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Race: 20:40 (22 laps)

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Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: 2x
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I'm sure it's probably me but....

I can't see any of the cars for this series in the available car list when I try to enter the server.  ???

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks in advance

TTFN
John.

Hi John, I probably forgot to set something when I did the server work after last night's race. I will attempt to sort it when I get home tonight. Sorry if this has caused any confusion.

Thanks Tony, no worries. I'm off work this week and thought I would actually start practice early between "Honey Do's".

I'll check again later tonight. Alpine seems fastest for me around here but feels a lot slower than the Porsche or the Ferrari. (But the stopwatch says otherwise). Cobra is a nightmare, glad I've not any rides left in that.

Early days on default set ups (With just gearing adjustments) but just for fun... 2:14 in Alpine and 2:16 in the other 2 and 1:54 in the Chappy 2G. Very nice track, seems to suit these cars very well.

TTFN
John.

I think I know what I've not done.
@Matt - If your able to.............Can you restart GTL and for car selection choose all cars. That should fix it.

DOne. sorry to be tardy
(It was set to allow only TVR)

I will miss this one, as I am banished to Geordieland for 3 days.
Can't complain, this year I have been local more than not for a change.

Thank you Matt  :thumbup1:

Early race times with full fuel show Alpine with 2:17 and Ferrari at 2:18 but the Ferrari drives nicer. The Alpine feels a bit "floaty".

Thanks Matt, Tony, All works fine now.
You should try it after 18 laps with the tyre wear applied. Wear on the fronts is alarming. Like trying to steer an oil tanker. It's still my quickest option over full race distance though.

TTFN
John.
 

Have decided to drive the Por this time.  My top time so far is a 217.0 so far with fuel, mostly run 218's, but haven't found a decent setup for the car.  If I get it to turn in good on entry then it is twitchy mid and really oversteers on exit.  Hate to beg, but if anyone has a nice docile setup for this car would you mind uploading it on the game.  Tires seem to last very well at 2X, but I spin it more than likely on long runs.  Also haven't raced this track before so still learning the particulars and quirks.  Thanks ahead of time!!!!!

Bob M.

I'll email you what I've used when I get home tonight

Looks like John's sorted it for you so I'll sit on me hands

Hi Bob,
 I just uploaded a Porsche set up. 904_GTS_6_JEEP. Very docile, 4 wheel drifts are great fun, needs a bit more front end but should be easy enough to develop.

TTFN
John.

Thanks John:
Just tried it out and it's a  good setup, much better than my fumbled up one.   My down fall was way too much power and not enough coast in the differential.  Also had  too much steering in it which made it too touchy.  Now just have to do some laps to learn the track and should be OK.
Tony said he was sending me his, thanks ahead Tony.  Great bunch we have here!!!!

Bob M.

I wasn't going to as I felt that John would supply a better offering..........

I'll sort it out for you now.

Thought that I had better take a look at this new circuit ( well for me it is) and decided in a moment of masochism to try the Cobra........it quickly became evident just how stupid that idea was!! ::) So, tried the Porker with John's on line setup. It felt much better than the Cobra, but maybe I was driving it wrong ( probably!), but my best was a scrappy 2:17.

OK, so Fezza or that French tractor with a blowing exhaust?? Took a look at the races still to come...........with one of each car still to use I think the ring might require a "nice" car like the Fezz or Porker?? so I swallowed my pride and jumped in the Alpine with a slightly amended default setup ( more steering initially, then after a few laps I lowered the tyre pressures to get a better temp spread.). Like John said, it feels slow but the clock says different and I can't work out why it is faster than the Porker, which is much easier to drive??!!
I guess I managed to do about 15 laps before the fun police found me, with a best of around 2:14, but frustrated to be fighting terrible understeer mid corner and losing time when I wanted to get on the gas??

I've got a busy weekend ahead with decorating, plumbing and electricals so this might be my last off-line session before the race.............. :-\

Well, if I could, I would use the Renault for every race...  ;)

On a different, off topic note:  Did anyone find an alternative to Photobucket ?   Just received an email from them requesting an account upgrade, but they're completely deluded if they think a small, private user like me, is going to pay $399 a year, just to have a small handfull of photos shown in various forums.

Cheers,
Erling

Try here http://imgur.com/ (http://imgur.com/)  You can upload also without have an account. With account you can make an album

I already had an Pro account with MediaFire so copied my entire Photo*ucket content to there. Then after some digging, found that they offer a 3rd party file embedment service. So over time I will replace the PB content on this site with the MediaFire replacements.
I do not know if it is the same deal for their free service but could be worth a look?

