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Title: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: vosblod on December 08, 2010, 04:50:41 PM +0000 In view of the problems at the last event we are going to test a different version of this track prior to the Works re-run on 19 December;
Race List = IGOR Server= UKGPL_T7_2 Race date = 10-12-2010 Time = 21:00 UK time Track = Riverside 1966 Variant = 67F1 Damage Model = INT-Long Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Race length = Long The track can be downloaded from : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=3059 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=3059) Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time This is an informal test race to see how the track performs and is open to ALL drivers and will not be passworded. Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: Hristo Itchov on December 10, 2010, 08:59:51 AM +0000 I just installed the track and did 1 lap. 1 because this is one of the worst made tracks I've ever seen and I couldn't bare driving around it anymore. It's so far off the real thing, so wrong in any possible way, that I don't see why we have to race this excuse for a track instead of just choosing something else. There's not a single corner or straight that has a correct length, radius, camber or altitude changes. Not to mention the uglyness of it all.
Seriously, whoever worked on this track and thought it's worth to be shown at public must've been heavily on drugs... It looks like he took the proper Riverside (the one that freezes) and wrecked havoc upon it by any means possible. So can't we choose something proper, does it necessarily have to be Riverside? There are a ton of decent tracks out there. Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: vosblod on December 10, 2010, 09:55:22 AM +0000 I just installed the track and did 1 lap. 1 because this is one of the worst made tracks I've ever seen and I couldn't bare driving around it anymore. It's so far off the real thing, so wrong in any possible way, that I don't see why we have to race this excuse for a track instead of just choosing something else. There's not a single corner or straight that has a correct length, radius, camber or altitude changes. Not to mention the uglyness of it all. Hands up I haven't looked at it yet.Seriously, whoever worked on this track and thought it's worth to be shown at public must've been heavily on drugs... It looks like he took the proper Riverside (the one that freezes) and wrecked havoc upon it by any means possible. So can't we choose something proper, does it necessarily have to be Riverside? There are a ton of decent tracks out there. Anyone else have comments re this track? No point wasting time testing something we can't/won't use. If the majority feel this way and are not confident the 'other' Riverside will stand up our normal procedure is to fall back on a Papy standard. As Silvy has been used a lot in recent times I would be looking at Rouen. We need to make a bit of a snap decision as the test is due to take place tonight... Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: EvilClive on December 10, 2010, 10:43:01 AM +0000 I had 5 minutes last night so I downloaded the new track and squirted out of the pit to see what it looked like.
Is it my imagination or are those sweeping esses down the hill different?? On the 67 track I was taking some of those curves flat in 4th, but last night I was struggling to carry much speed even in 3rd!!! That was as far as I got, before "duty" called so I have not seen the rest of the circuit, but from what I did see i was not exactly overwhelmed. Hope to join in tonight if I can , but looks like I will need to re-learn this as a new track if we are going to use it. Undecided Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: BadBlood on December 10, 2010, 12:20:04 PM +0000 Tim,
I don't like this new track but I don't carry much weight yet BUT we had a perfectly OK race in the Privateers on the original Riverside. Might it not be possible to re-run with the original track and fall back on Rouen if you experience problems in Qually? Just a thought. As for tonight, I'll try to turn out but my back is a bit sore so I'll see you in iGOR and see how it goes. Cheers, P. Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: vosblod on December 10, 2010, 02:04:33 PM +0000 I don't like this new track but I don't carry much weight yet BUT we had a perfectly OK race in the Privateers on the original Riverside. Might it not be possible to re-run with the original track and fall back on Rouen if you experience problems in Qually? Just a thought. Whilst the Privateers ran OK there were a few freezes in Works followed by a mass disco and it has turned up on an 'iffy track' list. I don't think it's worth the risk, would be galling to get 20 laps round and find it happens again.When the suggestion was made to try this version I don't think anyone had actually tried it. If everyone agrees with Hristo it really doesn't sound like it's worth wasting time on. Anyway we'll see what everyone thinks in chat - if this one isn't a goer we can just do a fun race tonight. Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: john roberts on December 10, 2010, 02:31:43 PM +0000 Tim ,
why don't you just scrap the Riverside race and run the replacement at the new sebring track , it's not know for any discoes and being "new" nobody will have an advantage by knowing it in 67 cars . http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6123 john Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: Tom van Ostade on December 10, 2010, 03:03:07 PM +0000 That sounds fine to me too. We could also race at Lime Rock Park Mountain Circuit, a beautifull track perhaps similar in layout to Riverside, and safe to use online.
