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Back to the UK for the next races and an old favourite, Snetterton.

The F2's go well here and with the horsepower available to the Lights limited it will require some serious work around the twisty bits.

I cannot recall racing the 69x's around here so that should be a lively race and once again the Lights are going to have to work hard.
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A single Shift R is allowed but no SnG is required.


Race List = IGOR
Server = TBA
IP address =TBA
Race date = 14-2-2014
Race time =   Race 1 starts at 21:05 UK time
Qualifying time = minimum 15 minutes, starting no later than 20:45 UK time
Track =Snetterton
Variant = F2 (18 laps) and 69x (22 laps)
Damage Model = INT
Race length = see above
Password: see above
Replays Available here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season26/Friday/)


F2s               Heavies                                                     Lights
                   Free Choice                                          Ferrari, BT14

69x              Free Choice                                         Lot49, BT20, BT24, Cooper T86B, Eagle AAR101    


Red zone will be to the exit of The Bombhole on lap 1

I'll try to make this one as well, should be fun :) .

Just a side note but I noticed in my client replay of the 1969 Lime Rock Park race that I could see the entire field (I think there were 17 cars?). I actually prefer it that way, adds to the realism imho, but thought I saw a couple cars warp more than usual, although I'm positive my own warping was limited. Could it be there is a significantly increased strain on client connections with a full grid, so some clients warp more? Not that the warping was that extreme, just something I'd never seen before, all cars in a client replay :) .

Once again I suggest to avoid the cars of the lights from the choice of the heavies otherwise these groups have no meaning !

I doubt any Heavy will take an F2 Fez or BT14, or a '69 wingless car though.

i see the matra has been removed, damn.  :laugh:
oh for a red bull. I need wings.

 ??? ??? ???

which track version ?

link at UKGPL Announcements side shows
1. GPLEA Snett67
2. snett rar

afaik above versions do come with slightly different track lenght, at least track short names are different.
Means simply two different tracks for GPL  I guess.....

Can I come to play please  :)

We allways drove "snett67" ;)

Yes Bernie there should be room, just register for the series. 
There might be an extra space anyway, as for some incomprehensible reason my wife thinks that I should not be "playing with the computer" on Feb 14th!!??? 

After I asked her  "wot's so special about this Friday"  I suddenly blacked out and when I came around in Hospital, she said not to worry because the bruising will have faded before Friday.  :blink: :blink:

Tommie,
I set the server to 2/384 2/84 to make this possible.
In my early races with UKGPL I had a bad experience with the slower and lower BW settings 3/132 3/84,
when I did a rejoin at Oulton, where I could not see all the cars behind, I was penalized with 2 places that cost me the Nov championship ::)

Will my settings make a bad clients connection worse?
I don't think so, as these "old" settings were aimed to use with 56kb modems and I presume there is nobody nowadays using this anymore...  

IMO the spikes of a warp should be reduced by sending every 2nd frame a signal instead of every 3rd

The issue is not necessarily the 'bad' client, it is the information flow at the server end that might be an issue. If information is lost and the client is trying to update every second frame rather than third there will be more 'prediction' on the client.

The key is the 132 vs 384 which enables you to see more cars. The amount of data in both cases is tiny so 2/384 2/84 should work fine - but it might not . As with all Internet connections the data flow is not guaranteed. Fun eh? ;D

Not the way I understand it. The client is predicting every frame, but uses updated data instead if it's available. Thus, running at a faster (every 2 ticks vs. 3 ticks) rate would yield LESS prediction (because it's only predicting 1/2 the time, instead of 2/3).

If information is lost, the client is predicting 100%, no matter what b/w settings are in place.


But 132 is guaranteed to be worse (or, under the worst possible conditions, equal), so why use it?

I see :) . I prefer it so thanks :) .

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Funny you should say that as I just asked HID  " what day is it "   

I am now wearing my Tea !

BTW I have registered but it still says I dont have a licence to drive this series  ::)

No problem Bernie, just show in chat and we will give you the PW!

PS
I can't find a 69 car in this 69X choice, only "Antique Automobiles"  :P
Best of them is 3,5 sec slower than a heavy driver...

Yes the T86B is slower than the Lotus 49 (between 1 and 2 sec for me) but is 10 times easier to drive ! You should try it !

got the same impression.
Lotus49 seems to discover each turn every lap as unknown land....

more helpless only the track programming, some appex cant be driven as an steady circle but more then a hard edge remote controll the car in there. Thats , for me , makes it inpossible to work out any usefull setup :)

Can't make this one, as Gareth seems to be a no-show :)

So happy F2-ing & 69-ing on this fine (HA!) Valentine's evening.
Hope it's drier/calmer than it is here!

