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Practice 1: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (18 Laps) ~40 mins - note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: Shelby GT350 SCCA, Falcon Weslakeheads, E Type Jag Coupe/Roadster/Lightweight 4-Speed (not Lightweight 5-Speed).

Weather: Dry

Track: Portimão (Autodromo Internacional Algarve, v1.1.0.0) (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#post_portimao)).
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Start: STANDING

Minimum Pit-stops: None required.

Server: UKPnG2.1 S2 Classic
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

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Legzey,
although your race data states the circuit is the 0.9 version the actual download link is to a 1.1 version.  Will this cause a problem?

Laurie

Update at 11:30
Probably nothing to do with my earlier comment re version numbers, but having downloaded the 1.1 version and installed it, it does not show in the game circuit list so unable to select it.  It does however show in the Locations files

Laurie

Just for the info, there is a brand new 1.2 version.
http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=25980

Sorry Laurie, that's just a cut n paste typo on my part. We are using the version on the end of my download link in the race announcement (not the 1.2 version PR posted).

Also FYI, I think the track is listed in the game as "Algarve stadium" or something :-\

All sorted now Legzy, thanks for your input

Laurie

Announcement now updated :)

First attempt in the Falcon was a 2:25 and I have now reduced this to 2:17 but still wondering what might be lurking over the next crest in the road.

Quite a change from last night's Monaco race.  At this circuit it is possible, at some points, to go off-track as far as the Spanish boarder with good traction and without hitting anything either.

Cant get on with this circuit so I'll give this'n a miss. Have fun.

That's two in a row Tony.  Tut tut tut   :nono:

What happened to the steelly grit to master the circuit whatever is thrown at you?

Surely one of the cars will suit!?

I don't think that I will do too well here as there is nothing to tear the wheels off of anyone who strays off course.  I tend to race within my limits rather than at them and then hope to gain as those who overstep the mark fall by the wayside.  That's why I'm not so good at qualifying either.  I just don't have the "it or bust" lap in me".

Have another go.  It's not that bad!

 

I see it as being very similar to estoril... But with the dull flatness removed 8)

But I like dull flatness.  :(

Just had a quick go in the  SCCA...  2:12.2 for now, should be able to get a good bit off that when i work the track out.

2:14.973 in the Falcon.

My best bits add up to a 12.7 so I just need to be able to put them all in one lap.  Thimple!!  ::)

Cya all
I do not find track

Tanks all

Regards

Casadei Marco

Cya , track error , no possible entry .

Thanks

Casadei Marco

Can't find download or can't find server?
The download is on Legzy's link here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#post_portimao  but is called Autodromo Internacional Algarve, v1.1.0.0

I will check to see if the server is running.

Yep,
Server running 
GAME NAME = UKPnG2.1 Classic
CIRCUIT = Autodromo Internacional Algarve LMS

Problem is error .
install trak ma error inizatitation

sorry mi traduction

I am also unable to join server
have installed version off the page.
"booted as possible cheat" constantly

I'll test it in a few mins too. Has anybody been able to get on the server?

Nope , sorry.

Just checked a few minutes ago and got booted as a possibe cheat.
If I used cheats I wouldn't be driving this bad  ;D

Same here. I see Clive is on there. Sabotage?

It's my track you cant have it!

And I'm sure you promised to miss more races than this Ian!   :P

Thought I'd give it a go whilst Clive wasn't looking, and no one was on the server, but still got booted as a cheat. He has clearly scuppered it for all :)

Right, it's now sorted (I'd managed to install 2 versions on the server at once :o 8) :wacko:).

Anybody that couldn't get on will now be able to
Anybody who could get on before (Clive & Me) needs to download the correct version of the track (as linked in the announcement post).

I thought that I had!!!!

Per Marco: il server adesso non dovrebbe più dare problemi! Riprova ad entrare con la versione che avevi già scaricato. Se non dovesse funzionare, scaricala nuovamente da qui http://www.filefront.com/15557943/SRou_GTR2_Portimao_1.1.0.0.exe (http://www.filefront.com/15557943/SRou_GTR2_Portimao_1.1.0.0.exe).

Sorry for my Italian post... just to assure Marco that the server is ok now! I think I'm gonna jump even this one... too slow and dangerous in a track like Portimao with the pad... I Hope to be able to drive with my steer soon!!! See you soon guys, and have fun!!!

Bye :)

Hard luck Manteos.  Keep taking the medicine and I'm sure you will be back with us soon.

I've tried all of these cars now and have to say that no earthling in his right mind will use anything but the SCCA.

