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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (24 laps)

Cars allowed: Ferrari 250 Testarossa Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_ferrari_250tr), Jaguar D-Type (1957 only) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_jag_dtype), Maserati 450S Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_maserati_450s), Aston Martin DBR2 (includes GTC-65 class fix) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_aston_dbr2), Ferrari 375 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_ferrari_375plus)

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Track: Longford '67 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg128898#post_longford_1967)

Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: x2

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Special Notes: None.

This is a great track which has so much detail. It must of taken ages to create. Also has some corners that will punish inaccurate braking. But fortunately there are adequate run-off areas if required. And in praccy I think I've used all of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longford_Circuit

Don't think that there is a pit lane speed limit here. Please post if you find out otherwise.

Wow a "real road track", a 5 speed box track?  8)

Yep, this track has long straights. BTW most of the tracks in this series are road tracks. There weren't that many circuits around in the 50's.

Yes pit lane speed limit, :o got a stop and go penalty and had to drive through (I think) so had to go around again to take it but got car wrecked by AI car at the first right hand curve!  ::)  :'(

oops almost missed this race coming over the horizon!!

New circuit for me, and just a quick sighter lap last night tells me it will be fast and dangerous!!!  with too many places to outbrake oneself  :-\

I have a dilemma with this series because there are a good few circuits that I don't know, so planning which car to save for which track is a lottery, unless I download all of the tracks and try them all with each car............zero chance of finding the time for that ATM!!!!

The graphics for the track look absolutely great and very atmospheric for an old style road circuit....looking forward to the challenge. 

Clive, really? Is this not available in GPL?

Well, I have never driven it before and I cannot find it on the Alternative Track Database, unless it is filed under a different name.   There are other repositories for tracks but 95% of them are listed there.

Longford track build for GPL was started by Bernd but was NEVER finished, Woochoo started a scratch build for Rfactor then converted it to GTL, sadly no GPL version.

Chose a car and thought I should do a few laps around here to "dial in".

I can report that there are several farmers who have conveniently left their gates open and I have comprehensively mown the grass...it's OK I won't charge  :whistling:

The escape roads are quite long too!!  ::)

Struggling to get a smooth setup and the few complete laps were around 1:33-34.  Stop smirking at the back  :nono:

I'm sincerely hoping you mean 2:33-34  ::)

Hi Tony is the Maserati 450s 5.71 included, as its straight line speed is well above the other cars.
 forgot to say in earlier post Thanks Tony for finding this track for GTL.

I might  :whistling:, I might not  ::)

@ rog..

I think you can use either Mazza but they are considered as a single car choice. So you get to drive in a Maserati 3 times and it does not matter which engine option you select.
FWIW.
 I used the monster Mazza at Bathurst and yes it is scarily quick in a straight line  :drool:, if you can keep it going straight!! it wanders like a drunken camel. The brakes are barely detectable and once it is travelling at escape velocity, it really takes some stopping, especially if you want to stop without the aid of the scenery!! Oh and unless you just breathe on the go pedal it will eat those rear tyres at an unbelievable rate!!  Other than that it is a perfect car for this series.  ;D

Just how those guys were driving cars at those speeds back in the 50's with drum brakes, no seat belts or roll cage, bicycle tyres and only the "feel" through their backside as to where the car was going next deserves some respect. Especially when modern "supercars" are barely 20mph quicker with all the aero downforce, computer tech and modern tyres etc. I appreciate that the newer cars might accelerate faster and corner quicker, but somehow they muscled these 1950's brutes around by sheer physical force.................just scary :scared:

Yes, both Maserati's are available for selection.

I didn't try the smaller engined Maser but did have a go in its bigger brother.

Best way to describe it?  Maserati 450S-WM.  WM for widow-maker.

hehehe! I have to agree Doni. I think that monster Maserati is just about the most difficult car I have driven in ANY sim racing game.

Even the 67 Honda in GPL, or the 427 Cobra in GTL or PnG seem tame in comparison to this beast. But I do have a sneaking love for it, just because it is such a behemoth.  :shifty:

I think the winner here will be the Mazzer 5ltr that doesn't crash...
Doni has a way with monsters  by the way ::)

For me, I can do 2:24 in the big Mazzer, and 2:29 in the DB2 so far, with maybe some time to come off when I
stop braking 100 metres before I need to... Not tried the others yet. I think here and Rheims are the obvious Mazzer fests
as this is like Rheims with kangaroos, I didn't have Bathurst as an obvious Power track, but it seemed to be.

 Sitting here with my laptop and I read 2:24!!!

