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Title: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 06, 2012, 11:52:24 AM +0100
All members welcome.

Grid/server capacity: 28

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (36 laps = ~50mins)

Download the Jag, Ferrari and Aston for the latest versions

Cars allowed: Aston Martin DBR1 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_aston_dbr1), Ferrari 250 Testarossa Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_ferrari_250tr), Jaguar D-Type Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_jag_dtype), Mercedes 300SL Download this (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=35718), Maserati 450S Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_maserati_450s)

Note: We won't be running the Maserati 5.7l version, Car No's 66, 133, 513 & 98 or the 1957 Jaguar D-type version, Car No's 3, 4, 15, 16 & 17.

Track: Goodwood GP Circuit Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_goodwood)

Time of Day Setting: 18:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk FIFT
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) Driver lists can be found on the Championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=358&theme=5)
(4) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: There are no start lights, instead there is a starting marshal who waves a green flag to mark the start of the race. Flagman stands on LH side of track. Advise having countdown turned on.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Alex vV on August 20, 2012, 08:18:19 AM +0100
Bump  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: phspok on August 20, 2012, 01:51:22 PM +0100
Grind  :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Manteos on August 21, 2012, 10:44:59 AM +0100
Sorry guys, I joined the lobby to see if I could join your server without issues, and I found only a server named "simracing.org.uk TTT". Despite I have all the things installed properly for goodwood race, it says that I haven't the track installed and I can't join the server.

I guess it is set for the next race, instead of this one. Am I wrong?

Cu :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: phspok on August 21, 2012, 05:02:09 PM +0100
TTT is the triumph trophy I think. I don't have access to the server at the moment.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 21, 2012, 05:40:39 PM +0100
Sorry guys, I joined the lobby to see if I could join your server without issues, and I found only a server named "simracing.org.uk TTT". Despite I have all the things installed properly for goodwood race, it says that I haven't the track installed and I can't join the server.

I guess it is set for the next race, instead of this one. Am I wrong?

Cu :)

Try now  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 21, 2012, 10:01:40 PM +0100
Replay and results now posted.

Great event; thanks to all who turned out, really appreciated.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: BillThomas on August 22, 2012, 12:26:38 PM +0100
Thanks Tony for track/car combo.  Not my night I'm afraid - far to inconsistent.  Satisfied with lap times in qualifying but the race was terrrible.  On first flying lap went off and hit barrier letting Alex by, after that I just couldn't get the braking and line right for more than a couple of laps.  When I was lapped decided to pack in, driving was no fun and it had become a chore.  :oops: :helpsmilie: :surrender: :wetfish:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Alex vV on August 22, 2012, 08:23:17 PM +0100

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/GTL/GTLegends_goodwood_2012_8_21_20_43/)

Another fine race with the supercars of yesteryear's. Turned out to be quite a international bunch of drivers...

Congrats to podium for showing amazing pace. Hat off for my fellow Aston driver. Could not match your pace.





Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Navin R Johnson on August 23, 2012, 02:03:24 AM +0100
Thought Pelle would check out at the beginning and probably would have if not for some bad luck :(. Chased Manteos for a few laps. Was really great fun ;D. We had our spots on track where one was quicker than the other. Excellent close close battling but unfortunately exiting Lavant corner Manteos got very loose for a long time and although I was off the gas for some time I did not jump on the brakes thinking he would catch the slide in time to avoid the bump. Which did not happen and we touched lightly but enough to clear him off the road and possibly damage his front end a bit. I say damage because I waited for him giving back the lead but then entering the chicane he had more problems and seemed to hurt the car even more ???. It was a real shame as I think we would of had a titanic battle being so close in pace. Manteos was more than gracious after the race and I know it was one of those race deals that can happen when racing so close but it is a missed opportunity for some real good action through the whole run. Which is why we do this, right? :D After that I had a couple of drivers a few seconds behind me but was able to get into a pace that held them off and cruised to the end. This place has a great flow to it and it's one of those places where one can really get into the groove :)  Grats to Hristo and Tony. Another good turnout as well 8).


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 23, 2012, 10:43:49 AM +0100
I joined too late for this one, so didn't have much time to learn the car and make a setup. That compromised my race pace and I simply didn't have an answer to the pace of Navin, Pelle and Manteos. Grats to Navin and all other finishers!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 23, 2012, 12:32:26 PM +0100
Chose to take the Aston for this one as it felt really planted on this circuit but was worried that I would be totally outclassed by the other makes. I have always found Goodwood to be a lovely track to drive and with the Aston it was a sublime experience. Even after the tyres started to go off the car was a joy to drive. If you haven't tried the Aston yet I would definitely suggest you give her a go.
Anyway the race was a little quiet for me with the fast guys up the road and a decent gap to my nearest rivals behind me so I was able to concentrate on the driving and being consistent. Not to say that I didn't have some offs but they were minor diversions and no damage was incurred.
At the end off the race I caught the wounded Ferrari of Manteos (or was he slowing to let me catch him?) and had a short race with him. Happy with the 3rd place (due to a higher than normal attrition rate) and the increasing numbers of drivers that this series is attracting.

