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Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (30 laps = ~40 mins)

Track: Goodwood v2.0 (download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#msg54520))
Cars allowed: Porsche 911 RSR, BMW CSL, Ford Escort, Porsche 906, Ford Capri
Time of Day Setting: 17:00
Start: STANDING

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Looks like the Ford Crapi is coming out to play for this one....First praccy doing 1:20 ish. Any other times about?

Same here psuedo. Any idea why the AI cars are so useless at taking the first bend? At least one of them seems to slither off there every lap of a race.

Phil Gilliland

gutted, i will have to miss this one as got a works doo  :'(...oh well, free food and beer i shouldnt complain too much  ;)

Have a good race y'all.  8)

yeah Phil....Simbin forgot to put the I in the AI.  ;D

I find it's only the 906s that the AI spins when I race the track

the Pantera as well ??? ;D ???

Gonna take the CSL for this one, although i suspect the Pantera's will do well here...this is a fast track.

Pantera... have I missed something?  I'll be in me bimmer, running 1:20's so far, which will probably be near the back I fear  :'(
I'm off to the revival this weekend so this should get me right in the mood  ;D

Not in this race they won't, they're not eligible.

Phil Gilliland

I've specifically excluded the Pantera and Vette in the interest of getting a varied field.

Yeah, should be a nice mixed field, Capri should be quickest, then 906.  Can't decide whether to go competitive and take the 911 or have fun with the BMWs by taking an Escort......choices choices.  ;D  Gearing on the Escort is all wrong, either redline for several seconds (and I've blown several Escort engines doing that in the past) or ridiculously high top gear with no pull, which does put me off a bit  :-\

The track is fantastic, one of the most fun around, lots really high speed stuff and some nice braking deep into the corner, great buzz 8).

sorry for the confusion, had all GTC76 selected for offline praccy :-*

Whoops - i was racing against Pantera's the other night in praccy at Goodwood - sorry for confusion also  ::)

The way this track is designed will let you be ok as long as you don't come to a complete stop/spin, as it's a fast track. I have high gearing on my BMW, and because there's so many flat out turns and that, I rarely go under 3rd gear

What a wonderful track, just made for the Capri! It's nice to nearly hit the limiter in 5th in my little beauty! Got down to the low 1 minute 19's, absolute blast!

If Madd is doing low 1:19s, my lackluster performance thus far may not be to discouraging, yet.

I got your back m8, my quick time is 1:23:, if I don`t find me some speed without off-roading I`ll be racing with my eyes on the mirror in about 10 laps, when I see them coming I`ll honk the horn. :laugh:
but I doubt i`m gonna be close enough to you to hear me. :P

See u soon, KLM.

Don't get too excited yet.  I've hit the 1:18s a few times in the bimmer so I think an alien Capri may get into the 1:16s.  I find this track very unforgiving.  If you're slightly wide on the exit of a few turns there's nothing but grass, grass and more grass  :( :-[ ;)

GTL Rank has got a low 1.17 as the Capri Fastest, very difficult!......For me at least!

I've never driven the BMW before and I'm suprised by how much it understeer.  I thought Real World BMWs were supposed to be drift-fests?  Usually I just lower and soften my cars to the max and adjust the balance with tyres and diff until its loose on entry to help it turn, but to get this in the bimmer I've had to raise the rear up on stilts!

Yep, the Schnitzer BMW is an understeery mess with standard setup, dunno why (the less powerful Alpina is much more fun), but you need to stiffen the rear and really play with the diff to slightly improve it. 

With luck I'll be somewhere thereabouts to you in the Escort, had low 1:19s.  That's if I don't sneeze and crash, I've come down with a stinking cold overnight that kept me off work today  :D but hardly conducive to sustained concentration  :P

I've never once been able to kick my E30 M3 into a drift (nor do I want to) Real World BMWs Understeer when they're supposed to, and Oversteer when they're supposed to. On the Schnitzer once you do some minor Spring/Anti Roll Bar adjustments that car goes where you point it, it's amazing.

