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Booking: From 19:15 (BST) (60 mins)
Practice: 20:15 (15 mins)
Qual: 20:30 (15 mins)
Race: 20:45 15 Laps(TBC) - (approx 30 mins)

Cars allowed:
McLaren F1-GTR
Optional skinpack here:-  https://www.dropbox.com/s/bwuje1c172ompaj/Mclaren%20F1-GTR%20skins.rar?dl=0

Track: Barcelona GP (Moto Layout)
Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Weather: Mid Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=25
SESSION_TRANSFER=60

Damage: 80%

Server: simracing.org.uk
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

All drivers must be booked in to race before booking closes at 20:15 UK time.

IMPORTANT:
-The PLP app VERSION 1.8 - not used for this series

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
(3) Please use the Driver Details page to ensure that the league management software has your correct name

Gents, I am pleased to announce Round 1 of the New BPR GT sprint racing series based loosely on the popular GT championship of the 90's. 8)

This thread is a placeholder/announcement to make all aware of Round 1 and give time for practise. I will ask uncle Dave to set me up a proper championship. :)

Why Barcelona new layout instead of old (moto) ...

I'm happy with either but the Old would then be 'right' for the cars  8)

I hadn't realised the moto circuit was the old layout. I personally think they ruined the last sector with those silly downhill chicanes so happy to use Moto as the final corner was always quite epic. Consider it done  :)

For those that may not have them already, heres a link to my dropbox for a set of tasty skins for the McLaren GTR. I think the credit goes to ChrisR who may have provided them originally.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bwuje1c172ompaj/Mclaren%20F1-GTR%20skins.rar?dl=0

Just had my first proper practise session on the server. Got down to the low 1:50's with a 1:50.2 my PB so far with 30L fuel onboard and med tyres. Only used the default setup so far with a few tweaks.
Like all GT cars on slicks, its a bit of a handful on lap1 until you get some heat in the tyres so go easy for the first couple of laps and work into the pace. I started the sesh on 1:54s and ended on a 1:50.2 so good to see an improvement.  :)

im so in for this :)

Welcome back Chris  :) more the merrier.

I doubt I will do this series. Never liked the McLaren F1 GTR.

I will share my setup.. Its really stable and fun to drive.

You just have to drive it with a mindset of smooth entry and exit, you cant get away with being rough with it.

Huh?! Its an awesome race car, what's not to like? If I can race it I'm pretty sure a man of your talents can Jeff!

Re setups, thanks for the offer Chris.  :)I was going to ask guys like yourself or Ed to offer up any tips to help tame these 90's wildcats for us mortal drivers.
Some target lap times would be useful too though I don't want to scare anyone off too!  :P

Hello guys, back from my holidays and glad to see this championship up for comming wednesday. Unfortunately i am nowhere near my pc the next few days, so i will be there with no praccy.
Glad to hear i can get my hands on a decent setup for this beast. Still will be a handful, which i like  ::)

They feel like wannabe racecars to me. I either like cars from the good old GTL days, the yank tanks, or proper race cars. These things are frustrating, they want to be racecars, but because they are quite primitive, they can't. The handle is just...I don't know, not my thing.

Qualifying trim and on softs will give me possibly a high 1:47 if I manage a perfect lap - Softs will not be an option in the race though as they overheat too fast.
I think my current setup using mediums is something in the region of mid to high 1:48's turning into consistent 1:49's out of traffic, can't comment on whether they'll go the distance but temp-wise they stay on the acceptable side of hot if you aren't too rough.
Going to have a play with Hard compound tires tonight hopefully  :)

Nice time FMG, I've not tried softs or low fuel runs yet. I was also wondering if meds would last the race. Think they will as long as you don't scrub them too much with spins or slides.  :-\

Posted this before but never tire of seeing it, sets the mood for these cars perfectly  8)
http://youtu.be/W0Xg9_79UaY

Im not sure how they are 'wanna be' race cars.. They were the pinicle of gt cars in the day, much like the old touring cars were..

I dont tgink ac does the f1 justice as it feels very light with the steering and it gives a feeling of no grip, but once you get used to it.. Man.. What a joy!

I suspect it's a combo of the tires feeling like they're made of plastic for the first lap combined with quite a twitchy standard setup  ;D

Got my race setup down to a consistent mid 1:49 lap now (40 odd litres of fuel) while full after some tweeks, curious to see if that can be improved before race night

I will try it tonight.

Previously i was on a 1'49.0 for moto., thats what we are doing right?

Yes  :)

I'm still stuck on 1:50 on the server. Seems to work best for me on soft springs. If I try stiffening it up its just understeer to oversteer  :-\
I'm running 3-8 wing though got the same pb with 3-7

1'48.5 now..

i tried it with high wing, low wing, soft, hard, lots of camber, not much camber, high pressures and low pressures and nothing really seems to do any good.

god knows how the guys at the top are doing 1'46's..

ive watched a lot of videos on youtube of the f1 onboard and it just looks so much more stable than our version..

i think the key is to just be smooth and not try to brake really late etc as you just end up sliding off the track.. seems to be a very fine line aswell.. 1 extra metre may be the difference between easily making the corner and ending up in the barrier.

