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Title: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 13, 2007, 10:36:32 AM +0000
All members welcome.

Practice: 20:15 (15 mins)
Qualifying: 20:30 (20 mins)
Race: 20:50 (23 laps = ~40 mins)

Cars allowed: Porsche 906 (rating 19.5), DeTomaso Pantera (rating 19.5)
Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: rolling using pit limiter

Server: UKGTL Ladder; in the event that the lobby is unavailable, connect using Direct IP, entering games.avonrise.co.uk in the Add IP box
Password: See this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1665.0)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7).
(3) General information on the ladder can be found on the series home page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=25).
(4) The season will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.3 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27).


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Adam Parle on January 13, 2007, 11:57:01 AM +0000
I'd love to drive in this, I'm a big fan of the Pant-tearer, but I'll most likely be having a few pints in celebration of drawing one year closer to retirement  ;D.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 13, 2007, 12:25:44 PM +0000
This may well be the last race of the Ladder in its current form. But I'll start another thread on that topic...


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Radius on January 13, 2007, 01:00:35 PM +0000
The pantera is a beauty AND a beast....the 906 is just a flat box

Ill be enjoying the panty for this one!

 ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: Mark J on January 14, 2007, 11:52:38 AM +0000
Nice car choices, a tough decision to be made. Will enjoy trying both of them out beforehand  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 14, 2007, 04:27:27 PM +0000
Gotta be the Pantera, it's a beast of a bar.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: Pero_Grozni on January 14, 2007, 09:13:33 PM +0000
hehe - a no brainer for me - the mighty Pantera it shall be 8)
Track is a git on the short side for it, but it should be quite an interesting drive. Really looking forward to this one


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: EdamSpeed on January 14, 2007, 10:41:58 PM +0000
I'll try and be there, and I'll take the ...... Porsche!


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Jeffrey on January 15, 2007, 05:00:58 PM +0000
I might, I just might be....

(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5419/untitled1al9.th.jpg) (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled1al9.jpg)


 ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Radius on January 15, 2007, 05:33:35 PM +0000
now thats a good shot!


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: EdamSpeed on January 15, 2007, 10:09:48 PM +0000
So you have GTL back, Ruskus?  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Jeffrey on January 15, 2007, 10:19:35 PM +0000
So you have GTL back, Ruskus?  ;D

I borrowed a copy, but he'll need it back. Maybe if I like it again I'll buy anothe version and in the meantime keep his DVD ;D.

But man-o-man is it something getting used to again ;D. With a new G25, but also with GTR2 in my head, it's totally different.
I couldn't finish 1 lap the first 5 laps or so ;D.
Still can't reach any good times, but it might be fun again being back ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 16, 2007, 08:57:34 AM +0000
Still can't reach any good times, but it might be fun again being back ;D

Ah, you'll be the same speed as the rest of us then, all the better for close racing.  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: will16v on January 18, 2007, 12:35:45 PM +0000
Should be able to make this one, 'domestic' duties/moaning other half permitting  :-\

906 for me  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: Mark J on January 18, 2007, 01:01:50 PM +0000
whats a quasi decent time around here in either car ? 
(Not directed at Ruskus unless i want to add on 3 seconds to his spaceship times) :P  :-[

Did a 1:41.1 in a quick 10 minute test with the 906 and sure i can improve on that with some proper praccy. Not tried the Panty yet


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Jeffrey on January 18, 2007, 02:44:53 PM +0000
(Not directed at Ruskus unless i want to add on 3 seconds to his spaceship times) :P  :-[

Me, don't look at me, I'm still trying to get the hang of this game again ;D. I do notice that because of GTR2, my drivingstyle is a little less wild now in GTL :D.....a little ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Radius on January 18, 2007, 03:03:28 PM +0000
Thats a good point, i meantioned a while back how smoother and more gentle i drive the GTL cars after allot of GTR2. atm im still sucking hard at them  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Nevski on January 18, 2007, 03:54:06 PM +0000
whats a quasi decent time around here in either car ? 
(Not directed at Ruskus unless i want to add on 3 seconds to his spaceship times) :P  :-[

Did a 1:41.1 in a quick 10 minute test with the 906 and sure i can improve on that with some proper praccy. Not tried the Panty yet

A managed a 1:38.6 today in the 906 using my race setup. It had Michelin tyres too, so I expect it should be good for 39s during the race ;-)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Nevski on January 18, 2007, 04:41:44 PM +0000
Further update - just did a 1:38.1 in the Pantera and it was a bit of a scruffy lap. IMO the Panty has at least 1 to 1.5 seconds a lap on the 906 over a single flying lap. The question is, can it be driven as consistenly as the 906 over a race distance? I also have no idea how well the tyres last on the Panty over 24 laps.  ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Jimmie on January 18, 2007, 09:18:40 PM +0000
Well took the GTL disc out of the dust, cause Raddy asked me to join the server :)

Did a 1.40 as only completed lap in qualy :laugh:

At race the counter brought back the old memories of doing full throttle standing starts and adjusting the amount of spin with the clutch. But then I immediately thought why is everybody so slow away at start, oops formation lap of course :oops:
So I waited on the side of the track and Dave flashed I could get in front of him, no idea what my start position really was but o well :D Back to race :)
Really love the force feedback, its much more informative then GTR2. I also love to use the throttle to balance/steer the 906 in the corners. Had a fun battle for a while but screwed up at the chicane every time so got stop and go :-[

Really gave back the good ol' GTL memories :-*


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Radius on January 18, 2007, 09:40:58 PM +0000
Nice race at beginning, battling B and Madd...car was just crap on full tank...or maybe my lack of running in it...then later got s/g and thats it really.

