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This will be a test race for the 2.9.0.2 car and skin packs, with updated balancing changes over a longer distance.

Practice 1:	21:00	(5 mins)
Qual 2:	21:05	(5 mins)
Race:	21:10	(80 mins)

Note the very short pre-race sessions!

Cars allowed: Any GT1 from the v2.9.0.2 experimental pack (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg76901#msg76901))
It would be good to have a mix of original and add-on cars.
Weather: dry
Track: Brno 2004
Race Start Time 14:00.
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stop.

Server: UKGTR 2.9.0.2 Test
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:

• Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
• You will not be able to join the server without v2.9.0.2 of the UKGTR car pack.
  You will not see skins correctly without the optional, matching GT2 skins pack.
• Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
• Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).

Details published. Please use the poll to indicate which car you intend to take; I would be very grateful if some of the existing cars with no obvious successor are represented.

Q Dave - Do we uninstall the old skin pack before applying the new one?

And also - there's a physics pack (req) and 2 other skin packs (optional). Installing all 3 won't mess anything up will it?

Thanks

The car packs will uninstall previous ones - though personally I'm paranoid enough to uninstall previous ones manually.

The optional skin packs contain only textures and have only visual effects. They can't do any damage to online use or physics.

Just had a go with all the cars round Hockenheim with minimal tweakage. Technical track, so should bring out the best and worst qualities in a car:

DBR9: 1:34.8
C6R: 1:34.5
GT: 1:34.6
Marcos: 1:36.2 after I'd stopped laughing  :laugh:

Reference Lambo time: 1:34.8

The DBR had some iffy understeer and not fantastic brakes, so just wasn't as fast. The C6 is the pick of the crop at the moment, with the GT being more nimble, but also a bit more lairy. Worse over a race.
The Marcos was bonkers; every time I opened the throttle it was grin-city as I hung on for dear life. And you can't see a thing out of it! Rubbish, rubbish racing car, but brilliant muscle car ;D

F430: 1:40.6 ish
Gallardo: 1:42.3  :'(
Panoz: 1:40.6
997: 1:40.3

The F430 and 997 have more left in them as they both grip so much. I wasn't at the limit for either of them round most of the corners and they both gave great laptimes. The 997 I could dump the clutch, full revs, first gear and hardly had any wheelspin, so any standing starts will result in them shooting forwards. The F430 was really boring the drive though  :-\

The Panoz was great! Horrible to look at but great balance, easy to slide and fun to drive.

And the Gallardo  :(
I was all set to love this. Best car easily in real life, best sounding...but the balance was weird. Less grip than all 3 others and a snappy rear, but worst was the bodge of an engine note. It stops rising towards the upper half of the rev range in 5th and 6th gears instead of consistantly rising to the red line...like it has 2 big dead spots in the torque. I had to stare at the rev gauge to judge the gear change instead of doing it by ear.

Picks of the moment:
Panoz
GT (if I can calm it down)

I assume we dont need the GT2 skins to run the GT1's as per the first post!

You don't need any of the skin packs at all - you'll just have 'ugly' cars without them.

I see Lambo doesn't feature in above car selection Is this intentional?

Not, it's either an oversight or my subconcious being unwilling to risk attempting to spell Murkylego.

Will make this, however may need to park up about half way through, 2100hrs start is a bit to late for an 80 minute enduru.......early start at work the next day :'(

Yeah I'd prefer earlier start too, even though I watch Topgear I still record it and watch it after the race. I prefer to relax and watch it when I shouldn't be "preparing" for a race.  ;)

Oh haddocking breadcrumbs! Have spent all day stressing about how bad I am round here and how to improve. Was going alright last night trying out a few cars but didnt get under 1.56 in the Lister, then i saw the times here :o  So for the last hour and half have sat stareing at the back of the Timetrial ghost while also some lucky setups changes and now got into the 54's. I'd been dropping the fast bump but it wasnt helping over the bumps but raising them has helped no end and now don't seem be losing grip everytime i see a corner!

Well I know I'll be driving the Aston next season, but as most people are taking the addon cars i'll stick to the old ones!

I will really try to join in on this race. I drive the DBR9 in the "swedish" leauge and it's a blast. Soo it's my car choise for this race as well.

