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Track: Le Mans (Frank.f55s) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg128898#post_lemans)

Cars allowed: Ford GT40

Required Skins

Ford GT40 Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/file/0744xgvo9151qmo/Ford_GT40.zip)

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (12 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 19:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None

hello,

i can not open the le mans track download, i got a message which i can not translate in english (not good enough my english is), something with i have perhaps not enough rights? to open this programm, i did test with admin rights too, but nothing did happen.

can i download this track somewhere other too, to have identical version?

i hope i can make this race.

servus

Let me try the download and I'll get back to you.

Ok just tried it myself. If your on Windows 10 you get a message box saying "Windows protected your PC". Just click on "More info" then click "Run anyway".

Or download from here http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=1009

thanks toni,

i got a information like you write, but in window8, and i did it like you write, but after this, i got this error message with perhaps not have enough rights (if i do admin open i got it too), but thanks for nogrip link, will download from there.
i hope i forgot not the race, i do not regular watch ukgtl forum (as i do nearly no online races anymore) and so i hope i do not forget, i must mark it in my calender, haha.

servus

Just to be sure that I have the correct track d/loaded.
This is showing as "Le Mans" in the GTL track list and is the version with chicanes on the Mulsanne and all those left/right curves after Indianapolis... then the 2 tight chicanes before the S/F.

In other words the strangled version where we don't get 3 miles of Mulsanne straight with rubber burning, engine destroying tarmac where we can howl like wolves and dribble over our steering wheels?? ::)

Yep, that's the one

IMPORTANT

Time of day revised.

Oh you sneaky little * * * * *.......................... so now we need headlights!!!!???? How is a numpty like me supposed to cope with this??

Ah come on, your new super computer should handle a nice little evening race no sweat..  ;D

Incidentally, now that you have some serious horsepower, have you experimented with the graphics settings, to make the game look its best ?

When I first set wheels on this version of Le Mans yesterday, I had horrible line shimmer with my normal settings (on the white lines at the edge of track, and on armco).  By changing the anti-aliasing settings, I managed to get completely rid of it.  Can offer advice if necessary, so just let me know.

Erling:
What is your secret?   My old PC is fine in the daylight but when I run the nite time it starts to strobe at high speeds in the GT40.  Never had this problem before in nite races.  It's not the usual GTL headlight flicker, it is black horizontal lines across the screen.  Maybe it's just the PC won't handle the frame rate, if so maybe have to give up on Mondays event, way too distracting for my old brain cells.  Have all my video settings as low as they will go....

Bob M.

What spec PC Bob? What graphics card?

I don't want anyone to miss a race due to daylight settings so I am happy to revert to standard 14:00 if it helps?

I'm afraid I may not have a solution for the problem you describe Bob. The line shimmer that plagued me was actually more visible under daylight conditions on the track. The lines you describe, I haven't seen.   You can check your frame rate by hitting 'Ctrl-F' when you're on track in the game, and thus see the impact of various settings.  Are the lines worse or better on high settings (whether frame rate is playable or not) ?

It sort of sounds like a refresh rate problem?

Hehe, still coming to terms with all this power  :o.  The graphics are indeed a step up ( several steps up!!) from my old rig, but I am getting shimmer/distortion along the Armco and a little on the white lines which I was not anticipating, now that I supposedly have the hardware to cope with decent graphics?

So I would appreciate any tips/adjustments to the graphics to optimise the experience please. Incidentally I am running the graphics at 60Hz on 1920x1080, which AFAIK is all that the monitor will take...unless of course you know differently?  ;)

No, you should definitely run at the monitor's native resolution ;)
I'll make a writeup once I'm home.  Are you familiar with Anti-aliasing and Anisotropic filtering and what they do to the image ?

"Are you familiar with Anti-aliasing and Anisotropic filtering and what they do to the image ?"

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wacko: :wacko:

I would admit to recognising the words............................as to what they do, or do not do,  ::) I am ready to be educated  :smartass:

google it

LOL okay okay, just no reason to explain what you already knew, but here's a brief crash course:

Anti-Aliasing:  Removes jagged edges; mostly visible on slanted lines - looks like small ladders without it. Different methods and levels, with varying impacts on image quality and frame rate.

