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Title: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 17, 2007, 06:49:42 PM +0100
All members welcome.

Because this is a street circuit, you will be expected to drive with extra caution. An accident here can take out a lot more people than at a road course, so drive within your capabilities. This is a 21 lap, ~40 minute race so take your time overtaking, there are plenty of laps to do it in.

Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (21 laps = ~40 mins)

Track: Monaco 1979 v1.2 (download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#msg54520))
Cars allowed: Ferrari 275 GTB/C, Renault Alpine A110, Austin-Healey 3000, Mercedes 300SL
Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING

Server: UKGTL Classics Cup
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7).
(3) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=53)
(4) The season will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.4 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#msg54518).



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 17, 2007, 07:13:38 PM +0100
I'm scared. :o But I will be there in the Healey anyway. :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Madd-RIP on August 17, 2007, 07:16:15 PM +0100
 :D Yaay, the pimpmobile can ride again!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Flash on August 17, 2007, 09:00:41 PM +0100
My GTL is due to arrive Monday - so this will be my first taste of it online....  :sweatdrop:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mr.BMW on August 17, 2007, 11:57:50 PM +0100
Mmm the Renault, I will be sticking to these city streets like hot tar.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mr.BMW on August 18, 2007, 12:34:18 AM +0100
If I can ever thank Gran Turismo for anything, it's helping me learn this track.

MY GOD!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Flash on August 18, 2007, 09:27:00 AM +0100
GTL arrived today  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Steve Holmes on August 18, 2007, 10:20:09 AM +0100
Woah, hold me back, what a great car choice  ;D.  Three of my very favourites (the Alpine is a great precision instrument but not so much fun for me), which to choose?  This will more than make up for my disconnect at Knockhill. :)  Can't wait.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: psuedo on August 18, 2007, 10:42:52 AM +0100
hmmmmm......may go for the wind in my hair here and try the McLaren Merc oops the merc 300...


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Phil Gilliland on August 18, 2007, 03:29:36 PM +0100
Can't make this one because of holiday.  :'(

Have fun and see you all at Goodwood on the 30th.

Phil Gilliland.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mr.BMW on August 19, 2007, 11:18:05 PM +0100
2 days of tune tweaks, and I can finally keep this Renault straight and off the barriers.

I would suggest spending some time on this track before Thursday if possible. It's gonna be mayhem!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: John Kingham on August 20, 2007, 08:08:58 PM +0100
Just finished first stint of practice posting a 1:56.5 in the Ferrari.  Surely that's got to be pole, by at least 2 seconds?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mr.BMW on August 20, 2007, 08:10:23 PM +0100
Proffesional Difficulty AI is setting 1:53s in the Renault.

I expect the Podium sitters to be around the 1:48ish mark


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: John Kingham on August 20, 2007, 08:45:18 PM +0100
Bugger  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Zacari on August 20, 2007, 09:08:08 PM +0100
Is Monaco definately ok with a full GTL grid?  I remember the monaco from GTR (http://www.vampiricnation.com/files/I'm%20in%20there%20somewhere...jpg) didn't like large grids that much ??? :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 20, 2007, 09:29:00 PM +0100
Is Monaco definately ok with a full GTL grid?  I remember the monaco from GTR (http://www.vampiricnation.com/files/I'm%20in%20there%20somewhere...jpg) didn't like large grids that much ??? :D

Well it was "messy" with the AI into T1, but there didn't seem to be a problem with the grid. I have no way to test that many multiplayer drivers without actually using it so you'll find out on Thursday (when I'm not here ;) ;D). I got 2 drivers no problems on my massive home network. :P


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Flash on August 20, 2007, 10:01:24 PM +0100
2 days of tune tweaks, and I can finally keep this Renault straight and off the barriers.

You could send me your set-up, if you're feeling generous...  :sorcerer:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Zacari on August 20, 2007, 11:53:58 PM +0100
Proffesional Difficulty AI is setting 1:53s in the Renault.

I expect the Podium sitters to be around the 1:48ish mark

I sure hope people aren't in the 48s :o :o :o I managed a mid-52 in the healey and I thought I was doing pretty well with that :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mr.BMW on August 21, 2007, 02:57:00 AM +0100
2 days of tune tweaks, and I can finally keep this Renault straight and off the barriers.

You could send me your set-up, if you're feeling generous...  :sorcerer:

Sure, just check out "Renault2" through the Online setups.

