UKGTR Season 14 Formula 1 1988 - Imola - May 24

[H@L9000]

Great race.

That was excellent fun. I made a mistake early on putting my self in the gravel and down the grid. I managed to claw my way back up the field and had some excellent fights along the way with Jamera, SRW, Spanner, TT and a few others.

I did have a slight incident with Jamera early on, sorry mate, missed my brake zone just slightly . No damage for me me and I hope that was the same for you as well. Slight incident with TT as well but, again no damage done and I was still well clear of the car behind so it did not affect my race really.

See you all at.... Monaco!

[Manteos]

Results and replay in the usual places

Would VDA Stalro make himself known so I can add his name to the results please.

Forum nickname for VDA Staltro is: "(VDA) MinholoS"

It was a really nice race til I spun for the third time, and my engine stalled into the "Acque Minerali"... So I had to give up... These are the contingencies of the manual clutch.
Thanks to TrueTom for the battle during the first laps, it was really interesting and very clean. Great drive mate .

I have to do an honour mention for Legzy, that pushed Daniele til the finish line Thank you Sir

Cu for the next race in Monaco! Or maybe with the SGT 500... who knows

[APEXTECHUSA]

wow what a race, takes some serious concentration to do a race in these cars

a great fight with apextech, we seemed about even on pace (well my pace was mainly down to having the fastest car of the 88' season and manteos setup), just down to who made the least mistakes!

yea i had a good battle with u2 i did better than i expected thanks i had fun on my 1st go in them!!!!!!!!!! p.s i guess everyone had hard tires on silly me no testing

[goldtop]

Pole... yeah!
False start on warm up lap = DQ - Boo / Muppet / Embarrassed!

Ok, pls give me a slow car! I can't cope with being at the front! lol

Bad luck Blunder. Give the March a try if you like, it feels similar to the fezza but it's slower.

A nervous kind of race for me. I was suffering from double upshifts which were occuring once or twice a lap for most of the race and had the very fast Lelero close to me for much of the time. Made a couple of small errors through Acque Minerale when I was under pressure, but managed to keep it pointing forwards......until the last lap Tyres were going off and I almost blew the race when I spun it coming onto the s/f straight and had Lelero right on me again. Didn't realise he'd run out of fuel until I saw Legzy pushing him on my in lap    

Good to see more faces on the grid and hope those who had to miss tonight can make Monaco next week.

A quick reminder please to make clear your car choices for this series here.......

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9337.0

[Busi]

Well good fun at the beginning but then the frustration was too much to keep going. Firstly because I was once behind somebody in a blue car (can't remember who) and I could notice that I kept losing 2 full seconds to him in the main straight only (from last chicane to Tosa). And I didn't have very high wings, I think I was on 28-25 which should be ok for suck track?

Apart from feeling useless in that car against others next to me, the bumps (or the bumpy behaviour of the car) was horrible and as soon as I had a spin it was a non-stop series of mistakes. That made me retire cause I was also lapping alone.

Should be back for the last 2 races if the track is not so bumpy!

Good luck for Monaco I think I'll do some practice there, even if I know I won't race!

[lazlow]

Well good fun at the beginning but then the frustration was too much to keep going. Firstly because I was once behind somebody in a blue car (can't remember who) and I could notice that I kept losing 2 full seconds to him in the main straight only (from last chicane to Tosa). And I didn't have very high wings, I think I was on 28-25 which should be ok for suck track?

Apart from feeling useless in that car against others next to me, the bumps (or the bumpy behaviour of the car) was horrible and as soon as I had a spin it was a non-stop series of mistakes. That made me retire cause I was also lapping alone.

I totally agree.

I need to have a word with my manager to get him to find me a quicker team to race in the Minardi team just arent putting the development time in.

[Truetom]

Rant: I absolutely HATE these tracks where the skidmarks invert with the next session. After scoring a good laptime with race setup in practice I was suddenly almost TWO seconds slower with quali setup in Q2. And I couldn't get any quicker as all my braking points were on the ground, connected to skidmarks. What, do I look at the trees to see when to brake? Rant over. Maybe.

So I started from the middle of the pack, nothing wrong with that, usually it means an interested, dynamic race rather than boring hotlapping. I did have some close racing with Manteos, Lazlow and H@l towards the end. I would normally enjoy it, but I find it not so hot with this mod. Why? Again, narrow track, rapid movement of the car, fear of contact and ruining someone els' (how do you spell this, elses?) race. Why did I quit iR again? I found it hard to stay on my side of the track even on a main straight, comming to the up-right hander, I just can't feel secure enough to really race anyone and force anyone to yield at corner entrance. Must think on this some more and decide if I want to remain more in the GT class of racing.