Game over for me after 2 laps :(I've been looking forward for this track.First bad start for me and then very close racing.I hit litle bit someone and pull him away sorry about that,then I wanted wait for him but some one hit my back and i went in barriers.After that start but my aerodynamic wasn't good and in first turn I've been spin a someone smashed me from track and my car was in flames.I didn't expected race like that :(

P;S;also I didn't feel confy in race,Dave know why.

Yep.....Both Team Pseudo drivers taking an early bath. :'(

I was looking forward to this one...I had enough pace for a reasonable position.

Quali wasn't great...doing mid 1:18's in praci but only managed a 1:19:2 putting me 9th.
Didn't have the very best of starts, got sandwiched in the first corner so backed off alittle to avoid an incident...then ended up facing the wrong way at the first left hander. Dont know if I caught the grass or got a tap..have to wait for replay for that...got going again near the back as usual ::)  only to find at the very next corner a rejoining car pulling back onto the racing line directly in front of me.. :o..slammed everything on and made avoiding action....straight into a barrier.
Did manage to get going again and although the car was pulling a little to one side, it was not too bad and started to make headway again....after a couple of laps I managed to catch up with the said car from the above incident....because it was recovering and pulling back onto the racing line directly in front of me !!!
Slammed everything on and made avoiding action....straight into a barrier. (sorry for repeating myself >:()

Tried to get going again for a couple of laps but the damage was done and the car was uncontrollable, so when the leaders caught me to lap me I realised I had to quit before I caused an accident.

Grats to podium

Had a ton of fun untill the first turn!!!
That was mayhem, I got spun and was being dictated by the cars around me - which luckily I don't think I caused any of them to spin - I managed to keep my car straight going off the track, but then a 906 Gave me a hit when I was lining myself up ready to rejoin, had to wait till the feild passed on by before picking it back up again.

Luckily BMWs are made like Tanks, and that didn't cause any noticable handling issues, was having a great race with some battles (I Think it was Bill in the 906 for 20th for a while) then I hit 13th place, was on my own for a while, made a stupid mistake while being lapped and dropped me to 16th, couldn't really get out of that position as my tyres were wearing thin, and I was making foolish mistakes for the last 5% of the race.

Had a ton of fun finnaly being able to race the BMW! See you all next week.

Psuedo - i think that was me - sorry m8...i had gone off on first lap into the barrier and car seemed to be pulling to one side, so was having difficulty getting the car in a strait line back on the track.
I think i pulled in front of you again  :o on the chicane just before s/f strait, but i thought i would have enough power and speed to get in and out, whilst you were slowing doen to negotiate the chicane - bad mistake on my behalf - awfully sorry Pseudo - totally take full responsibility for that  :-\

Dont worry about it Will...I've done similar myself when trying to recover. I know its not always easy to see and judge other cars speed etc...it's the nature of the game...just glad you didn't hear my language at the time though  ;D...

Very good race Madd-rip :alien:
Well done GS´s Baracus and assassino for podium  :thumbup2:
Qualified 6th (no practice at all), so i was quit happy, believing that thinks
might improve during race  :yes:
At start, i jumped to 2nd, before first corner  :eek: was there untill a mid-corner silly
mistake, assassino were faster and overtook me  :turned:
Then at lap 2, i saw ????????? approaching right behind, to that double right just before
last chicane, when i started to break, he got closer and i was scared for a highlly risk pass
from ?????????  :scared: i give room to him to the apex, but he couldnt break in time due is
very late break, so BANGGGGGGG  :no: i lost 3rd place to rejoin track at 8th (i believe)
So the other 28 laps i tried to recover, but only reached the 4th overall  :shifty:
Thanks to the backmarkers in a general way, but there is some that have to pay a bit more attention please  :detective:
Cool final 3 laps with Hammer making a huge pressure on me, thanks for your fair driving  ;)

Ofcourse i will not tell the name of the driver ??????????? because it was unintentional  :lol:

Cheers

Up and down that race.  Was pleased with my qually and didn't do anything daft off the start line .... I left that till later on in the lap and lost a load of positions.  I did however have a great view of Backo's accident as a result.

