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Car: Riley Daytona Prototype
Track: Watkins Glen (Boot)

Practice: 18:00 for 150 mins (approx)
Qualifying: 20:30 (15 mins)
Race: 20:45 35 laps (approx 60 mins)

Start: Rolling - standard iRacing double file start
No fast tows will be available

Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Bring it on - think this could be epic :)  Then again, we could all end up parked in the gravel by the chicane :D

It should be a good warm-up for the "Six Hours of the Glen" special event too

Looks like it's been cancelled :(

Amen to that.  ;D

IMO, the best track in iRacing.

IMO the easiest track :) in iR, so I'll be having another try in the dp.

see you there  :)

OK, I'll get the ball rolling this time.  With a tweaked Silverstone setup, I'm running mid 1:43's on race fuel.

Looks similar to my race pace last season - I squeaked a 1:42.8 in qualifying. Haven't run here yet this week - barely done any laps in the Radical yet.

Will be away for this one unfortunately - have fun!

After 10 or so non-incident/crashes laps i managed to get into the 46's using a tweaked med-downforce setup. Surprised how much slower than i thought the final chicane would be, not easy to turn it in.

Final chicane? Which track are you running Spanner?

Oh ok, matter of interpretation. The last two corners are effectively a chicane, just very stretched out ;D

The whole track's one long chicane looked at like that. :)

I've only managed a 1:43.7 in my Q setup but the optimal is a 1:43.2 so hopefully there's a bit more to come.

Mid 1:44's with fuel.

Saw Reign Man was at the top of the charts in a practice session earlier so I felt obliged to go and pip him. :D :angel: One outlap and set the fastest lap of the session with a 43.9 on my first flying lap. Not sure if 19.8g will be enough fuel, and I think tyre wear could be a factor here because of all the fast corners.

EDIT: perversely, despite it being a very fast track, I find I'm quicker with 10 rear wing instead of the usual 8. With 8 I don't have sufficient traction out of some of the faster corners.

Looks like I'm going to have to miss this one, a higher form of intelligence has arranged for us to do something else on Tuesday evening.

I'm working on the puppy dog eyes to try and change the situation but its not having much effect so far >:(

Regards
Gary

Sory to hear that Gary, maybe try the 'Pit Bull' eyes instead? ;) :angel:

Not if he wants to keep his eyes where they are I suspect.

:(

lollll

down into the 44s at the moment with a test setup.... 42s are just not gonna happen for me!

Practice server has been launched

Thanks Pete, though there was always the public servers ;)

Shall be on 8.30-9pm for some much needed practise

Practice results (http://members.iracing.com/membersite/member/EventResult.do?subsessionid=2072632). Looks like Paul968's the man to beat!

There are a lot of people missing there so I wouldn't be too sure.

Not turned a wheel since I stuffed the Mazda last week but just about ready to get back on the horse so to speak  :-[! 

Hoping to find the groove fairly quickly tonight given it's a track we've used a few times  :).

Server's up

So sorry to Michael and anyone else who got caught up in my brainless act at the first corner. :(    Gonna give these two championships a miss as im waisting my time at the moment and i defantly dont want to waste anybody elses.  Never seem to have these problems in the official races so need to take a step back and get these things sorted.

Dan

From the replay, it appears that when you hit Michael, he spins right round and clips my LR.  It was the merest of touches but the car was undriveable after that.  I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, I suppose.

No hard feelings though, Dan. :)

Left on lap 13 while in p8 through boredom.

I've been fairly negative so far to this car & in fairness tonight was not the cars fault, it was alright. If I reckoned there would be a sniff of someone to race with, I'd have kept going. :(

Can't believe the number of drop outs in races ???

No resets ;)

I messed up as well at T1, saw smoke and mayhem ahead so I decided to lock up and spin myself  :'( Car was bent as a result so I went slowly round hoping to pick up some places from those falling off elsewhere. Got up to my starting place but was losing several secs to the cars in front and could see the red labels of those coming around to lap me so bailed when I had a twitch as I really couldn't push the bent old girl. I whoever I had contact with in T1 was ok. Should have stuck to my Mazda mantra of not trying and starting at the back.

