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Title: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Phil Thornton on March 29, 2020, 11:38:31 PM +0100 Season 36 – 1955 Grand Prix – Round 6 – Grenzlandring
The sixth race in the 1955 Grand Prix series sees us back in Europe at Grenzlandring, a track around the town of Wegberg in Germany. The first race was held on 19th September 1948 in front of about 250,000 spectators. It was organised by silk weaving mill owner and keen racing driver Emil "Teddy" Vorster (Rheydt) and his Rheydter Club für Motorsport (RCM). From 1949 onwards, the organisation was in the hands of the Motorsport-Union-Grenzlandring, a co-operation of four motorsport clubs of the Lower Rhine region. The all-time lap record was set in September 1949 by Bavarian Georg "Schorsch" Meier on a supercharged BMW 500 motorbike at 216 km/h (134 mph) (clockwise driven) and in September 1951 Toni Ulmen set the all-time record for cars, driving his Veritas 2000 RS to 212 km/h (132 mph) (anti-clockwise). No doubt genuine Grand Prix cars would have been a lot quicker. Racing came to an end after 31 August 1952, when Helmut Niedermayr from Berlin crashed his Formula Two Reif/Veritas-Meteor at the exit of the Roermonder Kurve at nearly 200 km/h (120 mph) killing at least 13 spectators. Please read the championship specific rules on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=872&theme=6).
Please restrict chat to emergency messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line. Password: see above (#post_event_password) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=872&theme=6) Handicapping and chassis allocation. The 1955 Grand Prix cars will be using a token system which allows drivers to purchase any chassis of their choice for a given number of tokens as published on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=872&theme=6). Drivers classed as Juniors will be allocated an additional 10 tokens. The tokens available to each driver will be published in the race announcement. See table below. Available Tokens: Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on March 30, 2020, 02:08:54 PM +0100 I think that this will be little short of utter madness!
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: EvilClive on March 30, 2020, 02:59:34 PM +0100 FWIW...This is a track that I just do not like, don't know why, as it ain't difficult....just turn left, a little more, or a little less !!??
Oh!, and make sure you stay in someone's slipstream until the last lap......hmmmmm? maybe I will let Mr Loynes take the lead on this one ::) :whistling: :whistling: Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Leon Forst on March 30, 2020, 03:03:32 PM +0100 FWIW...This is a track that I just do not like, don't know why, as it ain't difficult....just turn left, a little more, or a little less !!?? Oh!, and make sure you stay in someone's slipstream until the last lap......hmmmmm? maybe I will let Mr Loynes take the lead on this one ::) :whistling: :whistling: A fast car would still be an advantage :whistling: Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Phil Thornton on April 02, 2020, 06:32:34 PM +0100 Practice server is up with TeamSpeak (IP same as UKGPL_4, password ISOFUN)
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 03, 2020, 08:01:03 PM +0100 Need an SL to slipstream. :(
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: EvilClive on April 03, 2020, 08:07:07 PM +0100 …...and a strong tow rope?
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 03, 2020, 08:34:17 PM +0100 Possibly.
But I've given up. The whole damn planet on lockdown and all the servers empty. tut tut tut grumble moan! Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: EvilClive on April 03, 2020, 08:49:49 PM +0100 I would have joined you Clive, but I am still working my way through a complete Win 10/ GPL / and GTL install after Mr Gates sent me an update that didn't!!
