Idea for a future season (GTL)

[Wiltshire Tony]

I don't know why you guys keep wanting to change things. We get 25-30 people turn up every week to race so they must be enjoying it. If it ain't broke don't fix it!

It's not fixing, It's making it even better.
But I do agree that it's pretty dam good as it is.
I'm just trying to flesh out an easy to manage method of allowing folk to choose whatever car they want whilst trying to ensure that the cars at every event are as varied as possible. I am thinking about the sprint races rather than the Enduros.
If you want Enduros to be even better then you activate the 10x daylight option and simulate racing throught he night. If you've never done this I would urge you to try it for yourselves before commenting on it. I think you'll like 
That's all really, except I should say that I would congratulate the orgasnisers for the great effort they put in on our behalfs.

[BillThomas]

I don't know why you guys keep wanting to change things. We get 25-30 people turn up every week to race so they must be enjoying it. If it ain't broke don't fix it!

It's not fixing, It's making it even better.
But I do agree that it's pretty dam good as it is.
I'm just trying to flesh out an easy to manage method of allowing folk to choose whatever car they want whilst trying to ensure that the cars at every event are as varied as possible. I am thinking about the sprint races rather than the Enduros.
If you want Enduros to be even better then you activate the 10x daylight option and simulate racing throught he night. If you've never done this I would urge you to try it for yourselves before commenting on it. I think you'll like 
That's all really, except I should say that I would congratulate the orgasnisers for the great effort they put in on our behalfs.

In another league they use x2 tyre wear and fuel usage - this ensures a pitstop in an hour long race.  This would also liven up an Enduro - if you made it x3 we'd probably need 2 pit stops. 

Bill

[Legzy]

Tried out the daylight acceleration options (x10 & x60) while practicing for Le Mans.... I reckon it might be quite good to use on a couple of races in the future. 

[Wiltshire Tony]

Thanks for giving the accelerated daylight settings ago. Although I dislike th 60x cos it's just to dam quick.

[jimmer]

I have enjoyed every race i have been in . As a three quarter session newbie i only know it as it is . a big thanks to the admins for there work .so i wait in anticipation of what the admins and established members challenge me with. but i do like your ideas.i have tried 10x daylight and think it does add a great twist to the race.

[Blunder]

Wow, lots of good comments!
I have to say I generally have really enjoyed the season and echo the 'all praise to the admins' etc.

That said...

I have been frustrated at the fact that although there is a car choice available it seems to boli down to, I pick the safe car option so I know I will finish a race rather than
the possibly faster poorly handling over powered car!? Hence I seem to have run the 906 lots! That is ok but then it feels like I have no choices!?
No idea what the answer is unless we limt the choice to one car ala TVR's at Philip Island? Not keen on this either and cursed the whole week of practice but then really enjoyed that race!? ( last season i think? )

I guess I come back to, don't change it if it aint broke, oh but can we use the TC65's more often!
Seems to be closer racing!?

I have also been distracted by iRacing which is really iTimetrial for the most part! IMHO oh apart from the ovals! 
I did my first GPL race last night and that was quite good fun too!? but hardly saw another car all race!
I have also been getting into GTR2 lately but this all points to the main issue here.

This whole sim racing is only fun long term if you have races where everyone is running similiar lap times on tracks that are difficult to overtake on so we have as much bumper to bumper action as possible.
Anything that promotes that gets my vote!

[ginsters sponsored]

I have been frustrated at the fact that although there is a car choice available it seems to boli down to, I pick the safe car option so I know I will finish a race rather than
the possibly faster poorly handling over powered car!?

We tend to go with power versus handling fights a smuch as we can, as you've no doubt gathered. There always seem about two power cars that are about equal but never more than one equal choice on the handling front, e.g Cobra vs TVR vs GT40 but only the Elan to compete with :'( I do agree that there should be more choice for those that enjoy a nicely handling car and I think crossing the GTL Classes more than we have recently might offer a solution. We will also bear that in mind when sizing up any possible mod (would you class the 935 as a "handling" car?  ).

Think we should go with at least a couple of one make races next season (events conspired against us in S6). And a 914 race is a cert  

[Alex vV]

Please keep the themes for track choices. I rather like that!

If you admins ( ) need some inspiration, please let us know.

For cars I like the variety but threading unknown paths will almost certainly put you at the back of the grid (or in my case: being lapped five times). On the other hand, who cares if you have fun! Banning obvious choices will help tho (Alfa, Elan, 906...)

If much prefer the A/B classes idea, like used in Le Mans/ALMS/British F3. It gives us lesser godz/non-aliens a chance to battle it out amongst ourselves in the sissy cars 

[ginsters sponsored]

If much prefer the A/B classes idea, like used in Le Mans/ALMS/British F3.

The A/B classes idea has potential I think. It might also allow us to use cars like the 935, we could simply make that group A and the rest of 76 in Group B. Although it would still have to be a semi twisty track to make it useable. I really think we have to do something to spice up Enduro grids, virtually one make near the end, and I would prefer that than restricting car choice a little.

