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Title: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 24, 2007, 03:51:34 PM +0100
Practice 1:20:00(10 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:10(10 mins)reserves may join too
Qual 2:20:20(35 mins)
Race:20:55(80 mins)note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GT2, GTC or GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.6.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Hockenheim GP
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Lower Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=61). Reserves (anyone without a full time spot) should not join until the stated session, regardless of the time.
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack and track pack (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 25, 2007, 09:28:21 AM +0100
Race postponed, initially for two weeks but actual to be confirmed next week. Sorry folks.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Jeffrey on November 13, 2007, 08:16:32 AM +0000
Will miss this as I'll be in Madrid for a week  8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Madd-RIP on November 13, 2007, 04:45:28 PM +0000
 8) and I'll be in Cyprus


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Finn on November 16, 2007, 08:54:00 AM +0000
Race is still set for 18th?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 16, 2007, 10:50:20 AM +0000
It says any xxx car from the skinpack, but does that mean I can't use any default skinned in-game cars?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on November 16, 2007, 10:59:10 AM +0000
Race is still set for 18th?

Yes, everything seems to be back to normal.

It says any xxx car from the skinpack, but does that mean I can't use any default skinned in-game cars?

No, it just means you will need to use a performance-ballasted car from our pack, but that includes all the original cars too.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: psuedo on November 18, 2007, 11:20:29 AM +0000
Excellent....Another Viper, cup car and Z battle on the horizon.... :jumpjoy: :fencing:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Kerr on November 18, 2007, 12:13:47 PM +0000
I will be here tonight. I just need to tweak the car slightly from the other night, it was mostly good.

Hopefully this time I don't get a disco.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 18, 2007, 05:49:01 PM +0000
Forecast -2deg C, hope we don't get ice then :o

But can anyone help me, I get booted from the practice server for possible cheat?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Joss on November 18, 2007, 05:53:36 PM +0000
Out of interest, how busy are these lower enduros/sprints normally?

Normally I stay put in my lovely Lambo, but had a go in the M3 earlier today - might do a one-off if there are spare places, but won't if it's usually v busy as I don't want to stop regulars from joining.  :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Kerr on November 18, 2007, 06:00:08 PM +0000
Out of interest, how busy are these lower enduros/sprints normally?

Normally I stay put in my lovely Lambo, but had a go in the M3 earlier today - might do a one-off if there are spare places, but won't if it's usually v busy as I don't want to stop regulars from joining.  :o

You should be fine as I can't remember it ever being full recently. Already of couple of absentees.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: psuedo on November 18, 2007, 06:00:37 PM +0000
Quote
But can anyone help me, I get booted from the practice server for possible cheat?

Everytime Morten?......have you Checked you have the right skin/ballast pack installed ?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 18, 2007, 06:10:26 PM +0000
Thanks psuedo, I downloaded and installed the skinpack earlier this week, so I would guess so. I guess the ballast thing is integrated into the skinpack, and it look like the skinpack installed uninstalled the previous skinpack.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 18, 2007, 06:28:13 PM +0000
I deleted all UKGTR skins, and downloaded and installed the newest skinpack. But still I'm called a cheat :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on November 18, 2007, 06:46:31 PM +0000
I deleted all UKGTR skins, and downloaded and installed the newest skinpack. But still I'm called a cheat :-\

Have you tried a few different cars? Sometimes it can take a fair few goes to get in if GTR2 is being awkward.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 18, 2007, 06:59:30 PM +0000
Tried two different cars so far, but still at it. But after one cheat boot, if I try again without restarting GTR2, I get an error message saying I don't have the correct track installed. Trying to reinstall now.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 18, 2007, 07:21:45 PM +0000
Well, reinstalled track, and tried a total of three GTC cars, but no luck still. Can it be something I've done with my .lr file, think I've only changed?isual settings.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Finn on November 18, 2007, 07:25:05 PM +0000
Have you installed the UKGTR track pack?

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.0)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 18, 2007, 07:30:56 PM +0000
Yes, multiple times. But thanks for trying.

I just tried to join a different server, with a different track, but still this unfair game called me a cheat. If "he'd" only would tell me what kind of cheat I've done.