Anisotropic filtering:  Level of this determines how far things are rendered sharply. Low levels has only stuff near you sharp, while more distant things are blurred.  Highest level has stuff sharp right to the horizon.  Little impact on frame rate with modern video cards, so no reason not to use the highest level.

You can set the level of Anti-Aliasing with GTL config (but not the method). Normally you specify it as 2x, 4x, 8x etc, but GTL Config calls it 'Level 1' to 'Level 6'.  You can also set it in the 3D settings for your video card, overruling GTL's own settings.  I ended up doing that yesterday.  Anisotropic filtering has to be set in the 3D settings for your card, again overruling GTL (where there's no option to set it)

You mentioned a 1080 card, so I assume it's Nvidia based. Mine's AMD, so I can't tell you exactly where to change the settings, but expect you to be able to change the same things as me.  Maybe someone with Nvidia hardware can advise on where/how ?

I believe your card is faster than mine, so you shouldn't have problems with the settings I use.

Here's what I did:  First changed Anti-Aliasing (AA) method from Multisampling to Supersampling.  With earlier video cards, Supersampling had too high an impact on frame rate, but with my present one, frame rate dropped from 'ridiculously high' to 'slightly less ridiculously high', so not a problem.  Removed some of the shimmer, but not all. 

Had level of AA set to 'Level 3' in GTL config. Upped it to 6.  Frame rate took a hit, and shimmer looked worse!  Lowered it to 1.  Frame rate got a boost, and shimmer looked a little better, but still present.

Next tried changing AA level in the 3D settings for my card instead, overruling GTL.  Options are 2x, 2xEQ, 4x, 4xEQ, 8x, 8xEQ.  Went straight to 8xEQ, but that was too much; removed the shimmer, but frame rate started to stutter.  4xEQ had ok frame rate, but still some shimmer.  8x proved the sweet spot: all shimmer gone, but still very smooth frame rate.

Hope it makes sense; otherwise just ask (Would be a shame not to get the most from your new rig)  :)

Or maybe tearing, if Vertical Sync isn't on ?

Bob, if you're unfamiliar with it, it's a setting that synchronizes your frame rate to your refresh rate.  Prevents tearing in the image, but also lowers your frame rate to your refresh rate (60 Hz probably).  I'm not sure what happens if PC can't achieve a frame rate at least equal to your refresh rate - maybe lowers it to half that ?

Setting for GTL is done with GTL config (outside the game). Has to be run as administrator - otherwise your selections aren't saved.

Yor GTL graphics config file can be found in the same folder as your GTL.exe file. It's called GTLconfig.exe, just double click it.

Thanks for your help guys but I better not get into any files and really botch it up.  I did a PC re-start this AM and that seemed to help some also.  I also learned in a 1/2 race with 12 AI,  that if I turn my lights off on the straights the flickering goes away and then turn my lights on when a curve comes up its OK because my speed is down. I know the track well enough that I can handle that. My FPS is running from 160 to almost 200 which doesn't seem the problem to me.  So guys if you lap someone in the straights and I don't have my lights on it's only me!!!  
Tony: Don't change the format, keep  it a nite race, nice challenge for us and I don't think I'm a challenger for a series Trophy LOL.

Bob M.

Edit:Put the track and added skins into a different load (last season F-1).  Guess what no flicker at all, see you all Monday...

Great to hear you got it solved Bob.  Was wondering; those 160 - 200 fps, is that with minimal settings ?   If it is, it sounds like you could easily dial up the video settings a notch or two.   Could be interesting also to run the GTL Config program in each of your installs, to see if there's any difference in the settings that might explain why only one of them flickers.

I think that you will get a miss match message when you get online tho...............

Thanks for the education course guys.

I was out last night, but will have a tinker with the config file and the Nvidia settings later. I am thinking that it might be prudent to save a copy of the config before I start digging around in there. As the Nvidia is set in factory default ATM, I can easily restore to default if required. At least I should be able to get back to where I am now if it all goes t*ts up  ;).