Another thing, probably not just the Arrows: when I moved from stationary to slowly gain speed the thing just turns on it's own. That pisses (sorry) me right off and it was the reason I quit. Hope I calm down in one week, or else.    

[Manteos]

Well good fun at the beginning but then the frustration was too much to keep going. Firstly because I was once behind somebody in a blue car (can't remember who) and I could notice that I kept losing 2 full seconds to him in the main straight only (from last chicane to Tosa). And I didn't have very high wings, I think I was on 28-25 which should be ok for suck track?

I was with the Coloni, and the engine is the same of Minardi (Cosworth DFZ). If you drove it with a 28/25 wing, you would'n probably have the chance to reach the 280 km/h, that means at least 30 km/h difference with a Top Car with your same wings (admitting that a top Team driver used such high wings on this track, so probably the difference was even worse without trail).
With a car like Coloni, Zakspeed or Minardi you have to use very low wings to reach a good speed on the straight without a trail. Me and Daniele were using both the same wings (5 Front and 4 rear during this race), and we lenghten the 6 to exploit the other cars trail.
So when we were in a faster car trail, our cars were capable to do 308/310 km/h. Without a trail, it depends on how fast you exit from the last chicane before the finish line, but our cars are not able to reach 300 km/h (296 for me and 298 for Daniele).
In the previous page, there is Daniele's setup for the Coloni (http://www.humyo.com/FCrSYMC/colonif1%202.svm?a=XBvnVFjC3kMdownload it and give it a try ). I guess it should be good even for your Minardi. In that setup, you will find different wings, just slightly higher (8/8 or 8/9 if I remember well). Make an attempt trying to go out from the last chicane exploiting all the track, and you will see a great difference in terms of high speed (279/280 km/h vs 296/298km/h).
The only way to compete in a circuit like this, was using the lower wing possible. In a circuit like Monaco, I guess it would be better to have higher wings indeed (I just discovered the hot water   ).
In Monaco the engine power will be less important than in Imola, and your driving skill will be rewarded. So, make an attempt before, and then you'll decide what to do

Cu

[lazlow]

@Manteos - I found that if I ran low wing on the Minardi I was getting very high tyre wear. Is this what you were finding?

[lazlow]

Race Analysis Report

[goldtop]

Yes this Imola config is a low downforce track....that was the way in RL too. I had to run low wing or I'd have been a sitting duck on the straight. As it was, I compromised slightly with a 16/15 setup and was always getting closed down by Lele on the run up to Tosa. I was still having to catch it every time through Rivazza and most times exiting the final chicane onto the s/f straight.

As regards the bumpy track TT I presume you mean under braking into slower turns? If so that has to be either a setup thing or a braking technique. I never brake hard and late anyway and find that for me it is the best way with these cars. The only time I suffer from the bumps is when I get my braking wrong and the car wants to go straight on instead of the way the front wheels are pointing.

There are some of my setups here if anyone would like to try them....

http://www.humyo.com/FHWPvLQ/F1%2088%20setups/?a=_gF-HMTfc18

[lazlow]

Thanks GT, could be very useful.

[Truetom]

No GT, didn't have any problems with bumps, I was only scared I'll punch anyone off track as these cars move so quickly I don't feel I have it under control.

[spanner]

Similiarity to iR! lol thought that as well last night. Dont mind trying to run on my own but put anyone near me and i'll end up falling off.

[Manteos]

@Manteos - I found that if I ran low wing on the Minardi I was getting very high tyre wear. Is this what you were finding?

That's probably the negative side about going with lower wings... but the benefit is the chance to make some overtakes and don't be overclassed at the first straight. On the XD motec I was on a 1.1/1.2 tyre wear per lap(soft tyres). Daniele at the end of the race had a tyre wear of 33.5 with soft tyres, so maybe with higher wings you'll be able to safe a bit your tyres, but on the other side you don't have any chance to fight on the straight. Then it's up to you to choose what you believe it's the best option... "To fight, or not to fight, that is the question"  

In the last 6-8 laps you have to pay more attention, cause it's very easy to make some mistake... but everyone will be in quite similar conditions, so... even Goldtop had to turn with an higher pace during the last laps, that's normal.