That was my impression too. Can't seem to push it anything like he's doing in the video. Always thought this the sort of car you grab by the scruff of the neck but it's opposite in AC, wants early braking and smooth lines.
Anyone tested hard slicks yet? Do they get enough heat?

I found hard slicks too slow. Even when they were warm they didn't have the pace of the Mediums.
Good if we ever get the numbers for a VLN endurance christmas special race maybe  ;)

Are the videos you found of the current tyre model? It might be something as simple as that?

Low 50`s to mid 49`s on hards and they do not overheat like meds after 5-6 laps.
With meds i can do similar as Chris but, as heat goes up also lap time goes in same direction so in 8th or 9th lap it is low 50`s for me.

Still can`t decide with what to go - faster tires and try to survive second half of race, or slower ones and count on easy mistake on greasy tires from some of you, guys ...  ;D

btw, to see tires behavior i use 2 apps: tire app in game which came with 1.5 update, and psi helper  http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/tire-psi-helper-thingamajig-v1-11-bug-fix-2016-4-11.31864/

Very useful app, cheers Ed. ;D

Haven't seen the PSI helper before.
Just DL'ing that to try it

Cheers Ed, that psi helper should be a great help, thanks for the heads up.

Race day gents, let's have a good race, 90's GT style  :)

Lots of drinking first you mean?

Going for the Harrods livery out of that pack you put on the first post - looks really nice on the car  8)

it wont let me choose a skin..
how you supposed to do it again, i forgot.

You pick the skin you want in offline praccy/race then when you join the server it should give you the same skin. (Assuming server has skin pack installed?)
I'm going to be in the Fina car I think  :)

Server doesn't need the skin pack but you can only race on the server in your chosen skin when in booking mode, with pick-up mode (i.e. when server is set for practice) you get allocated skins in the order they were enabled on the server I believe.

ah of cause, yea your right.

Server launched - book in or miss out!

Where are the shared setups? I can't even drive a lap in 6th gear without over heating the tyres and crashing out!

This is what I have so far:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yk8ctvn8e9ls17x/McLaren%20GTR%202.ini?dl=0

Thanks Jeff - I found someone's Mugello setup online and that's got me at least able to complete laps but only at 1:58/59 pace. If I look at the throttle tyres have over heated and I'm off. Not exactly racing :( I'll give your's a blast now.

Make sure the downloaded setups are for 1.5, or else they will suck. Tyres will overheat, even the hards, not much I see you can do about that.

Your setup is ace Jeff. 1:49.3 after 2 laps  :o

Only 1:54 really but progress, thanks.

Gave it a shot, but seeing that this car is the "most enjoyable" of the 3, and I already hated this thing, I won't be doing the others races. That in combination of the tiny grids makes it so boring and a waste of time. AC is completely dead here for some reason.

ah come of JR, :)

i will share my setup for the next race :)

Thought I would give these ago, only had about half hour practice before the race. Every time I tried to push, the tyres would overheat within a lap. Sorry to who ever I ran into the back of at the end, I think it was Mark. I missed my braking point. I May give these ago again, but will need to try and find some time to practice off line first.
Is there a reason why we seem to avoid racing the GT3's in AC on a Wednesday night. I think they are the best cars in AC, and they have the new generation of cars such as the new benz and Maclaren as well as the Lamborghini Huracan.

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Nice shots Chris.

I had a mare of a race  :( Praccy went fine and I matched my pb of 1:50.2 so thought okay I've got a shout of 4th or 5th in the race...hmm.
Qually was a series of errors. Tried softs and couldn't make them last for 2 laps. Tried higher psi as per the app but kept locking up and Finally set a time only good enough for 8th on grid nowhere near my pb.
Race started well, enjoying chasing Bob around once Pete got on a slippery kerb. However I started locking up my fronts almost continuously behind Bob and they turned into 50 pence pieces until I totally flat spotted them stepping out of the tow into t1 braking  :'( from then on the car was a disaster and I slipped further back finishing a duff 8th place and not able to race anyone with red wear status on both fronts.
I hadn't locked my fronts once in any practise session!   :(

Well done to the podium  :)

F40's (not S3) at Brands GP next week folks, should be a great combo  8)

I will try the F40 next week but last night's car was just too hard for those with a lack of ability. The razor knife edge of tyre temps, going over the top at the slightest slide, makes the car, for me, simply undrivable. This means it's not racing, it's just survival and that's not fun. The penalty for one small slide is too severe.