Yesterday I did a short practice session ( with the zigzag barriers and white lines ) and discovered that :-

a) The gearing is too low and I am banging on the rev limiter for what seems like 70% of the lap even in 5th gear??
b) The rear tyres took a lap to get warm and the front tyres appeared to stay stone cold no matter what I did, so front end grip was minimal.
c) Did not try night time driving but I have concerns about picking out apexes and braking points in the dark.

I am looking forward to racing on such an iconic circuit regardless of any issues with the car ( or my driving abilities!!) and despite my poking fun, thanks to Tony for setting this one up.
I would quite like to run a proper long distance race around here, maybe with a choice of cars that would offer some with better fuel economy vs more powerful machinery so that the pitstops ( which all cars would need ) might even things out?

In GPL we worked out a handicap system that required the faster cars to spend longer in the pits, so that in theory if every car ran at optimum speed everyone should cross the finish line together.
Of course that never works in practice because we are all human and make mistakes. The result was that the drivers who chose the fast cars ran off into the distance at the start and then made their pitstops. The slower cars would almost inevitably pass those in the pits and get well ahead, then the problem was for the quick cars to work their way back to the front. TBH the aliens are always aliens and would get whatever they were driving to the front, but quite often the handicapping meant that they had to drive at 100% for the whole race and would only get to the front on the last couple of laps, which kept things very interesting right up to the wire. One mistake could be the difference between hero or zero..................................just a thought.... ::)

Bob, the GTLconfig.exe file is user friendly. It's there for you to use. You would have seen it the first time you ever started up GTL. Give it a go, it will not muck anything up, honest. Remember to right click on it first and choose "Run as Administrator"

Thanks all for your help.  Learned some stuff, but will miss Mondays event because I just got a call from my doctors office, have a appointment for a hi-tech body scan for my back problem just before race time.  Therapist says I am not progressing as I should, maybe have other problems and they want to check me out.  I think it's just my almost 76 year old body!!!
Erling yes those FPS numbers were with minimum videos setting.
Tony I went online and you are right I got the mismatch message useing the F1 load.  I also took a chance and went into the config file, it was set at 60 so didn't mess with it, but was good to know about it.

See you all @ Korea hopefully
Bob M.

Well...... I have tried ( or think I have ) altered some of the values as suggested by Erling, but to be quite honest I cannot see much difference/improvement thus far.

Maybe I need to try various combinations of settings??

Interestingly, Erling appears to have options 1-6 in the GTLconfig window for AA, where I only have 1-4??

My NVidia Control Centre has a graphic which shows a good crisp rotating object - don't think I've touched it since I installed my graphics card couple of years ago!

You probably have to experiment a little.  Do you have to (and have you ?) set the drivers to overrule the in-game settings ?  (I do, otherwise the game dictates the settings) 

I don't know why I have two more AA options in GTLconfig - maybe AMD has more options than Nvidia ? - You shouldn't miss them though, as they all looked crappy...  ;)

If you experiment with the settings, you can Alt-Tab out of the game to change setting, and then see the effect immediately when you Alt-Tab back into it - that makes it fairly easy  :)

aha!! Alt Tab!!! That could make things unbelievably better. I have been altering the settings , booting GTL, doing half a lap, closing GTL, re-opening Nvidia, adjusting the settings, re booting GTL etc etc.

Never knew that I could swap out of GTL with alt-tab and get back in again....this I gotta try!!!  :o

Thanks Erling, some more things to try.

i did a few laps practise in server
little problem is, that 5th gear is a little to low and so i had around 3-4% engine wear a lap, which can be little problem in 12lap race, if you start with a bad % engine.
so my question is....can i hit ESC in GTL when i am already on track and go back to setup menü again? like in GTR2 is possible, but in race07 i think you get a DQ, so what is rule for this in GTL.
i do question, because if i get a low % engine (think in GTL this is random too, like gtr2), then i go to pits and go back to track again before race do start.....ahhh, only 30sec. in GTL?`

i did 3.40.xxx lap as best with 105litres, no idea if this is good or bad, but car feel good.

hope many people do drive this race, i like the car and track is good too (but little to long straights for this car)

last question....is in england still 1hour behind germany time? with change clock and time ago? or is this in england not syncron with germany in change clock 1hour back in winter time?

servus

Yes, you can hit Esc and go back on track as many times as you like, as long as the countdown is still running, so don't get caught out..  ;)

If you did a 3:40 lap, you're a minute quicker than me.. :o

I'm quite sure Germany is 1 hour ahead of England - we are here in Denmark, and I believe we're in the same time zone as Germany, but please correct me anyone, if I'm mistaken.