And people pulling out with perfectly sound cars doesn't help.

Sadly not.  A ton of car hitting my front right wheel in reverse didn't do it a lot of good.

Well that went well, took avoiding action in the T1 fun, got the black flag and had to go slow up to the Esses, got punted towards the end of the lap and spun round and a couple of laps later could not avoid someone spinning in the Loop. Too badly damaged to continue.

Not a great evening all in all. :(

Gary

You did break into the 42's.

I assumed that comment would come back my way, but I joined the race to get some back of the grid lovin racing... not to hot lap with cars 25 secs either side in a car that I'm not exactly in love with (though as I said, it offered a bit of hope tonight).
Maybe it's my fault, maybe I'm one of the few slow coaches in a pretty fast league. :-\

Went & had some fun with the guys on the PnG server instead

Results will be Results will be here (http://members.iracing.com/updating/maintenanceupdate.htm?subsessionid=2076321) when the membersite comes back.

Just want to say thank you to the team, the sponsors, the organiser, and especially to Paul H for falling off near the end and taking all the pressure off me. :D :angel:

The site appears to be back but no results....  :'(

EDIT: Phew, it's there now :)

Avoided the mess at T1. After that I chased Pops for a bit who fell off as I got close and meant we had no battle. Boo hiss. Then didn't see another car for the rest of the race. Was so boring I'm not surprised Legzy quite as it really was a yawn fest.

Link is wrong try this:-

http://members.iracing.com/membersite/member/EventResult.do?&subsessionid=2076321&custid=18351

Well .... I limped round for 28 laps with a sick car, feels like an achievement!

Starting down the order was a blessing, I managed to slalom through the stationary cars at T1 and got into a pretty good rhythm, although the pace wasn't stellar .... but then it never is with me in this car :).

I managed to catch up with Ken, and getting a good run on him out of T1 gave me a chance to pass into the chicane, Ken didn't fight the pass, so we both made it through safe and sound.  After that I had a 5 second gap to Shark, and whilst that wasn't looking like decreasing any, with Ken behind there wasn't any chance to relax.  The gap was growing, but sadly it all went horribly wrong a couple of laps later, I lost the back of the car on the exit of the chicane, and ended up nudging the wall with the front left.

After the nudge the handling was totally knackered, I couldn't take the right handers with any speed at all, and the car was very very twitchy.  I soldiered on, watching the gaps behind shrink rapidly, and the gaps infront to increase with equal or greater speed .... still ... with the number of folk disapearing I figured it was still worth my while carrying on.

Another contact with a wall (damned twitchy car) left the steering further bent, and me having to steer left to go straight on .... although another nudge on the penultimate lap bent the right front, and straightened the steering out again :D.

After my cock up left me going backwards through the field, it was a dull dull race for me.  I managed to not make a nuisance of myself with the lappers (I think) - and getting the car home was an achievement in itself.  Ah well .... roll on next race.

Sorry to have messed your race up to then  :'( I have a propensity for acting like a lemming, if someone has an accident in front of me I run out of available stack and crash in sympathy all too often  :-[

I got a real buzz out of that finishing 5th but got rather deflated when I saw over half the field failed to finish. That's really disappointing considering the results of the first two races.
Seems to me it's largely the usual suspects who are finishing each week, something to be learned there maybe?

Anyhoo....

I managed to take a whopping 0.6s off my PB in qually to start 8th, I managed to avoid the stationary car in T1 quite handily and was up to the giddy heights of 4th! :o

Shark was 3s down and I kept it that way for a few laps until he started nibbling away in that *highly* annoying way he always seems to manage when he's behind me ;D I was prepared to block (;)) for the last 28 laps but managed a "noob of the year" move to completely miss my braking point into T8 (the boot heel) and sail into the gravel. I have no idea what happened, I thought, "Aha, there's my brake marker... hang on, that doesn't look right.... ARRGH!". Sorry Shark, I robbed you of (yet another) chance to make me feel totally inadequate ;)

After that, I had Ken and Martin close up. I pitted first at halfway, managed a decent stop, pulled a few seconds out on Martin, and waited, and waited for Ken to stop. I thought he had a cunning plan and was getting quite worried he'd get the jump on me but in the end I think something went wrong and he came out behind Martin.