I managed to claw back a few positions before making another silly mistake and handing them all back.
Repeat the above line 3 times ..... and that's my race.

Was annoyed to get beaten by Shark - I guess you were still getting used to the track at the beginning eh?

Could have done better in qually, but started in a resonable position.  Off the line I went from 8th to third and was well chuffed and then on first left hander brakes were cold and went straight onto the green stuff and ended up at the back of the pack.  I then proceeded to pass a number of cars and can't remember who but they broke extremely early and caught me off guard and I ploughed into the back of them and off they went into the gravel.(many appologies). After passing a few more cars another error at same turn i think and that was me having to work hard to reclaim positions.  Came side by side with phil I think it was and he came off worse(hope it wasn't my fault will look at replay to confirm). From there on in had a few little battles on the way, main one with Madmac which was a lot of fun and hard work trying not to go up the back of him as I think I was a little quicker but eventually he was the winner(excellent stuff).  Another nice turn out and a lot of fun.  Grats to podium especially Madd, lets hope he has it out of his system by the morning when he is due to pick me up for work.(think I will take a spare pair of pants!)

If I have time I will do a vid. See you all next week.

Got a pb in quali which was a bit of a suprise as I'd thought I'd go slower online compared to offline (a la GTR2).

At the front it was close in quali and was expecting Assassino,Backo or Baracus to edge me out but managed to keep hold of pole.  ;D

The start for me was probably what helped me the most as I managed to eek out a little gap to Backo who looked like people were crawling all over him, keeping them busy  :).
It was just a case of trying to be as consistent as possible and I palmost managed it, I was a little unluckey with traffic as they always seemed to be when I was entering the chicanes or corners  :'( . But everyone was very gracious but I was caught out when someone lifted in front of me and contact was made, I do apologise most profusely as I was going to use the tow and get past before T1 , I'll look at the replay for that one.

Towards the end the tyres were starting to go off and Baracus was closing me down quite significantly, but then thankfully  :P he made a couple of errors and I could get the gap back to a comfortable amount and just finish...in 1st....  ;D  :P Well done to the rest of the podium, and to the finishers.

PS not a chance Ossie, I'll re-enact the entire race on the way to work!

Didn't really get to grips with the circuit till part way through the race tbh and by that time had worked out the BMW CSL was a bit pants down the straights compared to the others. I wanted to try out Morten's new painted BMW team car and it looked great 8), but really thought he'd done the Schnitzer not the Alpina. Could tell it was the CSL as it handled ok but wasn't very quick on the straights. ;D

Anyway, standing start was hairy with cars seemingly appearing and dissappearing from the off into T1 (if only the dedicated server did a formation lap so that the network niggles could sort themselves out during the formation lap not the first flying lap :-\). Makes me uncomfortable about the standing starts. Got off to another good one passing a couple of people but then under-steered off onto the grass on cold tyres (rookie error). Had to wait for nearly the entire field to come by and then the rest of the race was working my way back up the order. 9th was probably about my correct position in the end even without the mistakes I feel.

In the end I had the feeling of not liking the circuit and wish I'd been here for Monaco.

I think there should be a mix of standing and rolling starts. This track for sure, should have been a rolling start with that hectic first turn.

Grats to Podium.

Had a good start and surprisingly I got past a few people and was (very) briefly in 3rd, I think. However, being surrounded by Capris I couldn't manouver freely and it felt quite hopeless as Capri after Capri motored past on the long straight.

