Power and Glory Mod v2 Test - Valencia (Long) - Jan 15

[Geoffers]

That was great fun trying to hang on to the Corvette for 17 laps. Fantastic in a straight line but not keen on going around corners.

I got a poor start but once I got the power down I shot into 2nd place before T1. Tried to hang on to Madd in the hope I might be close enough to blast past on the S/F straight but I was so slow through the last tight twisty section that Madd was out of reach by the end of the lap. Jos Cobra was soon on my case & nipped past on lap 3 only to spin off a couple of laps later.

Had several laps in a comfortable 2nd place but the tyres start to cook by half distance & PR closed up in his Cobra. He soon found a way past & then Tinman & Jos also closed in for the kill. Sorry to both of you, as you both ran into me when I got a little too sideways & left you with nowhere to go, I was really struggling at the end. A couple of grassy moments in the final laps left me a distant but happy 5th at the end.

Congrats to Madd, PR & Timan.

Would love to try these cars on a faster circuit (hint).

 
Geoffers

[dynosaur]

Seems all you guys had fun once again with P&G mod. I had to skip this for two reasons, one I wasn´t in the mood of humiliating myself by taking part as a moving pile of virtual metal, two: I was so busy and exhausted when finally getting home just when the race was about to start.

Looking forward of being there in the other upcoming sessions.

[Simon Gymer]

I managed to see the start lights fine from the back of the grid so nee nah nee nee nah. Probably why I sailed past loads of people on the grid despite being in the slowest car. (1680x1050 resolution and the track detail at full and draw distance at full). Yes they were small lights, but you could still see the change from red to green, you just needed to be paying very close attention with your foot ready to raise itself off the clutch.

I thought twice about going past people off the line, as I knew how much slower I was, but then I thought, bah , this is racing and it maybe the only chance I get to a) see other people, b) pass people. Yeee haaa. Then I gained a load more places from from silly billys building sand castles instead of burning rubber at turn 2. After that people starting zipping back past me in their rocket ships, but always satisfying for the tortoise to go past the hares even for a brief moment.

[Legzy]

I managed to see the start lights fine from the back of the grid so nee nah nee nee nah.

(1680x1050 resolution and the track detail at full and draw distance at full). Yes they were small lights, but you could still see the change from red to green,

Sadly my PC can't cope already with my settings on low all-round.

[Jos Verstappen]

thanks for all the welcomes 

and don't worry guys Im not the real verstappen, only Jos is my real name and Im also dutch...

[Sandor M]

I managed to see the start lights fine from the back of the grid so nee nah nee nee nah. Probably why I sailed past loads of people on the grid despite being in the slowest car. (1680x1050 resolution and the track detail at full and draw distance at full).

I was on the last spot cause no time to do a quali-lap and I could also see green lights . Stupid thing was that I was looking where the lights would be and then I saw something green in the far distance and cars driving away

Haven't had time to do a single practice lap so drove very carefully , in a very underpowered car with basic settings . Only got in the dirt 4 times so was happy with my performance overall. Hope I didn't drive in the way of other people too much.

Concentration was the most difficult part this time cause my daugther was born last monday and was struggling with sleep and a crying baby on the background  .
Hope to put in some practice before next time.

Sandor

[Mark J]

sorry about your probs Legzy, ive not experienced any FPS drop at all for P&G so not sure what could be affecting yours  

As for starting lights, i may be wrong but i think you can turn on the HUD in-cockpit and that will tell you when lights go green...can someone confirm? Im sure i read that somewhere and intend to try it myself as would be handy when you find yourself too far down the grid. I was only 15th and couldnt or didnt see the lights.  

And if your thumping other cars your not braking early enough!   One thing that is very obvious with these P&G classics is you need to program your brain to brake a hell of a lot earlier than you think.
For most turns, brake in a straight line on the straight, even before the black tyre marks appear on track surface, staying to the outside edge.
That way your transferring weight to the front wheels giving them more grip and stabilising the car, allowing you then to turn in and power through the apex. These old cars like the slow in/fast out approach to corners. Otherwise if you leave your braking late, your fighting with locking wheels, and with understeer leading to oversteer as you drastically try and yank the car around the apex you just missed whilst compromising your exit speed for the following piece of straight !  

As for squealing tyres annoying you, just turn the sound adjustment for them down in 'Audio' settings...simple  

[Legzy]

Concentration was the most difficult part this time cause my daugther was born last monday and was struggling with sleep and a crying baby on the background  .

Nice one Sandor... I could tell you that it only gets easier 

If your thumping other cars your not braking early enough!  

I can get round fine on my own (mostly ), it's just that with less grip, every-one's cars are taking up more track round each corner (especially mine). Which is not helping me when in close proximity to other cars. But it is sound advice about getting your breaking done early.

[pribeiro]

sorry about your probs Legzy, ive not experienced any FPS drop at all for P&G so not sure what could be affecting yours  

As for starting lights, i may be wrong but i think you can turn on the HUD in-cockpit and that will tell you when lights go green...can someone confirm? Im sure i read that somewhere and intend to try it myself as would be handy when you find yourself too far down the grid. I was only 15th and couldnt or didnt see the lights.  