Sick for some days - hope to be there tomorrow. But my best is still around 5:30  ??? ::) (only done one lap  ;D )

Yeah - Germany and Denmark are one hour ahead of the UK

"i did 3.40.xxx lap as best with 105litres, no idea if this is good or bad, but car feel good."

Even if that should read 4:40, that is a worryingly fast time compared to what I have managed so far  :-\

Best lap at Altbierbude is 4.34!!!!!!!!!!! :o

Did you set it ?  ;D

Was that time set in a GT40??!!! that is most definitely in alien territory. What chance do us mortals have ?? mumble mutter mutter  :no: :no: :wheelchair:

CLive says this....... but then somehow, completely unexpectedly, quite out of character  ::)
he will magically find a few seconds from somewhere... Mable's handbag perhaps

I would be very happy if I had Erling, but sadly, no it wasn't me.

Yes GT40 Clive.

LMAO Matt.
 Mabel has many things in her very large handbag, but as far as I know "seconds" are not among the contents. However, Arnold has been instructed to find a demon tweak for the setup that will provide me with a stable drive. He has a couple of hours to adjust things with his scaffold tube and 4lb hammer before I risk life and limb, in whatever is left of what was once a pristine Ford supercar.  :o

hello,

sorry people for confusion.
4.40 i did laptime,  3.40 is not possible, haha. this is only in GTR2 with a fast GT car possible.

servus

Results and replay now posted.

Our three race celebration of the Ford GT40 is over and we have found our champion

Congratulations to Berger R-74  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

2nd - Erling G-P  :clap: :clap:

3rd - Geoffers  :thumbup2:

Thanks to everyone who took part.

Grats to Berger, Erling and Geoffers on showing how these cars can, and should, be driven.

Despite making a complete and utter screw up of Lap 1, and dropping way down the field after throwing the car into the kitty litter at least twice, I was beginning to enjoy this event. I had done a few practice sessions, but always in daylight and when darkness fell for the race I found that I was struggling to pick out my braking points and the apexes. In fact I picked up two cut warnings in the first two laps, which focused my mind for the rest of the race.
Matt's prediction that I would magically find a couple of seconds on race day was sort of correct. I did manage to hook up one cleanish lap in qually that pulled a 4:40.xxx time, but was more frustrated that split times were showing me that I could have done a 4:38 or faster if I could avoid making mistakes. By the time we got to the race I had worked out that I was pushing too deep into some corners and not deep enough into others.
I guess that my improvement in speed shows that I respond to direct competition once I get onto the server? Prior to the race last night my PB was around 4:44.xx, so if I had posted a 4:38 time that would only have been an improvement of approx. 2.5%?, not exactly earth shattering but undoubtedly faster by 6 seconds.
Once I had fully tested the gravel traps and ensured the safety of all other drivers in this event I set about concentrating on picking out the apexes in the gloom. ( Still some issues with graphics as I had strobing and tearing with headlights on, so only used them when absolutely necessary).

I picked off a couple of places and was eventually trying to close the 20 second gap to Matt around lap 5-6 when the screen ( and computer) froze exiting Mulsanne corner. After switching off the wall socket, and rebooting, I investigated the cause and found another Microsoft package that wanted to "update" at the crucial moment  :-\.
A disappointing end to a fun series and on an iconic circuit that I was enjoying. Thanks Tony for introducing me to these cars.

