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Season 38 – 1955 Grand Prix – Round 4 – Privateers - Monsanto Park

This race announcement is for the PRIVATEERS.

The fourth race in the 1955 Grand Prix series finds us in Portugal. The street circuit of Monsanto Park to be precise. Built on parkland, the circuit was considered difficult to drive because it crossed so many different types of surfaces, including tramlines at one point. The track hosted numerous races from 1954 to 1959, but only one race qualified as a Formula One event: the 1959 Portuguese Grand Prix, won by Stirling Moss. He won the race in the twilight hours, since the race was purposefully started late in the day to avoid the intense late summer sun.

Race list	=	iGOR
Server	=	UKGPL04_60fps
IP address Server	=	86.6.125.152:32766
Password	=	see above (#post_event_password)
GPL Mod	=	55
60fps Patch	=	60fpsV2newmod
Track download	=	link (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2717)
Track directory	=	monsanto
Qualifying starts	=	20:45 UK time - 45 minutes
Race starts	=	~ 21:30 UK time
Race length	=	21 laps
Replay	=	here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m4oxRtAuZqTMiAZaDtIGk9JlT8Pbk46A/view?usp=sharing)

Please restrict chat to emergency messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Driver lists and division specific rules can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1272&theme=6).

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver	Tokens	Status
Albert Hallu	20	Privateer
bernie	40	Privateer
covisi2016	40	Privateer
dave curtis	28	Privateer
francesco	20	Privateer
Giovanni Centorame	20	Privateer
leomenegucci	18	Privateer
maddog	18	Privateer
PaulV	30	Privateer
philippe GIRARD	14	Privateer
Rainier	20	Privateer
Ricardo Valim da Silva	15	Privateer

another ruined race.

Im getting a little fed up of people treating the first lap or two like a Kamikazi attack.   Im not one to complain usually, but this is becoming a bloody nuisance.

its not as if Im a problem as Im usually at the back anyway. Im hardly likely to win. But would at least like a few laps to enjoy GPL

Paul V.

Im not going to say too much because Im bloody Pi**ed off.

Paul , I know exactly how you feel , I got as far as Lap3 this time before being attacked by a stupid overtake attempt which ended my race AGAIN  :( 

Not happy  >:( >:( >:(

Get the reports in boys. 

It's my first race ever in a league and really i didn't expect to win, fantastic race and only 3 at the end ! I Started in pole, Hunt's Lancia overtook me on first lap but spun after few corners, so i took the lead but then Leo overtook me on the straight. Beautiful race with Leo, 10 laps 1 sec behind him with his Vanwall impossible to catch on the straight, side by side at first corner without touching each other ,no dangerous manouvers or blocking from Leo; all i could do was wait for an error. It was dissapointing when i saw him spun adn retire. I took the lead with 25 sec of advantage from Ricardo silva, and then was a carnage, only 3 cars at the finish line, don't know if because connection problems or errors...Thak you all guys, can't wait for next race in tripoli.

Submit incident reports gents and the mod team will have a look.

Thank you for your patience Paul, I know how frustrating it is not to finish the race but you are quite right to give yourself time to compose yourself and to resist the temptation to vent your anger on the forums. Rest assured any incident report will be properly assessed.

Sorry all, but its not worth the practice or the time.

I have just deregistered from the 55s, the GTs and the 67s.

I would also stop running the Can Am cars if they were a current series. Just too much trouble at most races.

I love GPL and UKGL,  but I don't really drive the cars at high enough levels to be competitive so there really isn't any point.
 
I intend to carry on in the Open Wheel series for now and the 65s where the racing is close and fun. The cars being able to be driven closely and within all the driver's capabilities.

I shall be back next season when I've practiced enough to be more than a consistent back marker.

Cheers Paul.

Congratulations Giovanni. I was impressed with your driving when you were on the practice server yesterday, for someone who has not raced in a league before your awareness of the cars around you was excellent. That is the key to racing fairly on-line. Knowing where the other drivers are and not taking unnecessary risks is paramount.