Thnx guys; will give both a look.  Photobucket must be signing their own death warrant; can't imagine anyone in their right mind paying that much, for something that was provided for free earlier.  Of course they can't exist in the long by providing services for free, but fee needs to be reasonable, and not outrageous like now  ::)

Cheers,
Erling

It has been a while since we last drove at Mugello...  :P

Very slow - as usual - fastest in the Alpine.

I'll give it a try.

Replay and results now posted.

At three races to go if i watch the standings, well i should say that it missing me the points of Golden Valley because a problem with my G27 and the points of Gellerasen because i had an off line when i was second at 7 laps to go, so it s clear that without this problems the standings was different now, i know that not is nice say this but i used say the truth always. It mean that i m satisfied of the result got yesterday, against Alpine i did pole and fatest lap and the only reason because i lost the win is because on this track my Ferrari tires were on red zone just after 10 laps, if the race was on lap more than 22, well my tires exploding. Anyway i known this that here the tires were could be a big problem especially with the weight of Ferrari.
 

Grats To Clive, Grats To Erling and thanks for fun battles. My favourite for final win is Erling and maybe he is the only one can lose this championship.


I have a question for Clive :  How you could lost the Pole with Alpine ?

Rubbish night for me  :(

Braked too late for one of the turns and went across the gravel and hit the barrier damaging the suspension. Tried to carry one but car was not handing well. Decided to call it a day and quit. Still it was good to watch you guys having a good race.

BTW I do not think the tyre wear is modeled correctly on the Alpine. It is a rear engined , rear wheel drive car, so I would expect the rear tyres to wear more than the front's, but this is not the case with this mod. I will have to have a looksee at the tyre wear settings within the mod, maybe they can be swopped over?

I seem to remember it's the same with the porkas, the fronts slide like mad (with my "safe" setups)
and therefore wear more

 Grats to the finishers...there were not that many from what was quite a small grid due to absentees.

I was never really trying to get pole position because I was still learning the track and trying to understand the setup for the Alpine. For the first time in this car it was beginning to feel like it was going where I wanted it to go. All of qually was on full race fuel ( I even added a few litres just to be sure)  and there were a couple of laps where a 2:11 was showing as possible on HUD, but a mistake lost the time and 2nd was the best I could do.
I expected Ziu to be fast in the Ferrari and that I might be struggling to stay with him. plus John looked handy in his Alpine right behind me!! For the first few laps I was following Ziu and wondering why he was not faster?? Maybe he was waiting for his tyres to warm up??

Then I made a small mistake and ran wide dropping me to around 6th(?) place behind Tony. Instead of allowing the red mist to cloud my judgement, I ran behind Tony for one lap and looked for the best place to pass. Once I had squeezed through I set off after Erling and his Porker and found that he was lacking outright top speed, so an easy pass at the end of the straight ( not very often that one gets an easy pass on Erling!!).

Ziu and John were a little way ahead  and I started to close the gap until Ziu went wide and John escaped. Ziu was struggling on tyres and after a few laps I got past and tried to hunt down John. slowly I was getting closer until he ran wide at the final turn and in all of the excitement....I followed him into the gravel.....and so did Erling!!!  Ziu moved from 4th to 1st in just one corner!!
No damage to my car, so now back in 3rd and still John and Ziu to catch.
Closed the gap quite quickly because they were fighting over 1st place and it was interesting to see that they were both struggling for grip...or so it seemed.
I glanced at my HUD at around half distance to see if my chase back to the front had overcooked my rubber. Usually I suffer in the last laps because I have abused the tyres, but pleasantly surprised to see that things were quite healthy.
Once again a few laps watching Ziu and John before picking the pass on John and getting close to Ziu and his  extra wide Ferrari.

I could see that he was struggling for grip, but he was driving super defensive and considering how little grip he had, very quickly. Once again I watched for where he was slowest and there were a couple of possible places. Then at one of the corners where I thought I had a chance Ziu put a wheel on the grass and lost just a little speed....that was all the invitation I needed and I slipped through into the lead.
It was quite easy to build a gap and once I had 5 secs I was able to ease off and cruise to the finish. The only excitement was when I double downshifted into 1st gear at the hairpin and put the car into the gravel. That lost me 6 secs of my 12 second lead. but again I was able to regain the tarmac and stay comfortably in the lead.