/Jorgen W

Since all you big girl's blouses have once again wussed out it falls to me to take the manly Marcos again then. :laugh:

If I can make this (I plan to) then I'll take the Marcos. Just for giggles ;D. When you're back in Holland Jeff, you are required to race this car just to see how mental it is - it's the only GT1 I know that spins its wheels in second gear!  8)

I tried it when it was released, but I race in cockpit view, so I can't see what's going on because of that lig lump :P

Unbelievable: Been doing some praccy today and all set to race...looking forward to it too, and the phone rings  ::)

Gotta go out instead and doubt very much I will be back in time  :(...have fun..once again.

I think I'm going to sit out the next few races. I seem to have lost all ability to drive and be even competitive with anybody. Just no fun at all. Over 2 secs off everyone else's pace tonight. Hope you all had more fun.

The Marcos is diwhinwqwdijhfeiljfla\lka\kljs

Gd luck Jeff ;D

Haven't played GTR2 in quite a while. Picked a car no one else was driving and went straight into it cold. started 4th from last with 3 other Team Shark fish and then proceeded up the field for the first half of the race to 4th passing a lot of people on the way, which was good fun. Then sat in my usual no-mans land for the 2nd half of the race, too slow for the podium and too fast for the pack, which was quite dull.

Really need to sort out my profile for my wheel as my buttons were all wrong. Sorry to confuse anyone with my headlight flashing, but I had my TeamSpeak button mapped to the same key as headlights so when I pressed to talk to my team mates I turned on/off my lights too! LOL. Also took me 5 seconds or more finding the right key for ignition which lost me more time in the pits, but wouldn't have made any difference.

All those new cars were interesting to see, but everyone was white which was quite confusing. Lambo is still complete rubbish on the straights.

Well done TT on the win.

Great race with Legzy....we literally ran the race nose to tail,
Legzy you were warping every now and then..hence for the little tap towards the end..although I came off worst and lost 5 seconds to you.

Sorry to the the gaggle of cars (Prof, Spanner and Gizmo) that caught me and legzy before the pit stops, had cars all around me, and I went slightly side ways in the left hander and may have ended up getting in the way of someone resulting in some kind of contact..difficult situation.

Superb win TT 8)

After a mess up on the rolling lap, I'm sorry to whoever it was I hit but I was expecting the lap to be a bit quicker! Ended up with some slight damage but at the back of the field and hoped I'd be able to concentrate with no one behind me. Prof seemed to stand still at the start, guess you were having problems with you buttons but then I seemed to be stuck in shark land as it was either Picnic, Gizmo or Prof I was chasing.

Couldnt believe how much i seemed to gain under braking or through that tricky uphill left-right section at times so you'll have to excuse the late braking moves. And i guess you were trying hard to keep me at bay in the first half Prof as you seemed to making twice as wide at times, or were you struggling ;)

I manage to nip past JPS but Dave seemed to get collected when JPS got a bit sideways. I decided to go half and half with the fuel so I guess I lost a bit during the stps but Prof seemed to come out about 2 secs infront with Gizmo a bit further up, managed to chase down Prof but I just couldnt really make much of an impression but luckily(!) he seemed to lose it in the first corner as we had both caught Gizmo. Then just spent the last 20mins or so chasing Gizmo but couldnt quite get close enough to set my self up for another late braking move without risking things.

Only really see JPS in the new cars so couldnt really comment on relative merits, though it seemed we lost a few during the race...

That was good fun but hard work  :)

Started 8th ? was that just a random grid? Anyway made for some good racing, made my way past the 3 or 4 ahead of me with some good moves apart from i think nfast who i clipped on the start finish straight when i was in his tow and just moved out 2 go past as he moved over and i touched him and i think he clipped the wall (sorry nfast).

Was chasing down the top 3 i think but TT was right on my tail and i knew he was a little faster than me but tried to hold him off when he touched me and spun me round, he waited for me  :) and let me back ahead but it wasnt long before he got past me when i made a slight mistake in the last corner.  

Pitted halfway and then just tried to be consistant. The top 2 H@ll and TT pitted quite alot later and TT came out the pits just ahead of me and we were very close for a few corners as he was on cold tyres. I could of been a little more agressive looking back but i didnt want to take us both off and he pulled away (good racing TT). Then had H@ll closing on me and after a few position changes he finally pulled away.