I hope that is not with full tanks??!!! otherwise I am almost 10secs of the pace  :-\

and yes I have noticed Doni's ability to control the big block cars in various sims, I suspect that at least his right foot went to university. ::)

yes full tanks. And Bill Grew was doing the same times yesterday

Yep, full tank for me too  ;D

Oh bu**er!!

Thought that I might try the Fezza here and was looking to get sub 2:30!! But it looks like the smart money is on ( and the faster drivers are in )   the Maserati.  :-\
Anyone getting any joy with the D type??? It has a claimed top speed that should really work here, but I cannot extract a laptime that looks anything like respectable???  maybe it's me...in fact let's face it! it probably IS me not the car!!  ::)

I might have to do some exploratory research with the Mazza before tomorrow and make a decision.   :shifty:

I can see that all that power and speed has a huge advantage here at Longford on all those straights, and that Reims is likely to be wall to wall Maserati. :punk:

I’m not sure I can make this race. I have to make an appearance at a Nephews Birthday Tea Party this evening. :balloon:
 
If I get home in time I will drive something fast like a Maserati but of course it will be driven slowly. :eek:

I am very under practiced so may either be early on the brakes or get lost down an escape road. Having looked at this circuit I would hate to miss a trip back to the sixties. ;D

If I don’t make it I hope all enjoy their race. ;)

AAAARRRGGGHHHH ... at the end of qualifying I was in the process of typing "Well done Coyote" when GTL froze and even Windows task manager would not allow me to kill GTL and get back so I had to restart PC. By the time I had done this the race was well underway  :'(

Ah well, hopefully you guys had a good one  :)

early bath tonight!  :'( Nudged braking for first right hander and spun, sorry to car following who couldn't avoid me knocking me flying into the foliage from whence I could not extract myself.  ::) ???

Pass the soap Bill, I got "eased" into a tree soon after.  :-\

hope the rest of you had better luck and more fun.  :(

A disaster that could have been a great race.
I made a good start but had to sit behind Coyote, and then got wobbly as I couldn't hear my own engine
then got pushed onto the dirt while passing causing me to go off and others to have issues
then shoved Bill2 from behind as I was following, I thought cautiously, then caught and followed only
to shove someone else Misnoimis? so left in disgust. it's really hard on that narrow track to avoid
cars of a completely different pace as the Mazzers. Sorry to anyone's race I messed up  :surrender:

hi

my first race here with you guys.
thxs for that, was good fun.
I was much faster in Maserati 5.7 (2:25.xxx), but I decided to stay in Aston (best time offline 2:28.xxx) I like that car much more and it seems to be more secure to drive.
first laps were nice, on  pos. 6 I think.
later I had no chance of breaking, two cars on the road in the esses. suspension damaged, 1. pit in, 58 secs.
some laps later made a mistake, again suspension, 2. pitstop, same time. 3. pitstop for fuel. (good pitstop-training!)
what I noticed: xd showed no tirewear, all tires as new! i choosed "dunlop vintage"
well, i would come back to next race, if theree´s a slot for me.
monday good race day for me. in the moment I cant do league races at Gamers-Crib, thursday evenings work..............
If some of you want do drive at GC-league, you´re welcome...

thxs 4 fun&race

greets hayman

Replay and results now posted.

If Hayman and Gregman plan to race here again could they please fill out their nationality in their profiles under Driver details, ta.

@ Bill Grewcock, If you car doesn't show up on the grid then your car roster will not be altered.

If any driver feels that they have cause to post an incident report please do so. Not to name and shame but to educate others in the art of Gentleman driving.

Please do not use these forums to discuss incidents.

We do not enforce a strict policy of no chat during qualy and races but please bear in mind that some drivers do find chat distracting.

When qualy starts could drivers try not to leave and rejoin unless it's absolutely necessary, ta.

Great to have you back with us Bill  :wheelchair:

I chose the slower Maserati as I thought it would be more stable but still quite fast on the straights. I had not had time to try anything else this week. I think it was a good choice for me.

I got home in time to race on a very enjoyable circuit but not one I’d like to race on for real now. How mad were those sixties racers?  I thought the car felt very heavy on fuel at the start and it did not handle quite as I had expected.

I made a few errors without causing any damage to the car early on. I then got the odd bump and got collected by or failed to avoid at speed a spinning car in the middle of the track that sent me spinning upside down in the middle of the road. Eventually after an age some helpful invisible spectators righted my car but with suspension damage it was all over the place. It’s a bigger enough challenge for me to dive one of these cars when it fit.
 
I drove on and looking at my track position and the times decided to have no repairs done, just to change tyres and refuel.