We have received a message from the local A&E department.....
Arnold is progressing well in hospital now that a scaffold tube has been removed from the lower end of his digestive system and is expected to fully recover in the next few weeks, provided that he resists any urge to break wind. He has expressed his gratitude to Mabel for pointing out his error in such a clear manner and has promised not to make such a hopeless job of setting up any car in the future.  ;)

Nice race last night with Matt in view for all the race. I wasn't fast but I managed to not bin it with a cut or a big error, only a couple of scratchs at Porsches when I fall asleep and forgot to shift down  ::) and a wide braking at the end of the straight.
Clive, I don't hide that I had a laugh when you passed me and then went in the kitty litter soon after at Indy  ;D , but I was sorry when I saw you discoed  :(
I have Win10 too and I disable Windows Update and Background Download services when I race. You can run services.msc and disable and stop both services.
Next one

Highly enjoyable outing at a circuit that we have not visited in a while. Thought the dusk to night worked ok too. Was having good racing with Kurt and Bob until an excursion at Tertre Rouge caught me out and killed my lamps. Decided to quit out to save my eye sight. So watched Berger and Erling battle it out, nice one Gent's.

Quite an enjoyable but intense race on a version of Le Mans that I quite like, except for the bit from Mulsanne corner to Indianapolis which not right. Too straight!

Very pleased with my qually time until Reinhard went 1.5s faster  ::).

Start was bad as I nearly lost it changing from 1st to 2nd, somehow kept 2nd place into the Dunlop chicane. Reinhard was a bit slow initially, getting used to his dodgy steering & the nightime setting & I was able to get past on the run to the first Mulsanne chicane. Was able to ease away from Erling & Reinhard over the first few laps, but when Reinhard got into 2nd place the gap started to come down.

I then made one of my increasingly common mistakes when instead of looking where I was going, I was studying XD. Before I knew it the car was going sideways, managed to catch it but overcorrected & shot across the road into the barriers before Tertre Rouge. Reinhard & Erling went past before I could resume & I knew that without a major mistake from them I had to settle for 3rd. Actually that is probably where I would have finished. As it got darker I found it more & more difficult to pick out some of my braking markers & I was getting slower & slower each lap whereas Reinhard & Erling were getting faster, so they would have caught & passed me anyway.

Congrats to Reinhard & Erling on 1st & 2nd in both the race & championship.  :clap: :clap:

Think I am going to turn XD off in future races, I seem to spend too much time looking at it & not where I am going.  ::)

Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/LeMans_13112017)

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Totally frustrated in free practice as I was unable to brake with these beasts. Then I found an online setup (for the Nordschleife!)
which made the car much more driveable  :D and I stayed with it.
Nice race with some offs towards the end - had to finish the last two laps without headlights - and a funny beginning  ;D including a new pb.
Lonely one during most parts of the race though.

CU next week.

Thanks for the results Kurt  :thumbup1:

Great race for me yesterday. Love Le Mans and love the GT40. To me, it's one of the hardest cars to drive fast (relatively!) in GTL, but like the challenge, and with Duc Freak's sound mod added, it becomes one of the best sounding cars in the game :drool:   Nice touch btw. Tony, making it an evening race - very fitting for Le Mans!  :)

Puzzled when Reinhard posted his 4:40 laptime here. At the time, 4:40 was what I had done on race fuel, with a best of 4:39.0 on less fuel, and a promise of a 4:38, when I stuffed it at the Ford Chicane.  Had a Cosmic miracle taken place ?  Was I suddenly on par with - or even faster than an über alien ?   Nope, discovered online that universal laws like gravity, and 'aliens are always faster' were all sound and still in place..  ;)

Not sure where my 4:36 lap came from during qual; never been near that time before.  Still behind the aliens though - whatever you do and whatever you achieve, they're always at least one up on you - wonder if that's a Cosmic law too ?

Start went well, when I retained my 3rd place.  Got a tow from Geoffers on the first leg of Mulsanne, slipping in front of Reinhard.  Geoffers edged away up front, while behind me, Reinhard gained momentum, as he adapted to his adverse conditions.  After a few laps, he slipped past.  Chasing pack was a fair bit back, so no other immediate threats. Hoped Reinhard would catch Geoff, and that the two gents would slow each other enough for me to keep up.

