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In case you have been away from GTL, there have been GTL lobby problems. But.... it's all fixed now!

This is what you do to connect to the server:

1) Download & run this HOSTS HACK (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_hostshack)
2) Start GTL & select to the lobby
3) Register a new lobby account (I suggest the same name but with a blank email & password)
4) Log in with your new account & you should see a list of servers

:euro:

If this fix has not worked for you, then please check out this thread for more info/questions: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6869.msg119486#msg119486

But most importantly, do not suffer in silence (also, don't leave it till the Tuesday night ;)).
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All members welcome.

Grid/server capacity: 28

Practice: ~19:00 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:00  (40 mins)
Race: 20:40 (7 laps = ~70mins)

Track: NORDSCHLEIFE 2006 (24hr circuit) download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_nordschleife)

Cars allowed: Porsche 935 Download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_porsche935), Porsche 934 Download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_porsche934), BMW CSL GR.5 & Turbo Download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_bmwcsl5), Porsche 911 RSR, Ford Escort RS2000, De Tomaso Pantera, Ford Capri RS3100

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: ON
Fuel consumption: 2x

Server: UKGTL REPLI-race
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) This race will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.8.0.0 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=237;theme=5)
(5) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car

If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

OMG, it will be a painfull race for me but I will try to be there. Nordscheleavealone with these cars are great to go to pit repairs each lap.   :D

Cya all , I can run with you?

Tank all

Regard

Marco Casadei

20min Q could be a little bit too less for this track ;D

Oh great ::) Look at my present for finally getting GTL working! hmm.. bonkers cars at a bonkers track


Well at least i should have plenty of time to practise, its a bit manic at the moment

Good point Henry. Announcement adjusted.

Henry told me, that you plan to do this event!
And so, because I think that I´m a so called specialist of the track "Nordschleife", I have to compete here. ;D

I´ll take either the 935 or the CSL turbo. See yah on track!

Hello, the Nordschleife specialist drivers must do a mandatory pit every lap of the race... ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hic3gYbGIk&feature=grec

This is nice.  :)

 Very very nice !!;)

Yes - looks good sounds good.  :thumbup1:

Bill

I think the new Grp 5 cars are gonna be slower than the 76 cars round here for the simple reason of putting together a nice smooth lap but i could be wrong.  Turbo CSL is amazing round here.  ;D

How many will finish? How many will finish without making any contact at all?

Tried the RSR and the turbo CSL. Even driving the wheels off the RSR I couldn't get within 10 secs of a scrappy lap in the CSL. Shame really as the RSR is soooooo much fun around here.

If anyone fancies taking the standard cars for this one I'll join you. Just the thought of 70 mins round here in the turbos is enough to give me a headache.

I know the feeling.




I thought it was the same layout as the race before  ::).  Grp 5 should be quicker then.

Just done a few laps in the grp 5 CSL Turbo and done a 9.02xx ....Bleedin handfull!!!

Just turn the volume down.  ;D

Bill

Tried the turbo beemer and in my hands it would be a bag of bits by the end of lap one.

So I'm going in the GREEN Gr.5. Beemer cos I had a great time tearing around the nolife innit innit.

Nice Tony, I'm driving a CSL Grp5 so I guess battle will commence again. :thumbup1:

Bill

Stop with the funny skins guys. I can't get into the server. I'm stuck on loading Goldtop.

Lol finish fuel 4 lap .

Regards

Casadei Marco

Alias

cico71

First off, apologies to those who had trouble with my skin. I was using the team KC one from our custom skin pack which most of our regulars would already have. Thinking about it now, Tony said  ;D I do seem to remember someone mentioning that it was unlikely to be needed in this series because nobody would be foolish enough likely to use the standard cars ::)

The RSR was so much fun around here I couldn't resist taking it. Also from xd it looked certain that a one stop would be possible, which with the longest pit entry in the world, would make it a little more viable. As it turned out, the pit entry was my undoing, as xd didn't take this into account and I ran out of fuel on the pit straight :wetfish:

Apologies Paulo as I rejoined right in front of you almost taking you out. I didn't see or hear you approaching and I did check. You were the first car I'd seen for about 20 mins ::)

Hope we at least had a pody at the end of all that.......well done to all finishers  8)

Joining up was a last minute thing so I will say my hello's and nice to meet ya fellas now. Some of you know me from GTLDK. We had a decent run at Brands last week so I thought I'd try and catch the Nords race with the rest of you fellas. Was a ton of fun until I ran out of fuel :-[ As soon as Cosworth said "fuel" my car started starving out too and I knew I was DOA. Either way it was fun while it lasted and look forward to running with everyone whether it be here or GTLDK races. Cheers and a big congrats to Mike Miller,podium finishers and anyone else that survived the Green Hell ;)

I love the ring when I mostly stay on, it is soooo frustrating, yet so rewarding if I can resist the temptation to push
beyond my skill. Made an utter whitebait of the start, and spun with too much power in T1, same story as at Portimao
and other places, the problem is that I can't distinguish my own engine noise from the mass of cars around, and have
no idea I am flooring it until it spins. I've set "other cars" to 20% now so maybe It will be better.