What about innocent until proven guilty :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: psuedo on November 18, 2007, 07:31:49 PM +0000
You have got version 1.01 GTR2 patch in I presume?

Other than that....make a new profile leaving the .PLR standard and try that....at least you will find out if it is your .plr


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Paul968 on November 18, 2007, 07:35:38 PM +0000
I assume you mean v1.1?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: psuedo on November 18, 2007, 07:36:57 PM +0000
'0'......I hate it when it does that . :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 18, 2007, 07:43:25 PM +0000
Strangely, when I create a new profile, I can't see UKGTR in server listings, and the list is much shorter than normal. When I try to join any server I get a message about this car not being present on the server, but I'm using original cars.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: psuedo on November 18, 2007, 07:44:40 PM +0000
is new profile set to 'professional' ?
EDIT sorry 'SIM'


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 18, 2007, 07:49:22 PM +0000
Maybe not, but now I got in to a different server, but was booted as a cheater with the new profile.

Yes I have installed the patch.

I don't want to ruin your race, so if you're busy practicing, just consentrate on that, I'm probablyt not getting in today anyway by the looks of tings.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: psuedo on November 18, 2007, 07:52:43 PM +0000
If you are not on SIM...then the lobby will show a different list of servers....and you would be using the UKGTR balasted skin pack that wo'nt be present on them....Sorry to say though, if that doesn't work...I'm out of ideas.

Good luck Morten...hope you sort it. :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 18, 2007, 07:56:20 PM +0000
Yes, changed to sim, so I tried UKGTR again, with my fifth car, but no luck. Seams I'm labelled a cheater forever. Until anyone can help me with a new idea, I'll give up.

Have a nice race tonight.

Maybe if the host can find anything in some logfile about why I'm labelled a cheater, that would be really nice.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Adam Parle on November 18, 2007, 10:07:26 PM +0000
 :(

Another flipping missed race .... hope you guys had a good one.

Real life has had a habit of getting in the way this season.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: will16v on November 18, 2007, 10:22:39 PM +0000
Got disco'd with about 14 mins to go there, on what was a bad race for me - 2 stop and go's, misjudged fuel amount at stop and put too much in.

Ah well - grats to all who finished and to the winners of each class.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Finn on November 18, 2007, 10:28:05 PM +0000
Lottery podium for me with some aliens away but I'll take it. Close racing with Backo for several laps in the last stages although he was apparently on old tyres and that affected his times.

Grats winners and others as well.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 18, 2007, 10:39:39 PM +0000
Finally got in as you probably know. Had to un/install the entire GTR2 again.

The race went okay for me, hadn't though I would be able to race to the end as I usually wear down my tires to fast. Didn't quite find any tires to fit this temp, but still very happy with finishing the race. Went off a couple of times, and strugled a bit to let lappers by without loosing to much.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: picnic on November 18, 2007, 10:46:37 PM +0000
Replay and provisional results via the links above


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: DynoDaz on November 18, 2007, 10:49:15 PM +0000
Qualified in 4th but was soon up to 3rd when Brian was sent sideways at the hairpin.  

For 30 minutes I was under intense pressure from John, then Brian and then RoadRunner.  Great racing guys.  Unfortunate my enjoyment quickly came to an end when I missed my braking point at the hairpin.    Lost 3 places...

After the pit stop the race was a dull affair with no one to race with.  I managed to open up a 16 second gap on Simon, but there was no catching the aliens in front.  Fantastic pace FreQ  :notworthy:

Somehow I used far more fuel in the second half of the race and with 5 minutes to go I realised I wasn't going to make it. I managed to limp to the pit in 5th but came back out in 6th and that's where I finished...

I'll get you next time John ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Kerr on November 18, 2007, 11:01:19 PM +0000
Well done Freq super pace. As soon as you said you were coming along with the M3 I guessed the result, but you got the best out of it.

I wondered if you could. During qualifying your pace was well down, then it got quicker and quicker and you walked pole.

I had no chance anyway and things were made even harder after hairpin incident. Lost 3 positions and gave chase to John. Managed to put enough pressure to force a mistake.

