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As the UK is now getting all geared up in snow-boots and Eskimo gear it seems an appropriate time for a jaunt into the Austrian mountans. The Sim weather forecast  however, promises unseasonably warm and sunny conditions for Sunday 17th January at Zeltweg.
This is a bit of an experiment for Sunday Drivers - Zeltweg is not a regular track although some of you may have tried it before. There was a very strong field for the last event in Rouen so hoping to see quite a few of you there. Please assemble in the UKGPL chat room between 9.05 & 9.15. Depending on turnout the race might be passworded.
As usual shift R is permitted. Whilst we are all there to race the point of the spec competition is to compare the fastest lap time in race conditions for each car. We all have a better chance of putting in our best lap if we avoid (too many) collisions & pile ups. 
The spec challenge will be the BT7 v Cooper. Usual rules apply - 2 races and for your times to count you need to complete half race distance in both chassis.

Each race 10 laps, first 30 mins qually, second 20 mins qually
Using the Ronnie Bresich 1970 version found here; http://dixierunners.speedgeezers.net/zeltweg1970/ (http://dixierunners.speedgeezers.net/zeltweg1970/)

 ;) Maddog sent me this link
http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=4540&st=24


well , I will set up my server for a test including that fix as well including the changed track.ini by Clive.

Many thanks for Nicky for agreeing to host this event & to Maddog for the update.
I drove this track about a year ago in a GPL fun race. It isn't too difficult to learn and the sweeping curves are great for drifting the cars. Not suggesting I'll be any faster than my usual back of the grid position but this enjoyable track & well worth finding an evening to practice. Hope to see you on Sunday.
... Bill.

why are you not using Zeltweg 1971 ? as the old track had loads of bugs and problems online afaik .

http://www.f1legends.ch/update/circuits/zeltweg.php

"Zeltweg 1970 was created by Ronnie Bresich in 2001. The track was good but unfortunately very unstable. So, with Ginetto's help, i decided to fix and completely rework the track to make a new version called Zeltweg 1971.

Why a new version ? Because the track have been heavily modified and it is no more compatible with the old version.
We think it was the best decision to avoid compatibily problems with the old track and to guarantee a good stability online .

Other changes :

- new textures
- more than 2800 3do objects added
- crowd and announce sounds added"
http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=5256&st=0&start=0

john

 :D
nice hint , thx  John .

personlay I would prefer to use Zeltweg 1971 then . looks extreme nice , no risk of online bugs and setups may have been worked out for Zeltweg 1970 could still be used .

well , its up to Billy make an decision on that  ;D

Is it the same version in both links?

Yes, ultimately the second link takes you to the first link anyway!!

The 71 version is really just a fixed version of the 70, but they decided to make it a new track to avoid confusion!!

Really the 70 can be consigned to history, although I've enjoyed many a lap round it myself, Zeltweg is one of my favourite tracks I have to say.

** IMPORTANT **
Sunday Drivers will be run on the 71 track.
There was a practice session earlier tonight (Thursday) with a mass disconnect.
I'm told the 71 track has the same tarmac as the 70 version - so setups & braking points will be the same.
Sorry to mess about but '71 looks the far better option.

Nicky - trust thats OK with you (& you server).

I believe the actual track layout for both the 1970 and 1971 versions of Zeltweg are exactly the same so there would be no need for new set ups or practice, other than maybe getting used to new visual reference points for braking.

As the Track is 'nice' to look at it may lead to slower framrates for some people with less powerful machines. I think on page 4 of the Zeltweg71 thread at the SRMZ, there is a link to a lite version of the track for those who may suffer with lower frame rates.