I still have TeamSpeak to dload and install, plus get printers etc working...oh and I have partaken of a rather large Rum...……… mainly because I was so pi**ed off with Microsoft!! Don't think that would have improved my PB at Glenzaneriging...Gad handing.....globrandring...Glenzanderish thing. Be back tomorrows ;D Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 03, 2020, 10:32:32 PM +0100 I would have joined you Clive, but I am still working my way through a complete Win 10/ GPL / and GTL install after Mr Gates sent me an update that didn't!! I still have TeamSpeak to dload and install, plus get printers etc working...oh and I have partaken of a rather large Rum...……… mainly because I was so pi**ed off with Microsoft!! Don't think that would have improved my PB at Glenzaneriging...Gad handing.....globrandring...Glenzanderish thing. Be back tomorrows ;D Hope you are better soon, but much slower. We are all so preoccupied with covid-19 that I was forgetting the virus-like properties of Windows10! Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: EvilClive on April 04, 2020, 09:19:26 AM +0100 I recovered from the mild rum overdose just fine thanks Clive.
Just a temporary aberration, and very few people would have noticed any change I suspect. :-\. I did try a couple of laps in the Slipstreamer at Werberg ( avoided the spelling glitch this time ) and that car is insanely fast around this track. Even though I have rarely driven the tank, and anyway have lost any setups that I might have had, I was still clocking 2:03's in a car that was struggling on the slightly tighter bits to carry the speed and the gearing was wrong anyway. The problem that I foresee with this car is that although it is the fastest, there will be no car that it can slipstream from, whereas ( like Clive said earlier ) any other car will benefit hugely if it can hook up the tow. Thought for today... Covid-19 apparently crossed the species barrier from animals to infect humans. It struck me in a moment of rare scientific clarity, that we would really be in trouble if a computer virus found a way to jump that same barrier !! ::) ………………..Strange how the human mind works at times? Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 04, 2020, 10:36:59 AM +0100 I imagine that the the front rows of the grid will resemble a flotilla of aircraft carriers. If one of them makes a clean break at the front then we can kiss him goodbye. We shall just have to hope that they all stay in a bunch, to tow the rest of us, so we can wait for the the inevitable predation.
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: EvilClive on April 04, 2020, 10:50:12 AM +0100 I fully understand what you are predicting in terms of aircraft carriers and the potential for a scrapfest at T1.
My biggest worry would be, that if enough of those slabs get intimate with each other and form a road block, there is no way that the brakes on the following cars will give any chance of avoiding the carnage :-\ Just head for a gap and close your eyes and kiss your Should the server manifest itself on IGOR, I hope to be online at random times today testing my new GPL install, TeamSpeak, Speakers etc. So we might hook up a few practice laps, although I still have no idea which car to use. If I want to win, then logic says it has to be a silver tank, but that requires spending tokens... and that is against my religion :scared: The Gordini could be fun if I can pick up some slipstream, but by the time I can get that little garlic cooker off the grid the fast cars will be half a lap away!! Plus there are no brakes required on this track, so no opportunities to demon brake down the inside?? Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Phil Thornton on April 04, 2020, 11:12:35 AM +0100 Should the server manifest itself on IGOR, I hope to be online at random times today testing my new GPL install, TeamSpeak, Speakers etc. So we might hook up a few practice laps, although I still have no idea which car to use. Clive server will be back up in the next 5 mins. I've just been loading the tracks for the JSMT and setting up a mini season (see mod forum for details).Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 04, 2020, 02:41:14 PM +0100 Tried the SL and can only do mid-5s in free air. And it's a hairy ride when the tyres get hot!
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 05, 2020, 09:22:48 AM +0100 An interesting session on the server yesterday with Evil.
Perhaps the SL won't have it all it's own way after all! ::) Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Raoni Frizzo on April 05, 2020, 08:12:00 PM +0100 Hi folks!
After a looong period, I guess I'll be able to make some races with you again :) I voted on the poll, so I hope to have some fun with the 55s. Had a few laps on the server with Axel and Greg. These cars are so much fun to drive. And the W196 SL is a best on the straights :o Hope to see you soon on the track! Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Phil Thornton on April 05, 2020, 08:22:09 PM +0100 Your registration has been processed Raoni. You should be ablr to see the race password at the top of the race announcement now. You will be classed as Senior driver but you can have 20 tokens for tonight's race.