I was behind Darren for a few laps afterwards and could not get past. He seemed to be struggling badly for rear end grip and had a few moments. They all seemed to happen at tight parts of the track and I had to lift off and as soon as I did that John was right on my bumper.

Shortly Roadrunner was in on the act too. The BMW had too much power for me and after a great fight, side by side for about 6 corners he made the extra grunt count. Great racing there, I'm sure it will look good in replay.

Roadrunner could match Darren on the straight and there was a braking contest at the hairpin. Darren misjudged and let me back through.

My tyres were worn and Roadrunner managed to open up 2-3 secs over me before pit stop.

I was too frightened not to add fuel. Thought I needed 98l but too close to call. Too often I've used more fuel second half.

After pit found myself ahead of Roadrunners thirstier BMW and 6secs behind Robert. Caught him and passed him and opened up a gap.

I went with soft fronts and once they went off Robert pulled me back in to make for an exciting finish.

One of the most incident packed races yet, it was a good one.

Great racing Robert, john, darren, roadrunner

Great wins freq and paul


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Joss on November 18, 2007, 11:02:51 PM +0000
That was a strange one! I'm normally a GT1 freak, but whilst installing the GTR ASD monitor thing earlier today, I joined the server and saw people practising for this race. I thought, "ahh, I'll have a quick drive in a GT2 car to see what it's like", and was complimented on my qualifying pace....I was quite embarrased as it was my race pace!  :-[

Car felt good right from the first lap I turned, I chose the M3 purely because I don't like Ferrari's, and can't get the Porkers stopped very well....rear overtaking front and all....and there's no other choice in GT2 other than the M3!

Race was very smooth and just tried to make a gap, as I thought I'd lose time in the pits - I can't believe how fast my front's went off though! 40 minutes in and I'm being told they're worn....I've got 20 more minutes on these flipping things!! The lappers were their usual polite selves :)

One thing I wasn't aware of is I think we've boosted the Sharks up the order in the championship fight! All for one and one for all!  8)

See ya Tuesday ;)

EDIT
I wondered if you could. During qualifying your pace was well down, then it got quicker and quicker and you walked pole.

Yea, I'd only turned a few laps in practise so thought I'd spend a bit of time on my race setup on full fuel. I was caught watching the start of Top Gear (mmmm) so only joined in Q2! Arghhh


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on November 18, 2007, 11:22:51 PM +0000
I was worried before the race that I'd come out of the stops to find the other GT3 cars miles down the road so it was a relief to at least qualify well ahead of the Ginsters' 811 and PR's Z3M. I was pretty surprised that Psuedo managed to outqualify me by quite so much but I knew my race pace would be much closer and I would very likely be more consistent.

Got off to a good start and we Vipers started building up a lead over the slower GT3 cars. Some of the slower GT2 runners rather got in the way by falling off the track occaisionally, but the good news was getting past Psuedo to take the class lead. The bad news was that with some 35kg more on board I was struggling to get the thing stopped at the hairpin and half expected to get tagged on the way in as I completely failed to make a brake from the pink Viper, so I was particularly susprised to get tagged on the way out and half spun. Psuedo waited for me (thanks) but I lost a few precious seconds in the battle to reach my narrow pit stop window and get out in time to stop the 811 and Z3M jumping me in the stops.

Kept pushing hard to half distance and dived for the pits. Stop went perfectly despite having to nip  round one of the Legends cars in a bay ahead, now all I could do was push hard and hope that SbG and PR came out of their stops behind me - and that Pseudo wasn't holding any jokers in his stop. Well, two out of three ain't bad - but Ginsters jumped me by a few seconds and by the time I caught him up my tyres were shot.

I tried in vain to get past during the last few laps but lapping traffic kept getting in the way (Munkez - many thanks for trying to stay out of the battle :-* ) - nearly made it by into the hairpin but Darren made it three abreast and I couldn't safely force the issue. To miss out on the win by less than a third of a second was frustrating but it was a proper sweaty white knuckle race. :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: ginsters sponsored on November 18, 2007, 11:39:46 PM +0000
I wasn't looking forward to this one. The Vipers are way faster and didn't have any other 811's for company. So what followed was a pleasant surprise.

