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Season 29 Privateers Trophy - Round 01 - Watkins Glen

For the first round of the Season we go to Watkins Glen, New York. Watkins Glen International (nicknamed "The Glen") is an automobile race track located in Watkins Glen, New York, at the southern tip of Seneca Lake. It was long known around the world as the home of the Formula One United States Grand Prix, which it hosted for twenty consecutive years (1961–1980), but the site has been home to road racing of nearly every class, including the World Sportscar Championship, Trans-Am, Can-Am, NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, the International Motor Sports Association and the IndyCar Series.

The circuit is known as the Mecca of North American road racing and is a very popular venue among fans and drivers. The facility is currently owned by International Speedway Corporation.

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP = see iGOR
Race date = Sunday 04-10-2015
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus Original
Race length = 45 Laps (50 minutes)
Variant = 1967
60fps patch used   = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 30 minutes

Replays Available here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season29/Grads_Privs/)

Driver lists and token rules can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=510&theme=6)

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

This Season we don't have a Red Zone. Moderating will be on reported incidents only. If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

The chassis token system is explained on the Privateers (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=510&theme=6) standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Gents

We might use my server (UKGPL4) for this race so that Axel doesn't have to start UKGPL8.  It all depends on reliability.  UKGPL4 has worked fine in pre-season testing but there is nothing like a genuine league race to stress the server and highlight any problems.  Please be ready to join either server tonight when you join IGOR chat.

I've set UKGPL4 up on a continuous loop today so if you get an opportunity please join the server to confirm you can connect OK with minimal latency.  Any problems please post a message on this thread.

Regards

Phil

I upgraded to W10 a few weeks ago and am now having some problems with GPL:

-   when I launch GEM I get the message  -'Unknown message for fatal error'
 - GPL doesn't recognise my G25 wheel though I have installed the latest drivers and it works OK with other games

I've reinstalled GEM 3 times and tried various compatibility setting to no avail. Similarly with the Logitech software.

Hopefully I'll be able to sort it out before tonight's race.

No problem joining, good latency and quality!

But I can't see the ping in IGOR ::)

Thanks Axel
The GEM problem is now solved  - I had the settings as recommended but was opening the application with Run as Administrator which was causing the problem.
The G25 problem remains however. I have tried another wheel (an MS Sidewinder) but with the same result depite the fact that it is also recognised in Devices and works with other games.

This is really weird since I've been using the G25 for several years without any problems but now GPL simply doesn't recognise it. I've tried different USB slots as well as various compatibility settings and the Logitech profiler.
I can only assume that W10 is in some way responsible but I haven't heard of  other G25 users having these issues

Thanks Axel, good to know.  I was a bit worried as I had a clock mismatch which meant I set a ridiculously fast time in testing which I will have to delete from the server. 

Not sure about the ping.  I have got it enabled in IGOR and I think I've got the right port open, perhaps something to resolve later.

It would be helpful if you are around later and had UKGPL8 on standby, just in case I have problems.

I seem to warp a lot on your server Phil, like a bandwidth mismatch!? Maybe it's just a bad router in between...

Yes something is not quite right.  I think it might have gone wrong when I joined via LAN.  So I've set the LAN BW settings in core.ini to be the same as "net_mdm" settings.  Hope that will help a bit but I did have "override core.ini" selected in IGOR so it shouldn't matter should it?

Something is wrong with UKGPL_4 atm, I have bad fps ~43 in pits and ~50 on track and lots of warp!
On Jethros and mine I have rock solid 60fps!

I will set UKGPL_8 up for security!

UKGPL_8 is set to WG 45 laps and ready ;)

Thanks Axel! :)

@ Phil: I'm sure it has to do with the bandwidth setting...but also had framedrops at the pit area...

Just logged on to UKGPL 8 successfully.  Thanks Axel. :)

Well, my 1st experience with running two races in a row between F1Legends and UKGPL doesn't look too good. I had 15 minutes left to practice with the Brabham after racing with the Lotus at Zandvoort.
I had braking problems and couldn't fix them in time to get a decent lap time but being last on the grid when you have limited ambitions has its own charm, right ?  I still managed to be surprised when I got into the loop and hit the car that was before me.
Sorry for being such a nuisance. I'm willing to pay for my mistakes but nobody else should have to share the bill.
From now on, I'll stick to one race per day.

Ok the smoke at the 35th lap but also an explosion at 37th seem misfortune.
Good battle with Nilson,without his error was impossible to overtake a Ferrari with a Cooper.

Great result for team SB's,  pity Mike got left out and hope you get your connection problem sorted soon matey .