Having driven a few laps myself I have to agree with Hristo this track isn't as nicely built as the original. It uses a low drawing resolution all round which is particularly annoying at the wavey straight where you essentially plunge into and out of the tarmac due to the low resolution of drawing. Also there's a piece of track floating in mid-air where the Nascar shortcut rejoins the full track. Tom. Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: BadBlood on December 10, 2010, 03:37:11 PM +0000 That floaty mid-air section certainly makes it different. The rendering at turn 8 particularly is appalling. If you drift off track there - it would have to be an incident, the wheels are not actually shown in contact with anything!
See you all tonight. Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: vosblod on December 10, 2010, 04:04:03 PM +0000 I'm happy to go with what you guys want.
The reason we usually run a papy track is to avoid anyone getting an advantage. Anyway let's decide in chat. Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: Ronniepeterson on December 10, 2010, 05:56:21 PM +0000 Just a Privateer so its your call but that new Riverside track is awful (inaccurate, bland, non glitch free). I would not enjoy dancing round that one for many laps, its strictly a disaster darling!
Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: Hristo Itchov on December 10, 2010, 06:53:49 PM +0000 Any other track but Riverside. Sebring or Lime Rock Mountain sound good, St. Jovite comes to mind too, but anything really, anything stable, decent looking and realistic.
Have you seen the last turn of this new Riverside? What a blasphemy... Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: EvilClive on December 10, 2010, 06:57:56 PM +0000 After last night brief excursion and the comments here I have just tried Riverside 66 again.................................definitely not impressed. :-[
I would rather risk a disco on the 67 circcuit than race 30 or so laps around here!!!! ??? I assume that this is a Beta circuit and that someone is working on the graphic glitches? because it just does not "feel" right. It may be more accurate a representation ( if I read the info about it correctly ) of the true circuit but it is not one that I would like to race on as it stands. Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: Hristo Itchov on December 10, 2010, 07:03:06 PM +0000 After last night brief excursion and the comments here I have just tried Riverside 66 again.................................definitely not impressed. :-[ I would rather risk a disco on the 67 circcuit than race 30 or so laps around here!!!! ??? I assume that this is a Beta circuit and that someone is working on the graphic glitches? because it just does not "feel" right. It may be more accurate a representation ( if I read the info about it correctly ) of the true circuit but it is not one that I would like to race on as it stands. I don't see how improving the graphics would sort out the core problems it has - wrong altitudes, wrong corner radiuses, wrong cambers, etc. Even wrong corner and straight lengths! Graphics is definitely the minor issue here. And no, I've watched videos of the real Riverside, I recall someone posted a race of the 60s with Clark and Gurney in it a month or two ago, and the track is much closer to the freezing 1960 version than this piece of crap. Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: vosblod on December 10, 2010, 08:13:55 PM +0000 Had a look at Sebring 67 and, if the majority want to, we can go with this. It doesn't really need a test as it was flogged to death online by the GT test team. It's also one of Ginetto's which speaks for itself.
So, depending on who turns up, we can either just do a fun race at somewhere familiar or look at this track. If it's the latter I'll probably bow out as I will be all over the place until I get a bit of offline learning in. Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: vosblod on December 11, 2010, 12:30:13 AM +0000 Sebring 67 it is then.