Be prepared however, as I tune my cars with a slight bit of oversteer.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Flash on August 21, 2007, 10:10:09 AM +0100
Hey, thanx - I was joking, but I'm grateful  :winkiss:

And a bit of oversteer suits my driving style...   :tank:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Steve Holmes on August 21, 2007, 10:21:04 AM +0100

I sure hope people aren't in the 48s :o :o :o I managed a mid-52 in the healey and I thought I was doing pretty well with that :D

Too right, time to pack up and go home if they are in the 48s.....I was in the 52s and 53s with them (tried all the cars, damn that Alpine was quickest).  Look on GTLrank, Alpine and Ferrari best times are 1:51s.

Think its gotta be the Ferrari for fun though.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Kerr on August 21, 2007, 05:19:11 PM +0100
I had a bit of practice earlier and enjoyed it,so really looking to race on Thursday, even though I will be late for work again!

In the Alpine, which I found the most fun and easiest to drive I'm looking at around low 1.53s at the moment.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mr.BMW on August 21, 2007, 06:19:05 PM +0100
My estimates vs the AI are usually by about 3-4 seconds. Gives me a better idea of how much more I have to push.

If they're gonna be running 1:51s tho, that might be ok. Only 6 seconds off pace LOL!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Flash on August 22, 2007, 10:40:11 AM +0100
The server is currently set to Nuerburgring.

Will I be able to practice online for Monaco before the event?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: PeterRST on August 22, 2007, 10:41:42 AM +0100
Is Monaco definately ok with a full GTL grid?  I remember the monaco from GTR (http://www.vampiricnation.com/files/I'm%20in%20there%20somewhere...jpg) didn't like large grids that much ??? :D

Well it was "messy" with the AI into T1, but there didn't seem to be a problem with the grid. I have no way to test that many multiplayer drivers without actually using it so you'll find out on Thursday (when I'm not here ;) ;D). I got 2 drivers no problems on my massive home network. :P

I've done a race here with the nogrippers. Seemed to work fine with a 27 car grid!

I'll hopefully be there tomorrow, too!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 22, 2007, 10:59:17 AM +0100
The server is currently set to Nuerburgring.

Will I be able to practice online for Monaco before the event?

That could also mean you haven't got the correct track installed correctly...


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Flash on August 22, 2007, 11:24:21 AM +0100
That's quite possible - I added a large number of tracks yesterday and forgot to put my trackpack back in this morning. Just can't remember if I put it in before or after I tried online.

Have to have another look.

Sure, just check out "Renault2" through the Online setups.

Be prepared however, as I tune my cars with a slight bit of oversteer.


Thanks a lot for that - I was having horrendous problems getting around without 'n' spins and bouncing around the barriers - felt like the ball in a pinball table -but after applying your set-up I could actually drive 'normally' - for these cars - and enjoy it.

It's only my second attempt at GTL since it arrived, though, so I'm still 10secs off your time. That'll be down by tomorrow evening, though, spotting improvable stuff all the time.  :punk:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Flash on August 22, 2007, 11:27:06 AM +0100
BTW - my racing name was taken at the registration, so I had to use 'FlashHeart'. Don't know what I'll show up as in-game, as its the same in GTR2, but my profile name comes up - hopefully be o.k.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mark J on August 22, 2007, 11:24:09 PM +0100
am back from sunny Italy  8) so looking forward to getting sideways 60's stylee around the chic streets of Monaco  :-*

Prob take a fezza or Healey, though not tried any of them around here yet.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: psuedo on August 22, 2007, 11:32:54 PM +0100
I will be going with the British option of the Austin Healy....Tried them all but apart from the sound of the Fezza, it the best motor there. I was going to go with the merc....but that stupid little windscreen thingy is right in the line of sight...no matter where the seat is positioned so not for me that one.

Best time (so far) 1:54:4

Looking forward to this one, providing everybody drives sensible and manages to avoid all my spins  :D



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mark J on August 22, 2007, 11:38:43 PM +0100
No putting it into the harbour Pseudo....those yachts are expensive  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mr.BMW on August 23, 2007, 06:45:55 AM +0100
Unfortunatley I will no longer be able to make it for tommorow :(

Probably for the best anyways, I can't get my laps under 1:55:8 no matter what I do, and I've spent more time tweaking the setup than learning the track at this point, I would probably just be a hazzard.


I'll be back next week for sure tho in the BMW!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mark J on August 23, 2007, 12:47:23 PM +0100
this race should be excellent tonight, these cars feel really suited to the track and are pretty close in laptime comparisons with the Merc bringing up the rear.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: popabawa on August 23, 2007, 01:03:23 PM +0100
I have an unexpected free evening tonight so it looks like I might be making a GTL appearance (if I feel safe enough after a bit of pre-race practice!).

I hope there will be a few other slow-coaches for me to race!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Steve Holmes on August 23, 2007, 01:23:13 PM +0100
this race should be excellent tonight, these cars feel really suited to the track and are pretty close in laptime comparisons with the Merc bringing up the rear.