Hopefully the link to the SRMZ should work below.

http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=5256&st=36

Cheers
 ;)

Gave the 71 track a whirl last night. The graphics are very good, almost photo quality in places.
The track layout and handling is almost identical to the 70 version. In fact I found it a bit easier as there are better reference points for braking.
Unless Nicky has any issue with the server we'll definitely go with the 71 track.

server is now set up to host Zeltweg71.

server will bestart up  today at 7pm british time .

plz . let me know if all is ok  ; like loose starting grid  etc.
 :)

Fine Nicky - but start is 9.15 British time. be in IGOR for 9.05

does zeltweg 71 overright 70  or is it a seperate install ?

 :)

Completely seperate install bernie.

I should be there tonigth. :scooter:

 :( ;)
we did have some test races yesterday night  and  one of the pole setter reports the  counting of laps to him was wrong ( lap to go / one missing ) .
I did changed the track ini  then , like Clive posted to do for the other version of Zeltweg ( 1970 ) .

unfortunately , I wasnt able to do join the race , comes with those changed track.ini.
so my question :
does any know how it turns out yesterday ? problem solved ?

regards
Nicky

The number of laps count has always been problematic with this track. Probably has to do with the location of the pitboard guy in relation to the s/f line. I've seen it happen on other tracks too, i.e. Albi.

:helpsmilie:
Does anybody have a reliable setup for both cars?
Your help will be much appreciated.
Thx in advance mates

 :) my setups could be found here

http://rapidshare.com/files/336818844/setup_zeltweg_71.7z.html

Thanks to Billy for organising these two races  ;D.

It allowed the refugees from the aborted Interleague race to vent their pent up adreneline in the fun 65's.

The Cooper I was driving dragged me alongside Hristo's Bt7 off the line and compromised his line through T1. It also gave me the inside into T2 which forced H wide and onto a slower run around the outside of the bend. I missed the incident that caused Hristo, John and Bob ( ?) Whitewell to vanish half way around L1 and from then on it was a cruise to the flag. I suspect that it might have been different if they had stayed in contention, a fact which was confirmed in the second race...

Now H had the Cooper off the line and I had the BT7, but I managed to sneak into his slipstream on the run up to T1 and hold that position for the 1st lap. The tow made all the difference as I was easily able to stay with H even if I made small mistakes through some bends and drag myseolf back onto his tail on the next straight.
On a couple of occasions I managed to poke my nose alongside or past, but once out of the tow there was just not enough grunt to complete the pass.
Our squabbling allowed Bob (? or Ben?) to close up and towards the end of the race it was becoming a 3 way dice.
with 2 laps to go I got a better run than H out of the last turn and the slingshot up the inside of T1. It seems that H's computer chose this moment to go into denial and remove all evidence of any competitors from his screen. He turned in blissfullly unaware that I was fully alongside and as with things warp connected the car on the outside came off worst. At the time, I was not sure if I had been at fault ( although of course I doubted that I could have made such an error  ::) ) so, I waited for H to recover this allowed B.Whitwell ( what is your name!!??) to take the lead and H to pass me again. 3rd spot was secondary to having had a tremendous dice with H and a thoroughly "fun" race. ;D ;D ;D ;D

I think all suffered a big loss of data connection during the 8th lap of second Ams race, for me occurred at T1 while I was following John, all cars disappeared for a couple of seconds.
I'm investigating what happened to the server.

In race 2 Jethro and I had a collision at T1, I was ahead outside and J was inside. After have seen the replay I can't blame J for the crash cause he kept well inside leaving me room while I pointed toward the apex thinking he was still behind my car. Sorry to Phil that was involved in the crash and had to reset. Later we had some action with John too, great racing and great setup from Hristo.  :)

Ciao

Thanks to all those who turned up last night for the Sunday Drivers event. Numbers were obviously boosted by the cancellation of the Interleague event although I gather there was some good racing on a great circuit. (I suspect this track may be on the schedule for Sunday Drivers in Season 19).
I totally messed up my Cooper race - got carried away by two fastest sectors on the last qualification lap, overran and missed the start. I did join from the pit-lane but for some reason my lap times were not registering and after a really stupid braking manoeuvre I decided to retire.
The spec comparison between the BT7 & Cooper will be quite interesting as Hristo & I have a bet on the outcome. This may be my one & only chance of beating him!
Big thanks to Nicky and Fulvio (who stepped in at the last minute) for hosting.
Full results to be published soon but will take me a while to compile the result from 4 separate races.
... Bill