Didn't play out quite that way.  As I flashed Bill a thank you for letting me past at Tertre Rouge, I caught a brief glimpse of something looking like Geoffers' car, stationary at angle at the track side.  Could it be...?  Yes, pit board next lap confirmed I was now in 2nd, Reinhard 5 secs ahead, Geoffers 10 secs behind and 4 laps to go.  2nd place seemed a possibility, if I could maintain my pace and avoid mistakes.   Couple laps later, I came upon a dust cloud and a rejoining Reinhard at Indianapolis.  He got going again before I could get past, but it had shown a chink in his armour. Dared I dream of more than 2nd...?   Reality check soon set in however, when he didn't repeat the mistake, and instead stretched the gap to 5 secs again before the finish.  Very chuffed with 2nd though, in this company :yes:

Grats to Reinhard for the title and bagging a win, despite limp steering wheel and unexpected night conditions - that was impressive !!  :o :notworthy: :notworthy:
Grats to Geoffers on 3rd overall.

Commiserations to Clive for his disco  :(  At least it seems reassuring if it's a Win10 problem that can be dealt with, and not a hardware issue with your new rig.  Surprised you didn't have the upper hand here, which you so clearly had at Silverstone.  Did your setup from that race not work here ?   I tried everything to make it possible flooring the throttle out of corners, to no avail - had to restrain my right foot instead, so had expected to be at a disadvantage again here.  Hope you get the graphics issue sorted too - did you ever get rid of the shimmer ?  I have tried making a couple of screenshots illustrating the before/after of my changes. Not as good as watching it 'live', but still shows a marked difference.  Best viewed full size, so won't post them here, but can mail them if so desired.

I did find time to briefly dabble with the graphics settings on my new rig, but the few adjustments that I made did not seem to make much difference  ???
I will have to revisit this when I have more time, because with an 8Gb Nvidia 1080 video card I think I should expect near perfect graphics ???

Last night I had reverted to Nvidia default, just to be safe, and the shimmer was still there. When I used the headlights I had horizontal tearing, so I opted to drive in the dark for a more stable picture and only use the lights in a couple of places where I needed to see the apex.

FWIW I also found that mashing the gas out of corners did not work here like it did at Silvy. I was a couple of seconds a lap quicker when I introduced the power smoothly, and when I got the braking right there was even more time to be saved. The problem was getting everything right at every corner, which is the same on all tracks.
Initially I treated both of the Mulsanne chicanes in the same manner dropping to 2nd gear and squeezing on the power at the exit. But I discovered that 3rd gear worked better at the second chicane. My big Achilles heel was the entry to the Porsche curves where I just could not get my braking/line/turn in/speed correct and I suspect that was where the aliens were gaining 3-4 seconds on my best efforts.  :-\

I should certainly think so too.   Back when GTL was brand new, there were some discussions and comparisons of image quality on Nvidia vs Ati (now AMD), and this particular game definitely looked better on Ati.  However, it's so many years, and so many graphics chips generations ago, that I can't believe it's an issue anymore.  Must be a question of finding the right settings.  Will be happy to help if I can.


Used 2nd myself in both Mulsanne chicanes - terrified of running wide in the 2nd one, as even the slightest excursion on to the reddish track edge on the left of the exit, would call down the wrath of the cut track nazis, so had to keep speed down.   Porsche curves very tricky for sure. Biggest problem for me was having enough restraint, to not run wide; had to go quite slow on the entry and midways.

Clive, did some more digging and found this:

So basically to make a long story short, if you're looking for AMD's full-on supersampling image quality then do not use NVidia's supersampling AA type, use their regular Multisampling in combination with Sparse Grid Supersampling, and make sure they are both set at the same sample amounts. Like with AMD's supersampling, 4x is pretty close to 8x but with much less FPS hit.

Taken from this thread (mentioning shimmer problems): https://forum.studio-397.com/index.php?threads/is-nvidia-image-quality-a-joke-or-is-it-just-me.42621/ (https://forum.studio-397.com/index.php?threads/is-nvidia-image-quality-a-joke-or-is-it-just-me.42621/)

You may need to do this: Download Nvidia Inspector for full control of the graphics settings.