Good turnout again.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: BillThomas on January 18, 2007, 09:42:27 PM +0000
Apologies to the two drivers I surprised with my early braking/slow approach to the last chicane, obviously I am slow there compared to the faster drivers.  Trust not too much damage or lost of place tapping me down "run off" road.

Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: Mark J on January 18, 2007, 09:46:01 PM +0000
That was great fun and an excellent GTL race again  8)

Qualied 10th? in the 906 and was fairly happy with that.

Race started great, enjoying some good battles in the first few laps as the field jostled fairly for positions. Had some excellent scraps with panteras, harassing them thru the twisties only to see them pull away on the straights. You could really throw the nimble 906 about with some style through the infield  8) but i hate the track crossover dipping turn and that chicane after the back straight  :(
All went well upto lap 11 after some good charging and plenty of overtaking i found myself upto 7th after dispatching Baracus in his Pantera and was starting to pull away. However very shortly after that i started to cook and overheat rapidly as my central heating had been left on full blast by an engineer, i got very uncomfortable and then span 3 times in one lap losing something like 30-40 seconds in total and dropping each time from an initial 7th down to 13th or so  :'(
 If anyone wonders why i did a 360 whilst flat out on the s/f straight, thats the bit where i took my tee shirt off with no hands on the wheel  :o ::)...i was suffering !
Fought my way back up past a few cars in my now cooler (skin) race suit and enjoyed a cracking battle with T cooper for the last 4 or 5 laps of the race for an almost photo finish across the line in a lowly 11th :fencing:, great racing Tom?


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 18, 2007, 09:52:02 PM +0000
Provisional results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=306) and replay (http://ukgtl.simracing.org.uk/) available, with updating standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=25).


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: Madd-RIP on January 18, 2007, 09:55:43 PM +0000
 :( Well firstly ,brilliant turnout, nice mix of cars too, not too many of one type.

Secondly before I go any further I must apologise most profusely to Assassino, I'm not sure what happened but I'm really sorry,  it really put a dampener on what was a fantastic battle between us. Please pm me to explain what happened :thumbup1:

Also to Radius for such a brilliant scrap and probably a very brown trouser moment for you at Bogen! :w00t:

I also manage a pb which although was nowhere near the 'Aliens' :alien: I was well chuffed with  :clap:

All in all marvellous!


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: ASSASSINO on January 18, 2007, 09:56:59 PM +0000
LAST LAP: defending my 5th position in my pantera of Mad Rip´s atacks in his 906, great laps of pure GTL, near the finish line MY STUPID ENGINE CUTS BECAUSE IT HAS NO GAS, damm this makes me mad,  i put extra 1 lap fuel, i never got so dissapointed because GTL, someone up there doesnt like me  ???

Ripp sorry about my stop but i couldnt avoid it, i was giving lights signals.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Jeffrey on January 18, 2007, 09:57:38 PM +0000
Couldn't believe my pace as I only did high 38's the day a few days before, but I could now do low 37's :o.

At the beginning of the race I was extremely cautious as I forgot how the car handled with full fuel and semi-warm tyres.
After that I could get upto pace again, and when Radius spun I was in a gap between 1st and 3rd driver.

Good result for Team Shark with 2nd, 4th and 6th, well done lads ;D

I did about 4L more than my teammates, and they had plenty of fuel left at the end, where my engine was sputtering over the finish ;D. Wheelspin burns alot of fuel ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 18, 2007, 10:01:02 PM +0000
Good turnout again, just shy of 20. I've grown to like the Pantera and managed a reasonable spot on the grid in qually.

Start was amusing as I took 2xPorsche 906s down the start finish straight on the first lap. They were lambs to the slaughter of the savage DeTomaso.  :laugh:

I think lap 2 or 3 and a brown trouser moment as Dan shot past like a speeding bullet into the first hairpin after getting his breaking very wrong. Just managed to stay out the way and see him go shooting through and out the other side. :o

After that I had a battle keeping Nev behind for a while although he was finding it very hard to get near my Pantera, he would close up in the twisties but I just piss off into the distance on the straights. This went on for a while but eventually he succumbed to a stop and go for the last chicane I assume and I was left alone. Was alone for the rest of the race really.