Not a bad 3rd in the end. First race for a long time where i actually made some proper overtakes rather than the car infront going off.

Grats TT and H@ll

Sorry spanner and all about the rolling lap :(. I thought that I was 6th or something in qualifying but when I joined the grid, I was on the first place :o. It was my first time as a leader so I wasn't sure about what to do. And sorry David if I hit you when you tried to overtake me :(.

Walked in the house at 21:06 having had to take a detour to escape from Chelmsford; jumped into the unfamiliar Saleen as I was told there weren't any, took 1 off the rear wing and fuelled it up and there was no time to find out what the car was like in race trim.

Nearly went off on lap on at the first hard stop - Saleen's brakes not so good then. :o Soon found a rhythm and tyre wear was very well balanced and was soon mixing it up with Prof, Spanner, JPS and Legzy.


I think it was actually Legzy who spun across my nose - picked up a bent splitter so chose to pit early, had no idea how much fuel I needed so I brimmed it and changed tyres whilst they fixed the splitter; must've done a good stop and some good out laps on the fresh rubber because I found myself having jumped all the cars I was fighting early on. Prof was rushing up behind me and towing Spanner along with him, but when Prof slid off in the final corner it released Spanner to attack me for the last 20 minutes - quite how I survived I don't know!

Most fun race I have had for ages :D

I thought the formation lap was quite good at the front, much better than the one time I did it. Started off with a nice battle at the front with API, Lazlow and mr_oily. I only got passed each of them after they made mistakes. I was having real trouble getting past mr_oily and Lazlow.

I got up to 1st and was there for a while :). I pushed for as long as I could before stopping for fuel and I had a 14 second lead over TT just before I pitted. Then I completely messed up my stop :taz:

Lazlow (i think it was) was stopping just in front of me and his garage was rite in front of mine. I thought he was going to go to the next garage (silly me) but when he did not, I found my self putting the brakes on hard with the engine already off, doh. Pressed my GTR XD button a few times before realising it was not my ignition button, doh again. Then TT rips passed and I take on too much fuel just to add to the injury ::)

No problem from Lazlow by the way, the error was all mine. Will look funny in the replay ;D

This did make my race more interesting though as I came out behind Gazza and had a great battle with him for several laps. He was going to let me pass so I could try and catch TT but I instantly had a massive moment from trying to push too hard, just about got away with it. Decided to race Gazza again for a bit but I had no answer for TT at the end. Thanks for putting the brakes on there Gazza, I must have been rite in your way :-\

That Marcos looks like a real handful, I almost lost it with pure surprise when I came up to overlap FreQ just before my late stop. ;D

Great race all, unlucky Jorgen, well done TT and Gazza. :)

Ford GT runs lovely, though it's a bit hard on the engine. I finished with 84% health, though I didn' really push it, engine temperature never went above 85'C, I shifted gears on first or second red bar and in orange in the second stint. 80 minutes is gonna be a struggle every time. Wish DG would allow other than 94% health start.   :(

Race went ok, random grid was a bonus. It was nice to be able to gain positions. Was following Gazza closely, spun him when we closed on another driver in front (Jorgen?). We were all just lifting off prior to entering a corner and since I was the third in line I had little or no reaction time. Waited for Gazza, lost some places, passed after his small mistake. H@l was far in front, 14 seconds. You really messed that pitstop, H@l.  :P  I was content to fight Gazza again for 2nd place. Surprisingly I came on track just before Gazza. Was close until I warmed up my tryes. If you would be more insistent I'd let you by, I was afraid to really push on cold tryes. MJ would surely pass me then.  ;D  I thank you for being cautious, Gazza.  8)  I was able to pull away and took it easy on the engine for the last 25 minutes.

I had some close laps with other drivers, but I didn't see the replay yet and reuslts are not posted yet, so I can't recall the names, sorry.  :-\

Some Legends were missing.   :(

Let's note the improvement in overall driving and achievements of all the new guys in GTR2 Championship.  :thumbup1:

Ok,guys, you can stop letting me win in these races, I'm puffed up enough now.  :D

TT

Every time it gets into the red, it dies a little inside ;D. And because it's Ford, it can't take that very well :P

It's a Ford, it's therefore realistic. :-*

Sorry for the delay I went to bed :P

Replay and Provisional Results now available.