Even though my times were way down on best, I qualified in expected place behind the Vipers but just managed to keep PR behind. Real nice time for pole Pseudo :). Race began with PR really heaping on the pressure but just managed to shake him off and keep up with the Vipers up front. Luckily they tripped over each other, a lot ;), and I concentrated hard on consisting lapping to keep in touch. They broke for pits first and Dave by either luck, or design (radio advice ;)), pitted just before the faster boys came up to lap us, which must have gained him a good 10-20 seconds. I pitted later and, without the need for fuel, I jumped them all but only had 4 second lead, thanks to his good timing, over Dave with 12 minutes to go.

What followed was just intense. I put in my fastest laps but Dave was gaining slowly and caught me with about 4 minutes to go. Under the pressure I made more mistakes in those final minutes than the following 75 minutes. Dave slipped past when I made a biggy but I managed to cut back inside for final lap lead. Last lap was mental with Dave piling on the pressure and I was being held up by Prof. Great fun at end and nice comfortable 0.2 second gap for the win ;)  

Faster cars showed real patience, even when I didn't want to give way, which was excellent. The GT3 cup is really up for grabs with 4 of us in with a shout. Roll on Sugo :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: psuedo on November 19, 2007, 12:00:40 AM +0000
I am pretty gutted really.  :(...had a good run in qually grabbing class pole by over a second. (Don't be too suprised Dave...even though it has taken many months, I am starting to get the hang of it  ;))

First half of the race went fairly well....Started slowly edging away from DG until I undid all the hard work by tagging a very slow moving RSR in the hairpin (sorry Will...didn't expect you to be so slow through there after the speed you had just passed me at.) Dave caught up again and then I let him through at turn 1, only because I wanted some practice at overtaking myself :whistling:
Followed him then no more than 1.5 secs all the way to the pit stop. Appologies for the hairpin incident..I saw that you were going round much slower and thought i was going to tag you on the way in, so I turned in a bit earlier but the understeer got me and I tagged you on the way out instead  ::)
Followed Dave no more than 1.5 sec then right up to the pit stops. Good battle, very evenly matched and could only have been bettered if I was in front  :P

I pitted the lap after Dave...and got a "Brian Kerr" style stop (sorry BK) came out 18 seconds behind  ???
Probably same fuel (75ltr) and 4 tyres, all pre set before race start, hit the pit marks spot on, nobody in my way, the crew started fuelling straight away as i turned engine off just before I stopped.  In other words..haven't a clue why I was 18 secs longer??

Second half of race was a bit ragged....didn't have any offs, a little bit of buffeting from lapping cars but nothing more than others would have had. So ended up finishing dead last in class, after setting pole and fastest race lap.

So as I said at the start....bit gutted really...thought I would at least get my first podium.

Grats to all winners and podiums.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Truetom on November 19, 2007, 06:39:16 AM +0000
Oh, Joy and Sorrow!  :(  My wheel is playing tricks with me again. At the formation lap start it was dead and I really don't know what I pressed to get the car going again. Same at the start - pressed the "limiter off" and nothing happened for a few seconds, then it was ok. RR slipped by that way and after he passed Shark it was as usual again, battle with Shark, close and safe.  8) Actually managed to get out of the pits earlier than him (now that's a first  :D ) and then managed to take RF wheel off at the pit exit. What a n00b!  >:(

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Don on November 19, 2007, 07:18:18 AM +0000
I drove my balls off for the full 80mins and it was only good enough to give me 8th in class :o
It was a fairly lonely old race for me once I'd made a mistake that let (the GTC'S ) of Picnic and Finn through, lost so much time in the pit-stops again ??? that I never got  close to any of the cars I was chasing in the first half.
The positive for me were that the car felt good and stable for the whole stint (even if I was slow) and enjoyed the challenge of driving the M3 round that track.
Well done to everyone who was out there I saw a lot of patience being shown and a lot of quick driving.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on November 19, 2007, 07:41:55 AM +0000
I pitted the lap after Dave...and got a "Brian Kerr" style stop (sorry BK) came out 18 seconds behind  ???
Probably same fuel (75ltr) and 4 tyres, all pre set before race start, hit the pit marks spot on, nobody in my way, the crew started fuelling straight away as i turned engine off just before I stopped.  In other words..haven't a clue why I was 18 secs longer??