2nd lap was going okay, Baracus in another 906 looking for a way past me, and Capris ahead of me. Since the heavier more powerful cars were slower in the corners and faster on the straights, I found it a very difficult situation. Couldn't slow down to try and gain some room and momentum for the next straight as others were hot on my heels, but at the same time I had to slow down in the turns due to different driving style of the Capri in front. Just before the last chicane, I made a mistake that ended my race for podium positions, as well as BACKO's.

Very sorry for the bump BACKO, I tried avoiding but it was too late. Can't see a damn thing sitting in a 906 right behind that "huge backside" Capri. I had a feeling that you maybe braked a little early, but of course I should have left more room. Was a tense situation though as Baracus was sweating me from behind at the time, and I was sure he would have lunged at any opportunity to get past.

After waiting for BACKO to catch up, I had some good duels getting back up to 5th. Tailed Pribeiro for the last few laps, but I saw no chance of getting by. He just refused to make any bigger mistakes, no matter how much I hinted that this is what he should have done.  ;)

I have to say, with my meager skills, I found it very difficult to get past any Capri in my 906 at this track, even if 906 can do the same laptimes. So once again, I am in awe of Baras performance.

Not quite the return to UKGTL (after a summer break) I had hoped for, but aside from the bump I gave Backo, I had a fun race here. Thanks for organizing it.

That was a very interesting race!! I knew I was going to have to drive with my balls hanging out the window to stand any chance of keeping with the Crapi Fords and it was all a bit on edge.

I had another slow start off the line with my high 1st gear in the 906. Got swampped by loads of cars and went from 4th to 9th or something by the first straight!

Picked some places up due to others coming together and found myself in 3rd after 3 laps I think. The chase was on!! I kept getting faster laps and had a good benchmark to aim to keep getting but some laps I was loosing .3 or .6 on my best race lap. My teamie let me past after getting held up by a recovering car then I was hauling Madd in at a fair rate of knots. I wasn't sure if he was just taking it easy coz of his big lead, or i fhe was having backmarker troubles, or tyre troubles (as I could see smoke just ahead of me most of the time :D ) - When I could see I was gaining I really put the hammer down and got a lap waaay faster than my Q lap (getting used to the track too by this point - lap 15) - I was gaining on a 6 second lead by .5 or 1 sec per lap and was soon on his tail.

Coming into last turn before the last chicane he went a bit wide so I thought I would just use it to get closer rather than try a desperate pass as there were still a few laps to go but I positioned my car so that I couldnt see the entry to the chicane, went in offline and hit the wall on the left which lost me 2 seconds. Immediately after this I went off wide at T1 loosing another 7 seconds and it was game over!! Just lost concentration that little bit coz of major error #1 - leading to major error #2 in quick succession! Grrrr.

Were there start lights here or just the old man dropping the flag? 2nd race in a row I had to wait for cars to move before dropping the clutch :(

Anyway was a really fun race (having someone to chase ;P ) and although i'm gutted i made many mistakes it was a great challenge. Well done Matt and team GS :D

 :D Yes those WERE my tyres and I was just unlucky with traffic.

A-HA! (No, not the band) I was just reviewing the replay and saw that. No more awe from me!  ;D (Okay okay, you were a full second faster then I, so just a little awe, but very little  ;))

Anybody else having trouble with the replay?

took me 6 attempts to download it..for some reason it kept stopping at 70% and ending the download...I put that down to traffic though.

Now I have got it 100%...GTL CTD's during the circuit loading screen?

I already downloaded and reviewed some stuff fine. Give it another go tomorrow maybe.

For some reason the replays are showing up on the index page during upload - they only used to show up when fully uploaded.

Think it must be my end somewhere...just tried a different replay...one I've already seen...and same thing happened....just doing a re-install to try fix it....Thanks.

Glad I missed that one!

As for my race it was pretty dull for the most part, which was okay as my goal was to score some points rather than keep overdriving and DNFing.  Ran well up in the top 10 for most of the race as everyone else hurled themselves at the scenery  :D  :D  :D.  Had a great scrap with Mr Holmes and was very sorry to see him spin a couple of laps after he'd got past me.  I almost felt like slowing down so we could scrap again but... naah!  And sorry if I was a bit easy to overtake today but I just wanted to see the finish line!!!