The few small changes I made to the setup during pre race qually made all the difference to the handling and the Alpine was now a car that felt under control and settled.

As regards tyre wear Tony. At the end of the race I had the most wear on the front left, which I would have expected as I was leaning quite heavily on that corner through several corners. But that was only just into the red zone in HUD. The other 3 tyres were all just out of the red zone and looking quite healthy. I would estimate that I had used only 60% of the available rubber at the end?

I did notice in my offline practice session last week that stiffening the springs and shocks had quite a dramatic effect on the tyres. Initially I had all shocks at "1" and springs set at one notch up from softest and the tyres were showing substantial wear after only a few laps. Gradually stiffening the setup and compensating with the diff etc appeared to reduce the tyre wear, so I worked around those settings.

In my experience in the Alpine for previous races, the front tyre wear was alarming and resulted in some very unpredictable handling through the last laps, but last night's settings gave me a car that behaved perfectly right through the race. So, I think the tyre wear model in GTL is very dependent upon car setup in the Alpine and may not be fundamentally wrong?

@ Clive, regarding setup, you could be correct. I now realise that I had forgotten to set the dampers when I did some last minute tweaks so I was running on a hard setting throughout. This would also explain the cars desire to go straight on when under hard braking. My bad.

Clive, I not was waiting my tires warm up, just with fuel it was what I could get to my Ferrari. My best could be 13.3 on this conditions but tires abandon me too much soon. The second place is like a win here for me for this I said that I m satisfied.

Not so sure I agree on that - I'm mostly much too nice...  ;)

Bit of a mixed bag last night. Found the track technically challenging. Most corners & curves seemed to require a razor sharp turn-in - for me it was mostly "Don't turn in yet".."not yet".."arh damn, now it's too late"...   Earlier testing had shown it to be hard on tyres, so I picked the Porker, as it has some of the lightest tyre wear in this bunch.  Never liked it though; find it dull and slow, and yet it retains enough mid-engined malice to mug you, if you let your guard down.

Can't be unhappy about qual, as I knocked an unlikely 0.8 secs off my pb, but not enough to compete with the front runners.  Retained 4th after the start. Clive soon spun, briefly lending me 3rd. He was soon back, and as he said, made an easy pass down the straight. Next Ziu went off, and I again was 3rd. Like Clive said, he, John & I all went into the gravel together.  Swear I could hear Ziu laughing, as he went past and gained 3 places in one corner..

I rejoined ahead of Clive, but he just repeated his earlier pass.  Next followed some halfway lonely laps, as the leaders built a gap of around 5 secs, while I extended the gap behind me.  Later John went off, and shortly after mysteriously retired, gifting me 3rd.  Soon caught Ziu on his melted tyres, and for the entire last 3rd of the race, I tried to find a way past.  Verstappen would have been proud of his defense.  Tried to pass outside, inside, but to no avail.  I could have outbraked him at the end of the longer straights, if only I had been closer, but the grunt of the Fezza pulled him away from my anemic Porker, so all I could do was close the gap again under braking - my own tyres were far from pristine, so no way to both close the gap and make a pass.  Stayed that way till the finish.

Grats to Clive on the win, and Ziu for 2nd.

With a reasonable result, I had expected to grab the Championship lead from the absent Geoffers.  Hadn't foreseen Clive swooping in to snatch it instead. If he plays his cards right in the remaining races, he could very well be the joker who runs away with it all  ;)

Cheers,
Erling

First off thanks to John and Tony for giving me a starting point on the setup for the Porker.  Only left the gray path once I think.  Not a big fan of this car, it seems to be a "enertia" type car and I am not wired that way.  I am a early brakeer and try for a fast get away on exit.  I was willing to just finish the race but we had a low turnout and 3 dropouts so had  "too good" of a finish.  My drives in this car are over and I saved the Alpine for maybe NOS I think.  Anyway thanks for the race and see you all next week........

Bob M.

Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Mugello 17072017)

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Thanks Kurt, brave chap trying to tame Mugello with a Cobra  :o

 ;D - I was aware that it wont last long, but eventually I was able to improve my performance a bit with some new pb.

Sorry I sat this race out but I was completely knackered, been carrying a here today gone tomorrow bug for the last few weeks.  Also spent most of weekend preparing for grandson's stay with us for fortnight working in the area.

Probably will miss a few races in next couple of weeks!