That's strange - I took on more than 80 litres and 4 tyres, stop was perfect but I can't see where you could lose that much time even if your inlap was very poor. I wonder if there's an element of randomisation to it. Doubly so because I had 6 seconds of damage to repair!

The stop timer read about 59 seconds - what did yours say?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Paul968 on November 19, 2007, 08:22:34 AM +0000
I tested this after Brian's problems last time, and a good stop for 70 ltrs fuel and 4 tyres is 49 secconds stationary. If you don't request a pit then it is about 5 seconds longer, and I suspect that being out of your slot makes it longer too. There is also the time taken to press the enter key to accept the changes.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: picnic on November 19, 2007, 08:40:02 AM +0000
Pretty good race for me, another 2nd in class following on from the last one. I did a PB in qually which was pleasing as I had the extra 15kg of success ballast and it was again bitterly cold. In the race I was pretty consistent and it took much longer for Paul and Backo to pull away from me in the first stint than I expected. Backo making an early mistake and letting Don passed help there ;) Don made a mistake running wide in to the stadium section and let me and Finn through. They stayed about 2 secs behind me until Finn's early pitstop.

Around half way I suddenly found a Backo in range again, he had had some sort of incident/off and the 12 sec gap was 4, then 3 then 1. Seeing how loose the car looked I guessed at tyre issues and Backo promptly pitted.

Unlike last week I decided I would stop and take fresh tyres so I pitted 3 or 4 laps latter, no fuel just a new set of mediums. Came out 6 secs ahead of Backo :) A few laps later Paul pitted and after the stop I was 6 secs closer to him. Productivity bonus to the pit crew I think :) Sadly Paul, once he had warm tyres again, could pull away at a few 10ths a lap but my concern was could I keep Backo behind for 30 mins. I then made my one real mistake of the race, almost completely forgetting to brake as I arrived at the stadium complex. A trip through the kitty litter required. I was looking in my mirror waiting for Backo's Morgan to appear but over the team radio I heard he was having a moment of his own. My 6 secs was still 6. The next few laps saw us lapping at very similar pace but towards the end of the stint I think Backo was suffering tyre issues again and I started to pull away.

Congratulations to all the winners  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Simon Gymer on November 19, 2007, 08:50:55 AM +0000
It was a race to try and salvage something for me with 60kg on board. In TimeTrial I was able to do under 1:40 in qually setup, but I was 1.9 seconds down on that in the event with all the extra ballast. Knew I had my work cut out for me. I absolutely could not have got anymore out of the car in qually which for my efforts put me ahead of my closet championship rival TrueTom (by 1 place!).

Race got underway and it was pressure pressure pressure. I had to defend like a demon against Truetom. Whenever he looked like he was going to get a good run I was needing to take the inside line, but eventually he caught me napping as I foolishly let him take the inside line into the big stop 1st gear hairpin. After that he started to drive away, but traffic saw me close back up to within a second at the pits as we both decided to pit at the same time. For some reason my crew needed to repair some damage, but they seemed to do it whilst changing tyres so no apparent time lost and TrueTom went by my stall as I was being dropped to the floor and we headed out exactly where we left off. Unfortunately for TT, in his enthusiasm to get out of the pits he somehow clipped the tyre wall on the right of the pit exit and that was race over. I was laughing at the time (sorry!!!) but straight afterwards frustrated at what looked like losing my last chance for any racing in the second half.

After that I just settled down to my rubbish pace and slowly but surely John, who seemed to lose a chunk in the pits, caught me and with my 60kg ballast got past me with ease. Completely helpless to do anything about it in the same car with so much extra weight meant it wasn't really a fight, but a whimper.

I don't quite understand how I got 60kg ballast as I was third at Spa, but I guess the maths of the ballast system is just too clever for my own good. :( Anyway, it meant I had no chance to compete with the front runners and made the car feel like a lump of lead. I think the ballast is too much as it's supposed to make me compete not lose any chance at all. I would think you need to take 20kg off the top weight to make it have a more desirable effect.