 :) :D
That was real big fun , even so I got a GPL freeze at the first race
( first one since ages , must have been caused by directX9.27 I installed before on that PC )
 ........ damned I was leading



Thanks Billy for this , I really enjoy spec races.


in case Novices_ server_ replays needed :

race 1 down http://www.easy-share.com/1909033364/zelt_novices_race 1.7z

race 2 down  http://www.easy-share.com/1909033387/zelt_novices _race 2 rpy.7z

Without slipstream the Cooper was 0.5 secs faster than the BT7 for me. It just has less understeer mid-corner and seems to grip better when you floor it.

You can find Ams replays here:

Race1 (http://www.selted.com/fulvio/ukgpl_zelt_ams1.rar)

Race2 (http://www.selted.com/fulvio/ukgpl_zelt_ams2.rar)

Ciao

The only problem with so many drivers it has taken me ages to compile the results.
For the drivers - in the Amauteurs wins for Evil Clive & Bob Whitwell. Podium finishes for Clutch, Al Hellar (isn't this bloke supposed to be a Novice?), Hristo & Evil.
Novices - Wins for Bernie & Nicky (there must be too much red meat going in the pies in Wigan). Podiums for Vosblod, Norm Hance, Bernie & Peter Maestro (well done to my Black Night Racing team mate). No win for Vlad "the Monk" Vosblod this week - I wonder if the abstention from alcohol is slipping slightly?
In the Spec Challenge have to admit that Hristo is right - the Cooper is the faster, but only in the Amateurs. The BT7 being the marginal winner in the Novices races.
I believe there is an Interleague Race on 31 January. The rest of you are welcome to join me at Hockenheim (1967) for Sunday Drivers closing race of the season. Choice of chariot is the Honda and the Lotus. Hope to be back for Season 19.
Cheers ... Bill.
RACE 1 RESULTS

Pos Driver                             Team     Nat    Laps   Race Time       Diff     
 1   bernie65 darwin               Cooper   GBR  10  19m12.970s           
 2  Vlad Vosblod                    Cooper   GBR  10  19m24.636s    11.666s
 3  N Hance65                         Brab BT7 GBR 10  19m34.544s    21.574s
 4  Ross Neilson65                  Brab BT7 GBR 10  19m55.865s    42.895s
 5  Norbert Stemmler              Cooper   DEN   10  20m01.408s    48.438s
 6  11 Billy Nobrakes              Brab BT7 GBR 10  20m06.445s    53.475s
 7  D Rock                              Brab BT7 USA  10  20m07.966s    54.996s
 8  Fabio 65 Locarno      Cooper   ITA     10  20m09.094s    56.124s
 9   nigel smith65                      Cooper   GBR   10  20m19.223s  1m06.253s
10  Peter Maestro57-65            Cooper   GBR   10  20m21.498s  1m08.528s
11  Martin Hunt                        Brab BT7 GBR  6  11m53.007s   4 lap(s)
12   Nicky Ickx65                   Brab BT7 RSA   3   5m47.830s   7 lap(s)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                               Time Lap
 1  Ross Neilson65                    1m53.313s   
 2  bernie65 darwin                   1m53.879s   
 3  Nicky Ickx65                     1m54.044s   
 4  Peter Maestro57-65              1m54.045s   
 5  N Hance65                         1m54.449s   
 6  D Rock                               1m54.512s 
 7  Vlad Vosblod                   1m54.644s   
 8  Martin Hunt                          1m54.884s   
 9  Fabio 65 Locarno               1m54.902s 
10  Billy Nobrakes                  1m55.558s   
11  Norbert Stemmler                1m56.071s   
12  nigel smith65                       1m57.616s   