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Raoni Frizzo on April 05, 2020, 08:27:47 PM +0100 Thanks a lot, Phil!! Now I can see the password on the top.
Guess I'll have to spend almost all my tokens today to be at least competitive ;D Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 05, 2020, 09:38:27 PM +0100 IMHO a stupid place to run a race.
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Doni Yourth on April 05, 2020, 09:40:28 PM +0100 I saved my very brief race replay cap under one word. JACKASSES.
Some of you guys should be strung up. :( Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Raoni Frizzo on April 05, 2020, 09:40:40 PM +0100 Guys, sorry for the crash on lap 2 :(
I got scared with the Mercedes on the outside when I dived on the corner I couldn't brake anymore to avoid the slower car that was a bit lagged. What a terrible comeback! I guess it was Ricardo who had contact with me. But I'm sure others paid the price :-[ Sorry again Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: PaulV on April 05, 2020, 09:41:45 PM +0100 dont know what to say about that race. not much fun..
did one boring lap instead of 21.. so some good came out of it LOL!!! couldnt miss the accident.. just loads of cars going all over the place. no flags, no warning. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: francesco on April 05, 2020, 09:47:53 PM +0100 Same for me,i was quite able to avoid the crash but the Mercedes o Phil gave me the coup de grace,sending my car inverted.
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: PaulV on April 05, 2020, 09:51:31 PM +0100 Same for me,i was quite able to avoid the crash but the Mercedes o Phil gave me the coup de grace,sending my car inverted. Well I did a couple of loops and could not work out where I was. I still appeared to have a perfect car with all 4 wheels and no real issues.. except I was over the other side of the fencing/guardrails so had to retire... I had a bad feeling about this race.. Paul. keep safe and well all ! Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 05, 2020, 09:55:15 PM +0100 I saved my very brief race replay cap under one word. JACKASSES. Some of you guys should be strung up. :( LOL I saved mine as "stupid"! ::) Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: PaulV on April 05, 2020, 09:56:46 PM +0100 I saved my very brief race replay cap under one word. JACKASSES. Some of you guys should be strung up. :( LOL I saved mine as "stupid"! ::) LOL.. my replay was actually too short to save. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: francesco on April 05, 2020, 10:03:39 PM +0100 Until now,any time i have a good placement in qualy(for my category),happen something.One time was a hit from the back,one clutch,and now a big crash.
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Cookie on April 05, 2020, 10:28:15 PM +0100 big luck here finding a fast way though flying Mercs followed by Clive and Dulima,.
We had lots of fun til the last lap when Clive messed up the second "corner" Next time the SL gets a brake parachute! Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 05, 2020, 10:34:00 PM +0100 big luck here finding a fast way though flying Mercs followed by Clive and Dulima,. We had lots of fun til the last lap when Clive messed up the second "corner" Next time the SL gets a brake parachute! Please, please, please! Don't let there be a next time! Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Phil Thornton on April 05, 2020, 10:46:06 PM +0100 Server replay now available via link in race post.
A big crash was always a risk here and we all had a collective responsibility to drive carefully. Sorry there were a few innocent casualties tonight (including me) but the survivors had a great race (very close finishing times). Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: GregT on April 05, 2020, 11:07:59 PM +0100 That's a shame, 9 drivers out of the race on lap 2. :(
Congrats Eduardo and Axel! Nice job Clive until the end. I abused the SL trying to make as fast a start as possible. It did great. I wanted a 50m gap into T1 so neither I or the driver behind could start any carnage. I got lucky there weren't more SLs. I thought I might get a podium but I didn't expect to win. I thought Dulima would get fast lap closing the gap to Axel and Clive. I thought about slowing down near the midpoint, but I loaded too much fuel. I figured that slight handicap would make me regret giving Eduardo, Axel, and Clive another chance. I should be able to break 2:04.5 with the SL without a tow. Had some of the others had SLs I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some 2:02s in the tow. The SL may be as much 3 seconds faster than the open wheel Merc. The car advantage and early gap made it somewhat easy. But I came close to losing it twice in T1. I got overzealous. Thanks for the fun guys. Take care of yourselves. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: EvilClive on April 06, 2020, 09:38:52 AM +0100 Big grats to Greg on a commanding win and to Dulima for a good recovery and Axel for the other podium places. Commiserations to all those who did not make it to the flag, but any incident on this track is likely to drag several other victims into the crash.