Second stint was a bit dull, I half-heartedly chased Shark but couldn't make any impact so settled for 5th trying to keep it clean. Gotta say, "well done" to Martin who was lapping consistently all race and kept me honest.

Grats to Dave on the win and Paul and Mike on the podiums  8)

Another race where I'm really glad to be on the front row!

Was quite surprised to start in 2nd, unable to get anywhere near Paul's pace, though I'd have been closer if I hadn't stuffed up my final lap in qually when I was a third of a second up on my PB! ::)

After seeing the tyre wear in practice it was clear that a change would be required, so I loaded up half fuel in order to keep the weight down and speed up. Race started well and soon Paul and I were pulling away from Oily and Mike in third. I wasn't 100% happy that I was gaining enough time to counter any no tyre strategies, but I was committed now and all I could do was drive as fast as possible.

I was quite surprised that Paul wasn't simply dropping me; he pulled out a couple of seconds gap, but with the tyres going off from around lap 10 onwards I was able to close back up to under a second as the stint came to an end. Possibly he was running 8 wing, and my 10 was giving me a traction advantage on worn tyres?

Anyhoo, wanted to pit before Paul if possible to try and gain track position on fresh rubber, so I dove in at the end of lap 17. Not a great entry and I was a bit tardy down the pit lane, but the stop itself went smoothly, with Mike pitting from 3rd right behind me, and my pit box was in prime position for a foot to the boards exit.

I didn't know for sure whether Paul was changing tyres - I guessed he was and sure enough he was in his stall as I came round on the next lap - and even better, he emerged from the pit lane a few seconds behind me. Now the question was, could I hold him off?

And the answer was... "yes"! ;D In fact, on the new tyres, despite no adjustment in pressure, the car felt great, better than the first stint. They lasted better as well, and the gap was steady at about 5 seconds until Paul started to close up again with less than 10 laps to go. My tyres were again going off, and it was impossible to push, but I figured I had just about enough in hand to stay ahead to the flag.

As it happened, he spun with about 4 laps to go and I was able to relax and cruise round to an unexpected but very welcome win. :w00t: Well done to him on being far enough ahead of Mike to still finish 2nd, and to Mike for making it two Sharks on the podium.

Was really surprised to get fastest lap too after Paul did 41s in both praccy and qually!

p.s. Championship's a wee bit close now! :laugh:

Yes I'll come to that.

Preparation for this was non existant for me. I have been away at Knockhill all weekend and didn't have chance to get on the server last night. I was late home tonight and only did about 3 or 4 laps before leaving to do my taxi run. I just got back in time to do one flying lap in qually, which had me well down the grid. That was actually an advantage with the T1 carnage and I was running in the top ten after picking my way through it. As Adam mentioned he soon caught and passed me but then had his off at the chicane. The race was settling down now and I thought I'd check the fuel. I'd only had time to just pluck Dave's setups off the Shark site and I didn't know what fuel we needed so just left it as it was. It had 24 gals in I think!!! Anyway I went a good while but I thought I better change tyres because of my recent experiences in the Mazda. I left the fuel at about 10 gals because I thought someone said somewhere that it fills to the amount you set, rather than add what you set! Dunno where I got that from because it wasn't the case. So I was back up to 20 gals or so and just to round it all off I spun exiting the pits and got a stop and go. I'm glad Adam stayed out in his broken car and saved me from being the last finisher. I had some fun with Mike near the end as he lapped me, but he was probably worried I might rear end him because he pulled over after a while and allowed me to unlap myself!!

I wasn't sure how well I was doing here and I hadn't managed a full race distance in the official series, so I had no idea about tyre wear.