Great race anyway, enjoyed chasing and catching then passing - mostly as people fell off, had some contact with Marco
as he slewed back and forth across the road and I hit his truncheon with my neck for a change  ;)
not sure I could have sustained sub 9's for 7 laps, but perhaps if I had not had to spend so much time dicing with people after my mishaps
(1st to 10th in one corner !) I "might" have taken the fight to you for some of the time at least Mike. Fuel was very marginal, I used a long 5th
and short shifted quite a bit before the stops not sure if the game simulates fuel consumption that well but unlike some
unfortunates I got into my pit at the end of lap 4 with the blue light flashing and the red petrol pump solid red.

Results and replay now posted

This circuit is growing on me, mainly because I'm not crashing quite so often. Sorry for bugging out at the end, I wasn't being rude, my ISP was having BT troubles apparently.

Lets try to keep the chatter to a minimum during qually please guys and definately hush up during the race unless it's Bill (go left) ;)

Championship is getting a bit tasty at the top, hope Pribeiro can hold his nerve  :-\

I'm not a fan of the Nordschleife. It is a very stressful course with little passing room. I knew I wouldn't have the pace here so I didn't do any practice till just before quali. I knew the track well, but didn't know what these beasts would do on it. I quickly found that fuel would be tight so I adjusted gearing to a long 4th and 5th.

I held onto Schens and Navin for the first 2 laps learning how quickly the car could in each section of the track along the way. I made a mistake early in the 3rd lap and lost touch. Cosworth got by and drove off into the sunset. He was mighty quick here. At the end of lap 3, I took to the pit lane to top off the tanks. Schens got out right behind me and drove hard till he went off at a fast section of the track. From there, I backed off a bit knowing I needed to save fuel. Coasting into corners and short shifting and generally driving slower allowed me to save enough fuel to get to the end.

There's no secret at all that I don't like Nordschleife and Monaco.

That's why I didn't even qualified (same as Cosworth), or I could get too bored to make all the 7 race laps.

Anyway, I was there to race. Cosworth and me started last, but at the end of first lap we were at top 6
very close to the top 3. That was when things began to went wrong.
At the very final chicane just before the GP track begins, Dick Dastarly and Mutley pulled the wall into the track  :shifty: and I lost my rear wing.  ::)
No need to say that I had to do a complete lap in the GP layout untill I was able to enter the pits.  :eek:
With no rear wing this Turbo fellows are undrivable, lost more than 2 minutes doing that. Lost another 2 minutes in pits for repairs. So I changed all strategy  :yes: new tires, full tank fuel again and 6 laps of huge boring slow driving to spare fuel and tires. It kind work tho, I managed to get the 5th place only 50 seconds behind 4th, but with my rear tires with +40 wear.  :w00t:

Big congrats to podium and all finishers.

I am sure that I would love to race in real life at Nords. It would be very different undoubtedly!

Cheers

Lol Goldtop, was a bit scaring but you did well when I arrive you have done a reverse manouver that allowed me to to pass without any problem. Hatts off for your car choice.  :w00t:

Too worn out/busy trying to stay on the track to chat last night - I've gone off in the past trying to be polite.  ???  Anyway, don't recall you being in a lapping situation last night. :devil:

It was odd last night - fuel consumption - I checked my fuel when I saw the chat on running out of fuel and saw I was tight to complete my 4 lap stint to Pit Stop.  I short shifted a bit on the windy bits and made it OK.

Chuffed to finish, usual position - last on the road.  Set a new PB qualifying and just managed to pip in in the race by a few tenths of a second - shows I was at the limit of my capabilities.

Made a good start and got ahead of Tony we had battle for a few miles until I ran wide onto the grass and he got by.  Passed him later after he'd had an off and let my by, only for me to run wide and let him through again - the last I saw of him.  After that it was concentrate and try and avoid any major errors - had a few bounce along the Armco moments but nothing like a car wrecking crash.

Bill

i'm a little bit confused. watched the replay and a lot of guys cuts the track for the pit. i thought the "allow cut" was only for qualifying?
in my eyes, this rule makes no sense in race. :blink:

Hmmmmm..... I would have made it to my pitstop had I done that. On the other hand I was relying on some having to stop twice with the long in lap to claw back some time, so can't have it both ways. I agree that these things should be made clear before the event to avoid confusion and any unfair advantage.

Does that mean that it was allowed to cut to the pits during race?
If so, I lost +2 minutes doing the whole lap to get to repairs for nothing?  ::)
 

@gold
nobody had to do 2 pitstops.