I had predicted that if we had a large number of SL's on the front of the grid there was every possibility of a major crashfest at T1. I actually predicted Lap 1, but it was a few laps into the race when several of those silver aircraft carriers got too close around what is the tightest corner on this strange track. After some practice ( which is unusual for me, maybe I had too much time on my hands?), my game plan had been very simple. Those SL's were just too fast, but it was clear that all cars, including even the Gordini, with the right gearing could stay in the slipstream and reach the same speeds. The Gordini was just too slow off the grid and all the tow trucks would have been gone, so I decided to take a car that might be able to at least get me into the slipstream very quickly and I settled on the Mas 250F. I geared it very carefully so that I could use both 4th and 5th once we reached racing speeds. 5th was only running at 6K when in the max tow and 4th was only a notch or two down, but it allowed me to get more control through T1 where I had the car set up for slight "power on" oversteer. The race was looking good in the early laps and I was amongst some SL's and a couple of Lancias. There was no chance of my 250F actually passing the other cars, but I could sit quite comfortably in their slipstream. There was a moment, early in the race, where I was tucked in behind a Merc SL which was towing me along nicely and it looked like we might be able to close on Greg who was in 1st place. The plan was good until a couple of other Mercs caught us and formed a small silver wall ahead of me. That was no problem, I still had plenty of slipstream to use. Axel was close in his Lancia as we hurtled into T1. It was already clear that those SL's were struggling through T1 and both the Lancia and the 250F could gain a lot of time through that corner to be sure of staying on the tail of those Mercs. Someone got a wheel on the grass and suddenly there was wall to wall silver machines !! :-[ :scared: :scared: :scared: With the brakes on these cars there was not a hope in hell of stopping, plus the 100% commitment into T1 meant that, my car at least, was very finely balanced on the very limit of adhesion. I eased the steering and aimed for a gap that was in danger of being closed by a spinning Merc. It was pure luck that I emerged on the other side with Axel and his Lancia still both in working cars. But now Greg was gone and clear, :-\ and Axel and myself did not have the tow truck to pull us along. So I was forced to sit behind Axel's Lancia and click the laps off. I just did not have the raw power to attempt a pass on Axel and when I did try, I lost all momentum whenever I pulled out from behind him. I felt that I could be slightly quicker through T1 if I really pushed, but that was never a place to try and pass. Eventually Dulima caught us in his SL and we had ourselves a slipstream to use which pulled us steadily away from the rest of the field..until Dulima ran wide at the final corner and I thought had ended his race...Axel and me alone again. After a lap or two I could see on Prib that Dulima was rolling again, so I watched the gap and I could see that he was closing at a rate that would bring him back to us way before the end of the race. Sure enough, that big silver machine loomed in the mirrors and swept past. Axel and myself jumped into the slipstream and went along for the ride. Greg was miles ahead by now, so this was the race for 2,3, and 4. Axel and his Lancia appeared to be working out if he could make a pass through the final turn and maybe planning a move for the last lap? I honestly could not see any way that I could threaten Dulima or Axel and I sat behind them for several laps. Then Axel made a small error and I eased up onto the tail of the SL and discovered that as long as I stayed very close ( within 20mtrs) I could use the speed of the SL to just keep me ahead of Axel...hmmmm maybe if I can hold this position on the last lap I could steal 3rd?? So, as we entered the final lap I was right on Dulima's tail as we thundered down to T1 and that was where it all came unravelled!! I was just too close to Dulima and when the SL wobbled and struggled for grip, just at the point where I was getting on the gas to force the oversteer, I realised that I was going to hit the rear of the Merc :-\. Braking was certain to throw my car off the track, so my only option was just to lift off the gas and try and run a wider line. After that it was like slow motion. I knew it was all over before the impact, because I had lost the oversteer that was keeping my car turned in and I just could not get enough grip to avoid the grass. 2 wheels vanished and the race was over. I guess I got just a little bit too greedy and hoped for a podium place, when I should have settled for a safe and secure 4th? lol Apologies for the long post, but I had time and nothing better to do ::) BTW I do sort of see Clive's point about this track and I would have preferred somewhere where braking and road holding played a bigger part. But it was the same for everyone and probably very much like it was in real life when if you weren't in a Merc you were not likely to win?? Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 06, 2020, 10:56:11 AM +0100 I don't have a full replay and don't want one so could someone else produce the RPYDUMP report to update GPL Weekly please.