Very true, the only difficulty is going to be overtaking and lapping, it's pretty tight, I suspect panel rubbing may occur  :)

Should be a good strategic race though, pick your moment with patience.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Flash on August 23, 2007, 04:33:40 PM +0100
I have an unexpected free evening tonight so it looks like I might be making a GTL appearance (if I feel safe enough after a bit of pre-race practice!).

I hope there will be a few other slow-coaches for me to race!

Don't worry, Pops, you'll be seeing me (vanishing) in your mirrors  :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Alex vV on August 23, 2007, 04:39:33 PM +0100
I have an unexpected free evening tonight so it looks like I might be making a GTL appearance (if I feel safe enough after a bit of pre-race practice!).

I hope there will be a few other slow-coaches for me to race!

If there are places left, I'll be there! We can battle it out for the last position then (and watch the mirrors of course)  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 23, 2007, 04:46:22 PM +0100
If there are places left, I'll be there! We can battle it out for the last position then (and watch the mirrors of course)  :)

I'd be utterly amazed if there weren't! :laugh: ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Madd-RIP on August 23, 2007, 05:05:31 PM +0100
low 1.53 in the Pimpmobile Healey for me, although it is somewhat hairy!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Alex vV on August 23, 2007, 05:15:49 PM +0100
If there are places left, I'll be there! We can battle it out for the last position then (and watch the mirrors of course)  :)

I'd be utterly amazed if there weren't! :laugh: ;)

Ah! I see..

Well... two probably stupid questions from a newbie:
1. I am trying to connect to the server with the c*****c password, but that fails. What am I doing wrong?  ???

2. Are the start times UK times?

Thanks!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Zacari on August 23, 2007, 05:20:48 PM +0100
Until the race start time, the server will be using the practice server (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2929.0) password :)

And yes, the start times are UK time, which is BST at the moment.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Alex vV on August 23, 2007, 05:27:28 PM +0100
thank you  :-[


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Kerr on August 23, 2007, 05:34:58 PM +0100
Hopefully the race will start sharp and end sharp tonight so I can just about make work on time.

Don't think I'm rude by jumping ship straight away without the standard congratulations to the podium etc.

As for the number tonight, I'm expecting big numbers. Everytime I'm on here there seems to be more and more people expressing an interest and getting the GTL bug, which includes me!

My GTL has been on the shelf gathering dust since I bought it until I joined in a race a few weeks ago to see what it was like and I'm now hooked.

It seems most people like Monaco, so it would be nice to see big field


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Kerr on August 23, 2007, 05:40:06 PM +0100
Just noticed the race start time is actually 20.50. If the 21 laps add up to 40mins that is ideal for me! Cheers whoever set the time!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: BillThomas on August 23, 2007, 06:45:11 PM +0100
Living on the coast, this time of the year we have visitors staying.  Helping to look after and entertain them had meant I've not had time to learn the track and get decent times - 2:05 is about the best.  ::)  In view of the narrow circuit and Armco barriers I have decided to give tonight a miss.  Have a good time all.

Looking forward to next week at Goodwood.  Raced there recently and there's plenty of "Bondu" to explore when you have a moment without affecting other drivers.  See you there.  ;D

Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 23, 2007, 07:42:39 PM +0100
My current best time is... er... haven't even installed the track yet. :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Flash on August 23, 2007, 08:02:54 PM +0100
Bill, I think it depends also on what you're driving - there's quite a power difference between the A110 and the others and that's a flippin big hill at the start of the lap!!

My initial times in the A110 were 2:07 and I'm now 10 secs under that  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Flash on August 23, 2007, 09:03:58 PM +0100
I think this had potential to be a good race.

I wasn't too displeased with the fact that I didn't get a clean quali lap in, cos even though I was 3 secs slower than my PB, the next place up was below my PB, so I was prob in the right place  :D

After the start instead of giving the guys in front some space, like I was trying to do as it was so packed, people were trying to force their way through all the way to the tunnel - no patience spotted!

I thought I'd just give the guys in front some space and things would slowly spread out and then we could get in some good racing. But it seemed everyone wanted to get to the front on lap 1.

Admittedly, there were some problems with cars after the start, seemingly appearing out of thin air - lag, maybe? I dunno but I did hit 2 cars at the start who appeared like out of a magicians hat directly before T1.

Anyway - out on lap 1 again. And rather disappointed.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 23, 2007, 09:14:45 PM +0100
After the start instead of giving the guys in front some space, like I was trying to do as it was so packed, people were trying to force their way through all the way to the tunnel - no patience spotted!

I thought I'd just give the guys in front some space and things would slowly spread out and then we could get in some good racing. But it seemed everyone wanted to get to the front on lap 1.