Good..the re install fixed it... ???

I have to agree with Simon regarding the standing starts....they are getting a bit out of hand with some drivers seeming determined to try and win the race into turn 1...same last week at Monaco. :o

I personally prefer them to rolling starts...but unless people start showing a little more care for the first few corners I can't see them lasting very long and that would be a shame.

Shame I missed this one, leg just isn't up to it yet :(  I agree in a way with the standing starts, I prefer them but people need to calm down a little.  Far too much overdriving going on, that's all I'll say :P

I would say judge the track before the race to see if a Standing start will be to hectic. Then choose what would be best for a smooth start.

I don't mind Standing starts, however, I've always had a great reaction time on standing starts - which unfortunately - usually causes me to have to slam on my breaks because I'm about to rear-end the person in front of me :(

And although it wasn't to disastrous, it wasn't very pleasing or fun to have my race over in the first turn, not to mention the risk of me ruining someone else's race as I'm being spun into T1 :/

Another great race, had a bad start, latly i´m having lamme starts.

i knew the Capri icould be faster than the 906, but i spinned 2 times wich made totaly lost tha fight for 1st or 2nd.

The track requires a lot of concentration, and in the end my left hand was really hurting.

Also i had too mutch fuel on my tank.

We will not be having some rolling starts and some standing starts.

It's hard enough getting drivers to remember which they are doing despite it being in red letters in the announcement and even with the pre-race check-list I run through in capital letters from the server we still get drivers asking on the line which start type it is. (well one this time (you know who you are ;)), which almost caused me to false start typing in a response as I let go of the brake!  :o) ::)

We will continue with standing starts for the rest of the season and then it will be reviewed, but so far I'm not happy with them so they need to improve. As I said some of it is down to the networking code needing time to settle the cars from the start as it's the biggest part of the race that has lag or warp or dissapearing/appearing cars and it's the most critical time to have stable cars.

True, because I think it was you I almost rear ended off the start today :(

In my wisdom I selected the Capri RS2600 (yep the Brown Capri). In practice and quail it performed really well.  Managed a 1:20.5 for quail which was good for me - new track & in a car I rarely drive.

My race started OK, some of the faster dudes went off so I peaked at position 12th or 13th? I was taking it relatively easy 1st lap & all, when a RS3100 rear ends me – this sends me off into a barrier > oh well ***t happens.  I quickly recover but car is pulling to one side slightly…still have 30’ish laps to drive :(

The RS2600 puts up the best fight it can but is simply out-gunned by every other car, plus I made too many mistakes......

Shame bout the damage early on as the RS2600 seemed so suited to this track.

grats to Madd-RIP  ;D

Hi

Firstly can I say something about the starts? Yes standing starts cause a lot of confusion and sometimes carnage. However they do give the slower guys a chance to get a good start and actually get into the race proper now and again. I had have been racing on No Grip for about nine months now and in their Sunday races with the regular drivers there isn't much of a problem with the starts. The standard of driving on here, even from the slower guys, is far superior to the standard on No Grip so I think all is required is a bit more discipline from all of us and everything will be fine.

Secondly, thanks for your apology Kevin Mallender, but there really was no need. Everybody has to learn and that class of car is not the easiest to drive! It's also not as easy driving at the back of the pack as some of these fast guys think it is! Because of some health problems I have spent my entire online career starting at the back!

Thirdly I would just like to say thanks to everybody for the fairness and general excellent quality of driving. That is three races in a row where I haven't been hit from behind, pushed off by an impatient lapping driver or had headlights flashed at me because I won't move out of the way half way through a chicane! The standard of driving on here really does make it so much more fun.