Qualified well, 4th place and got a decent start, then got clobbered at T1.  Went spinning round and thought the car would surely be wrecked.  But no!  I rejoined in 4th place and after a couple of cautious laps, the car seemed OK.  So I pushed on.  Caught up to James and finally passed him into T1 and completed it into the esses.  I don't know what happened, but he spun at the top of the hill :(

Made my pitstop and took fuel only, which was a mistake really as the pace dropped off dramatically afterwards.  Knowing I had no chance of challenging the leading pair, I settled down to bring the car home 3rd.

Had high hopes for this one, especially after qual, but all things considered Dave was just too good tonight. Given the qual gap I was surprised that Dave hung on so well in the first stint, but he never got close enough to challenge for the lead. Then just before the stop I lost a chunk of the small lead I had when lapping Adam. Dave then pitted first and I stupidly stayed out for 2 more laps, neither of which were great, so when I did my (rather average) stop I came out just behind Dave. Within a lap we were behind Adam again, and this time I lost out even more as Adam let Dave by into T2 but by the time I was close enough to pass we were at the chicane where Adam was very slow (presumably down to car damage). I then tried to close the gap, but Dave was very quick on the new tyres and things stayed much the same for several laps. As we got into the last quarter I pushed even harder and I was closing in, but it was white knuckle stuff at times an in the end it bit me with a spin at the chicane. I had a nice big gap back to Mike anyway so it was no problem to recover and pootle round to the finish, but it was a shame not to see what a couple more quick laps might have done to Dave's composure. As I said though, despite all the excuses, Dave fully deserved the win, and the fastest lap just underlines that. Grats to Mike too on 3rd after the 1st corner contact. Big shame to see all the problems on lap 1 and the resultant drop-outs  :( Don't give up though Dan, we all want to see you racing. Just try to see if you can learn from the experience. Got to say though that this just shows that no resets do not necessarily improve the racing - they just take people out of the race.

ps just to add, not complaining Adam, just the way the cookie crumbles. I just seem fated to trip over you at the moment  :)

Grats Dave  :)

Loved the combo and practised for a good 3 days so was happy to get a pb in practise of a 43.0  ;D

Just as quali started my gf got back home and was upset about a family problem (pretty serious one  :-[) and wanted my full attention, hence only one flying lap in quali and a shabby start. My head was not in it at alll...... hmmm  ::) ... and maybe a little guilty  :P

Never tried Zandvoort except a bit of praccy in Race07 but look forward to it  O0

No worries - I didn't read any of it as a complaint :).  My pit stop was a few laps after yours which is why I managed to get in your way again - with the car being a "bit" knackered I wasn't sure about how the tyres were holding up, so I basically split the post-wall laps in two and pitted half way through them meaning a few laps past the mid-race distance.

With the handling being so compromised I had to be very cautious into a number of the turns, the chicane being one of them, I was hoping I'd be through it in time to let you by without slowing you down - sorry it didn't end up being the case.

Very surprised to have the pace for third on the grid having not had time to practice at all, think I'm slowly dialing in to the Riley.

Unfortunately though concentration clearly wasn't there and 5 or so laps in after a  nice clean move from Mike I tucked in to start applying the pressure back and got slightly up on the curb at T3 (left bit of the fast chicane), which was just enough to put me into a major tank slapper and stick me in the wall....hard lol.

Complete anticlimax as I thought I might have the pace to make things interesting for third and actually felt like I was driving within myself for the first few laps as I settled in but that's racing!

Well done Dave, great drive and to Paul for a blistering qually lap - very impressive once again.

Fix up Dan - can't blame yourself for the last round! Will see you on the grid @ Zandvoort son ;).

Don't worry mate, I've known you long enough to know you're not a first corner bandit.  We've all done it.

Ooh, nearly forgot to post a report!

Really enjoyed that!