Yep. I'm sure it's not coincidence that Shark scheduled this popular but utterly devoid of any good features for actually racing venue for when he was on holiday.

Nearly didn't bother as I traditionally hate Monaco. In practice the car felt terrible, but during qualifying it started to come to me and I was really starting to enjoy it. Got way higher up the grid than I expected (probably some old GPL knowledge returning) and started very conservatively, as did about 50% of the field. Unfortunately the other 50% bumped and barged their way through the first couple of laps and it was distracting enough that I started clipping walls. The cat got worse and worse and after a big hit into the armco I looked at the time, and decided I would enjoy watching Blood Ties a lot more than driving Monarmco so I quit.

Good to see a big field.

Respect to PRibeiro for taking the 300SL, and for letting me back past during the race - I really didn't think you'd done anything to justify that. 8)

Thanks to newcomer Alex for changing out of the Team Shark Junior car immediately on request. 8) I don't think you actually got a full qualifying lap in but I hope you had a better race than me.

Backo - please make sure you turn vehicle tags/labels on during practice and qually. You drove into me and another car and probably couldn't see us but you already have a bad reputation and there's no need to make it worse like that. ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: John Kingham on August 23, 2007, 09:43:38 PM +0100
D'oh!  Crashed out again about 3 laps from the end   :-[.  To be honest I was just praying for the flag as the Ferrari's tyres seemed to have gone AWOL and I was running on the rims at the end.  The last 10 laps or so I was a sitting target for the guys behind  :-* and it's so depressing seeing a glorious 7th place slip down to 9th or 10 or whatever it when I splattered into the armco  :(.

Goodwood next, both virtually and in reality too  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: ASSASSINO on August 23, 2007, 09:49:12 PM +0100
i was puted away on t1, went right back to the end, then the nightmare started since no one made it easy to pass glad i dindnĀ“t touch anyone seriously, after spinned 3 times managed to grab a 7th place, some nice atempts to pass some drivers, hope to see it on replay and on vid :)

In the end, bad race i planned a podium.

Once more the qualy times get slower than the practicing times.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: pribeiro on August 23, 2007, 09:49:47 PM +0100


Respect to PRibeiro for taking the 300SL, and for letting me back past during the race - I really didn't think you'd done anything to justify that. 8)


Thank you Dave  :)
Well, honestly when i passed you at the pool (you run a bit wide there), i got the feel that
under my full throtle, i could forced you to lift throtle to avoid hitting the wall and therefore
you not be able to discuss the place, so, after half a lap thinking about that, i had let you pass me  :D

Start was a bit odd with some cars disapearing and returning to track.....so it was strange some ppl
trying hard to take a position at first lap (i even was pushed in a midlle of a corner like GT4 way, driver
used my car to turn better)  ;D and after that i tried to be more careful wich cost me a couple of places,
to avoid some over exciting lads.  :P
But in a general way i liked the race and my final 9th place.
Good win Baracus.  ;)

Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: psuedo on August 23, 2007, 09:52:18 PM +0100
The start from where I was (11th I think) was a total shambles. :(  Barging and trying to win a race on the first lap just doesn't work....a little more awareness is required to enable us to keep the excellent standing start scenario....but new folks will not be very impressed if they keep getting barged out of the race in the first couple of corners IMO.

Other than that....the race went......TERRIBLE  :'( for me.

Settled into about 10th after the start and held place reasonably well...under pressure from pRibrero I think it was made me look in the mirror at the wrong time and BUMP....busted suspension.
Pitted and got repaired then got a speeding in pit lane  ::). That was two laps down on the top 5 or 6 by then. I stayed with it though...enough may have crashed to warrant a decent spot.  ::)

I'm looking forward to a WIDE track next week.

Congrats to winner and podium


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Alex vV on August 23, 2007, 09:56:30 PM +0100
Thanks to newcomer Alex for changing out of the Team Shark Junior car immediately on request. 8) I don't think you actually got a full qualifying lap in but I hope you had a better race than me.

Thanks for letting me participate. Finished 17th I believe, and reached my goals as a newbie: finished (yeeaahh!) and did not barge into other cars  ;) . If I got in someone's way, feel free to let me know...

A big thanks for the guys in the back which did not quit. It made my 'race' at the back worthwhile.. Oh and big cheer for the guy with the Ferrari at the back (sorry, don't remember your name).. he had a really hard time !!! ( I was too chicken to pick the Ferrari at Monaco).