Managed a 2:09.2 in that now, and even on the right circuit!

Tanks all

These cars are supposed to be fun and slidey, but they are understeering and gripless pigs. Where the hell is the funfactor in PnG?

sorry but I'm not sure you'll get an answer for that here Jeff. Maybe you should ask the creators on their forum. :-\
let me know how you get on yeah
 

LOL   Here!  ;D

Well I'm having fun.

I have never driven one of these beasts for real but I will say that, in PnG, when you step out of the Falcon and get in the GT350 you think you have gone to heaven!

I've been looking for articles that discribe how the original cars behaved but can't find any.  To me they feel just like one of these great lumps should. When you want to turn they want to go straight on and when you want to go fast, they want to turn!

Perhaps the fun is in the challenge.

The next version of the mod, which has been in development for some time, has improved physics which should reduce the tendancy of the tanks to plough straight on. 

The big Falcon is difficult to tame. I've got a fairly sweet setup for it, but like others have said, the GT350 is so much better. I hope version 3 doesn't change too much. Part of the beauty of the mod is you need to really work the setup and driving characteristics of the big yank tanks to get them around quickly. If they are too easy to drive, then they'd overshadow the european handling cars.

To me the american cars drive just like i would expect them too, tons of power but a real handful to turn in and compromised handling. They are muscle cars after all.

JR, the setups that come default with the majority of the cars in P&G are deliberately setup understeery and bland. You need to tweak them to get the best from the cars or borrow someones that has already been tweaked !

Not tried these cars or this track yet  :o

Is anyone able to post some comparrison times for any of the cars. I need to know how they compare for each driver. :)

Even setting everything to oversteer makes the car a dog. Cars seem very stiff at the front, no matter what you do with the setup, hardly notice any bodyroll.

For what it's worth, these are my times.  I've spent the most time trying to tame the Falcon and the least time of all with the E-Type.  The latter was abondoned because it didn't seem to have enough in the cornering department to make up for what it lacked on the straight.

GT350 SCCA  2:08.619
Falcon (Weslake) 2:12.2xx
E-Type Roadster 2:14.109


Guess which one I shall use on Thursday.  ;D

If the Jags are that badly off pace, may I suggest someone (who has time) have a go in the E-Type Light 4-Speed.

I'll try them tomorrow night, but getting the info sooner would be better for all obviously.

I expect a lot of red in the field.

Realised I can't even make this race :P

Argh!    Don't tell me the red one is fastest!

Please no, not another one make car race..... ::)

Well I'm 2s faster in the Dos Caballos white one than in the blue one!

LOL
It's a basic principle of Motor Racing to get your bum into the fastest car available and then go for it!

I will try to give the lightweight Jags a go at lunch time.

EDIT:  Just had a look at the power/weight figures and they seem a good match for the SCCA which probably means that someone who knows what they are doing with the independant all round E-Type should be able to make it the winner.

The lightweight Jag might stir my interest in this race. Still hate driving the tanks and a couple of laps in the other Jag was enough to know it was a no hoper.

I'll give it a try tonight.

After 30 minutes each way the result was:

5 speed Lightweight E-Type  2:09.617
4 speed Lightweight E-Type  2:09.014

To be honest I think that the Mustang is easier to drive but that may just be my lack of setup skill, which is only matched by my lack of driving talent.

Which means that my E-Type Lightweight time of 2:12 is more than lack of driving skills.  :-X
Alright, I have done only 2 laps, but it is scary to see your times Clive.  :o

So, I only managed to do a time below 2:10 with the Cobra 289 and that is the car
I will drive. Hahahahahahaha  :P


Btw, the Lightweight is the only Jag that could (in the right hands) put the GT350 in trouble
around here.

hoping to finally get some laps in this eve. Does that mean we can use the Lightweight now? Would rather that with my limited time available than learning to hussle the yank tank around an unfamiliar track.

Will be online in a min to test it & make decision MJ.

Surprised you need to learn this one MJ, we did a test race in ukgtr2.

After seeing quite a few drivers in action tonight, the Jag Lightweight 4-Speed has been added to the available list.

Just a reminder to people joining this thread late.... this is a quite new version of the track you need.


If you're getting booted endlessly when joining, that's probably why

The lightweight Jag looks good around here. I did some testing tonight and CTD twice. I'm going to turn down the detail a bit as well as change to DX8 in hopes of making it through the race with out a CTD. I'm also disabling SLI.

Look for me in some American iron smoking the rear tires. Speaking of smoking the rear tires, what detail settings (PLR) can I change so I can see more tire smoke from other players?

