Wiltshire Tony
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« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2010, 08:45:42 AM +0100 » |
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adj.slang.USA. The finest of its kind. The word originated from the shortening of Duesenburg which was the American built limousine of the 1920's & 1930's. The Duesenburg was then the finest vehicle of its kind that money could buy.
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« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2010, 10:01:30 AM +0100 » |
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Thank you for enlightening me, Tony. I find it most sympathetic, that you have such great knowledge of the slang being used in your overseas colonies Stig / Hotkeys
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« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2010, 10:08:30 AM +0100 » |
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« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2010, 10:23:42 AM +0100 » |
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Ahh, wondered why you were asking about Motec We have to keep up with how the colonials talk Stig, or they may be talking about independance, and we wouldn't know it. I think, in this case Mike's duesy indicates "difficult" "challenging" "tricky" more than "finest" But then Americans think I am Scottish, so what do I know.
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« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2010, 02:14:24 PM +0100 » |
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Hello guys, I'm sorry to hear that some of you are disappointed by the P & G and who prefer GTL .... Everybody can think what we will, but I fully agree with Mike, Clive and Phspok, without a minimum of training and a decent setup is unthinkable lead to limit car that weighs over 1500 kg with over 500 hp on a track which faces the second banking at full speed over 290 kmh. So if you allow me, I would think a little more before we criticize the organizers who seek to do the best to entertain everyone Greetings to all Giuseppe
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« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2010, 02:42:37 PM +0100 » |
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Hello guys, I'm sorry to hear that some of you are disappointed by the P & G and who prefer GTL .... Everybody can think what we will, but I fully agree with Mike, Clive and Phspok, without a minimum of training and a decent setup is unthinkable lead to limit car that weighs over 1500 kg with over 500 hp on a track which faces the second banking at full speed over 290 kmh. So if you allow me, I would think a little more before we criticize the organizers who seek to do the best to entertain everyone Greetings to all Giuseppe I Totally agree with Giuseppe My training for this race was 2 laps, and I spent 10 laps before I had realized that it was possible to do the banked corners at full throttle, but it wasn't a leap in the dark... when I was sure I could have done the banked corners at full throttle I started to do it. This kind of cars needs more than 2 laps to be understood especially for the braking point, so maybe with a bit more patient by everybody, we wouldn't have stayed in 4 people at the end of 2nd lap. It was a pity finish the race in 4. Tastes are tastes we say in Italy, but my GTL DVD is close into his pack since I've installed the P&G. In my opinion P&G beats GTL 10 - 0, and I'm sure that when the v3.0 will be released a lot of people will start to like more P&G than GTL even here... It's surely more user friendly than the v2.1... trust in me Cu
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« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2010, 04:58:55 PM +0100 » |
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I was complaining about the track Brcause me and Geoffers got stuck in the inside bank zone and couldn't get out of there, jeeeeez... And I do like more GTL for a few reasons. I didn't say that I don't like P&G, I just said I like more GTL! I really hope that version 3 of P&G come without the unreal and ridiculous understeering and I do can't believe that people who drive cars for more than 20 years doesn't seems to understand that. It's ridiculous to turn a car at 40 km/h with so much understeering. And please don't tell me about setups, setups are for tunning the car, yet, without them you can still drive the damn car. I had talk to a guy that have a Mustang near where I work (he is a classic car collector and had a few American cars from the 30' to 80's) and the car has not understeering behavior unless you push it stupidly.
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« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2010, 05:54:53 PM +0100 » |
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I enjoy these great old tracks no end, but there has been a steady decline in numbers throughout this last season. For me personally, our P&G nights seem to have turned into a series of one-off special events rather than a classics championship and that may be a reason for eroding turn out, added to the fact that some of these track and car combos do challenge that bit further or require a lot more practise. I agree with some of the others that you just cant turn up at a challenging track layout like this in a fast beast of a car and expect to do well/survive but i do wonder if thats why turn out has dropped. Must confess i hadnt done any race full-fuel laps here and almost got caught out like a few did in the early couple of laps with a dramatic change in car handling characteristic with the full fuel load. But it was the very high kerbing that stopped me carrying on and even if i had got going again i would have been about 30seconds behind the only 4 remaining racers...3 of them alien ! hardly inspiring is it. My personal preference would be a season of GT racing with maybe a pre-selected pair of cars to use for the season. That way you have to use it no matter what the track characteristics and that adds a balance over a season. GT class should provide plenty of options for people to use a car they like and make the grids varied and cool. We had full grids when using this sort of format early on..ie last year/early this year. Shoe-horning people into cars they dont like or cant drive just depletes the field unfortunately.