If you can send it to me I can do the update. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: bagrupp on April 06, 2020, 12:26:15 PM +0100 Hi Everyone,
i liked the race here somehow but it was likely to crash... I nearly could avoid the crash, then a little touch and spun, hit also the wall but the car was fine ! Very Lucky! Fulvio could avoid me, (not another crash) and i was lucky to stay in the very last slipstream and got closer, but everyone in front was gone. So after few laps i closed up on fulvio and hoped we could work us again to the others by slipstreaming each other. After two laps i resigned after looking on the pribluda times (loosing 3 Seconds anyway) So i just saved my concentration and stayyed behind fulvio, looking where it is the best to overtake at the end. Tha bad thing is, the person catching the last tow will win the battle, so my mind was not free of accuse to myself On the other hand, i did not want to strain my concentration while getting more and more tired and battling for 15 laps. Just the lapped tagomago was behind us, so there was no risk for the last lap action. Sorry for the other in the incidents who had to retire and grats to front & especially fulvio and also tagomago! Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: GregT on April 06, 2020, 02:43:49 PM +0100 I geared it very carefully so that I could use both 4th and 5th once we reached racing speeds. I watched the replay. It looks like you could not have geared your car any better than you did. It's sad that your top speed just a car length or two behind Dulima was identical to mine without a tow. Your top speed was limited by power. Axel's was off a little. His top speed was limited by rpm. My first stint in qualifying had me limited to 180 mph by rpms. I tested 3 different 5th gears. The shortest one looks the same as Dulima used in the race. That would have been best for leading with a large gap. The middle one that I used in the race would work well in the tow without losing much time without a tow. It did 182 mph in practice behind Axel just before I ran out of fuel. I'd guess it would have done at least 185 mph with a real good tow. And I tested one that I think would have done over 190 mph with a good tow but it was lousy without a tow. it was clear that all cars, including even the Gordini, with the right gearing could stay in the slipstream and reach the same speeds. I wouldn't be so sure of that. Phil and I practiced together before qualifying. With a 40-50m gap, once I hit 165 mph, I'd start pulling away from Phil's Mercedes even though he was getting a tow from me. I was tucked in behind a Merc SL which was towing me along nicely and it looked like we might be able to close on Greg who was in 1st place. You came out of T1 on lap 1 behind me. If you had a D50, you may have been able to stay in my tow. Would the D50 in my tow been able to stay in front of Ricardo's SL on the 2nd straight? With Ricardo and Eduardo a little slower through the turns than me, they took away the advantage that you and Axel had on me. Phil was better on entry and mid turn when we were practicing. My exits were good though. Apologies for the long post, but I had time and nothing better to do ::) It was interesting. If you had the grammar of an 8 year old, it could have been a real pain. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: EvilClive on April 06, 2020, 03:34:35 PM +0100 With the Gordini in pre race practice I could stay with an SL, but ONLY if I was sitting right on it's tail, like within 20mtrs or closer. I saw 180mph on at least 2 occasions and revs to spare. The Gordini was much better through T1 ( flat in 4th ). Which was great in theory, as I could maybe have sat behind your car and simply been towed along for a second place.