Next time fellas.

Cheers,
Dave.

No P/w here yet ???

I've sent you a PM Bernie :) .

Sorry for the bump, Axel. 

I'm pretty much done with the open wheel cars.

in F2 race,  from 10 or 11 on the grid, I took my ever best begin of race and was 3 rd at the begin of the 2nd lap ...when I was rear ended by Dean at the end of the long straight ...and was back to the last position  :(

 

Not my night at all .

first the track wouldn't load for the F2 race due to me having swapped from OGL2 to OGL to try and cure some small grapfix problem , by the time I had finished mucking around unloading - re loading tracks etc was to late to join , the race was nearly over  :-\

checked my 69X was ok off line and felt confident enough to go make a cuppa , when I came back , tried to join the race but the soddin "join " button was greyed out , GEM was telling  me I dont have the 69X mod installed .

No idea what the problem is apart from GPL and me not being 100% compatible though not surprised as I never got the 69's running properly on my previous attempts.



 :-\ :-\ :-\ 

Ouch, but sh.t happens... NP Mark

Same here, as long as there are no fun cars for me, I am out! 

F2: after messing up the start, kept my nose clean and got back to P2, but Martin was too fast, and more important very consistent! Well deserved Martin, flawless race! :)

69X: suffered most from startcrash, was last, but gradually worked my way up the order, again mostly others went off or spun. But at a certain point steered in too late and hit the bridge at the Esses...

Bernie , if you like too we can do some testing to sort out your `cant join online races `thinghie.

I can host and we can talk in igor chat etc. Let me know if this could be point of interest for you.. :)

I had loads of fun!

In the F2 race I couldn't find a good tow so qualified well down the order in the BT14, but I could profit from mistakes by others and ended up in P5 :) . Quite happy with that although who knows what kind of result I could have achieved had I qualified better.

In the 69 race I had a good quali lap, although again no tow so started well down the order again. Had a blistering start overtaking two or three Lotussus off the line and managed to keep my nose clean during the start melee, and found myself in P2! Andreas went flying past some laps later but I managed to hold on and salvage P3 in his slipstream, untill that became P2 when Evil went off at the Esses! Tried to pressurize Andreas a bit untill I spun on the last lap. Still, P2 in the BT20, well pleased :) .

I'd like to say that, even though I won't use it, for me the 4WD cars are back in, because otherwise there won't be enough winged cars to race against as the heavies are rather underrepresented :) .

Thanks Nicky thats kind of you to offer , I think the problem is I only have 69 1.3 mod installed .

I have just now downloaded the 69 extra mod from speedgeezers? It looks a really compicated business to install properly so going to try the install tomorrow (sunday ) as I am naggered right now .

Hopefully it will all go well for me .

Will let you know if we has any problems and hopefully we can sort them in iGOR together .

Again many thanks my friend  :)

Sorry for that. I was getting pressured from behind myself, locked up, and last ditch avoidance move didn't work. I just watched replay, and saw how much you suffered for the ridiculous GPL physics.  :-[

 :) :) :)
Congratulations to winner and podium ones and all !!

Both races extreme hard work. Cant say I did enjoy this time as much I did last round at Lime


F2race:
-   did start slow , lost 1 place
-   L2 Dean ( in front of me ) knocked out  Rainier at hairpine. Could stay free by luck.
-   L4 hairpine again, this time I got knocked out by Dean, I spun 360°, but lost control next lefthander. Down to P9
-   L5 again hairpine: F.Molten in front of me did run run wide a bit by missing breaking point . BUT did not kept most left to came back to race speed at exit, so hit my left rear tyre.. both of us did visit the clouds above…I did shift R to change position from tribune back to track. Must admit I did aggressive to not let Molten back in easy, but this is racing…
-   L17 I managed to stuck my car into the Armco after the chicane. P6 gone, lol



69x race :
-could stay free from T1 circumstances . P5
-   L2 did spun on my own at T1. P9
-   L20 earned P3 from Clive , coz he run wide at T1
-   L22 did run out of fuel…Clive and G.T. passed by
-   L22 exit of chicane no fuel at all.. 0 kmh ,  did an shift R BUT guess this was not correct, if I am right shift R isn’t for wrong fuel calculations ? I should be penalized for .

I was busy with my beloved for most of the evening, spent the rest of it with the wife.

You can make a Shift/R for any reason Nicky, even running out of fuel in the last 200mtrs. That was hard luck after such a good drive.