Don't worry, usually you are in front of the race..... ::) but if for any 'out of this world' reason I run in front of you, I promisse to spin wheels a lot, to give you lots of smoke.  :D

Yeah where is the body roll,  Very strange not realistic at all...Running low 9's in the Lightweight after creating a very bizarre set up but gonna give it a miss as PnG just dont do it for me.

Good luck . ;)

One of the reasons why I rather enjoy more GTL.  :)

Sorry folks, I won't be racing here tonight.  I've just run out of time this week - I've done a fresh install of GTL in Windows 7 to sort out my Xd problem.  Good news I'll be using my brand new SROU copy to race GTL in the future.

See y'all next race.

Bill

Also have to miss this one.
Wife is out and daughter is not feeling very well today......

See you all next week.

Can't help with the plr settings Mike, but if you try driving behind some of us you'll stand more chance of seeing our smoke ;)

You guys are cracking me up with the requests to drive behind. I'm thinking there has to be something. I smoke the tires an aweful lot and can even see my smoke in the rear view. I'm sure others are smoking the tires too, but think the graphics engine is toning down the smoke for fear of bringing graphics cards to their knees.

I set fire to a mini engine and had a near heart attack because I thought my gfx card had died!

I don't see rain unless I enable special effects
maybe tyre smoke need max special effects

I've got everything maxed in most cases unless the track conversion has heavy # of shadows/reflections.

Nice challenging track. Watched some races on this Algarve track but it's really a roller coaster.

Was afraid that it was going to be a bit lonely after scaring everybody away but fortunately my teamie was friendly enough to give me the impression I had some speed in the E-Type  :D

Congrats to Mike and Ian. Your Alien chatter was interesting during praccy. Fortunately I had my tricoder switched on.

I think the difference between Ian and I tonight was the tires. I prefer the Firestone and even the Dunlops over the BFG's and I think they are a tick faster, but the BFG's last longer. He even noticed the BFG's can be a bit spooky during his quail session.  Interesting he ran the same pace in the race and quali. I felt as if there was less grip in the quali session, but with light fuel, the pace still was much quicker.

I blew the 1st tight right and the tight left at the bottom of the hill on lap 1. The car behaves so much differently the 1st lap. Ian was through on the 2nd mistake, but in time returned the favor allowing me past a lap or two later. Once we were done playing leap frog, we started to gap the field. He held on tight for a few more laps and then the gap slowly grew. It seemed as if our tires degraded at relatively the same rate.

Many appologies to Ade for the contact at the end. I wanted to get behind you and give you a little bump draft so you could take the fight to Legzy. I didn't expect you to slow down and let me by. Were you done racing? You were severly handicapped with the Falcon, but you did put on a fantastic smoke show.   ;D

Congrats to Ian and I think it was API on the podium.

Lol apologies for that, hope you didn't pick up the fact I haven't a clue :)

Throughly enjoyed that. I pushed as hard as I could for virtually the whole race and Mike was simply too good but I kept him honest at least. Congrats to him and API :) Much respect, again, to Ade for taking the Falcon.

Cheers to those we lapped who were excellent and apologies to Sandor who I nearly clipped whilst trying to flash my lights in thanks :-\ Not very bright that.

Enjoyed that more than I thought I would, despite the Jag handling like a dish of rice pudding.

Knew the track from a previous race, so just a matter of a few laps to set up and very happy with mid grid for quali. Gained a couple of places after the T1 troubles and set about catching Clive, who proceeded to pull away from me by a few tenths per lap. Had a bit of a dull time until I was caught by the recovering Matt and we then had one of our long battles  :fencing: until he pulled a couple of seconds towards the end 8)

Congrats to my teamies on their one two and well done to Ade for taking the Falcon (I think the only one on the grid).

Big appologies for my messy T2, I was unsure of who was up which side, and made a right greyling of it
bounced off a couple of people
Legzy was one, I do hope the other wasn't MJ hitting my truncheon with the back of his head again  ::)

Had some really good racing gradually catching and passing some, until finally caught Goldy, by then my tyres were not
at their best, and though on a good lap I was a tad quicker, good laps were becoming harder to find, there were a couple down
the back of the sofa, another behind the fridge, but then they were all gone, and we traded places two abreast round corners
passing and repassing within the lenght of one turn at one time, I lost it somewhere with slidey rears, and he slipped by
I eventually got past again and hung on to a second or two gap up to the end.
Very fine racing was to be had, I think the Mustangs had it on pace, but the Jags seemed to last longer before losing grip.
EDIT:
Geoffers was the other innocent bystander, really sorry, did not realise you were still off track or i would have waited longer.