Well done to FreQ on the win, gawd knows I needed the help with the team championship (it's hard to win that on your own, well impossible actually). Hope you carry on for the rest of the season!!

Well done to Paul and SBG for their wins too and Picnic for his 2nd 2nd place in a row throwing some Morgan Spice into the mix.

Can I ask how many rounds are there left? The table is confusing as Silverstone seems to be at the start and only 2 races after this one, so is it 2 or 3 rounds left?

I think at the end of the season we also need to review the changeable weather as real world weather in the winter is not what people actually race in, I don't think it's appropriate for us to be running in icy conditions, it's not Ice Racing! :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: psuedo on November 19, 2007, 09:01:15 AM +0000
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The stop timer read about 59 seconds - what did yours say?

67 mine if I remember correctly.  :-\

My in lap wasn't great...got caught by a couple of lapping cars in the arena that perhaps cost a couple of seconds.

I did request the stop too...shorly after the hairpin. spent a couple of seconds checking the pit board and altered the fuel from 70 lt to 75 lt then hit enter pretty quickly.

I suppose the accumulation of an extra second here and there during all aspects of the stop must be it really...just pretty shocking at the time when you think you have had a decent stop to end up being 18+ seconds adrift.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Kerr on November 19, 2007, 09:34:22 AM +0000
In defence of myself last round, I did nothing wrong. Why the team took so long is beyond me. Just very strange.

No complaints about pit last night. I was running with Roadrunner in his BMW who I jumped at pit stop but expected to anyway with his increased fuel load and came out with a very similar gap to Robert.

I did the same as always, request pit in and no problem coming in, I did however overshoot my bay slightly and lost a few seconds. other than that it was fine.

As for the temperatures I ran with soft front tyres. My right one never got into the correct band concerning tyre temperature for the entire race. It does also affect the lap times. I think I was about the same as Tuesday night but my car was actually a good bit quicker.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Simon Gymer on November 19, 2007, 09:38:37 AM +0000
As for the temperatures I ran with soft front tyres. My right one never got into the correct band concerning tyre temperature for the entire race. It does also affect the lap times. I think I was about the same as Tuesday night but my car was actually a good bit quicker.

LOL. I had to run mediums all round the M3. I was lucky to push 60 degrees on the right front, but the wear was still pretty horrendous considering it was a GT2 with mediums on it!! ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Kerr on November 19, 2007, 09:41:08 AM +0000
Got disco'd with about 14 mins to go there, on what was a bad race for me - 2 stop and go's, misjudged fuel amount at stop and put too much in.

Ah well - grats to all who finished and to the winners of each class.

You would not have lasted too much longer if you did not get disco. Your engine was smoking heavily and myself and I guess Robert would have been struggling to see as well


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Paul968 on November 19, 2007, 09:43:30 AM +0000
A race of 2 halves for me. Although Backo slowly worked his way up the timesheet in qual, my low 41 was good enough for pole. We had a bit of messing about on the pace lap as TT sorted his wheel out, but everyone sensibly allowed the right order to reform. Then on lap 1 Roadrunner went wide at T2, making life harder for me as he rejoined the racing line at the apex curb on the exit, and Backo got a run down the outside. RR then used his power to get between us, making it 3 abreast into the hairpin  :scared: I went a bit wide but not as much as Backo, who went off the track on the exit, tried to rejoin across the curbs but bounced off my 911 instead - I don't think either of us knew the other one was there to be honest. RR got past on the exit, and it was then solid lapping until I caught Morten going slowly right on the apex of the flat out right kink. This gave Backo the chance to close right up, and we then had a number of very close laps with me desperately defending against his slightly faster Morgan - great stuff  :fencing: In the end he had a spin at T2, which gave me some breathing space until the pitstop. Having started with full fuel I needed a splash to top up (this is partly why my stop was longer Pete + damage repair) and new medium tyres, which were not the best in the cold but were a safe choice in case it warmed up. I came out ahead of Pete in 1st (in class), who was clearly having a storming drive. The rest was fairly easy going as I edged out more of a lead and nursed the car to the end. I'm not sure why Backo was so much slower in the 2nd half - he was all over me before the pitstop but late in the race it was a different story.