My own race fell apart about 25 times , playing swings and roundabouts with Dave C and Billy , think it was a competition to see who could cut the most grass before end of race  :)

Not sure about the contact we had at 1 point Dave not looked at the replay yet but think I could have been guilty of a bit too much road rage  :)

Pierre, I've reported the incident so the moderators can have a look at it.  More from a lessons learnt perspective than anything else.  Thankfully the incident didn't appear to damage my car so no harm done.  Worked my way back up to second place thanks to a few crashes and Fran's broken Masserati engine (unlucky Fran but are you speed shifting?) which was the best I could have expected.  There was no way I was going to catch Philippe, well done PG.

Yes but if Fran's engine had held together Antipasti would have trumped the soggies  :P

Life is full of if's , but sorry to here Fran trashed his engine  ;D ;D ;D

Good to get back into league racing again.

Race was going to plan until about half distance. I'd been tailing Ronnie for a few laps looking for a passing opportunity - going round the outside through the loop wasn't it & I span out. After that it was a scrap for the middle order places with Bernie & Dave C. Swapped a bit more than paint with Dave turning into the loop. Looked like he had reasonable overlap but had to brake earlier - being on the inside. I thought I could keep in front but there was contact when I turned in. One of those things. Crossed the finish line a few yards behind Phillipe - but a lap down rather than second place.

My first race for the Soggies, and my first full season return for over 10 years.  I managed to put the Ferrari on the front row, just .03 seconds behind Philippe in the Brabham.  However, in my excitement, I made a fatal click and forgot to choose my setup, ending up on the grid with the standard setup and enough fuel to get to Mars.  ::)  It really was damage limitation from that moment on.  I got the jump at the start, nearly lost it in the esses, and was promptly passed by Philippe, who disappeared into the sunset.  Even if I'd had my setup, I would never have caught him - great drive, mon ami.  :)

I ploughed on in my petrol bowser, having a great race with Billy in the Brabham, whose downshifts sounded like the snorting of an enraged bull.  Lap after lap I managed to hold him off, but my front left was getting red hot. Fortunately for me, Billy came a cropper.  Next up to challenge me was Francesco in the Cooper.  Again, we had a Titanic stuggle for a number of laps, but my boiling front left meant my speed in the Loop was too slow and he eventually got by me.  A few laps later, I heard the horrible grinding noise of an H-16 in the shape of Phil.  A few laps later, he was past me too - brilliant drive, mate.

At this point, my dreams of a podium were shattered, but then Fran's engine blew up, and I was up to third again.  With two laps to go, I could hear the roaring of a V12 again, and a Honda appeared in my mirrors - thankfully, too late to overtake me - another couple of laps and he probably would've done.  I finished with 58 laps of fuel still on board!! ::)

So, a podium on my return!  My wife and children lifted me aloft their shoulders, my leg burned from the hot PC casing.  No champagne in the house, but the wife's bottle of Lambrini sufficed, and I sprayed it all over the lounge - earning a rebuke, obviously.  ;)

P.S. Nobody rammed me up the arse!  Result!!!  ;D

Oh dear; a bit of a shambles that one.  Makes the England rugby team look good!  [we were there for that;  should have stayed at home!]

A rearranged Sunday schedule meant no practice/qually time & nearly didn't make it at all.   What with also being rusty & 1st event of new season - probably not a good combination for 67F1...

Yes, apologies Billy.   It seemed worth a look at the inside line a couple of seconds earlier...  but once there;  thought better of it & tried to back out;   but just locked up & slid into you as you were making your own way round the outside.   I'd like to think that I'm normally better than that at following you around for lap after lap...   Shame, it otherwise looked as if we were both looking good to close in on Bernie for a bit of a scrap.


Bernie, I have some of your suspension & I think you have some of mine?!  We'll have to swap in time for the next event; failing that  or just scrap the mangled junk.  I think we were both locked up for that one.

The loop seemed a bogey corner for be tonight; after too many bumps had a car that didn't seem to like turning right & LR tyre spent most of it's time in the red.    Still,  good to be back!

Cheers all,
Dave.

It would not have made any difference;  I was a lap down :) 
 - although I really mean  :(  !

Cheers,
Dave.

What do you mean with speed shifting?I use an H ACTlabs with cluth as shifter.This time i think that is mainly misfortune.
There is not also a random damage?The smoke from the engine i think was so.The second explosion ,after only 2 laps,is without explanation excluding misfortune.

The Brabham does seem to suffer from random engine failures quite often, I have noticed.  Another reason to hate that horrible twitchy car!