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: pribeiro on August 23, 2007, 09:59:02 PM +0100
BTW, excellent behavior from the guys who were loosing a lap,
everyone i caught, simply made easy overtook manouvre,
in a track like Monaco, it helped a lot, cheers guys ;)

And to the new lads: when we pass you and flash the headlights, we are just thanking you
as we cant type during race, thats the way to say THANKS 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: pribeiro on August 23, 2007, 10:05:59 PM +0100

Settled into about 10th after the start and held place reasonably well...under pressure from pRibrero I think it was made me look in the mirror at the wrong time and BUMP....busted suspension.

And you were doing great Psuedo, nice driving while i followed you  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Kerr on August 23, 2007, 10:17:22 PM +0100
Had a right good race! Made a great start only for the car ahead to forget to go by the looks of things causing me to loose a few places.  spent the whole race chasing mark jonzo and it was very close lap times, just he was quicker with the ferrari on the straights and made it impossible for me to get past. Eventually there was a small coming together and iwas stuck behind the accident. The next driver came round the bend and accidently ran into the back of me and it set me free. Mark was soon back on my tail returning the pressure and it was fun. Well pleased with 3rd


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Madd-RIP on August 23, 2007, 10:18:39 PM +0100
 :( Managed to sneak  a spot at the start but the got squeezed into the inside barrier with assassino in front, neither of us could really move so I just had to wait and rejoined in 20th, eventually got back up to 8th but tyres were totally gone and assassino gave me a hard time and passed me, also had a fight with John Kingham, Gizmo and Backo so at least I was kept busy !
I'll have to check the replay to make sure I didn't cause any probs though...its all a bit of a blur atm!  :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: picnic on August 23, 2007, 10:24:18 PM +0100
Results imported, get your replays here (https://replay.simracing.org.uk/ukgtl/Monaco%20-%20Classics%20Cup%20070823.zip)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: baracus250gt on August 23, 2007, 10:30:27 PM +0100
Had a right good race! Made a great start only for the car ahead to forget to go by the looks of things causing me to loose a few places. 

Sorry if that was me Brian!! Starting on pole is a distinct DISadvantage on this track because I couldnt see the start lights!! I had to wait until I saw cars move in my mirror before I dropped the clutch!!

Zacari got past and we had a great dice for 3 laps - tucked right up over his bumper. Going into T1 on the 3rd (or 4th?) lap he must have left his braking a fraction too late and went wide into the barrier, so then I used my V12 power to out-drag him up the hill :)

Had a messy few laps after this looking in the mirror too much, but sorted myself out and started driving more relaxed and flowing, which felt really good in this car. Still had many barrier scraps through the race bit nothing that didnt keep me going forward - except on penultimate lap into Rascase I braked wrong and went straight on into the barrier! Lucky my engine was OK and I did a clean last lap with max concentration so as to not throw the win away!

I love Monaco - I think you can overtake fine, but you gotta pressure the guy infront into a mistake and take it with both hands.

Thanks to all lapped traffic - as PR said, all made nice gaps so passing was not a worry at all.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: will16v on August 23, 2007, 10:32:28 PM +0100
Strange race that one - never driven this track before tonight in GTL, and was expecting on hitting escape before the end of the race as a result of some disaster...but didn't do too badly, and started enjoying flying around Monaco in the Renault.
Got a good start i think, but there were definately some issues with cars flashing in and out of view on and after the first turn...
Had a couple of good battles with pops for a couple of laps, and S Drake (sorry for the tap - tried to wait to let you past again though).

Excellent turnout and  and welcome all new drivers - can't wait for next week... 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mark J on August 23, 2007, 10:38:42 PM +0100
I thought that was a cracking race tonight, a brilliant track for these old classics, full of nostalgia and excellent racing battles.

Qualied 5th after beeing 4th almost the entire session, but my new nemesis Brian snatched 3rd from me with about 2 mins remaining. Knew a high qually spot was important here so still very pleased with 4th. Was amazed that a new PB for me of 1:51 was only good for 5th! :o
Got a reasonable start in the race and managed to avoid the spinning Alpine of Assas? at T1 up ahead as i rounded the corner, just squeezing between him and the armco..phew.
I think a rolling start here would have been even more chaotic at T1 as the cars would have carried more momentum into a spun car. Even in the real world T1 at Monaco is notorious.