Many thanks for the advice and the links Erling.

I spent about an hour this afternoon reading the posts about Nvidia graphics settings and modifying the parameters on my new rig. I used the Alt/Tab switch in and out of GTL to tweak things with the Nvidia Inspector patch and then dived back in to see what improvements had materialised.

But TBH I saw very little improvement ( if any?) and I still have jagged white lines and moving patterns on the Armco and the grass.

I religiously made sure that I "applied" all the changes, but I have my doubts about what is happening. I even discovered that the 1080 card has a GT Legends setting, so I tried that too.

Before I had to quit for domestic reasons, I had decided to test whether any adjustments were actually being implemented. I am going to deliberately try and make things worse to see if the display changes.

Is there a setting within GTL ( possibly the GTL.ini ??) that would stop the Nvidia software applying changes??

This race was a screw up for me right from the start and didn't get any better as the laps went by.  At the start I forgot to put the car in gear, so sat there racing the motor with nothing happening.  Sorry to the guy behind me that I held up.  Then I was off in last place and seeing Red and missed my braking point on the last right hander that puts you on the roadway and went into the sand and tire barrier.  Pranged the alighnment and the car pulled right for the whole race and also if I braked hard it would jerk left or right at random.  Finally caught up to Tony who was having the same kind of race as I was.  We played leap frog for many laps the lead car would go off and then get passed and then the same would happen again over and over again untill he had a off and lost his lights and retired.  After that I just motored on until the finish and gave a huge SIGH that it was over.  Thanks to Tony for the series, not often we get to race the GT40.  Grats to the race podium and bigger grats to the series podium!!!  Well done to all...

Bob M.

You're welcome; just sorry to hear that you're not seeing an improvement  :(

Did you download the Nvidia Inspector program ?  If I understand the info in the thread correctly, it's needed to set some of the changes (unless Nvidia has made them available in their interface - the info is a few years old after all)
- Sorry; didn't read your reply carefully enough..  ::)

I have no knowledge about anything that could stop the settings from taking effect.  Do you have to specify that the driver settings must overrule the in-game settings ? (I do)  Or could there be an 'Apply' button of sorts to activate after making the changes ?

Making things worse deliberatedly sounds like a good plan.  If you still don't see an effect, then maybe try exiting and restarting GTL, instead of the Alt-Tab, just to check if the latter for some reason doesn't work with Nvidia.

Really hope you can get it working.  Fortunately most tracks aren't as bad as this; I lived resonably happy with my former settings, although I got a little shimmer on most tracks.  New settings looks much better though, so looking forward to trying them on upcoming tracks.

Discussions like this can be a can of worms, as each company has such rabid fanboys that sifting the rubbish from the truthful info can be really difficult. Seems to be some useful info in the thread, despite its less than fortunate title, so hope you ultimately can put it to good use.

Didn't get much chance of any practice for this one at all, I don't think I had even completed a clean lap before race night.

Didn't set a qualifying time at all because of joining late and then crashing on my outlap which bent the steering.

So started at the back with Eifelblitz.

Flag dropped and I thought I got a great start then Bill stopped (To avoid Bob) and I ran into the back of him and was 1 headlamp down before I even started the race proper.

Settled into the race and due to others misfortunes found myself up into 7th by the end of lap 1. The lack of illumination didn't seem to cause too many issues other than the entry into the Ford Chicanes, I simply never found my braking point unless I was following another car.

Slowly made ground on Roguk and then messed up the entry into Dunlop Curve putting me abut 12 seconds adrift. A recovering Clive made short work of me also and disappeared off into the distance leaving me a very lonely 8th by the end of lap 4. I guess Roguk had some issue as suddenly I was making ground on him at the rate of several seconds a lap and by the end of lap 8 I was right with him. Made my move into Tertre Rouge and what I thought was going to be a masterly overtaking move resulted in me completely missing my braking point and saying hello to the barrier. I'm sure I heard Roguk chuckle to himself as he motored off into the distance. Was back with him by lap 11 and this time it was he who messed up the same turn running wide at the same turn on Lap 12 and I was through with enough of a cushion to hold onto 6th for the flag.

