I noticed that both Ziu and Geoffers were struggling to get the power down out of the corners ( probably as a result of their tyres being worn) but I found that I could squeeze a few tenths out of the corners and brake safely for the next as they closed up again.
This tactic worked perfectly on such a tight track and I held the lead to the flag.
Grats to Geoffers and Ziu for making that such a tight race, and thanks to the person who chose that track for this series, as I doubt I could have held them off on a more open circuit.

I found it interesting what you wrote Clive, but the American Muscle Car choice does not depend on weight, but on the type of driving and gear style. I take this opportunity to say that there is no absolute value in these cars so put restriction rules in this league is a relative thing (it's not a criticism, Tony did a great job). For example, I can say that out of 10 races that I have chosen 8 times Firebird and Firebird for you is not the best car if you do a poll. When I drove on GCMCL my car was Firebird, Barracuda ,Roadrunner sometime Mustang (only Monza or Stardust) Mercury, Camaro SS 1969 and one time only Camaro Z28 just Zandvoort (I was flying with these car Zandovoort).
Why 8 times Firebird? Because it is the only car where I can set the correct tyres pressure for my style driving. When I choose another machine it s only because gear was better than Firebird.
Yesterday, I got pole and I could get victory (without Geoffers in front to me) because the Firebird package + Ziu was good.
I can say that Barracuda was not the best choice here too long gear 4.
You have good performance with Mustang, because it was good for you and Mustang car is soft almost like Mercury and you win with Mercury, you was flying with it. In Whatkins Glenn I have no chance with Camaro Z28  I needed Barracuda or Mercury as Geoffers, but it was there Roadrunner I choice it for sure.
But with these cars the concept is choose the car right for own style driving.
It s all relative I saw drivers winning with heavy cars.
I remember a battle between me and Attila in Zolder, me Firebird and Attila Dodge Charger, too differents cars but same lap times !!!!!

Thanks for your knowledge Ziu. What you say makes good sense when I look back at which cars I have used, and the successes and failures I have had.
During qually I did stiffen the suspension on the Mustang as it seemed a little too soft, plus the tyres appeared to be under inflated and were staying cool around the centre. So I got Mable to give a quick blow.......??!!!  oops!! that might be misconstrued  ::)

I still have a lot to learn about GTL cars and how they work, but it sure is fun finding out.  ;)
 

Results (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_S0l3b3RVY2RmWjQ?ltmpl/index.html)

 8)

What a fantastic race, close racing from flag to flag, brilliant. ;D

Got the jump on pole man Ziu at the start & managed to open up a little gap over the first few laps but then lost my rhythm a little & Ziu closed in. Still held on to the lead until Ziu got a good drive along the back of the lake & got ahead into the final turn. Neck & neck down to T1, unfortunately I was a shade late on the brakes & nudged into the back of Ziu's Firebird enough to put him onto the grass. Obviously waited for him to rejoin by which time Clive was through into the lead.

Seemed to take ages for us to catch back up to Clive & Ziu & I swapped places a couple of times due to mistakes. As the last few laps wore down & the tyres were well past their best we all seemed to be having traction problems & as we finished lap 29 Ziu got well out of shape out of the final turn & I got past. But there was no denying Clive an excellent win after resisting so much pressure.

Congrats Clive & also Ziu.  :clap: :clap:

Looks like it is down to the wire at Watkins Glen!  :o

Finally guys, in case some of you have not seen it, can I refer you to this thread about the new series we are running based at NoGrip on Wednesday evenings recreating the 1963 World Sports Car Championship. All GTL racers welcome.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13985.0

It starts with a test race this Wednesday (Sept 21st) with the first round of the championship next Wednesday (Sept 28th). I know one or two of you have already expressed interest, hope some more of you fancy some extra GTL action over the winter months.  :thumbup1:

I have to admit as much as I like this series I still have absolutely no idea what I'm doing with the cars and I almost always end up driving the default set up perhaps with a change in gearing to suit the track. To me they seem to drive like an over powered showroom variant rather than a race car. Stiffening the suspension and/or  playing around with bump and rebound etc usually results in something akin to a cow on rollerskates so I almost always revert back to default. But there is no denying for those who have mastered these beasts the do make for some close racing.

Qualified towards the tail of the field as usual in 8th but got a great start and by half way around lap 1 found myself in 6th having somehow jumped Bob and Steve but being gapped pretty quickly by those in front so knew I was out of position based on my abilities. Was hunted down by Bob and lost the position running wide at T4 (I think) and Bob was through. Tried in vain to hang onto him but just didn't have the car control and became ragged losing time over the following laps. Still I thought a healthy lead over Steve and the gap see sawed over time but was definitely coming down as the race progressed. I was sure if I maintained my current pace he would run out of laps before he could mount a challenge  and then I went wide at T4 again and he passed me while I recovered. Gave chase and held on to within a second or so until he put a wheel on the grass at T1 on the next lap and spun back across the track in front of me. Squeezing through I was pleased to note I had a decent lead of around 13s going into the final 6 laps or so although it came down to a little over half of that by the end. So finished in a lowly 7th but still 1 place up on my starting position.

See you at the Glen.

TTFN
John.

It felt good being back on the track amongst familiar names after three months away.

Minimal practise just prior to the race surprisingly put me in Q6. If I have a steady race, I thought, I could perhaps move up a place or two when some of the "top names" make the odd error and get myself ahead of Wiltshire Cured Tony, in his absence. That was wishful thinking and it didn't happen, of course. But I did enjoy swopping places with Jeep as we took it in turns to seemingly mistime our braking zones, with Jeep coming out on top towards the end. All this with Roger forever in my rear view mirror, waiting like a vulture for any opportunity to get ahead.

Congrats to Clive for keeping ahead (just) of Geoffers. The Geoffers/Ziu battle looks very much like the Hamilton/Rosberg tussle.

Sorry Tony, for likening you to a rasher of bacon  :angel:

Good fun race for me.  After the crowded start, I slowly advanced because of other driver 's misfortune.  Found myself 4 to 5 seconds behind Erling were I would stay for most of the race.  Would close a little on him and then the tires would heat up on the Mustang and would lose it again.  In the last 3 or 4 laps Matt appeared just ahead of Erling and I thought Ahah, maybe they will race each other hard and I can catch up and make it a 3 way.   Did gain on them but didn't have the tires to get into the fight.  
Hated this track at first, but after a while kind of grew fond of it.  Would make a great track for lighter GTC cars I think.  Beings that Trans Am was affiliated with SCCA in that time, I'm sure that is why it was used and the northeast part of the USA had good interest in roadracing back in the day.  Looks like a really tight race for the individual series champion between the two top guys!!!

Oh yeah, got to put a plug in for Geoff's series over on NoGrip .  Even if you are just a "for fun" racer like me it is a unusual format with a wide variety of cars you can drive at a variety of different types of tracks.  I think their were 14 drivers present, would be nice to have 20 or more like the old days in GTL.  Give it a look!

Bob M.

I'll second that, there are loads of desirable sports cars to race and a selection of new tracks.  8)

That's fine, we smell about the same

Seems like you guys had a good race.

Many thanks to Matt for undertaking the admin duties in my absence.  :notworthy:

Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Bryar 19092016)