I started to get on top of the handling and although he was a lap down it was fun to have Hayman for company. I was trying to catch Tony and was closing slowly over the closing laps. The last few laps were a bit comical as I think we were both struggling with damaged and badly handling cars, worn tyres and it felt like failing brakes if GTL includes this feature, probably my imagination.  I think we were both doing our best to present the other with the position.  At least we survived and finished.

Grats as usual to winner and podiums.  :clap:

Thanks but very disappointing result.  :'(

Thanks for clarifying that, Tony  :)

 I think I might owe some apologies.  :-\

Although I was less than happy about my exit from the race last night. I had been looking forward to this iconic circuit and muscling the mighty Mazza around and had clocked a 2:18 in race setup off line, so I was hoping to be "in the action".

But, upon reflection........ there was something wrong on the grid. I could only see 1 car ahead ( Erling) and yet I had qualified 4th, so there should have been 3 cars ahead of me?? The first few hundred mtrs were wild as I tried to get the power down, but I just could not pick out my engine sound and judge the revs. I sure as hell did not want to take my eyes off the road at that point as it was all very close.

I had also noticed that my graphics were struggling to keep up at some points during quali ( blame the Mazza for being too fast for the graphics card!!) and I suspect that I might not have been getting the whole picture off the grid??

In GPL the server/client connection can "lose" cars if everything gets too hectic and I wonder if the same thing happened last night in GTL and I was unaware of cars/cars around me.

So, apologies if I caused anyone grief and maybe I need to bring forward the upgrade to my rig.........but I hate changing things that appear to work when fiddling with computers.. :-\ It always, yes always, goes t*ts up for me.  :(

Check the replay Clive and see if your grid place looks correct. Bill G was stuck in the pits so he would be missing from the grid.

hi

just a question.
I installed the jag d, both 55 and 57.
but I cant buy them and so Icant chosse jag to enter server.
Is it right, that I can use each car only 3 times? If I dont get jag d running, it will be a prob then....................
btw: next monday I cant come to race  :-[

greets hayman

Do they show up in your garage?

Yes only three drives in per make

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Sad to see so many retire yesterday  :(

Tried the various cars in preparation for the race, and much to my surprise, the loony-Mazza was the one I seemed to lap most consistently in  :o   As it was also by far the fastest, the car choice became a no-brainer.  Managed a few 2:19 laps offline, but couldn't quite match it in qual. Luckily, my low 2:20 time was enough for pole - by a hair's breadth!

Normally I would have been jumped by Clive at the start, but surprisingly, my cautious start and his struggle with getting the power down, saw me retain the lead.

Had forgotten the Mazza also comes in red, so over the early laps, I was puzzled why I couldn't seem to shake those two 'bl**dy Ferraris'...  ;D  In the first half, I had a gap of 5-9 secs to Doni.  Did my pitstop exactly halfways through. Normally I wouldn't have even considered changing tyres with so relatively little wear, but didn't dare anything else with this car!

Rejoined in 3rd and got up to 2nd when Roger pitted shortly after. Got increasingly worried, when Doni continued without stopping.  Became clear that he was aiming for a late splash-n-dash, and obviously wouldn't change tyres.  When he finally did pit, he exited 17 secs ahead of me. Hoped my fresher tyres would allow me to gain on him, but there wasn't many laps left to do so.  Didn't work out that way, when I got delayed by traffic and my own small mistakes, in my frantic attempts to close the distance.  Thus had to settle for 2nd, but really can't complain about that, given the company.

Grats to Doni on the win - much impressed you could nurse it home on one set of tyres  :)

Clive, I looked at the replay after the race yesterday, and couldn't see you doing anything wrong.

Cheers,
Erling

What a fine looking grid for last nights race  :thumbup1:

I steered clear of taking the Maserati and opted for the more sedate Ferrari 375+ which gave me a great drive around this road course. Although it lacked the top end grunt of it's Italian cousin, it felt very planted during corners/braking and acceleration, and the tyre wear was minimal  :o  (did anybody suffer from shot tyres?). In answer to someones earlier question re: brake wear. Yes they do wear out and they become very "snappy".

Shame to lose some regulars so early in this event (see later comment).

I had some smashing racing with a great side by side confrontation with Kurt. However when he hit a lamp post at 150mph this ended our battle  :oops:

Later I had Misnoimis catching me up and he eventually caught and passed me but we had some good clean driving together. Both together at the final turn and we both hit the banking simultaneously  :no: . He recovered first and sped over the finish line ahead of me  :cursing:

Congrats to all finishers and respect to the pods as their speed and control was epic.