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« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2010, 06:04:23 PM +0100 » |
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I was complaining about the track Brcause me and Geoffers got stuck in the inside bank zone and couldn't get out of there, jeeeeez... And I do like more GTL for a few reasons. I didn't say that I don't like P&G, I just said I like more GTL! I really hope that version 3 of P&G come without the unreal and ridiculous understeering and I do can't believe that people who drive cars for more than 20 years doesn't seems to understand that. It's ridiculous to turn a car at 40 km/h with so much understeering. And please don't tell me about setups, setups are for tunning the car, yet, without them you can still drive the damn car. I had talk to a guy that have a Mustang near where I work (he is a classic car collector and had a few American cars from the 30' to 80's) and the car has not understeering behavior unless you push it stupidly. I'm with Paulo on this one. GTL just seems to deliver good close racing night after night. I don't know how realistic GTL is compared to PnG, but I can't for one minute imagine the real cars were as difficult to drive as some of these PnG cars. I've read about the unbelieveable amount of work and time that goes into creating this mod in the articles over at GTL Workshop. The meticulous detail these guys go to and the research they put into recreating the original cars is so amazing, yet the end product is in some cases almost undrivable and affects the quality of the racing imho. I really hope V3 gets this right when it is finally released.
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« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2010, 06:26:15 PM +0100 » |
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My personal preference would be a season of GT racing with maybe a pre-selected pair of cars to use for the season. That way you have to use it no matter what the track characteristics and that adds a balance over a season. GT class should provide plenty of options for people to use a car they like and make the grids varied and cool. We had full grids when using this sort of format early on..ie last year/early this year. Shoe-horning people into cars they dont like or cant drive just depletes the field unfortunately.
This would be my own personal preference too, aside from the fact it could allow for custom skins if people so wished there's also the added fun of learning your car correctly and being able to choose something you enjoy for the entire season. If I'm having fun I don't care wether I'm competitive
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« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2010, 06:57:19 PM +0100 » |
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I think you guys will enjoy what I'm cooking up for season 4. I'll announce the details when I'm finished with the testing. The GT cars from Bathurst will be featured.
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Wiltshire Tony
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« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2010, 07:12:05 PM +0100 » |
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Thank you for enlightening me, Tony. I find it most sympathetic, that you have such great knowledge of the slang being used in your overseas colonies Stig / Hotkeys No worries mate, I just googled it
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« Reply #57 on: September 18, 2010, 07:54:29 PM +0100 » |
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Can't resist. so I will. I like racing people on line, preferably on tracks and in cars that don't needs hours of practice time because I sometimes just don't have that time to give. Ideally the car/track should be one that rewards skill, and some practice but I prefer it if hours of practice are not essential to have fun. Mostly I like racing people on line, and would probably do Mario Kart if that's all there was.
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« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2010, 08:59:14 PM +0100 » |
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Beginning to get a bit dissillusioned with P&G. I think us lesser lights need some easier tracks!
Sorry I was being a bit negative about P&G, I just seem to be struggling a bit with it recently. It is certainly an excellent piece of work by the GTLW team, but I just think that in trying to make each car uber-realistic it has lost a bit in playability as compared with GTL. I also think that in possibly concentrating on each car individually, they have forgotten to make the cars competitive with each other. A case in point being the Alfa GTA & Lotus Cortina, which were quite evenly matched in real life (& GTL), but are not in P&G. Also it's technicality has widened the gap between the aliens & the mortals & reduced the chances of having a close race. A few of the cars seem to have odd handling characteristics & are, for some, so difficult to drive that they are not fun, which is after all why we all do this. In general though I enjoy P&G & will be back for more next week.
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« Reply #59 on: September 18, 2010, 09:06:00 PM +0100 » |
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I just hate the L88 (& a couple of other similer cars), overall though, PnG is the best sim I drive. But I'll admit I'm very comfortable making the cars less understeery (The L88 is one of the exceptions ) p.s. GTL is still very good, as is GTR2 & iR. Each offers different things, PnG is just the balance I like most.
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