Now, to the point, the race! Qualified 16th and took advantage of the mishaps on the first couple of laps and by lap 7 had got to the dizzy heights of eighth! Was soon overtaken but was pulling away from tenth place so thought I could get my first top ten finish. Then got carried away, stuffed it into the gravel and came back on around 12th.

The middle part of the race was just trying to catch up then around lap 20 Ossie appeared in my mirror. The rest of the race was a battle with him and it was great. He did overtake me only for Kevin to have his mishap and hit us both by mistake and I got the position back. But he was much quicker and I had to rely on keeping a very tight line to keep him behind me. The fact he never hit me once is testimony to his great driving. Unfortunately he then got tied up with lapping cars and dropped back a bit with a couple of laps to go.

So I acheived what I wanted, another finish and once again in the points! I don't have any chemo next week so should be well rested for Crystal Palace and hopefully can finally get that top ten! Cheers everyone, see you next week.

Peter

I enjoyed that one too, good few laps of dicing.  You weren't too easy to overtake, no real mistakes, just the Escort having a little more low-speed acceleration.

Again enjoyed the start, think I was 7th or 8th after first corner from 14th grid slot (another utterly hopeless qualifying that sapped confidence), just drove cleanly round the outside.  Started getting into the race then, found myself 4th for a good few laps (after several incidents near the front) while I settled in and found some reasonable speed, but not enough to keep Mike Hammer's 906 behind, didn't see the point in being rude so I tried not to block...and he ran off track a short time after passing me anyway  ;)

Then I managed to spin it the first time and fell to 7th or 8th, just never found any confidence through the final chicane, kept bungling it as I tensed up.  Then after Hammer got by (again  :P) I had the nice battle with John Kingham's tank of a BMW, then I managed to bungle the chicane again and spin for a second time  :'(

Never mind, considering how under the weather I felt, I guess 8th was okay, but the shame of being lapped 2 corners from the end, if I'd know you were on your final lap Madd, I'd have kept you behind me, and completed the full race distance  :D

Back to the TC65s next week, hooray.

You'd think that the person in question would be paying more attention to the pre-race announcements .... amateurs eh!?

I don't know how they live with themselves.  ;)

I like the fact that this GTR manager allows the server to give automated information and instructions prior to the race start...but would it be possible/feasable to do it either before or after qualifying?

I actually found it a bit distracting just at the end of quali when I was trying to put a final quick lap in.

There's no warmup in GTL to do it in and the countdown is only 30 seconds - the admin drivers are usually busy preparing for the start themselves!

Yes my apologies, however, as Gizmo says there is no warmup session possibility in GT Legends where these messages should be sent. I don't even think there is a Q1 and Q2 in GT Legends where you could use Q2 as a "dead" session for pre-race announcements etc.

Seeing as the Escort is so twitchy I'd have thought I was doing you a favour and letting you finish early!  :D

Thanks for your kind words about my driving but I don't think it was that good. 

That was one of the best battles I have had for a long time.  Extremly enjoyable thanks Madmac.  Lets hope we can have a few more.

I have just started the vid by the way.

Had a great race, for the short time it lasted. I wasn't at Monaco but I did read the reports and I thought the advice about taking it easy on the first lap was good advice, so I sat back and tried not to pass anybody who wasn't either spinning or green-laning. Only problem I had on the first lap was going into the first left-hander there was so much smoke I couldn't see a thing and wasn't sure if I'd emerge out the other side of it  :o. After a couple of slight offs settled into a nice pace, had a little battle with Keith who was actually driving faster than me but in the lower-powered Capri, so I got past him on the straight. All going well until lap 7 when I had a "myopic moment", failed to see Ossie alongside me in a bend and nearly took us both out - sorry mate. As I roared towards the tyre wall I pondered how long I'd be spending in the pits to get this lot repaired. Never got the chance to find out because the almighty CRASH! was followed by a deafening silence. "Suspension" it said but I doubt there was much engine left after that.  ;D

Enjoyed the replay, some great racing. See you all Crystal Palace.

Phil Gilliland