Set about chasing after Pablo and had an amazingly tough fight with him ahead in 3rd, me 4th and Kerr behind in 5th for about 20 minutes / 10 laps or so, with only a second or two between us. I was sweating like anything with wrestling the F275 around the tight corners. I eventually closed right down on Pablo and he started to make some errors under pressure and then he cracked running wide at Ste Devote.
With 3rd under my belt and setting good lap times i was feeling confident but was keeping a close eye on the hard charging Kerr who wasnt giving me a moments rest for lap after lap. It was strenuous stuff  :fencing:

With about 3-4 laps remaining i caught a back marker in the swimming pool complex (worst place ::)) and he got a little indecisive as me and Kerr bore down on him. I unfortunately clipped his rear into the tight corner and he half span blocking the track. So apologies to Madmacc? for that. I thought i would do the gentleman thing and let him turn back around rather than force my way through but Brian, being one of those dastardly Shark blighters, pushed around the outside and nicked my hard earned 3rd place.  :'(
I drove like a man possessed to chase him back down and closed right up but on the final lap i side-swiped the armco on worn tyres, lost momentum and he pulled out the 1second needed to stay nicely ahead.

Pleased with 4th but gutted i lost 3rd to traffic. So  8) but also  :(

Congrats to the podium guys...save me a sip of champers, i earnt it  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Kerr on August 23, 2007, 10:45:07 PM +0100
It was not you baracas who blocked me. The 2nd place car must have had the the exact problem as you. It did end up too many cars fighting for places come the first corner and he either lost it or was taken not. I was too cautious and let a place or two go only to gain them back.     Great fun and i will be back for more.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Kerr on August 23, 2007, 10:50:13 PM +0100
I never pushed round mark. It was the next driver, stevie holmes i think, came round and ran into the back of me sending me clear. Until then i was stuck behind the accident.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Zacari on August 23, 2007, 11:42:02 PM +0100
No idea why people are worrying about seeing the lights off the start.  Am I the only one that gets a big '3..2..1..GO!' countdown on the secreen before the start ??? :P

Result was better than I'd hoped for in the under-powered Healey, was getting eaten alive down the straights and I'm more than happy to get 2nd.  Start was bizarre but great for me, as I duly slotted through the gap left by the front row and scampered off into a nice empty T1 ;D managed to keep the fezza at bay for 2 laps but I didn't get a good enough drive out of T1 on lap 3 and gave best to Baracus, not wanting to risk one or both of us going into the barriers unneccessarily.

After that brief brush with the lead, I settled into a steady rhythm in a clear 2nd- and had a pretty uneventful race after that right up until the flag :)  My tyres were pretty bad at the end, brake balance was too far back and kept locking my rears into many of the corners which was not the greatest!

Grats to Baracus, and Kerr for keeping TSJ top of the pile ;D 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: BACKO on August 24, 2007, 12:39:44 AM +0100
Backo - please make sure you turn vehicle tags/labels on during practice and qually. You drove into me and another car and probably couldn't see us but you already have a bad reputation and there's no need to make it worse like that. ::)

 >:(Look my friend,never I use vehicle tags/labels and I wont be use them!!!I can't concentrate  for racing with them!!!Simple as that.I sow you from far away ,but I didn't expected you go about 100km/h almost in the middle of track ,where we used to go about 250 km/h straight behind tunel!!!!And I wanted pass you from left side,but you went also left, pls stop  writing words like ''don't drive like PRAT'' ??? ??? ??? pls keep for you next time.Every race I'm trying race fair and I'm not joining in make accident wittingly!!!!THX :(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Zacari on August 24, 2007, 12:55:03 AM +0100
Look, I saw that incident in practice and that explanation is.. not consistent with what was on my screen ::).  Bah I'll save my breath, nothing'll go in anyway.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: baracus250gt on August 24, 2007, 12:59:45 AM +0100
No idea why people are worrying about seeing the lights off the start.  Am I the only one that gets a big '3..2..1..GO!' countdown on the secreen before the start ??? :P

Nah!! I switched that off in the PLR file - felt so arcadey with those numbers coming up on screen! I much prefer going when you see green, WHEN being the key word in this case :/

Feels more like karting that way (and 'real' racing I guess but I haven't done any of that) :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Zacari on August 24, 2007, 01:16:23 AM +0100
You're right, it is very arcadey :D but it's only for a few seconds and getting the start I did from it makes it a worthy compromise imo :P ;) 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mr.BMW on August 24, 2007, 01:48:25 AM +0100
Told you guys Bara would hit the 1:48ish mark lawl

You're a freak of nature!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: psuedo on August 24, 2007, 03:19:15 AM +0100
Backo - please make sure you turn vehicle tags/labels on during practice and qually. You drove into me and another car and probably couldn't see us but you already have a bad reputation and there's no need to make it worse like that.


 >:(Look my friend,never I use vehicle tags/labels and I wont be use them!!!I can't concentrate  for racing with them!!!Simple as that.I sow you from far away ,but I didn't expected you go about 100km/h almost in the middle of track ,where we used to go about 250 km/h straight behind tunel!!!!And I wanted pass you from left side,but you went also left, pls stop  writing words like ''don't drive like PRAT''    pls keep for you next time.Every race I'm trying race fair and I'm not joining in make accident wittingly!!!!THX

Well...just watched the replay..from lots of different perspectives...and I have got to support my teamie Backo....and not coz he's my teamie.