Does 60FPS double the chances?  :/

Duh, what am I talking about?  Fran was in the Cooper, not the Brabham.  ::)

Speedshifting means changing gear with the accelerator still pressed, causing over-revving.

I thought it meant eating your pudding in less than 5 seconds  ;D

it is possible that during the pursuit of your car I was less careful about this,but i don't know.
Anyway the second seem gratis.

Yes it does.

When I used a paddle shifter with automatic clutch I hardly ever over revved the engine (and very very rarely had engine problems) because it is quite easy to time a slight throttle lift with a flick of the paddle.

Now I use a H-Shifter with manual clutch (G25) it is a whole lot harder. Using heal/toe with my right foot to trail brake constantly into a corner and lifting the throttle momentarily whilst using my left foot to dip the clutch and changing gear on the H-Shifter at the same time is difficult to say the least and that means I quite often get it wrong.  That means I either over-rev the engine by mistiming the throttle and clutch or, miss a gear (and hence over-rev by applying the throttle when I'm in a false neutral) by mistiming the clutch and the gear selection.  Since I've started using a manual clutch I've blown up a lot of engines (mainly the 69x McLaren).

Fran,
When you say you are using a "H ACTlabs with cluth as shifter" does that mean you are using a manual clutch?  If so you are probably having the same difficulty timing the clutch as me.  If not you are just not lifting the throttle enough when changing up.  I've had a look at the replay from your in-car view and it does look like you are not lifting the throttle enough when you change up.  Your rev counter always jumps a bit when you change up a gear. Have a look at the replay from my in-car view and you will notice I hit maximum revs before changing up a gear and then the revs drop down smoothly, the revs don't momentarily jump.

Unlucky Ronnie.  I've done something similar in the past, I've started the race on qually fuel only to get 3 or 4 laps in and run out.  No good in a PRO race!!!

Yes,the problem,in my opinion,is that when i release the  gas there is no enough "neutral" zone.I mean that when i touch the gas i have immediately power,well distibuted.So well distributed that i can have a good control of the power but since like in the real car you don't remove the foot from the pedal i do the same here but,probably, is not enough.
I need a 0 power a little bigger but is not possible to set this with program ,must be done mechanically.I i do mechanicaly mean to move the potenziometer but in this way i lose the maximum power.
I use an old Faster Pedal,no more in production.

I understand now.  I only have to move my throttle less than a centimetre to drop the revs.

A few years ago I had a Thrustmaster Wheel with a broken throttle potentiometer that would not zero.  When I got a new wheel my lap times actually went up. Apparently it is good to have a bit of throttle on in heavy braking as it helps to steady the car. 

Fran , have you tried calibrating your pedals from inside GPL game - options - calibrate ?

I have to do this for every time I join a race otherwise my gas pedal is over sensitive , might be worth you trying  :)

Bernie same here, when entering, but I do in pits push full throttle and brake and this makes it  ;)

Ahhh ! so that's the GPL go faster secret , don't tell anyone else though Axel  ;)

I must check if there is the possibility to set the gas with GPL-shifter.For the clutch there is the possibility to set the sensibilty.In this way if you push the clutch only 50% is like a 100% and this reduce the possibility to fail the gear.

Hope you get the clutch sorted Fran.  Antipasti may be the only 100% manual clutch Team in the Privateers.  Now that deserves some respect  :notworthy:

Yes, also becouse reproduce the driving of the era that was not so easy like a paddle or button driving.
More ore less i have lost 1sec per lap on shorter track like Monza from paddle to manual H gear+clutch.

Respect to you.  I don't use paddle shift, but manual stick, for more realism, but I only have a 2-pedal setup.  There's a post on SRMZ which details how it was in real life - double declutching, heel-toeing, etc. A different world.

I'm getting old and senile now so starting thinking about automatic box or maybe go chauffeur driven  ;D

good result for me glenn I love this circuit and kyalami and Monza. :angel:
I think if ronnie has a good setup, good fight on the track, but ...
the next time ? ;)

I used 15 tokens, so next time, I'll be in the Cooper or Honda!

Not necessary, you could use Brabham or Ferrari !

20-15 = 5 tokens after Watkins Glen

5+10 = 15 tokens before next race.

Yep... but I'm saving up to use the Lotus at my favourite circuit.  ;)

Mod report is up. Thanks to the other mods for the help, also thanks to the drivers reporting.

Thanks for the moderation;  apologies for the additional work.
Hopefully, that's enough mentions of me for a while.

Cheers,
Dave.

thanks Robert , good report there  :)