A big shout out to Jeff for sharing a setup that at least got me within 107% of pole. I suspect I'll need a helpful setup for the F40 as well, if someone would be so kind to share one I'd appreciate it. Not having time to practice and being a numpty with setup isn't helping me with these races.

Well done all you aliens  :-[

Those screenshots look very cool. Sorry i could not make it yesterday, just too busy sadly. Looking forward to the next outing.

Okay I'm hearing what a few guys are saying. Let's give it a bit more of a chance before writing it off or bailing out already  :P it might be track specific.  :-\ can't say I enjoyed the racing experience either so my own jury is out until I use the f1 on other circuits properly.

The F40 will be a doddle after this  ;D and should be a blast on Brands GP layout  8)

I might run a Gt3 Blancpain Sprint series after this so keep the faith  :thumbup1: went to see it at Brands Hatch at the weekend and it was excellent.

 :) Been unable to race on Weds recently but couldn't resist this combo. How I managed 15 laps with only one mistake (sorry Animal Ed) is beyond me. Definitely will be here next week in the F40, hope for a bigger attendance, last night for me was epic.

Driving the f1 atm takes a certain mentality.. You have to forget about pushing, goin deep into corners and tryigg to accelerate out before the apex.... All the stuff you get away with in gt3 type cars is just thrown out of the window with this car. Just be smooth on entry, dont try braking dead late etc as it wont work.. Brake in loads of time and when enterting corners coast around them until the apex, it keeps the car stable and gently apply throttle and you should be ok. Also, try using a higher gear than you might initially think, this car has a shit load of torque and using a higher gear will help the power on oversteer.

Dont get me wrong.. Im not defending its current physics/tyre model.. I was doing my fair share of tantruming whilst practising.. I have spoken to the devs about the car just to check that all the 1' and 0's are in the correct place because its deffinatly changed since we did monza a couple weeks back. Aris said nothing has specifically changed but would have a look anyway..

Judging by videos you can see online there is deffinatly a tendancy for understeer.. We deffinatly got that lol.. But the on power oversteer and the off power corner entry oversteer imo is not realistic.. So here's hoping.

Somone asked whetger 35 was the correct tyre pressure and i said it was 33, i have to apologise because it is 35 and it really does make a difference..

I tried jeff's setup but for me it was not very stable, i will share my setup when we do the next mclaren race as im sure some of you haters will come round to the car.

It was 100 times more stable than what I had been using!

I understand smooth and all that but it's the penalty that gets imposed with one small mistake, easy to do when around other cars and not on your normal lines etc. These mistake get punished disproportionately IMHO. I look forward to trying your setup :)

Thanks for your input Chris, appreciated. I think the issue is the F1 felt like a clumsy big car with poor on/off power delivery (like the gt40's always felt like in Gtr2/p&g) whereas it should be a pretty nimble gt car that you can push/race with. It takes the fun out of racing when you have to tippy toe round a track. Think I'd use hards next time.
Still, we will see...

Np, i may went too direct into corner ignoring fact that you were not completely "solved" ...
My excuse is that i do not race single seaters so central position in car is unusual for me and impression that i had left enough space for fellow competitor is not "accurate" enough (sorry Pete - after watching replay, my move was at least too harsh on you) ...

... and why i was "officially confused" - it happened to me before but i forgot about that issue.
Every time when i change predefined (saved) setup before the race, car behaves like never before.

Bad traction especially. So far, for qualifying i was only altering my race setup by using softer tires and less fuel and no problem at all.
But if i use different setup without at least, leaving pits in session before the race - problem.

It took 5-ish laps and 2 spins with damage (about 10 mph slower on straight after second spin) to adapt but i can`t say that it was frustrating.
Learning how to go reasonably fast with what you have is not boring nor frustrating for me especially if it happened to be the car with power that exceed suspension capabilities.

On the other hand, with tire model 7, even gt2/3 cars are more interesting now so if Mark decide to put one race (or series) with those cars, i`ll be there.

I will put a link up to my barcelona set and you can try it out there and see how it feels.

My setup came from the Setup Market, so no credits for me, I only tweaked it a bit. For me it felt very stable, even a bit too understeery ar some point, so it's interesting to hear it can be even more stable  :).

I'll be curious to try that Chris.
My setup was the result of a few hours of messing about but was still way off the pace of yours.
Had I chosen Hard tires I would have finished 3rd anyway based on laptimes, I choose mediums in the end hoping to make my way to the front while they were still good and try to hold on till the flag  ;D

It all worked brilliantly until I caught too much curb and span onto the S/F straight  ::)
Although I think you had so much pace in your car once your own tyres were upto temp that you would have driven around me pretty soon anyway.

Sounds like we all want to try your setup Chris, no pressure!    :P ;D

I was most disappointed with my race pace using my own setup, especially as I had deliberately done all my practise on the server to avoid any surprises.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/0xru0tr0b1c48d6/%28AC1.5.9%29_Barcelona_Moto_-_1%2746.700.ini