At the end of the day we all have different driving styles, (and there are no rules about having to have tabs/labels on)...some styles are aggressive, some passive and some everywhere else in between. Backo has done nothing more 'wrong' in this race than anybody else. Yet it seems he has been sinlged out for some critisism because of his 'reputation'.

Racing online as we do needs ALL the different styles/types of driver....if we were all of the same mentallity then nobody would even consider overtaking ???..we all just sit there and say " no, after you"
If you watch the replay in detail, some of the 'experienced but maybe not quite as quick' drivers make worse errors and manouvers than Backo does.....they are not being slated!...IMHO Backo is being 'picked on' because he is fast and at times over aggressive due to having a competetive nature. Backo knows he has to kerb this...(he's had enough penalties) and is trying his best to change his normal driving style to fit in with the required 'norm'......what about the rest?  Should they not get as much pressure?
I only ask that before folk are 'condemed' to the reputation as a 'bad' or ' over aggressive' driver/member of the community that ALL people are treated equally.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Kerr on August 24, 2007, 03:44:06 AM +0100
I Think dave was talking about qualifying and not the race. The quote that backo used from dave was during qualification. I have no idea what happened so cant comment.     There is no doubt that backo is very fast but has to cool down a bit. Most of the mistakes disappeared towards the end of last season and people highlighted this.     Like myself people know he is essentially a good driver with much to learn.  I really dont believe that anyone is out to get him or playing on his reputation.      For instance I choose not to make issue after being taken out on sunday night.  I could have but I did not because I have seen an improvement and for once recieved an apology.      Once backo develops better race craft and an understanding he will be a far better compeditor. The line between aggression and unfair is too easy to cross.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: psuedo on August 24, 2007, 03:56:42 AM +0100
Yes...totally agreed Brian...my main point is though that backo is not the only one doing what is considered 'wrong'....If you have the time to watch replays, and study the driving of all drivers, then backo is no better/worse than some others......why are they not being mentioned on the forums in public view like Backo is ?.... not through 'normal' complaint channels as we are supposed to do.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Kerr on August 24, 2007, 04:17:15 AM +0100
I'm sure if you study every race there is loads of incidents that go unreported. That's generally because people are happy with an apology and know it was a rare incident, the person does not try to gain from incident, or at times you have to concede it was an accident.    I would say common sense can stop most accidents but the nature of racing there will always be a few.  Like you say though it should not be discussed on public boards but likewise it has to be highlighted that there are numerous drivers unhappy.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: psuedo on August 24, 2007, 04:58:12 AM +0100
Aye...I couldn't agree more. Lots of incidents do go unreported thats a fact. I myself should have been reported on numerous occasions ;) but there again there has been numerous occasions I should have made a report and didn't....mainly because it was neither here nor there.....unfortunately though at the moment...it seems that if Backo turns up in the wrong colour socks he would get a mention and probably a report too. He has gained a reputation...and unfortunately he has to live with that....but I think we should all back off him a little and let him adjust his style as best he can.....giving him (or anybody else) a public 'flogging' wont do any good.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is....Give the lad a break :angel: He will probably become one of the best and most respected drivers in the league....given the chance


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Mr.BMW on August 24, 2007, 05:14:01 AM +0100
I suppose what I'm trying to say is....Give the lad a break :angel: He will probably become one of the best and most respected drivers in the league....given the chance

Actually, unless he listens to Wang Chung while racing - this will never be accomplished.

So far I am the only one to hold this title of "Respected Driver" solely for the fact that I have Wang Chung's hit Single, "Wang Chung Tonight" on repeat while I race.

The Results speak for themselves.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: popabawa on August 24, 2007, 07:27:35 AM +0100
Yes...totally agreed Brian...my main point is though that backo is not the only one doing what is considered 'wrong'....If you have the time to watch replays, and study the driving of all drivers, then backo is no better/worse than some others......why are they not being mentioned on the forums in public view like Backo is ?.... not through 'normal' complaint channels as we are supposed to do.

If a driver has amassed a large number of penalty points then I think it's likely their actions will be more closely scrutinised and commented on.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Steve Holmes on August 24, 2007, 11:41:58 AM +0100
I never pushed round mark. It was the next driver, stevie holmes i think, came round and ran into the back of me sending me clear. Until then i was stuck behind the accident.

Absolutely, I came round the corner, nowhere to go and couldn't stop, piled into the mess and then it seemed to sort itself out - and lost Mark 3rd place.