We are due to race at Schottenring in round 10 but it's a very long road course which might be a chore to learn. I think I'd like to race here again. If you have a strong opinion either way can you pm me? We have loads of time to decide.

they are shown before entering race, i can go to showroom to see them, but "no buy" "no use"
greets hayman

hi

problem solved.................
I downloaded cars jag d and ferrari 250 tr, was not "buyable" too, from nogrip
offline it works

greets hayman

Very funny event, unfortunately many early baths on this narrow track :( - temporarily cruised in fourth place,
but then it came to a sudden death when trying to pass Tony on the first straight when I hit a lamp ::) - just
wanted too much too fast instead of waiting for a better moment.

Some strange crashes before which I couldn't avoid but fortunately without further damage for my car.

CU next time and a big thanks for organizing this great series.

P.S.: Good to see you back, Bill!

@ Bill Thomas. Sorry mate but I could not avoid hitting your car. I was approaching at great speed and in the milliseconds it took to reach you I was waiting to see if you were going to move, either forward of backwards, so that I could organise some kind of avoiding manoeuvre. Instead you stayed put so I slammed on the anchors and consequently lost steering.

oh! I think Schottenring should stay in the series as a classic track which represents the style of road circuit that these cars raced upon. Always a challenge to the drivers and cars, with all the dangers and hazards of such a location.

I assure you that my enthusiasm has nothing to do with the fact that Schottenring is a very popular and well known track in GPL :angel-wings: :shifty: :whistling: :whistling:

I had a run round Shotty and it looks like the right sort of thing
It is very long and takes some learning, but i don't see that as reason to not run it.
Only thing I found a bit off was the frame rate, I think it may be because of the
millions of trees, but on my slower system: Core2Duo GTX550Ti
I was 41 FPS inthe pits, and 51 most of the lap, which made things choppy and
hard to react, it is drivable, but some slower systems may be disadvantaged.
I tend to avoid VLM tracks because they are too much eye candy and not enough FPS
for the same reason. If I was in SOuthport on my faster box it would be fine I expect
and I will cope if others have no problem.

I just registered on Monday and could not practice much. These cars are new for me , but fun. Actually i drive GTC league on gamers-crib. I will try to join more races   CU   ;D  greetz Gregman

With Clive intimately familiar with it, and me never having heard of it, I should be vehemently opposed to racing at Shottenring  ;)

However, after a quick look yesterday, I think it would be a shame to miss out on such a great track - even if it takes some learning before you get to know it.

Cheers,
Erling

That's OK Tony, like you by the time I'd assessed which way my car was pointing you were there and it was too late to do anything.  ::) :eek:

Hi, fellas.  Pardon the delay in jumping back here with a review.

Mighty lucky!  That adequately and properly describes my race.  I was off the road several times with one in particular...nailing the wall under the train viaduct...that, by rights, should have had my Maser back on the trailer.  Still amazed that I survived that one and the car not really adversely affected.  Again, luck.

Grats to Coyote on a fine P2 placing which could so easily been the win.  I note that the difference in our pit stop times was the MOV.  If I'd taken on new rubber in my stop, we would have been side-by-side at the flag!  Would have enjoyed that!  :)

Great job by rog to nail down the final podium slot.  He and I diced for P2 early on before I staged a bit of a breakaway.

Sorry that we lost a number of runners especially so early on.

That big Maser was certainly a handful.  I only decided to try it at the last minute having pretty much leaned towards either the DBR2 or the 375 Ferrari.  Quite liked the latter as it was like driving a Cadillac compared to the 450S.

I never did get my HUD working and had little idea what was going on in the race.  I had no speed limiter...and no readouts whatsoever...and not a clue where the pit lane speed limit would kick in.  In pre-race trials, I experimented with assorted engine speeds in first gear starting at the yellow line marking the start of the lane.  3000r's = OK.  4000 = OK.  5000 = Uh-oh!  Penalty.  So I used 4k as a limit in first gear.  Got away with it!  :)  After my late stop, I had no idea how many laps remained; just plugged along hoping that the tyres would last.  Actually, the tyres felt fine in the last laps and I had no dramas. 

Good fun and looking forward to the remaining rounds.  Looking to something other than the big 450S.  It's too hard on my nerves.

Doni

Took me a long time to get a reasonable set up to be able to lap with the monster mazza, lucky Longford was a fairly easy track to learn and if i braked about a mile before any bend i was okay. Quite chuffed to be able to stay with Coyote and Doni for a few laps before they took off into the distance. Pitted around lap 14 as tires were shot, made two mistakes here added to much fuel and forgot to press the return button to activate pit crew. Sorry to see some drivers unfortunately drop out of race early.

Grats to Doni on win (and on one set of tires).