Started way down the order as is my usual position!  ;)
Threaded the needle through the T1 fun and games and came out about 10th!
Let Rob by as he did his usual red mist first lap!  ;D  ;)
Put in some solid laps chasing down a few people which was good fun!
I was slowly catching Ken, which I knew could only be because he had an issue! ( Still felt good though !  ;) )
Pitted for half fuel and tyres and came out ahead of Ken!
Was really pushing hard but couldn't catch Pops ahead. Kept him honest though!   ;)
Really enjoyed that!
I know we all like bumper to bumper action but I do get a lot of pleasure out of pressuring the guy in front even if he is 10/20seconds ahead. I do also feel the pressure from behind too!
Dissapointed my mate Legzy and a few others dropped out! You normally come good Legz so was expecting a come back!

Thanks all, grats to all you fast guys! Awesome pace!

Looking forward to the next one!

M.

I enjoyed that. Was just trying to go along at a steady pace so i could finsih and having Legzy ahead help give me judge myself but for some reason legzy thinks he's running GTL or something and wanted to race so dropped back screwing my up and a few laps later made a mistake and went off. Doubly annoying as i was in the top 10!

I guess i'm not here to race, I'm here to enjoy driving the cars, learn how to drive and set them up, and try and improve myself. I struggle to understand how you are bored by it, especially when you've been doing the UKGTR enduro races for so long.

Am enjoying driving these, or at least trying to drive these 8)

I'm glad you enjoyed it mate, but sadly of the two of us you were having the fun & using me a guide round the track effectively. After what must have been about 4/5 laps of you following me, I wanted a turn at following the leader that you seemed so happy with. I was hardly harassing you like I would in any other sim we do together (3/4 times a week you big green prodigy driver :P), just driving as quickly/safely as I could. Upped your concentration too instead of driving Miss Daisy round ::). You throwing yourself off track had nothing to do with me though & as you know I was very disappointed when your race was over because basically that was the end of my enjoyment & so race really. :(
BTW, we were 10th & 11th out of 12 if I remember... everyone else had quit already. I can't explain how little satisfaction I get from finding my excellent finishing position was 9th because 9 people quit before I did. :(

p.s. It was just a real shame that so many people dropped out so early, with out people coming back through the field, limping on with far more talent then me & my normal rivals dropping out, it was just a real shame... that's all I was saying.  :)

Chris, I did come back past you once, the second time the car would not drive in a straight line so just had to park!

Shame, I was looking forward to trying to make my way through.

Gary

It's all very well complaining when there are so many drop outs, but there are just as many complaints when someone soldiers on with a car that is 6-7 seconds off the pace and spinning at every other corner.

If I had escaped with no damage at T1 I would've continued for sure, despite having to let the entire field through.  However, I also know how to recognise when I will be nothing more than a nuisance to everyone else and that's the time to call it quits.

I agree, it was a shame, but these things happen.  If anything, it's the only time this season that so many have dropped out, and at a circuit where the barriers are so close it hardly seems susprising.

Being off the pace is one thing, but damage or not, spinning all the time is never acceptable, that just means that you're not driving within your limits, and we clamp down on drivers guilty of that in shiny new cars.


I was initially 7 seconds a lap off the pace I should have been running as a result of damage, although after getting used to the feeling of the car it was 3-4.  Even 7 seconds off the pace, I was still within 110% of the races fastest lap.  You run at the pace that the car could do safely - being slow doesn't make you a menace .... being a menace makes you a menace.

Sure I may have cost Paul some time when he was lapping me, and maybe others, but as he says, that's the way the cookie crumbles, sometime a backmarker will cost the guy infront of you time benefitting you, other times you lose out.  Not all backmarkers have damaged cars to use as an excuse!

I think that a few more people could have soldiered on with bent cars - they might be off the pace, but I doubt that everyone that had a bent car had one so knackered that they couldn't have run within 110% of the leaders.

I realise we all do this for fun, and often a T1 prang removes the fun, but on reflection I actually enjoyed driving the car even when it was damaged.  Had a few people limped round with me I'm sure we'll all have had fun, and as long as we still drove within our limits we'd not have inconvenienced anyone more than a little.




I'm sure there used to be something in the rules stating that you had to complete a certain percentage of the race in order to score any points - I can't find it now though .... is this still in effect?

It was in your imagintion. ;)

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