Funny race, I was tired and was slower than I expected (did a 1:52.0 on my second hot lap when I got home, thought 1:51 would be easy, but tiredness = slow reactions) so couldn't get it together in qually.

Made a good start from 13th, passed 4 or 5 cars, and then a couple of leaders off on turn 1 and I was 6th.  Took a long time to settle into the race and find a groove, all the time holding up the Healey (stnasky?) in 7th, but he was very cool, had a look a few times but didn't make a dive, then I think he must have made an error and he slipped back.  Never managed the pace of Mark or Brian ahead so 5th was as good as I could manage.

I was fairly assertive at the start, quick getaway with more momentum than those around me, I did do some slight panel rubbing but I'm pretty sure no-one lost out, and then braked early for T1 and tucked in cleanly.  At least that's how it seemed to me, I must check the replay and make sure I didn't compromise anyone, which is possible going from 13th to 6th.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: popabawa on August 24, 2007, 11:42:58 AM +0100
I'm reasonably pleased how that went :)

8th in qualifying was waaay above expectation but I was then unprepared for the sheer level of aggression, particularly on the first couple of laps.

I dropped a few places after a self inflicted mistake on the first lap then another couple when I was trying to give a struggling Dave Gymer some room. I was trying to do the right thing and I lose a couple of places to more aggressive drivers who weren't prepared to give anything up. I guess that's the nature of GTL and that's why I tend to avoid it <shrug> :-\

I drove pretty consistently after that, had a very good and fair battle with Will16v until he unfortunately span off, I was then way behind PRibiero with no prospect of catching him.

Despite the start, pretty pleased with 10th ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: pribeiro on August 24, 2007, 01:40:40 PM +0100
I was DQ  :helpsmilie: :eek:
Can someone tell me why please?  :-\
Or i have to have a word with FIA marshalls  :whistling:

And as popabawa said, i finished in front of him  ::)

Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 24, 2007, 01:43:40 PM +0100
I was DQ  :helpsmilie: :eek:
Can someone tell me why please?  :-\

I'll wager you drove the wrong way up the track after the finish. That's the usual reason. Silly boy. :P


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 24, 2007, 01:49:54 PM +0100
According to the times in the results, you were 10th, not 9th. Results corrected accordingly.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: John Kingham on August 24, 2007, 02:39:07 PM +0100
Just watched the replay back.  Excellent race, thanks to Psuedo, Madd-RIP, Assassino and Backo for some great racing.  Psuedo did a fantastic job in front of me holding his line, using some kind of pro-drift style through the top of the hill a couple of times  ;D  ;D until he tried to take a shortcut through the armco at the pool!  Later on Madd-RIP, Assassino, Backo and I ran in a train of cars for most of the second half, fighting hard but fair (mostly  ;)).  Assassino was clearly the fastest but kept spinning for some reason, but within a lap or so was looming large in my mirrors  :o.  Madd-RIP did exactly the right thing and just sat behind me being annoying until I mashed one very expensive Ferrari into the barriers.

One day I will finish a race, I promise  ;D  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: ASSASSINO on August 24, 2007, 04:55:17 PM +0100
Assassino was clearly the fastest but kept spinning for some reason

Sabotage


I was pushing the car to the max, to gain more positions, hard to try to be faster but to avoid hiting other cars in Monaco.

I had one of my best GTL experiences.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: pribeiro on August 24, 2007, 06:42:51 PM +0100
I was DQ  :helpsmilie: :eek:
Can someone tell me why please?  :-\

I'll wager you drove the wrong way up the track after the finish. That's the usual reason. Silly boy. :P

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh......indeed, i flipped over the 1st corner wall and fell to an endless hole  8)
Thanks Dave  :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: KL Mallender on August 26, 2007, 03:45:26 AM +0100
I wish to thank you guys for allowing me to join the race at Monaco, I had a great time (very nervous-but great) I was not familar enough with Monaco to be confident racer, but I finished, I appoligise to anyone if I held you up when you came into my mirror, I tried
to stay out of prefered line, and not be a hinderence to those overtaking me. Congrats to podium, You Guys are "Bad Fast" and very
talented, It was fun to see how it`s supposed to be done, for me: more practice and time.

Thanks,  Kevin L Mallender.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: madmac on August 26, 2007, 02:18:41 PM +0100
Hi

Didn't get much practice because I was recovering from Chemo so just wanted to finish the race. Thought I had come 13th not 14th but there you go! See you all on Thursday.

Peter


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Monaco (1979) - Aug 23
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 26, 2007, 03:03:18 PM +0100
Thought I had come 13th not 14th but there you go! See you all on Thursday.

If somebody has to scamper very soon after the end of the race the game 'forgets' them and the places all shuffle up.