However, in reality I had to run such a high 4th gear in the Gordini to reach those speeds in the draft, that all the other gears had to be very high to get me there and the launch off the grid, and abysmal acceleration would have left me 800mtrs behind before T1 and dead in the water. Also, the Gordini was maybe 5-10kph faster through T1 than the SL, so to be sure that I was in the "suck zone" at the exit I had to allow the SL to pull around a 50 mtr gap on the approach to T1 and then nail the gas through the corner to close the gap. There was a fine margin of judgement 10 mtrs too close and I would have to lift or risk hitting the Merc, 10 mtrs too far back and I would lose a fraction of that tow and lose ground on the rest of the lap. Eventually the SL would escape. Could my brain mange to concentrate that hard for 21 laps??? I doubt that very much lol!!! I have to say that travelling at those speeds was a scary experience in such a small car and required quite a radical setup to allow it to corner at top speed. There was a quick flick of the wheel to step the rear out by a fraction and then lock the car onto the inside white line and hang on. If I chickened out and lifted, then I just could not regain the momentum quickly enough and the SL would be 50 mtrs ahead on the exit and, like Phil discovered there was no way back. So it was really never going to work and I had to find another car with a little more power. Had the same problem, although not quite as bad with the Vanwall and the Connaught. Strangely I could not persuade the Connaught to reach the same max speed as the Gordini?? maybe I had the gears wrong by a notch? It took a few attempts to sort the gears in the 250F, but in the end they worked out well, and it was a simple and comfortable drive, but no possibility of passing any of the big cars as I just did not have the grunt under the bonnet. Ironic that I was caught out by exactly the problem I feared in the Gordini when I was too close to an SL entering T1. :-\ Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Cookie on April 06, 2020, 04:18:09 PM +0100 HeHe,
I had the same gears 4+5 for topspeed+tow like Clive described, in the race I did several wrong downshifts when I shifted down to 3rd entering T1, thinking I had 5th... Maybe the 5th could have been a little longer for the slipstream ::) PS Clive I did let you pass in the last lap to get a better distance to Dulima, as if you sit close in tow you can't accelerate enough. Hurrah, my race PC is now fully LINUX! Got it sorted with teamspeak and GPL sound on different devices! (https://i.ibb.co/tsmHTJC/Bildschirmfoto-2020-04-06-17-36-42.png) (https://ibb.co/T8vwxgh) (https://i.ibb.co/K9Sg1mk/Bildschirmfoto-2020-04-06-17-42-16.png) (https://ibb.co/GVNDhFL) Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Phil Thornton on April 06, 2020, 06:30:07 PM +0100 Looks good Axel but I'm still too scared to tackle Wine :surrender: Maybe in a few months when I've plucked up the courage and got a bit more spare time ;D
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Phil Thornton on April 06, 2020, 07:07:22 PM +0100 I don't have a full replay and don't want one so could someone else produce the RPYDUMP report to update GPL Weekly please. Tried that but the report won't update properly. So I uploaded the GPLRA report but the cars are incorrect (as expected but I will upload again when I work out what I've done wrong).If you can send it to me I can do the update. Code: Replay Info Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 06, 2020, 07:38:44 PM +0100 Thanks Phil.
Sorry but it has to be the RPYDUMP report for the 55 mod. Your file didn't work for me either. I think that Axel has it mastered. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Phil Thornton on April 06, 2020, 07:51:19 PM +0100 I think that Axel has it mastered. Yes Axel is The MaestroTitle: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Cookie on April 06, 2020, 08:03:12 PM +0100 No!
now I did it... Had downloaded the linux version of rpydump, but that's too complicated with a commandline ... So I took the last Win version and ran it in wine wo probs... Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Phil Thornton on April 06, 2020, 08:14:51 PM +0100 I used rpydump-0.6.3-win32 at the command line. Is there a newer version?