RACE 2 RESULTS

Pos Driver                             Team     Nat    Laps   Race Time   Diff   
 1   Nicky Ickx65                   Cooper   RSA   10  19m05.294s           
 2   bernie65 darwin               Brab BT7 GBR 10  19m10.072s    04.778s
 3  Peter Maestro57-65           Brab BT7 GBR  9  17m31.849s   1 lap(s)
 4  D Rock                             Cooper   USA    9  17m33.100s   1 lap(s)
 5  Vlad Vosblod                    Brab BT7 GBR  9  17m41.278s   1 lap(s)
 6  nigel smith65                     Brab BT7 GBR  9  17m51.982s   1 lap(s)
 7  N Hance65                         Cooper   GBR    9  17m52.372s   1 lap(s)
 8  Martin Hunt                       Cooper   GBR    9  17m55.923s   1 lap(s)
 9  Norbert Stemmler               Brab BT7 DEN  9  18m02.539s   1 lap(s)
10  Ross Neilson65                Cooper   GBR    9  18m40.131s   1 lap(s)
11  Fabio 65 Locarno              Brab BT7 ITA    0   0m00.000s  10 lap(s)
12  Billy Nobrakes                   Cooper   GBR    0 DidNotStart  10 lap(s)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                                 Time Lap
 1  D Rock                               1m52.639s   
 2  bernie65 darwin                 1m53.176s   
 3  Ross Neilson65                  1m53.522s   
 4  Nicky Ickx65                     1m53.605s   
 5  N Hance65                         1m53.990s   
 6  Vlad Vosblod                     1m54.259s   
 7  Peter Maestro57-65            1m54.511s   
 8  Martin Hunt                       1m54.988s   
 9  Norbert Stemmler               1m55.876s   
10  nigel smith65                     1m56.077s   
11  Billy Nobrakes                      No time
12  Fabio 65 Locarno                    No time


RACE  3 RESULTS

Pos Driver                Team     Nat    Laps   Race Time   Diff   
 1  65 evilclive            Cooper   GBR     10  18m53.866s           
 2  C Clutch65              Brab BT7 GBR   10  19m12.823s    18.957s
 3  Al Heller65                   Brab BT7 GBR   10  19m23.427s    29.561s
 4   Steve Bird65                  Brab BT7 GBR   10  19m23.973s    30.107s
 5   john roberts 65    Cooper   GBR     10  19m26.736s    32.870s
 6   Bob Whitwell                   Cooper   GBR     10  19m29.231s    35.365s
 7  Phil Thornton65    Brab BT7 GBR   10  19m30.428s    36.562s
 8  Hristo Itchov65    Brab BT7 GBR   10  19m30.920s    37.054s
 9  Fulvio Policardi65           Cooper   ITA      10  19m41.031s    47.165s
10  Jethro Walters65     Brab BT7 GBR   10  19m45.949s    52.083s

RACE FASTEST LAPS
Pos Driver                           Time Lap
 1  Hristo Itchov65                 1m51.353s   
 2  65 evilclive                      1m52.231s   
 3  Bob Whitwell                    1m52.303s   
 4  john roberts 65                 1m52.651s   
 5  C Clutch65                       1m53.390s   
 6  Jethro Walters65               1m53.752s   
 7  Phil Thornton65                 1m53.767s 
 8  Steve Bird65                      1m53.791s   
 9  Fulvio Policardi_65            1m53.978s   
10  Al Heller65                       1m54.067s   