I have no doubt you will progress to the Works very soon. Enjoy the victory, you have a 100% record.

Sorry Phil... but typed my reply before your message, but do feel as I have said. I Should have sent it quicker.. lol.

It seems a shame that these problems can only be resolved after the event and by the moderators.

Although you guys do a brilliant job, it's not fair on you.

So many of these issues could be avoided. We all know a race can't be won on the first lap.

We can't even get any championship points without do 50% of the race.

We don't need moderation after the event we need to think about how we race online before we even join the server.

Sorry to hear that Paul, but focussing on the MixedOW and 65s might be a good idea. The 55s, GTs and 67 are all tough cars which all require different driving techniques. Not an easy combination when you are trying to improve your technique.

Practice does help but it is also important to understand what other drivers do differently. After several years of stagnation I've managed to make some big improvements recently which is down to understanding why other drivers were faster than me. Hopefully you can do the same. I'll try to summarise what I have done and send you a PM.

Thanks Phil.  Would be extremely interesting.  Look forward to your PM.

I would be interested too by this PM  :)  !!

I would be very sad if Paul leave these series, I am always confident when I am followed by him during the race. There are not so many drivers like him.

I had a look to the replay of his accident at Monsanto...
Maybe we should add new rules and penalties about drivers reversing back on the track after a spin, without taking care of others.   


I also read some comments on Monsanto Works topic, and driver(s) writing they will leave this series...

I think that is covered by the "Bad Rejoin" rules.

I know you don't like me, but it seems excessive to create rules for me. Remember that you made a bad rejoin towards me too, but you didn't ask for special rules.

P. S:if possible i wolud like to receive the PM of Phil.

Please stop with your personal accusation.
It becomes ridiculous.
From my side, there is nothing personal.

I was undirectly victim of the same kind of accident in Monza 67 (that was not with you !!!) and I reported an incident with a type "bad rejoin"
The answer was "Wasn't a rejoin given the strict interpretation of the definition (didn't have 3 or 4 wheels off the track so may need to revise this definition?)" 

I agreed with this answer and that was the only reason I wrote we need specific rules for reversing back.

I have nothing against one particular driver or anyone else.

Paul , I sincerely hope you think again about de register 55s , as a fully paid up member of the "back markers club" I for one will miss you on the track .

PLEASE ! Re consider  :ninja:

Sad to see unhappy drivers - it is more fun to finish the race.  Most Online racers are good enough to race well enough.  Two things I can suggest, 'speaking' as a long time racer at Ukgpl.  

1/  Look at this discussion currently under way :  https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=24341.0
I think a couple of Monsanto rear-enders were caused by a bad FOV being used.  An unrealistic view makes close racing more difficult.

2/  When new Online, I took every opportunity to jump Online for a friendly casual practice/race.  Very few here do this.  Someone with similar speed, who is happy to bump wheels, and learn how to crash and not crash with, was very helpful to me.  We need friendly folks for this. Perhaps we should all go take a crash coarse! :angel:

Sorry Rainier but if you write:
seems addressed to me and not to a widespread problem.
About the incident with Paul:after the first manoeuvre to return on the track,i I waited for two cars to pass(Martin and Girad) in a bad postion.
("without taking care of others"is not totally true).
After this I judged the rest feasible by trying to get to the left but was not so.From the replay are not visible possible yellow flags.
I undestand the confusion of Paul;right or left?Infortunately,also for me,he decide left but there was space on the right to go.
What I don't understand is his reaction,accidents happen all the time, both in real and virtual races.
I would understand if it had been an accident like the one due to the heat of the race.
In conclusion i suggest to Paul to remain in the 55.

Yes you are right
 just read here: https://driver61.com/sim-racing/iracing-fov/

Now starting of-topic, Cookie.  To do what the 2nd photo there shows, you would need a different rasterizer, to cut down the edges of the view.  Then only the centre would show, and fill the screen.  That is the flat 2D way it could be done.  A widescreen rasterizer does not cut the width, but cuts the height, and FOV is unchanged.