Results from the fun race at Watkins; Quote PRACTICE TIMES Pos No Driver Team Nat Time Diff Laps 1 16 Göran Jonsson67 Lotus SWE 1m05.251s 23 2 6 Hristo Itchov Honda GBR 1m05.596s 00.345s 6 3 18 Vlad Vosblod Lotus GBR 1m05.871s 00.620s 15 4 11 Fulvio Policardi Ferrari ITA 1m05.876s 00.625s 12 5 20 65 evilclive Honda GBR 1m06.146s 00.895s 26 6 7 Dean Logan Brabham CAN 1m06.205s 00.954s 6 7 9 Ronnie Peterson Brabham ITA 1m06.466s 01.215s 20 8 14 Zachariah Blito BRM GBR 1m08.724s 03.473s 20 9 12 Billy Nobrakes67 Brabham GBR 1m09.416s 04.165s 18 10 19 Paul Whitfield Honda GBR 1m11.278s 06.027s 14 11 8 Stefan 67 Larsson Brabham SWE 1m12.393s 07.142s 5 12 17 Bryan Coyote Eagle USA 1m19.777s 14.526s 2 RACE RESULTS (After 33 laps) Pos No Driver Team Nat Laps Race Time Diff Problem 1 16 Göran Jonsson67 Lotus SWE 33 36m37.475s 2 6 Hristo Itchov Honda GBR 33 36m47.685s 10.210s 3 11 Fulvio Policardi Ferrari ITA 33 36m49.475s 12.000s 4 18 Vlad Vosblod Lotus GBR 33 37m22.242s 44.767s 5 8 Stefan 67 Larsson Brabham SWE 31 37m00.374s 2 lap(s) 6 12 Billy Nobrakes67 Brabham GBR 29 35m18.957s 4 lap(s) 7 14 Zachariah Blito BRM GBR 25 30m02.321s 8 lap(s) 8 7 Dean Logan Brabham CAN 17 19m33.939s 16 lap(s) 9 19 Paul Whitfield Honda GBR 7 10m07.745s 26 lap(s) 10 20 65 evilclive Honda GBR 3 3m28.323s 30 lap(s) 11 17 Bryan Coyote Eagle USA 1 1m40.839s 32 lap(s) RACE FASTEST LAPS Pos Driver Time Lap 1 Hristo Itchov 1m05.148s 28 2 Göran Jonsson67 1m05.169s 32 3 Fulvio Policardi 1m05.540s 27 4 Dean Logan 1m05.819s 16 5 Vlad Vosblod 1m06.323s 8 6 65 evilclive 1m07.235s 2 7 Billy Nobrakes67 1m08.302s 23 8 Stefan 67 Larsson 1m08.348s 23 9 Zachariah Blito 1m08.758s 24 10 Paul Whitfield 1m16.117s 3 11 Bryan Coyote 1m36.150s 1 ON TRACK LAPS Driver Laps/Total Percent Vlad Vosblod (31/33) 93.94 Göran Jonsson67 (30/33) 90.91 Fulvio Policardi (28/33) 84.85 Stefan 67 Larsson (26/31) 83.87 Hristo Itchov (24/33) 72.73 Billy Nobrakes67 (19/29) 65.52 Zachariah Blito (19/25) 76.00 Dean Logan (16/17) 94.12 65 evilclive (3/3) 100.00 Paul Whitfield (2/7) 28.57 Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: Ronniepeterson on December 11, 2010, 08:35:43 AM +0000 Sorry to miss the race but at the start you all literally vanished off the grid before the flag came down??? Very strange. A connection problem at my end maybe or did I false start and thats what happens? Weird.
Title: Re: Riverside Test Race - Dec 10 Post by: blito on December 11, 2010, 08:38:30 AM +0000 Generally speaking i`d say i rather enjoyed that race.
One criticism i would have is that int long is a bit OTT for fun races.. I found that i had to use to whole 30 mins qual to sort out a workable setup and thus was half knackered before the race even started and by half distance was suffering with cramps and discomfort from my pedals. As for the race itself, well it was great fun battling with Billy Nobrakes, making my BRM uber-wide and lifting in awkward places to unsettle him from challenging too hard... then my pedals moved and i was off..... quickly recovered to battle with Stefan Larsson but after chasing him for a few laps i started to looses the feeling in my right foot so called it quits. So perhaps for the next fun race we can do something a little shorter? |