Wow tough race, nobody finished  :o

Ford GT shouldnt even be in GT1  >:(  its a blinking GT2 car  ::)

sorry i didnt make it last night, had intended to run the C6 for first time, but missus was very ill and thought i'd best do the gentleman thing and keep her company/look after her. It was only a fun race after all, otherwise she was on her own  ;) ;D

Whoops, guess I'm still asleep this morning too. Guess someone had a race after - I never checked the times  :-[

Back soon.

Sorry Pete, didn't want to be critical.  :-\    It's not fair to name some, but not others and I had a good time yesterday. Also, 'cause of the random grid the start was more interesting, even if it was rolling. Many more battles than usual, with more drivers.  :)   Though H@l drove off, lucky front haddock.  :D

TT

FIA rules or UKGTR rules?

That really was great fun JPS. I knew you were a little quicker then I was, but I was driving well for me & my car had speed at the right points to keep you from getting ahead... so indeed a fantastic tussle  :). It was my only lapse in concentration the whole race that saw me introduce my wing mirror to a wall, that cost me about 8 secs and allowed you to get past.... Sadly once you were ahead I just couldn't keep up.


I'm really sorry, I didn't know (didn't realise we'd had contact either) I was warping. I don't think I have warped before either so decided to investigate :detective:. Turns out that the wife had decided to upload about 1Gb worth of photo's to the net also on the WLAN while I was racing. She has been dealt with :death:.


Happy to report it had nothing to do with me (this time)  ;D

Hehe,  ;D

That did work in my favour, allot, :), just a shame I threw it all away with a lame pit stop. API, mr_oily and Lazlow were all about the same speed as me at the front and chasing them did not seem to effect my lap times at all, which also helped. ;)

Right, I remember some close laps with Mr. Oily and when we (I think with Gazza) finally managed to pass him, he drove into the sand and disappeared. Err, it wasn't personal.  :D   You're on good pace with the car (DBR, was it?), Mr. Oily, I'm looking forward to next races.  :)

TT 

Looks like another good test race.  :)

I was able to spend some time praccying yesterday and was lapping in the 1:53's with the Saleen...so it would have put me in the mix.

Cars look pretty well 'adjusted' with lap times and nothing standing out as the 'dominant force'. ;D

Well done TT, and my teamies too....all up there again.  ;)

I started the race pretty well ;D...managing to hold my own with Oily and H@l at the front, but they we're just too fast for me and as soon as they got past they both disappeared into the distance. I was having to thrash the pants off the C6R to keep up the pace and because of this I shredded the tyres and had to pit early...that's where the race went pear shaped....I think I need to spend more time on my pit strategy, I got it completely wrong ???. Any hows...I enjoyed the race immensely, even if I did finish the race last :) Cheers all

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

I could actually keep TT off for for more then 3 laps...  :o in the first 10-15 minutes of the race how the darn did that happend ???
That I had a lossy fuel strategy that made my car stop on the 39 lap is something I can take... 3 WHOLE laps.... :o  I'll never get over this.
I will definitely be in this season with the ol Lister and that new "SUPER DUPER BRITISH BEEF= Aston Martin- DBR9"
Great job with new cars/mod, I hope there will be some more "Stripes/paint scheme" on them for the 09 season  ;)
I feel more competitive now after about 1 year of SimRacing, but I still need to learn allot about keeping my head cool in thous stressfull situation that occur time to time in a race  8)
I said it before and I'll say it again. " It's better to be safe.. then sorry"
Grats to Podium drivers and to all others that kept out of my way when I "plowed" my way throe the field. lol

But until then... Drive it like you stole.

 :wheelchair:

/Jorgen

You're getting better Jorgen and DBR9 suits you. I can't get any speed out of it.  :D

TT

Would some be kind enough to host the replay anyliser file? Would be interested to see laptimes for everyone as the results above only list the fastest laps.

Gotta say that was one of few races that i've actually enjoyed, actually had people to race against :P Though It has shown that next season i need to try and limit myself to just two classes to try and give me time to practise and get comfortable with the car.