@paulo
thats the question. tony said something in the q about cutting track, but i guessed it was only to avoid the long outlap in q and not to cut the hole GP part in race?
anyway, there is a solution: DQ for all cutters :devil:
new result:

Paulo
Henry
Bill
 :angel:

Ofcourse that Tony let us cut the track on qual to avoid the longgggggggggggggggggg out lap,
but is obvious that in race we have to stick with the rules.
I remember Tony warned us during qual for the procedure pit entry (Tony even apologise for talking during qual while his warning).
Time for FIA commissioners aka Tony, work.  ;D

Your both right and wrong Paulo.

1) I stated in practise before qually that I would be turning a blind eye to anyone who wanted to circumvent the outlap by any means.

2) At the end of qually I also stated that one method of pit lane entry was to stay on the right hand side of the track and to drive between the cones.

Those that didn't heed my words of wisdom only have themselves to blame.

damn.

logfile evidence plz :devil:

lol

I agree with PR on this.  Henry asked the question and Tony outlined the correct pit entry in detail.  I'd been using this during practice with my fuel consuption tests and didn't even know there was a CHEAT.  Tony also said that during the race we would have to use the correct entry and not the short cut.

Definitely a change in finishing order is Warranted.

Bill

I followed Tony's pre-race advice. If you were to finish the lap and then go through the entire GP circuit before you pit, don't you have to do the entire GP circuit again before taking to the Nordschleife? How would the lap counter treat this? You guys didn't get a cut warning?

Oh dear, how do I manage to cause all this grief all on my own  ???

I think what's happening here is peoples interpretation of what I said at the end of qually. Mike's right, Bill sorry but your not. I had meant that you enter the pits before undertaking the GP circuit. I hadn't even appreciated going any other way, ever!

That of course doesn't make me right, I know that now, but at the time it did, if you see what I mean?

Bill, if you feel cheated out of a place I'll file a report and get the mods to swop us around ok? I'm honestly not bothered.

 ::)

Well I needed 2 stops and the fact that others ran out of fuel suggests they also needed 2.

If I had known I could cut the track I would not have run out of fuel.

IMO the cheat (which I presume was cutting through the tyres at the top section) should not have been used in quali. Quali was increased to 40 mins to allow for the length of the lap/outlap and this should have been adhered to.

The shortcut in race I believe involves driving to the right of the cones as one enters the stadium section and is a totally different matter. This should never have been done and as such IMO should be a DQ.

I think confusion reigned over the pitting  ??? - there are no Pit Signs.  I take Mike's point about doing the Stadium Section twice, the lap counter coped OK I ran 6 laps and that's what Xd told me.  :thumbup1:

Tony I didn't find the way in you suggested  :no: (didn't know it existed - had seen chat about a cheat in the past  :helpsmilie:) but guess after that last tight Chicane you go straight on rather than bear left into the Stadium.  I've never used the pit entrance I used before as we've never had an enduro here before.  I assumed that that was the correct entry for this variant of the track.  :whistling: Can any Ring specialist tell use which is the correct race entrance used in the 24 hr race here?

Finally, with all this confusion, I guess we could have been DQed for leaving the track contrary to the Race Director's instructions.  :notworthy: I accept the result Tony.  :thumbup2:

Bill

Interesting.

I heard and noted Tony's comment about taking a short cut in Qual, but chose to do a "warm up lap" round the full track
before recording a time on my 2nd lap, and therefore my 1st (and only) flying lap, got round in under 9 mins so that will do
was not expecting to be pole, but hey people fall off a lot here.  ::)

I used Tony's advice to "keep right on start/finish straight" to pit (once only) actually for me was opposite to some
I had not even thought of going all the way round the new part to get to the "real" pit entrance
In practice It showed I had done 4 laps including the short new part only "outlap" and ran out of fuel trying to get back to the
pit entrance as I had overshot, if I had kept right and slowed enough and not had to do the short outlap I would have made the pit stall no problem, so had no expectations of needing two stops. The "4 laps" might have been 4 times round the new part, and only 3 round the old, either way 4 laps with long gearing, and a bit of short shifting worked fine in the race

hehe, you know racing is not only to drive as fast as you can. it includes also a strategy part.^^
you did 4 complete laps + maybe 500m. thats enough to finish the race with only one stop. the secret is, that you had to do your stop after lap3.
your plan:
stint1: 4laps + GP part; stint2: 3laps
the right plan: 3laps + GP part; stint2: 4laps ;)
all others who ran out of fuel did the same mistake.

and i guess it was bill who showed, that you can do also 4 laps + GP part if you change your style/gearbox and save enough fuel.

you were one of the guys who did the correct pit entrance during the race. ;)
the shortcut, which we are talking about is on the start-finish straight. before you pass the finish/start line there are some cones on the right hand side. there you can leave the track in the pitlane;)

if we come to the nordschleife in the le mans series, you will see, that this shortcut doesn't work on this version. if you still use it, you your lap doesn't count and you have to do one more lap.  :laugh:

You are of course correct Henry. Pit on 3 laps, fill up and roll over the line on fumes to complete the 7th lap.

I aways like to do the short stint lastm then my tyres are fresher than the early stoppers which could give me a chance to overtake someone. :thumbup1:

Bill