A severe lack of track time/praccy hampered me from the start here and there were plenty of corners to learn in the race practise session. Never felt like i had really learnt it even by race end.

I just didnt get on with this car selection, finding none of them 'nice' to race here although the track itself is a cracker.

Had a boring long race sitting 9th with no one near me, until about 10mins from the end when spanner caught me. Enjoyed a good scrap with him for lap after lap, that got even meatier when Geoffers also joined in the fray. Think we all exchanged a bit of paint and places in the wayward cars in awkward corners but all good clean fun and i crossed the line in 9th. I was actually pleased with a top 10 finish  :)

I had assumed from testing that the Jag was quicker in the turns and slower on the staright, but watching the replay
it would seem to be the other way round, Maybe if I'd spent more time with Jag setups I might have matched my 350 times
but I suspect not.

Compared to me everybody has speed ;D

I must admit that I've never noticed the (nearly) incident, so apologies accepted  :)

Was in doubt if I could make it through the race but decided to give it a try and see how far I could get.
I had a good start and made it to 11th place.  Was a lot slower so got passed again by everyone.

Had great fun battling with my teammate for last place.

No worries Matt, you were faster than me so it wouldn't have made any difference if you had waited.

Had quite a fun race battling back up the field, although I found it real hard to pass. As Matt said, the Jags & Ade's Falcon were faster on the straights but held the GT350 up through the turns. Had a good battle with Legzy for several laps until he ran wide at the tight RHer that drops downhill. I went for the inside but drifted a little wide on the exit & barged Legzy's recovering E-Type off the track  :(. Apologies Legzy. After waiting I managed to pass cleanly at the second attempt.

Towards the end I caught the battling Jags of Spanner & MarkJ & we had a great fight over the last 3-4 laps. At one point Spanner & I did nearly half a lap side by side, nobody willing to give way, great stuff.  ;D That little sub-battle allowed Mark to open a gap which, despite setting my fastest lap on the final lap, I couldn't quite close.

Congrats to the Kerbies duo & API  :clap: :clap: :clap:

The track is amazing, one of the best IMHO. It has all, except a looping.  ;D
A recent made track that is not boring, fortunately it wasn't designed by that fellow that I do not remember his name... ::)

My usually couple of practice laps made me chose the E-Type (thank god Legzy changed to the lighweight allowing us to have fun fighting with different behavior cars)  :thumbup1:

My setup was clearly an oversteering one. The race was always with full attention as I was always busy.
A first stint with API and Lazlow, the major hard work was with Marco and our battle for more than half race. Side by side many times and we finished with a 0.019 gap.  :yes:
I have seen some parts of the replay, I believe I did last lap holding my breath.  :fencing:
Was a great duel with two different cars, awesome!
All this, always with Clive in my mirrors, all 18 laps. Fortunately always with a safe gap. :sweatdrop:

Congrats to podium and to all finishers.

Cheers

Well despite being hit 'good n proper' four times ::), I enjoyed that. :)

Sorry racers, I think I made some mistakes in preparation for this race. Not only was the GT350 SCCA I choose obviously way too fast, the Weslake Falcon just felt awful here. Dropping the fastest car is never a good move, because that tends to be the one people want to drive (strange that), so was lucky that the Light Jag was more competitive but not faster as again people would have been upset they hadn't had the chance to practice with the fastest car. So sorry for that. :-[

Onto the race, started 11th with a pb in qualli. Sadly got dragged into the T2 issues & lost some places there, but enjoyed making them back up. Had a few laps with Sandor, bit with Matt, some with Spanner, nearly had some fun with MJ but just as I was about to catch him he went off >:( (I reckon he was chicken :P). Best fight was with Geoffers, he caught me up & I think was a fraction faster but couldn't make a pass stick ;D so we were  :fencing: for a good while. Sadly it ended when he hit me. I was pleased he waited, but my car wasn't the same after that & I had no way to defend my position, just gutted we lost what I think would have been a fight to the finish line.

Once Geoffers was past, I waited up for Ade who was the only man stupid brave enough to have selected the Falcon (where was SBG's Falcon? Don't worry about what Mike's doing) so we would both have some company to the end. Good fun mate, especially that time at T1 ;), still you got your reward from Mike at the end :lol: :lol: :lol:

Track will be a bit more traditional next week, visiting Rouen 1955-70 8), that should have MJ all wet :drool:

Slightly OT but if you would like to catch up with some real racing action at Portimao look here:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/23032010/58/haslam-confident-success.html