I really like these but do find them very difficult to handle. I found a reasonable set up near the beginning of the series and other than gearing and fuel was frightened to touch it for the remainder of the series.

It's interesting listening to Clive and Erling discussing graphics issues. I find this track horrible graphics wise. It simply looks awful on my system I have an I7 @ 4ghz, 8gb Ram and a GTX760 so I'm not short on power. Other tracks and cars look great but this particular track gives me tears, shimmering and textures which simply look "harsh" and hurt my eyes over race distance. I've not messed with graphics settings as all other tracks look great. The replay on the other hand shows none of these issues and looks great other than a lot of shimmering from headlamps.

Might be worth Clive tring a different track as his visual benchmark?

Thanks for the race guys, Congrats to the podium.

TTFN
John.

Thanks for the heads up about Le Mans John, maybe I am flogging a dead horse in trying to get a "perfect" visual experience at this track???

@ Erling....

I did download the Nvidia Inspector and it offered me a much more comprehensive list of parameters to play with ( totally screw ).

I did read through the posts and replies that you linked to and thought that I understood the issues before I started "adjusting".

There is an APPLY button on the Inspector which is supposed to implement the changes and there is a parameter about "overruling game settings" which I tried ON and OFF.

If I can find the time later today ( retirement is not the quiet life that you might think it is!! How on earth did I find time to go to work??!!!) I will give this graphics gremlin another treatment on a different track and report back on what happens.

Thanks for all the advice guys ;) .

It really seems a worst case, this track. On the other hand; if you can make this look good, all else should do so too.  With the changes I made, I did get completely rid of all shimmer, albeit with a massive hit to the framerate, but if it's high enough to begin with, it doesn't matter.  Very puzzled that you don't have the issues in your replay - mine looks exactly like the in-game graphics, with regards to the problems.

Note to Clive - just saw your reply as I was about to post - Apologies regarding Nvidia Inspector.  Am at a loss to explain why your changes doesn't seem to take effect - definitely sounds like you've done all the right things.  Hope further experimentation will shed some light on the mystery.

Just my two pennuth but could it be that the GTL graphics engine, being so old, simply doesn't have the capability to respond to modern day graphic cards bells and whistles?

Maybe some of the new features Tony, but AA and AF was around when GTL was new, and it's all I've used to affect the graphics.  Supersampling which I ended up using, has been around for years, but my earlier videocards weren't fast enough for me to use it - it's apparently a 'brute force' kind of method, requiring a lot of horse power.  The Sapphire card I'm using is based on AMD's RX 480, is quite new, and an 8Gb card like Clive's, so if I can get an improvement, I'd expect it to be possible for Clive too, even if AMD & Nvidia has different approaches.

I had terrrible trouble trying to get good results with GTL with my poor eyesight, using nvidia graphic card but now all fine and GTL looks great even Le Mans.

1 Finding the right nvidia driver and one that saves your settings (some do not).

2 Download and install Nvidia Inspector and i used these settings from Goldtop

 Anti-aliasing mode - Override application settings

 Anti-aliasing setting - 8xS [Combined: 1x2 SS + 4x MS]

 Anti-aliasing transparency multisampling - disabled

 Anti-aliasing transparency supersampling - 2xSparse Grid supersampling

 Antiscopic filtering mode - user defined/off

 Antiscopic filtering setting - 16x

 Texture filtering negative LOD bias - clamp

 Texture filtering quality - high quality

 Multi display/mixed GPU acceleration - single display performance mode

I am on win7 with nvidia gtx770, graphics driver 6541, so this might or might not help you on win 10.

For me using ALT TAB out of game then back does not show any Nvidia settings change, have to exit GTL then restart.

Supersampling AA is definitely the way to reduce the stroboscopic effect od curb, side line and rails. On my 7 years old ATI HD5700 I can cope only 2X AA with supersampling to not have massive fps drop, but it was looking better than 8X AA without supersampling.
Ciao

Thanks for the advice guys , some more things there for me to "look" at  ;).