When you suggest a strange FOV is good, you may help accidents to happen.

That's what I say, but you don't give us an example for your theory, wich sim uses your fixed fov?

Hi Fran, I can assure you that the moderators treat everyone fairly and this is not addressed to you in particular. I reversed on track in the 67F1 Privateers race on Sunday. It was an incident that affected David so I suggest his comment was addressed at this situation in general. Whilst a bad rejoin is covered quite comprehensively by the existing rules, it doesn't cover all cases.

Where a car has 3 or 4 wheels off the track, the penalty guidelines (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/bad_rejoin) are quite clear, in that it is the responsibility of the rejoining driver not to get in the way.

However, the situation is more complicated when the cars have not left the track (the penalty guidelines (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/bad_rejoin) also class this as a rejoin). There is a penalty guideline (lack of care approaching an incident (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/lack_of_care)) that places some of the responsibility back on the rest of the field. So in this case the onus is not totally with the rejoining driver.

Typical situations would be "El Ángulo de Miramar" at Montjuich or "Virage de la Gare" at Monaco. Multi-car pile-ups are quite common at these corners. How the drivers are supposed to behave in these situations is less clear and I believe this is the area that David has identified. Quite often drivers have to reverse on-track to manoeuvre their car in order to be able to point it in the right direction.

The question is, what is reasonable and what isn't? We will have to think carefully about the moderation reports for these incidents.

The fixed Field of View Sim I know of, is GPL.  It was a simple change to make, when GEM+ added this, but Papy did not want it.  

Are these newer Sim makers suggesting you try any FOV, or aftermarket addon makers who do this?  :o :laugh:

A quiet practice, with cars mostly parked at roadside to watch the action, or so it seemed.  Bumped down to 3rd despite having the superior Lancia, so bumped The gears down a notch, and engaged a win or bust mentality.  It worked!

First after only two straights without any bending.  Race strategy was to make an early break, and coast to the win.  After some good battles with cars and track, it became a late break from the propulsion unit. and coast to the startline to pickup a place, from a similar late breaker.  It was all fun while it lasted!  :'(

Just read what I post...

IRacing is by David Kaemmer the maker of GPL, he implemented the variable FOV in all his Sims ;D

Even Lee Bowden refines the possibility to customize FOV and POV in GPL

PS
Yes, I remember looking incredulous when I learned that people, good drivers were using an FOV of 60. :o

But I'm a curious person and I question everything, so I found out that this is a right step for me and it made me faster and safer.

END of discussion.

DK did not add a variable FOV to our Sim.  I think there was pressure to add it to newer Sims as a misconceived bonus, to help sell newer Sims, which are always said to be better than before. 

At 60, you are racing as if using mild binocular lenses.  You cannot see the mirrors, and so use Pribluda, which can make accidents happen, when not looking ahead.  I can often tell in a replay, which have a good FOV, and which do not stay close.  Of coarse, the choice is yours to make, but much information is misleading.

Moving your viewpoint is safe, as FOV is unchanged.  Not realistic and further from the action, but without the extra danger bad information can bring.  We need safe Online racing. 8)

From the FOV subject, I've an excuse to suggest some great video made at GPLlaps.  Close racing with a new Tasman Mod nearing completion : https://youtu.be/EyyZ6OYHzAs

I've loaded the chassis the drivers used into the token calculator spreadsheet.  For the next race the available tokens will be as declared in the table below (the table will also appear in the next race announcement).  The calculated values are automated but selecting the cars is a manual process so please check your tokens to make sure I haven't made a silly error.

Driver	Tokens	Status
Albert Hallu	20	Privateer
bernie	38	Privateer
covisi2016	38	Privateer
dave curtis	28	Privateer
francesco	18	Privateer
Giovanni Centorame	25	Privateer
leomenegucci	18	Privateer
maddog	13	Privateer
PaulV	28	Privateer
philippe GIRARD	12	Privateer
Rainier	20	Privateer
Ricardo Valim da Silva	20	Privateer

Moderation published.