And if your thumping other cars your not braking early enough!   One thing that is very obvious with these P&G classics is you need to program your brain to brake a hell of a lot earlier than you think.
For most turns, brake in a straight line on the straight, even before the black tyre marks appear on track surface, staying to the outside edge.
That way your transferring weight to the front wheels giving them more grip and stabilising the car, allowing you then to turn in and power through the apex. These old cars like the slow in/fast out approach to corners. Otherwise if you leave your braking late, your fighting with locking wheels, and with understeer leading to oversteer as you drastically try and yank the car around the apex you just missed whilst compromising your exit speed for the following piece of straight !  

As for squealing tyres annoying you, just turn the sound adjustment for them down in 'Audio' settings...simple  

Very well said. 



BTW, when i see classic races live (sometimes i go to Estoril track), i hear tyres squealing a lot - at corners, under heavy breaking and full throtle(not all cars ofcourse) - it is perfectly normal.
As for the break behavior, just remember the GPL cars (same era) brake before corners, not when you are doing it, or you will suffer heavy understeer.

I have to say again, i really like very much P&G mod, however i will not quit to play GTL. 

Please read the #26 post  http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40357&page=2

[Mr_B.A.Baracus]

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As for starting lights, i may be wrong but i think you can turn on the HUD in-cockpit and that will tell you when lights go green...can someone confirm? Im sure i read that somewhere and intend to try it myself as would be handy when you find yourself too far down the grid. I was only 15th and couldnt or didnt see the lights.  
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I don't think that's the case as I have my HUD on so I can get my split times and I didn't have any extra lights. My problem was I didn't see the red lights and I was confused when the green came on (doesn't take much!) as I've been playing race alot recently and you go when the red's go off (I think).

[Legzy]

Please read the #26 post  http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40357&page=2

That was an interesting read PR, but the bloke that was being responded to had the opposite problem to me... he was finding P&G too easy ("The AC Cobra in PnG2 is a doddle to drive. I can slam the brakes on, even during a turn, and not suffer any loss of control. They turn in almost with no problem at all. My overall driving sensation is that these cars have been drastically dumned down from GTL")  
I wish I had half his skills

But when DucFreak said in responce "You guys really need to stop thinking that a full blown simulation is better -as in more accurate- when it's harder to drive."....  He couldn't be more spot on there!

[Simon Gymer]

Concentration was the most difficult part this time cause my daugther was born last monday and was struggling with sleep and a crying baby on the background  .

Sandor

Congratulations Sandor.

[phspok]

I agree with the annoying tyre squeal. It is less annoying with squeal down, and scrub noise up though

I agree with handling dumbed down. Not that I am that good, but they are more "forgiving" IMHO

Not entirely sure about the soften front stiffen rear for everything approach, but it is more that way than GTL

Different track layout I know. Private test off line I get 125 most of the way round Valencia in P&G dropping to 83 in a couple of places. Valencia in GTR2 is 147 dropping to 95 at the same places. I have medium track detail.
High car, and low most else.

[BillThomas]

As for starting lights, i may be wrong but i think you can turn on the HUD in-cockpit and that will tell you when lights go green...can someone confirm? Im sure i read that somewhere and intend to try it myself as would be handy when you find yourself too far down the grid. I was only 15th and couldnt or didnt see the lights.  

And if your thumping other cars your not braking early enough!   One thing that is very obvious with these P&G classics is you need to program your brain to brake a hell of a lot earlier than you think.
For most turns, brake in a straight line on the straight, even before the black tyre marks appear on track surface, staying to the outside edge.
That way your transferring weight to the front wheels giving them more grip and stabilising the car, allowing you then to turn in and power through the apex. These old cars like the slow in/fast out approach to corners. Otherwise if you leave your braking late, your fighting with locking wheels, and with understeer leading to oversteer as you drastically try and yank the car around the apex you just missed whilst compromising your exit speed for the following piece of straight !  

In my first on line race around Christmas time on public server I screwed up a start with the lights.  I then setup an off line race with 25 cars with no practice or qualifying so I was at the back and did a few practice starts.  I did this at a number of tracks - it's only practice and experience.

I always brake on the straight, that's why I get rear ended in GTR and GTL, so I had no problems driving P&G.

Bill

[Madd-RIP]

After talking to Ossie, I decided to give the 5 spd lightweight E-Type a blast.....what a stunning car  , so adjustable on the throttle its incredible! 

I've had a good practice and unbelievably it could have been on pole, the best time I've done so far in it is a 2.15.5, if only I'd tried this car before! 

Again Legzy, I beg to differ with your setup analysis, soft front just increases understeer on the turn in in my experience plus the amount of roll you get compromises your cornering.

The E-Type setup I've worked on shows the front springs as the hardest and the rears the softest, using motec it is quite alarming just how much the car dips under braking and having soft front springs just makes it worse.

Do not be afraid to use ride heights to help turn in either, most of the Png cars have front end lift which is bad for turn in when cornering.

I'll try and post a TT