RACE 4 RESULTS

Pos Driver                     Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff   
 1  Bob Whitwell           Brab BT7 GBR   10  18m55.436s           
 2  Hristo Itchov65        Cooper   GBR   10  19m03.789s    08.353s
 3  evilclive                    Brab BT7 GBR   10  19m04.221s    08.785s
 4  Steve Bird65            Cooper   GBR      10  19m08.197s    12.761s
 5  Fulvio Policardi_65  Brab BT7 ITA      10  19m12.268s    16.832s
 6  john roberts 65          Brab BT7 GBR      10  19m13.364s    17.928s
 7   Jethro Walters65      Cooper   GBR      10  19m19.390s    23.954s
 8  Al Heller65               Cooper   GBR      10  19m36.757s    41.321s
 9  C Clutch65               Cooper   GBR      10  19m37.094s    41.658s
10  Phil Thornton65       Cooper   GBR      10  19m46.622s    51.186s



RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                                    Time Lap
 1  65 evilclive                            1m51.419s 
 2  Hristo Itchov65                      1m51.640s 
 3  Bob Whitwell                         1m52.390s   
 4  Fulvio Policardi_65                  1m52.651s   
 5  Al Heller65                             1m52.859s   
 6  Phil Thornton65                      1m52.979s   
 7  C Clutch65                              1m53.017s   
 8  john roberts 65                      1m53.028s 
 9  Steve Bird65                            1m53.398s   
10  Jethro Walters65                     1m53.426s   

SPEC CHALLENGE
Driver   BT7   Cooper   Diff
Hristo Itchov   111.353   111.64   -0.287
Evil Clive                111.419   112.231   -0.812
Bob Whitwell   112.39   112.303   0.087
John Roberts   113.028   112.651   0.377
C Clutch                113.39   113.017   0.373
Jethro Walters   113.752   113.426   0.326
Phil Thornton   113.767   112.979   0.788
Steve Bird   113.791   113.398   0.393
Fulvio Policardi   112.651   113.978   -1.327
Al Hellar                114.067   112.859   1.208
AMATEURS   1129.608   1128.482   1.126
Bernie Darwin   113.176   113.879   -0.703
Ross Neilson   113.313   113.522   -0.209
Peter Maestro   114.511   114.045   0.466
Norm Hance   114.449   113.99   0.459
D Rock                114.512   112.639   1.873
Vlad Vosblod   114.259   114.644   -0.385
Martin Hunt    114.884   114.988   -0.104
Norbert Stemmler   115.876   116.071   -0.195
Nigel Smith    116.077   117.616   -1.539
NOVICES                1031.057   1031.394   -0.337
AGGREGATE         0.789

Another enjoyable event and a second place to boot, would probably have been third if not for Nicky's screen freeze. Pleased with a recovery drive to make 5th in the second race after a first lap how's yer father.
Looking forward to the next one.

Great work Bill, very pleasing to see yet another format that is proving very popular.  We will have to put it to the vote at the end of the season but with this level of interest it might be worth running a formal division next season.  We have 2 race nights (Sundays and Tuesdays) so we can comfortably run 4 divisions (pending availability of moderators) plus the joint Gold Cup with GBGPL.  The Inter Leagues have been a bit disappointing this season so if we decided to drop them it would leave a Sunday night slot available.

big suprise finding the coop on pole and even bigger suprise to win , have to say my previous experience on this track , albeit in 67 cars and the 70's version , was a huge bonus .

Sorry Nicky disapeared from race 1 , we were pretty close matched in both races , though my BT7 didnt quite have the steam to get by Nicky's Coop in race 2,  the finish would have been a lot closer, but for my last lap banzi effort in the rindt curve going "tits up" 

perhaps had just one pie too many , its tricky getting the balance right  ;D

I'd love to lay claim to alien pace Bill but my podium in race 1 owed rather more to the fact that 7 people ahead of me spun... only managed 10th fastest lap (out of 10 runners :P) Very enjoyable nonetheless & had some good scraps with Phil & Steve. Got a fantastic tow from Clutch in race 2 to set a new PB but without that I think my times in the Coop & BT7 would have been pretty similar. Lovely track though - would welcome it on the calendar for season 19.