Thanks for the comments guys. To be honest it is only the NoGrip League which seems to have any interest in P&G now, like here, few at GC seem interested either. I agree with Matt about the v3.2 update, I think GTLW would have spent their time better adding new content rather than reworking existing physics, I doubt it is going to see much renewed interest in P&G. GTL soldiers on because of all the extra content supplied by the modders & P&G needs something similar to happen to rekindle interest in it.