It's nice to get the win and make up ground in JR's absence - I think it would have been harder work had he been around, despite the ballast. Congrats to Freq on a dominant drive in GT2, to Pete for a very strong 2nd in GTC (you seem to have got a lot faster recently) and especially to SBG for a great victory over the Viper menace  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Kerr on November 19, 2007, 09:44:59 AM +0000
As for the temperatures I ran with soft front tyres. My right one never got into the correct band concerning tyre temperature for the entire race. It does also affect the lap times. I think I was about the same as Tuesday night but my car was actually a good bit quicker.

LOL. I had to run mediums all round the M3. I was lucky to push 60 degrees on the right front, but the wear was still pretty horrendous considering it was a GT2 with mediums on it!! ;D

I was only about the same temperature, for softs, but I would think the front engined cars would develop more heat.

Wear was bad for me too. The front left was heavily worn, thing it was about 28,


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Paul968 on November 19, 2007, 10:15:53 AM +0000
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I don't quite understand how I got 60kg ballast as I was third at Spa, but I guess the maths of the ballast system is just too clever for my own good

You were on max ballast before Spa and still finished 3rd, which means an increase of +5, so yes, 60 is right. Freq starting with 0 as a newcomer is another 'issue' with the current system though.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on November 19, 2007, 10:23:36 AM +0000
I don't quite understand how I got 60kg ballast as I was third at Spa, but I guess the maths of the ballast system is just too clever for my own good. :( Anyway, it meant I had no chance to compete with the front runners and made the car feel like a lump of lead. I think the ballast is too much as it's supposed to make me compete not lose any chance at all. I would think you need to take 20kg off the top weight to make it have a more desirable effect.

You had 60kg at Spa and you came third which means you didn't lose any. It's not really rocket science! :P

Can I ask how many rounds are there left? The table is confusing as Silverstone seems to be at the start and only 2 races after this one, so is it 2 or 3 rounds left?

2 rounds left - Silverstone will be moved into Season 7 but I haven't set any of the series up yet to move them into.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Truetom on November 19, 2007, 10:30:10 AM +0000
Unfortunately for TT, in his enthusiasm to get out of the pits he somehow clipped the tyre wall on the right of the pit exit and that was race over. I was laughing at the time (sorry!!!) but straight afterwards frustrated at what looked like losing my last chance for any racing in the second half.

I was laughing, too, but it was kind of bitter. :(  The mistake like that deserves to be laughed at. I don't think I made this kind of rookie move even in S1.  :P 

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Paul968 on November 19, 2007, 10:40:29 AM +0000
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I was laughing, too, but it was kind of bitter.   The mistake like that deserves to be laughed at. I don't think I made this kind of rookie move even in S1.   

TT

I did the same thing in practice, which was a bit of a wake-up call. I was more careful last night as a result. Sorry toi hear it caught you out  :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Simon Gymer on November 19, 2007, 10:48:37 AM +0000
You had 60kg at Spa and you came third which means you didn't lose any. It's not really rocket science! :P

I'm better at swimming and eating than maths! :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Joss on November 19, 2007, 12:24:09 PM +0000
As for the temperatures I ran with soft front tyres. My right one never got into the correct band concerning tyre temperature for the entire race. It does also affect the lap times. I think I was about the same as Tuesday night but my car was actually a good bit quicker.

LOL. I had to run mediums all round the M3. I was lucky to push 60 degrees on the right front, but the wear was still pretty horrendous considering it was a GT2 with mediums on it!! ;D

I was only about the same temperature, for softs, but I would think the front engined cars would develop more heat.

Wear was bad for me too. The front left was heavily worn, thing it was about 28,

Same problem here. I couldn't get medium fronts to work at all (just understeered straight off...turning at the hairpin was a mission) so decided to run soft fronts for both stints. They went off spectacularly after about 30 minutes, but they were so much faster for those 30 mins that they were easily the right choice for me.