With the A/B Classes should we just say you have to pick 3 from each during a 6 race enduro season? You have to alternate between classes? Anybody used such a system elsewhere? Think we might try something down this route in a few upcoming tests, help us refine or ditch it as I've now got a headache with all this thinking out loud

[Madd-RIP]

Well that would certainly spice up the racing, plus it would (although a by-product) make it easier to skin cars as you'd know in advance what you'd be racing.

Personally it sounds similar to GTR2, one car all season, penalty for a change.

A GTL race /series on Sunday would be an absolute boon for me atm due to shifts, therefore allowing me to fully compete.

Would the possibility of a fun GTL race on a Sunday to test this A/B class split be possible?

Plus if you get a large enough split then you'd have 2 championships running in both the sprints and enduros and by giving the same points, in theory you could have an overall championship, isn't this something they do in other real life racing? 10 cars in each sounds pretty good judging by recent attendance.

I would like to see some one make races too, always good for close racing.

One other idea, is it feasable to award 1 point for pole, 1 for fastest lap and even one for most laps led?

PS. Did I mention racing GTL on Sundays instead? 

[Legzy]

I really think we have to do something to spice up Enduro grids, virtually one make near the end, and I would prefer that than restricting car choice a little.

As a low end driver, I reckon I disagree.
When a race is announced I look at the car choices made available & despite usually testing all/most cars on offer, I usually find that come race day, I'm in the 'popular car'.   Being slow, nine times out of ten, I've chosen the car that will give me the best chance to keep me 'in the mix' with the other drivers. That typically means that if the whole of GTC-65 is offered, I'll be in the Elan & the 906 for GTC-65. If I pick a car like the Panty or a Shelby, I spend more time on the grass then on the track & that's no fun. There are other 'steady' cars for me to choose (like the Alpine & little BMW), but so far I've found these have not been viable car options (from the choices available) for a slow driver like me just trying not to embarrass myself by being lapped for the twentieth time! (I do keep on trying the 'power' cars each week & I'm getting closer to the day when I'll race one through choice )

With the A/B Classes should we just say you have to pick 3 from each during a 6 race enduro season? You have to alternate between classes? Anybody used such a system elsewhere? Think we might try something down this route in a few upcoming tests, help us refine or ditch it as I've now got a headache with all this thinking out loud

Not sure I totally understand this idea... is it:
1) Are you meaning this would be like running a Division 1 & 2 in the same race? So the quickest drivers would be competing against each other for points & us slower/newer chaps would have our own championship to go for? If so, sounds interesting. I'm not sure why, but I much prefer the Enduro scoring system as basicly you get a points reward for your efforts even if you're not in the top 14. I hate finishing 15th in the sprints 

2) Are you meaning that when a race is announced, one of the car choice would be reserved for drivers outside the 'Top 10' positions in the championship? (i.e. in a GTC-76 race, only people outside the top ten could choose the 906 maybe?) Promoting a more varied grid & possibly a closer one too (Which is something I reckon most people would enjoy). 

3) Something else entirely? 

[Blunder]

2) Are you meaning that when a race is announced, one of the car choice would be reserved for drivers outside the 'Top 10' positions in the championship? (i.e. in a GTC-76 race, only people outside the top ten could choose the 906 maybe?) Promoting a more varied grid & possibly a closer one too (Which is something I reckon most people would enjoy). 

Oow! Now that sounds interesting! Forces faster drivers to take the non preferred choice, could mean we all are in the mix at a similiar pace!
I like that idea!

Still wont stop the aliens dissappearing in the M1A on some races, but if they can tame that thing then good luck to them! 

M.

[Mark J]

multi-class is the way to go for endurance races i think, allowing a nice spread of cars and hopefully giving everybody someone to race against. The flipside is you could be actually reducing your likely number of opponents and end up only having say 5 guys to race against in a similar performance car instead of taking your chances against the whole field in pre-picked car choices.

The latest Le Mans enduro is a good example as if its anything like last time almost everyone will be jumping in the big powerful v8's as it seems easier to get a quick laptime but then we have chaos in the race as half the field cant seem to control them. It would have been more of an incentive if half the field had something to race for in a lower powered car (say class B) or whatever then we would no doubt have some great close racing on a legendary circuit.
Last time i found i had V8's steaming past me on the straights only to catch them again at the chicanes or turns because they had stacked it ! 

In GTL it shouldnt be about just picking the fastest cars to grab the points and championships, it should be more about enjoying some great close racing in your favourite classic race cars. Though of course if your favourite classic is a v8 monster then thats fair enough too.

[Jeffrey]

In GTL it shouldnt be about just picking the fastest cars to grab the points and championships, it should be more about enjoying some great close racing in your favourite classic race cars. Though of course if your favourite classic is a v8 monster then thats fair enough too.

 

I love V8's , so I pick them for every race I can, even Mickey Mouse tracks . Those cars give me the most fun, as I don't need to win in order to have fun.

[Legzy]

Those cars give me the most fun, as I don't need to win in order to have fun.

Same with my car choices, I'm not looking to win... just have the most fun