I have the same problem and I have taken the decision to only drive GT1 in either Lister Storm (Racing Version) or the Aston Martin DBR9 (If it is going to be available in season 09)
I will never be as fast as thous that has fallen for the "RED" decease, but I will hopefully gain some other attributes that is just as important as in putting one self on the podium... :ninja:
The Lister is NOT slow on tracks like Brno or twisty tracks like it. My PB in the Lister at Brno is a respectable 1.52.621.
I might with a race setup maybe do times in the region 1.53-54 or at the same pace as a DBR9.
The thing is (as I see it) that the Lister have a narrow line of how big of an error or misstake you can do before it snaps at you with the result of an NO win situation. (Gravels or the barrier in my case)
However the car in the right hand will make ANY Ferrari or Saleen driver furious... if you drive it fast and can do so at a consistent pace making them unable to shake you off  ;D
Lack of top speed and HP makes the car very hard to race with when there is other cars that have 20-35 HP more and are not as a hard to drive consistent with at race pace. My help to you right now, is.
Drive slower to gain a more precise cornering technique with better speed OUT of the corner then IN to it. (in just changing you'r race line a bit you might step on the throttle earlier out of the corner)
Further more I urge you to buy 2 books "Speed secrets & Inner speed secrets" by Ross Bentley.
Thous books are made for race drivers by a race driver, and when we now are driving a SIM that is mimicking that sport it's easier to learn from thous that has the knowledge and have driven for a longer period of time.
And ask here on the forum or at the server on how to set up the car up better for a specific track ( I am known to be a "PAIN" in the rear...cause I never stop asking  ;D )

Thats probably why my Team manager want's me in the "Oil pit" where I do minimum damage and are out of harms way... right boss  ;D

/Jorgen

 :whistling:

well I did....before you became FASTER than me  8)

No race today? NGT?  :shifty:

I'm hoping to release the 'final' pack tonight ready for a short test season to begin on Sunday so any race tonight will be unofficial.

If no-one does it sooner I can hopefully bung it up when I get home and before I head out tonight. Stoopid t*scali don't let me upload from a non-t*scali connection.

Lol it was a disgrace TT - I qualified mid grid I think but ended up third for the start thanks to the randomizer. I wasn't expecting that at all so it threw me a little trying to work out if I'd actually qualified there - not wanting to waste the opportunity though I went as fast as I could possibly manage for the opening laps, snatched a couple of places and built a bit of a lead. The whole time I was trying to work out what I'd done wrong, thought I'd short fuelled or something but the answer I think was probably a combination of the grid shuffle and the fact that others were looking after their tyres while I had great fun sliding my wagon of choice about all over the place.

First time I'd tested the Aston properly and it was great, balance felt good and I had some good opening laps. Had a good dice with H@L9000 for the lead on seriously worn rubber, and tried desperately not to look at the GTR PD which was on a soapbox with a megaphone screaming at me to pit. I carried on hoping to reach half distance but missed apex after apex and it set me back loads.  Bizarrely I then just started to lose the will and my concentration, by the time you got past TT I'd had enough and parked it in disgust. I think that's a first, maybe I was all Evo'd out from the afternoon I don't know - those Radicals around Brands Hatch Indy are quite an intense experience!

Anyway apologies, won't be doing that again.  >:(

I don't think we did a qualifying session. I'm pretty sure we did Practice sessions 1 & 2. I saw it at the time but just assumed it was a mistake & Qually would come up next, but the next session actually turned out to be the race.

There was a 5 minute qualifying session, so you had to be quick to get a lap in at all.

I think Legzy's right, the second session was P2 not Q2. Not that it really mattered!

Nope, I enjoyed the randomness ;D. Being ahead of most people on the grid (about 5th I think), I had a much more enjoyable race. I saw a lot more action as people had to catch & overtake me, while normally I start at the back & watch you all disappear  ;)

If JPS had started ahead of me, I'd have missed out on a race length worth of nose2tail racing.

Yes great fun Legzy, good gentleman racing 8) I think I counted every rivet on the rear of your car by the time we had finished ;D

I have eventually found a little spare time  ;D :D...so if anyone does want to do an unofficial race tonight, I will be glad of the practice and available to set the server etc....let me know.

How about GT2 at UKGTR Spa '04 at 50% wet?  ;)

TT

I'd prefer 50% dry myself  ;)

Unofficial Lapchart (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/steveh/BrnoTestRace/)

Thanks Steve, much appreciated.

ok...not worth it with just 2 of us TT....next time eh

Sorry, my connection is running like treacle again and it's taking forever to upload the new pack.