The hairpin that cuts short the circuit was a bitch in that car, you really had to stay on your toes the whole time with that massive grunt trying to tear out of the bonnet all the time.

Well done Pero, Jeff and Baracus on the podium.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: Madd-RIP on January 18, 2007, 10:02:21 PM +0000
Assassino, you've nothing to say sorry for, I didn't see your lights (thought you were shooing away backmarkers!!  :laugh: ) cos all I had was the Pantera's Ass in my face for the last few laps!! :D, unbelievable bad luck, I just could not get past, it almost looked like a warp it was that sudden, no harm done although I've never snatched the clutch so quick in my life!!


PS well done podium.

PPS Team RVS second in Ladder... :jumpjoy:


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 18, 2007, 10:02:59 PM +0000
MY STUPID ENGINE CUTS BECAUSE IT HAS NO GAS, i put extra 1 lap fuel,

I put in 63L in the Pantera, which according to my calculations was at least 2 laps spare and I still had about 2 laps spare when I finished so it was spot on. Jeff on the other put even more than that in and still spluttered out of gas as he cross the finish line. No worries though I was just around the corner to push him over the line should his car not quite make it.  :laugh: Certainly shows you that driving style accounts for a big part of fuel consumption.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Jeffrey on January 18, 2007, 10:10:04 PM +0000
MY STUPID ENGINE CUTS BECAUSE IT HAS NO GAS, i put extra 1 lap fuel,
No worries though I was just around the corner to push him over the line should his car not quite make it.  :laugh:

We aren't marines for nothing....we leave no man behind ;D.....Hang on, I'm airforce ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Nevski on January 18, 2007, 10:27:17 PM +0000
It's amazing just how different GTL felt after driving GTR2 for the last 4 days  :o

I still love the physics in GTL though, and was back in the swing after 30 minutes offline practice.

Very impressed with the pace again in qually, especially Grozny and Baracus :alien: 

After an exciting start into the first hairpin, I was stuck behind Simon for the first 10 laps. The 906 just doesn't have the grunt to even slipstream the Pantera on the back straight. Eventually the frustration told, and I got a SnG for cutting the chicane which dropped me from 5th to 13th.
Came out and worked my way back up to about 8th, only to run wide at the chicane as I attempted a passing move on Bernie, and picked up ANOTHER SnG  :cursing:

That put me a lap down and I spent the last 5 laps following Jeff in huge clouds of tyre smoke and petrol vapour  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 18, 2007, 10:31:53 PM +0000
Couldn't get anywhere near my team mate's times in qually and was really finding the Beast a handful. Didn't think I'd make it through the race without falling off but a tweak to the setup to improve grip at the rear worked a treat and I even knocked a tenth off my qualifying time on race fuel at the end of the Q session.

The start was hectic in amongst the 906s and I started quite conservatively, knowing my tyres would be taking a pounding, especially when cold. After a few laps I used the Beast's power to dispatch Bernie Lomax on the run to turn 1 and after that it was just a matter of settling down and keeping the Beast cool, calm and collected. Gradually picked up place after place as misfortune befell others; starting the last lap I was 7th, but Dan Minton's 906 was gaining very rapidly on me and I was 2-3 seconds a lap down on my early pace thanks to the rears being well and truly stripped.

Assassino's fuel emergency gifted me a totally unexpected 6th place and the finish line came just in the nick of time as Dan was all over me like the proverbial bad suit through the final chicane and corner. Very pleased with how well the car behaved for all but the last few laps and very, very pleased to finish the race without having gone off, spun or run into anyone. :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: pribeiro on January 18, 2007, 11:03:51 PM +0000
You alliens :alien:


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: Jeffrey on January 18, 2007, 11:06:39 PM +0000
You alliens :alien:

What was wrong with your joining? I saw you join 5 times or so, and evertime kicked out ???.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: pribeiro on January 18, 2007, 11:12:20 PM +0000
Astonishing race Pero, congrats :yes:
Well done Ruskus and Baracus for the all podium :thumbup2:
Congrats to all and shame on me :whistling:
Qualified 15th :eek: finished 14th :wheelchair:
2 mistakes at lap 2 and 4 ruin my race(well...you all were flying anyway, so problably
i couldnt do better :wacko: :blink:), after hitting hard with front end,
i did all race with huge understeer.
see you next round

Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beas
Post by: pribeiro on January 18, 2007, 11:13:51 PM +0000
You alliens :alien:

What was wrong with your joining? I saw you join 5 times or so, and evertime kicked out ???.

I was trying to join with our old 906 GS skin ::)
I tried all 4 skins of GS team, but noone is working ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76 - Nürburgring (Sprint) - Jan 18 - Beauty and the Beast
Post by: TinMan on January 19, 2007, 09:18:48 AM +0000

 and enjoyed a cracking battle with T cooper for the last 4 or 5 laps of the race for an almost photo finish across the line in a lowly 11th :fencing:, great racing Tom?

LOL - at least I could see you this time!  LOWLY - hell it was one of my best finishes

Cheers

Tom