Not tried the Fifties yet?

You should, it will make you realise how hard the driving was back then.

Commiserations again to Syd for his disco.

BTW don't think that you will all be able to drive Ferrari's next season. I'll have to set up some cunning plan to make you guys drive the other makes too.........Mhaa ha ha ha ha


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Manteos on August 23, 2012, 01:51:59 PM +0100
"If in doubt... flat out"

Good start for me. First after the first corner, I had to leave the room on the inside to the brave Pelle, that passed me at the second corner. At the 2nd lap, Pelle did a mistake, and I took the lead. After some quiet laps, I let Navin close the gap by me, due to a picnic on the grass with my Ferrari. It was the start of a great battle, in which Navin was faster in some corners and slower in the others. After some good laps, in which I defended the lead very well, I did the omelette ;D
At the exit of the Lavant corner my car started a really dangerous power sliding pointing to the inside line, just where Navin was... After the appearance of the Holy Colin Mcrae suggesting me to flat out, I decided to follow his advice, and I almost recovered the control of my car, but Navin was too close to avoid a small contact with me, and I lost it going into the "concrete tyres", damaging my car very badly >:(.
The car was not the same by that moment. Navin decided to wait me, even though I knew that he wasn't to blame for the contact. I really appreciated your fairness and the attempt to extend the battle :) Unfortunately at the chicane, I understood that my car was not the same, and I banged on the barriers. Hristo was coming back, and Navin correctly decided to go on with his race this time.
By that moment, I lost any motivation to go on til the checkered flag. I had some issues almost every lap, driving my car listlessly.
With 2 or 3 laps to go, I received a phone call, and I was talking and driving with the headphones rested on my neck, for about a minute, avoiding to damage the other drivers on the track.
When I saw that Tony had passed me, I instantly closed the conversation, and I tried to pass him with success after some corners. Even this time my car didn't react as I would expect, and I've lost the control for the umpteenth time ;D. Tony passed me again, and when I saw Navin coming in my mirrors, I decided to lose another lap and finish this agony ;D

However, it was a real fun 'til it lasted Navin. Thank you mate!
Grats even to Hristo and Tony for the podium  :)

Hope to see you for the next, cause I really like these cars ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 24, 2012, 12:10:41 AM +0100
I had huge difficulties with the tires in the latter stages of the race. The rears were just about gone or at least felt like it, and I could hardly stay on the track in the last few laps, doing half spins and going off almost each corner. Cars were fun, but I'm not sure the tires are meant to last such a distance, at least on the Fezza.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 24, 2012, 08:58:36 AM +0100
I had huge difficulties with the tires in the latter stages of the race. The rears were just about gone or at least felt like it, and I could hardly stay on the track in the last few laps, doing half spins and going off almost each corner. Cars were fun, but I'm not sure the tires are meant to last such a distance, at least on the Fezza.

But as you stated in an earlier post, you hardly had time to do a proper setup. Perhaps, with more time, you could of done something to prevent such rapid tyre wear?
Did any of the other Ferrari drivers suffer such an occurence in tyre wear?

I personally think that the tyre wear is modelled effectively well. After all these cars used cross ply tyres that were probably standard issue road tyres. If you watch footage from the fifties, and there is some good stuff at Goodwood  ;) the cars would pit very often for tyres but not for fuel.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: BillThomas on August 24, 2012, 11:30:04 AM +0100

I personally think that the tyre wear is modelled effectively well. After all these cars used cross ply tyres that were probably standard issue road tyres. If you watch footage from the fifties, and there is some good stuff at Goodwood  ;) the cars would pit very often for tyres but not for fuel.

Performance car owners complained about lack of grip and tyre wear on cross ply tyres in motoring press in late 50s.  Changed to Michelin Radials on my TR2 transformed grip didn't own it  long enough to know about wear - only problem was smaller rolling radius and a lowering of gearing.  I think by mid fifties sports racing cars  :wheelchair: had moved on to racing tyres as I seem to remember reports of privately owned sports cars being driven to Le Mans and only needing change of tyres to enable them to compete.  :rockon:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - Goodwood (Circuit) - Aug 21
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 24, 2012, 04:13:56 PM +0100
I personally think that the tyre wear is modelled effectively well. After all these cars used cross ply tyres that were probably standard issue road tyres. If you watch footage from the fifties, and there is some good stuff at Goodwood  ;) the cars would pit very often for tyres but not for fuel.

Yes, I'm not saying it's modeled wrong, it seems realistic. Perhaps it was my setup, but also my driving, so I don't know. It's interesting to have tire wear as a factor though, more here than in the other mods we run.