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Cookie on April 06, 2020, 08:21:20 PM +0100 Same here but I use the rpygui.exe
(https://i.ibb.co/fXDdPmb/Bildschirmfoto-2020-04-06-21-18-58.png) (https://ibb.co/WHVvYSQ) Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Phil Thornton on April 06, 2020, 08:27:47 PM +0100 OK, I just edited makereport.bat
It appears that method doesn't work. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Dulima on April 07, 2020, 01:29:14 AM +0100 Hello everyone!
This is a track that to be honest I don't like to run, the probability of a big one is very strong, I think from the last five races that I ran on it, yesterday's was the only one I finished. The rest was in the big ones, I was in doubt, would drop behind the grid, or with caution, I decided to go cautiously and at the start I lost four or five positions. I'm glad you got off the accident unscathed but unfortunately many pilots stayed there We had a very good race, me, Policardi and EvilClive, in the middle of the race, at the last corner, I saw that Policardi entered inside and I tried to make the curve from the outside, how stupid, I almost finished my run I came back and with my Mercedes I managed to reach them Thanks EvilClive and Policardi for being very clean and especially EvilClive for not hitting my back on the last lap. Rather take the car out than hit me. Let's go to Monza 10K, another track with a lot of speed Hug to everyone Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Dulima on April 07, 2020, 01:31:43 AM +0100 Sorry Google, translator
there are many words that change Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 07, 2020, 01:07:46 PM +0100 Gutted to find out that after Sunday's debacle we don't race again until May!
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: fpolicardi on April 07, 2020, 01:49:27 PM +0100 Big grats to Greg on a commanding win and to Dulima for a good recovery and Axel for the other podium places. Commiserations to all those who did not make it to the flag, but any incident on this track is likely to drag several other victims into the crash. Thx Clive for the report, I need a week to read it... ;DI had predicted that if we had a large number of SL's on the front of the grid there was every possibility of a major crashfest at T1. I actually predicted Lap 1, but it was a few laps into the race when several of those silver aircraft carriers got too close around what is the tightest corner on this strange track. After some practice ( which is unusual for me, maybe I had too much time on my hands?), my game plan had been very simple. Those SL's were just too fast, but it was clear that all cars, including even the Gordini, with the right gearing could stay in the slipstream and reach the same speeds. The Gordini was just too slow off the grid and all the tow trucks would have been gone, so I decided to take a car that might be able to at least get me into the slipstream very quickly and I settled on the Mas 250F. I geared it very carefully so that I could use both 4th and 5th once we reached racing speeds. 5th was only running at 6K when in the max tow and 4th was only a notch or two down, but it allowed me to get more control through T1 where I had the car set up for slight "power on" oversteer. The race was looking good in the early laps and I was amongst some SL's and a couple of Lancias. There was no chance of my 250F actually passing the other cars, but I could sit quite comfortably in their slipstream. There was a moment, early in the race, where I was tucked in behind a Merc SL which was towing me along nicely and it looked like we might be able to close on Greg who was in 1st place. The plan was good until a couple of other Mercs caught us and formed a small silver wall ahead of me. That was no problem, I still had plenty of slipstream to use. Axel was close in his Lancia as we hurtled into T1. It was already clear that those SL's were struggling through T1 and both the Lancia and the 250F could gain a lot of time through that corner to be sure of staying on the tail of those Mercs. Someone got a wheel on the grass and suddenly there was wall to wall silver machines !! :-[ :scared: :scared: :scared: With the brakes on these cars there was not a hope in hell of stopping, plus the 100% commitment into T1 meant that, my car at least, was very finely balanced on the very limit of adhesion. I eased the steering and aimed for a gap that was in danger of being closed by a spinning Merc. It was pure luck that I emerged on the other side with Axel and his Lancia still both in working cars. But