Even so, the front right didn't get out of the 60's  :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 19, 2007, 03:07:13 PM +0000
My soft slicks on the rear went fine, but my mediums at the front took a bit of wear. At least the left front. Struggled in right hand turns on old tires. Neither the front or rear tires got any heat in them, except the front left which was green.

By the way, do you guys use any kind of common audio chat?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Simon Gymer on November 19, 2007, 03:25:04 PM +0000
By the way, do you guys use any kind of common audio chat?

We're on the Team Shark team speak server as usual Morten.

There was/is? an SimRacing.org.uk one too, but I don't think anyone uses it.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: picnic on November 19, 2007, 03:35:30 PM +0000
There was/is? an SimRacing.org.uk one too, but I don't think anyone uses it.

I don't think anyone uses it, at least no one has complained that I've not set it up on the new server ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 19, 2007, 04:18:28 PM +0000
Thanks, just got the impression that people used a common one. Guess not then.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: John on November 19, 2007, 06:13:23 PM +0000
As simon said earlier,i lost a lot of time in the pits,i just cant work out why.
I started with 44 mins of fuel,pressed the pit request as i crossed the s/f line with one lap of fuel left.
Flew into the pits,made my stop and added 32 mins of fuel.
I dropped 2 places and came out 15 seconds behind simon.
I was also probably the last one to pit in the top 8.
I wasnt that far behind Kerr when he pitted.But when i pitted and rejoined he was miles away.
What am i doing wrong,i always seem to drop right down the field when i pit.
Any advice would be great.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Kerr on November 19, 2007, 06:44:10 PM +0000
I think everyone is running 100l at start of race John. Last night I only added 10l at pit stop as it was too close to call. Some races it's tyres only. Fuel is about 3l a second I think at pit stop. It means running heavier slower car for first half of the race though.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Roadrunner on November 19, 2007, 06:46:16 PM +0000
Do you use pit in request...cant remember exactly..but i think if you dont..there`s a bit of messing about and stuff etc from mechanics or summat that wastes time


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 19, 2007, 07:49:45 PM +0000
I started with 55L, added 45 in pits. Pressed pit req. just as I was entering pit, and saw the pit crew got ready as I got closer to my pit stall.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 19, 2007, 08:03:26 PM +0000
Replay and provisional results via the links above

I can't find the replay link :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: psuedo on November 19, 2007, 08:18:24 PM +0000
little blue menu bar at top....same bar as the 'home' button


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: MortenS on November 19, 2007, 11:06:25 PM +0000
Thanks, not the first time I've had problems finding something that was on this menu bar :-[


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: BACKO on November 20, 2007, 12:15:25 AM +0000
Any practice after I moved back from UK to Slovakia(forever), but race weekend I really enjoyed it!!! ;D I couldn't find right  setting for Morgan so 2 behind Paul968 I was happy.Good start and nice close fighting about positions,then nice close racing with Paul968,after my pit stop I came back but with wrong type of tyres (allways cold and bloody slippery) and also my engine life was about 84% so I decide save my engine.I was very happy to finished race !!!!! ;D,because my health of engine in last lap was 54%!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o .Very good race weekend and congratulation to top 3 each class!!!!Now I'm looking for next race!!!!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on November 20, 2007, 08:34:34 AM +0000
Got disco'd with about 14 mins to go there

I saw you warp for a couple of seconds before you went so things were already going wrong. You're also one of the people who is still overdriving a fair bit, I reckon if you slow down a fraction and smooth things out you'll soon start going faster...


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 18
Post by: Simon Gymer on November 20, 2007, 08:38:07 AM +0000
As simon said earlier,i lost a lot of time in the pits,i just cant work out why.
I started with 44 mins of fuel,pressed the pit request as i crossed the s/f line with one lap of fuel left.
Flew into the pits,made my stop and added 32 mins of fuel.

That'll be why you spent longer in the pits then John. I always take the hit of slower lap times in stint one by taking a full tank of fuel so I have less to put in at the break. Depends on the strategy, but in GT2 it gives me the option to run very long and even switch to soft softs for the final stint depending on how it's going. You have to work out whether you make more time in lap times by being lighter or more time in the pits from taking on less fuel.