I enjoyed it. I wasn't expecting much considering I had no time to practice. My main concern was to try to stay out of the way.

F2 - I had to use my Lime Rock setup. Qualifying gave me just enough time to get the gearing decent and make some minor camber adjustments. Luckily I avoided most of the early trouble. I only made contact with Dean once at the hairpin. He had to stop or slow drastically to avoid a collision in front of him. I ended up locking my wheels and slid into the back of his car. Luckily is wasn't a heavy hit and being almost a square hit with no suspension contact, it appeared we both continued without a problem. I was in real good shape later tailing Dean. He was faster but it didn't look like he could break the slipstream. We caught Axel fairly quickly but when they went two wide entering turn 1, I couldn't cope with how much they slowed. I had to run wide. If I'd have stayed on my line, I'd have wrecked Axel. Then I had to deal with Tommie. He was all over me like stink on doo-doo. I did set my fastest lap with him on my tail but when I tried to carry too much speed into turn 1, I was off the track once again. I was moving up once again but each time I caught Dave R at turn 1 the car would lose all grip on the front and send me into the grass. If it weren't for the four trips through the weeds at turn 1 I'd have gotten a rather nice finish. All in all, I had a pretty good time.

69 - I was worried about this one. Luckily I had set up the Lotus 49 for Monza. If it weren't for that setup I'd have had nothing when entering qualifying. Same as with the F2s, I had just enough time to change the gearing and camber. I was very surprised with my qualifying and I got off the line superbly but didn't know what to do in turn 1 when there was contact in front of me. I was afraid to brake too heavily and create another disaster behind me so I likely wiped out somebody in front of me. This is one area I really need some work. With an incident in front of me I always seem to lose track of what's behind me so I worry that any evasive moves or drastic braking will only cause another wreck behind me. Damn rookies! (that's me).

  After the turn 1 reset I was able to finish the race without hitting anything else. I was pleased with how well the Lotus ran. It really required a gentle touch and luckily I had some finesse for the race. This car would never tolerate me manhandling it. I don't know what happened to Robert. He caught me after a spin and I was surprised how quickly I was able to get by. That Cooper really looked weak on the straights. I expected Robert to tail me for a while but he was gone almost immediately after I passed him. I hope it wasn't my ragged driving that caused you trouble. I was struggling at that point. By the time it was over I was getting some fairly nice times in the 49. A little more practice and some fine tuning would have had me in the 1:23's. I wish I could have made it through turn 1 on lap 1. I'd have likely vied for the win without that screw up.

Thanks guys and I appreciate you letting me race with you. I need the experience. Hopefully I'll get better dealing with accidents in front of me and running in traffic. I expect I will but it's going to take some time.

Couldn't get a grip on the Cooper in practise and had to adapt my driving to the car and setup. It was generally tight and slow at the straights. After I passed you, I went loose and you could pass me on the straight. Had a fast winged car behind keeping me on my toes. Then just braked too late/steered in too late, missed the corner (Esses), and hit the bridge, lost a wheel...was fun until then...used up my shift-r after startcrash...

It wasn't you at all, Greg, you were lapping faster anyway, and you're a pretty consistent driver ;) Still had some fun last night, some nice racing going on, plenty action! Just need to avoid my own mistakes...

I sorted out a lucrative deal with Sir Jack, and Snetted a couple of Brabhams.

Race 1 required a rapid getaway, as a rapid Robert required respect.  Ruckily, the start went well from my respective, and I was able to hang onto a gap, without dropping the car.  So finally, a race win on a Friday! :D

Second outing lived up to it's name.  My winged wonder was tremendous fun, if slightly on the wild side.  Despite a couple of early discussions with opponents, about the attachment of components, I soon found myself in a fighting 4th.  Then disaster and dematerialization.  With recent Server weakness, I'd again tried my dubious Landline hookup.  It survived F2ness, but disliked the demands of 69's extra speed?  I'll probably give it another spin next week, but batting below 50% ATM.  :(

I've mentioned before, the good fortune I had to visit the real Snetterton once, as a youngster - the F2 meeting in 1967.  Each time we race at this track, I'm reminded of that first visit.  The action at the hairpin, is amazingly like the real thing.  The manoeuverings, the breakings, the outbrakings, the speed.  We have a very realistic Sim.

Disagree. Nice job finding a space to go through.


Disagree again. You were defending the outside and moved across entering the braking zone, leaving me nowhere to go.  :no:

I'd have had a tough time maintaining a tight line through there, so you should have stayed going straight, and looked for a space to cut back up inside me while I'm trying to get the thing turned.

Easy : just brake earlier !

 :)