now Greg was gone and clear, :-\ and Axel and myself did not have the tow truck to pull us along. So I was forced to sit behind Axel's Lancia and click the laps off. I just did not have the raw power to attempt a pass on Axel and when I did try, I lost all momentum whenever I pulled out from behind him. I felt that I could be slightly quicker through T1 if I really pushed, but that was never a place to try and pass. Eventually Dulima caught us in his SL and we had ourselves a slipstream to use which pulled us steadily away from the rest of the field..until Dulima ran wide at the final corner and I thought had ended his race...Axel and me alone again. After a lap or two I could see on Prib that Dulima was rolling again, so I watched the gap and I could see that he was closing at a rate that would bring him back to us way before the end of the race. Sure enough, that big silver machine loomed in the mirrors and swept past. Axel and myself jumped into the slipstream and went along for the ride. Greg was miles ahead by now, so this was the race for 2,3, and 4. Axel and his Lancia appeared to be working out if he could make a pass through the final turn and maybe planning a move for the last lap? I honestly could not see any way that I could threaten Dulima or Axel and I sat behind them for several laps. Then Axel made a small error and I eased up onto the tail of the SL and discovered that as long as I stayed very close ( within 20mtrs) I could use the speed of the SL to just keep me ahead of Axel...hmmmm maybe if I can hold this position on the last lap I could steal 3rd?? So, as we entered the final lap I was right on Dulima's tail as we thundered down to T1 and that was where it all came unravelled!! I was just too close to Dulima and when the SL wobbled and struggled for grip, just at the point where I was getting on the gas to force the oversteer, I realised that I was going to hit the rear of the Merc :-\. Braking was certain to throw my car off the track, so my only option was just to lift off the gas and try and run a wider line. After that it was like slow motion. I knew it was all over before the impact, because I had lost the oversteer that was keeping my car turned in and I just could not get enough grip to avoid the grass. 2 wheels vanished and the race was over. I guess I got just a little bit too greedy and hoped for a podium place, when I should have settled for a safe and secure 4th? lol Apologies for the long post, but I had time and nothing better to do ::) BTW I do sort of see Clive's point about this track and I would have preferred somewhere where braking and road holding played a bigger part. But it was the same for everyone and probably very much like it was in real life when if you weren't in a Merc you were not likely to win?? Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Doni Yourth on April 07, 2020, 03:55:19 PM +0100 I've been asked to provide a report on the mega-shunt on Lap02 seeing as how I was one of the many eliminated. I defer to Clint Eastwood's line as Dirty Harry from the film, Magnum Force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrFV5r8cs0 Nuff said. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: EvilClive on April 07, 2020, 04:27:27 PM +0100 ROFL!!
Limitations=(Available grip x Awareness of nearest driver ) - proximity of nearest hard objects Driver Talent OR Close your eyes x aim for gap x speed = survival quotient ( $ ) number of cars in close proximity Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Clive Loynes on April 07, 2020, 05:18:10 PM +0100 I've been asked to provide a report on the mega-shunt on Lap02 seeing as how I was one of the many eliminated. I defer to Clint Eastwood's line as Dirty Harry from the film, Magnum Force. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrFV5r8cs0 Nuff said. I just wished the moderator the best of luck and said it was a bigger waste of time than the actual race. And that screwed up two weeks of effort! Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: tramker on April 28, 2020, 01:49:37 AM +0100 OK, I just edited makereport.bat It appears that method doesn't work. Reports for GPL Weekly must be in semikv format. You enable it with --format=semikv option. Example: rpydump --cst-auto --format=semikv -o report.txt replay.rpy Title: Re: UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP - Grenzlandring - Apr 5 Post by: Phil Thornton on April 28, 2020, 06:57:41 PM +0100 Thanks for the info tramker, much appreciated we'll know for next time. Incidentally welcome to UKGPL :-)
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