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« on: August 05, 2010, 12:42:00 PM +0100 » |
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Car: Radical SR8 Track: Phillip Island Practice: 18:00 for 150 mins (approx) Qualifying: 20:30 (15 mins) Race: 20:45 41 laps (approx 60 mins) Start: Rolling - standard iRacing double file start No fast tows will be available Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go. Password: see above(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2010, 08:55:28 PM +0100 » |
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I would say I'm looking forward to this ... but after a tentative couple of laps I'm not so sure!!!
Can anyone give me a rough idea on laptimes for the mid-back of the grid?
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2010, 10:31:32 PM +0100 » |
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1:29s Adam. Still struggling with the gear changes on the new cars tbh. I'm not going to attend until I can find some way of shifting gears comfortably. If anyone can do a video of how to shift in the new build that would be good as I just don't get it at all. Whatever blipping I'm doing it's not working, whatever revs I'm doing it's not working. I've currently resorted to pressing a button for the clutch whilst pressing the gear change button at the same time. Aids on is worse than aids off, which is totally bizarre as I thought the aids were there to help you. I'm at a complete loss as to how to drive the new cars and it's quite frustrating.
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2010, 10:50:58 PM +0100 » |
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It's just about the timing of everything.
In the new build, pull the paddle then blip. If you blip at the same time as you pull the paddle (like we used to) it won't go. It helps to hold the paddle for a fraction longer as you blip, just make sure you click the paddle then blip.
So: off throttle, brake... click-blip...click-blip.
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2010, 12:13:53 AM +0100 » |
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This is all getting a bit confusing for me, will stick with aids on & being even slower.
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2010, 09:32:38 AM +0100 » |
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Wow, how fast is this combo. Only tried this track when the V8 came out but in the radical its quite fun, if you can second guess the corners! Only did a few exploritory laps last night.
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2010, 09:40:10 AM +0100 » |
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This is all getting a bit confusing for me, will stick with aids on & being even slower. It took me an hour or so of practice at Philip Island to get the hang of the new gearbox. Because you're flat from the left hander after the the final hairpin to the first left hander after the kink, if you're using the aids and losing time on upshifts then you'll be toast to any following car who isn't. 26.9 qually fuel here and mid to low 27s on fuel. The quick boys will be doing 25s, I can see several places where I could go quicker with more talent.
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2010, 07:14:09 PM +0100 » |
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It's just about the timing of everything.
In the new build, pull the paddle then blip. If you blip at the same time as you pull the paddle (like we used to) it won't go. It helps to hold the paddle for a fraction longer as you blip, just make sure you click the paddle then blip.
So: off throttle, brake... click-blip...click-blip.
That seems to be working better thanks! It's not 100% yet, but it's certainly a darn sight more consistent at shifting down than it was. I'm still concentrating very hard on the shifting and not so much on the throttle, braking and turning, so I'm hoping with practice that reverses itself back to how I normally drive (concentrating on the important things). Mid 1:28 now. BTW, how much are you blipping? As in how much throttle do you blip with? P.S. I never blipped before in iRacing. Only time I've ever blipped in games is in GTL when using the H-pattern gearbox and manual clutch, but blipping there is much more natural. I find it very unnatural to use a flappy paddle and have to blip or use a clutch.
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2010, 07:52:17 PM +0100 » |
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I'll put on about quarter - half throttle. I don't blip much at all in the Mazda now, but the Radical and V8 need a really positive blip to get the gear in. You do have to drop the throttle right off between them too.
There is talk in the iRacing forums of the use of macros to achieve downshifting. I imagine that doing that will make it pretty much like the old model without requiring auto-clutch.
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2010, 08:56:07 PM +0100 » |
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I'm digging this combo I was a bit wary of the Radical after reading it was a bit of a nightmare to manually shift but it doesn't seem too bad at all, just as Mike describes, click-blip, click-blip. I'm feeling quite proud I got there all by myself without reading this thread That said, I'm pretty slow so far, mid 1:29's with race fuel so far but I reckon I'll get a second off that with a bit more track time. BTW, I'm not convinced that macro's will help in cars like the Radical where there's no need to use the clutch anyway I'm going to try the macro approach (just for research obviously ) I'll let you know how it goes.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2010, 10:02:23 AM +0100 » |
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Awesome Mike. Can't believe how much that simple advice has helped me. After some more practice this morning the gear changing is going quite well and it's just starting to become second nature.
1:26.7 in Q trim I'm down to now.
P.S. Got the Force Feedback down at 3 for this car as it's so twitchy.
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2010, 09:39:35 PM +0100 » |
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I tried creating a macro for downshifting tonight using the logitech profiler. I might not have done it right, but it didn't work. Well, it sometimes works, the other times it won't shift at all. Even when you're parked on the track. So, I've abandoned that idea, can't be bothered to spend lots of time trying to get it to work, when I've got it sussed manually anyway. You'd be better off just using the aids if you're struggling.
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2010, 11:29:42 PM +0100 » |
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WOW!!! I am shocked. I love it. Just done an hour & managed to get down to 1:27.1 in race trim. I've not done the Radical for a season, but it's everything I remember about it. Absolutely fantastic & what a perfect match up with P. Island . Unbelievable, but this 1hr practice is about as much fun as I can remember in iR for a good couple of months. Well chuffed.
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2010, 07:14:18 AM +0100 » |
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I tried creating a macro for downshifting tonight using the logitech profiler. I might not have done it right, but it didn't work. Well, it sometimes works, the other times it won't shift at all. Even when you're parked on the track. So, I've abandoned that idea, can't be bothered to spend lots of time trying to get it to work, when I've got it sussed manually anyway. You'd be better off just using the aids if you're struggling. If you had I'd have been forced to "accidentally" miss a shift and punt you off anyway. GlovePIE is the weapon of choice for macros if you do want to experiment. You could set the timing of the blip with surgical accuracy. Paul
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2010, 08:48:28 AM +0100 » |
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My logitech profiler clutch macro worked perfectly Pete However, it certainly didn't make me any quicker. The issue with this type of macro (engage clutch -> shift -> re-engage clutch) is that you still need to blip to get it in gear if the revs aren't matched. Maybe with a little more skill/practice this could be a benefit if I could get the revs right but it seems marginal to me at best. As I understand it, where a driver could get more of a significant advantage is using something like glovePIE (as Paul mentions) to perform the shift AND to match revs too thus getting a milli-second perfect shift every time. I'm not overly concerned about macros, I think it's a bit of a storm in a teacup tbh. There's no way to stop it though so I'll let peoples consciences decide...
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