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Practice: 19:20 BST
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:45 ~ (28 laps)
Cars allowed: Ford Escort-TC (any), Porche 911-2.5, Alfa Giulia (any), Renault Alpine A110 1300.
Track: Keimola  Download and install this (http://www.matt-rowe.co.uk/comp/PGfiles/SRou_GTR2_Keimola_1.1.0.0.exe)
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Still on holidays for this one.

http://skagen.dk/ (http://skagen.dk/)

 ;D

Good grief, Are you having the year off Kurt?  :o

no - "only" four weeks, but the first real holiday trip since 2006  :)

NOTE: Track version changed to 1.1.0.0 please re-download if you already have the 1.0.0.0

Thanks.

Where the heck is Keimola?  ???  Dont think ive ever raced there, nor heard of it!

Sweden.

Bit mickey mouse in my humble opinion.   ::)

Wouldn't that be Mikey Moose?

Are you sure you're not ready to join team oldie, your memory suggests otherwise.... See below from the last time we raced here lol:

Though in fairness, you didn't actually do the race in the end.

Here's a very quick GTR2 / F1 lap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4AamcIXe4

Keimola is located in the country that fostered Raikonen and a long line of brilliant rally drivers.

Stig

Well I was close.   ::)

good lord Legz, I forget what I did last week so no way i'd remember a track selection from 3 years ago!  :-[  funny that I posted almost exactly the same thing the first time around though  ;D

Is PnG nowadays more GTR or more GTL?

I'd say the 70's cars are more GTR, whilst the 60's cars are more GTL (but far better in both cases)  :)

I'd say the 70s cars want sending back to GTR!

And how many of todays GTL mods have you first hand experience of?

Suggest you keep your opinions to yourself unless you can back them up with some relevance and not some dated, hard wired, reflex.

Do gun and missiles come with the mod?  ::)

The "Chrome Horn" is included. But it will be hard to make friends if you use it.

Ofcourse but selfguided missiles (pretty rudimentary) are reserved only for IMSA BMW ...  :laugh:

Joke aside this is the only thing (game, mod for whatever platform) where 911 is so close to real 911 ... not speaking about new watercooled with tone of electronics (99% for correcting driving errors) causing to real car starts to look like pc game.

btw - bok sused

But he did do this one!!!!
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9331#event2732

Yes well done detective geoffers  :P as soon as I fired it up this eve I recognised it  :)

Feels great in the lovely ST  8) looking forward to battling the Alfas and escorts.

Where do I get this mod then, anything special installing?

It's here Tom. 
http://www.gtlw.co.uk/

Just follow the instructions and when you first start it, AFTER creating your profile, hit the green button on the launcher to patch the FF.

The launcher may throw up a couple of errors on the way in but just OK them and carry on.

Are they really that bad?!

Not that bad but not accurate. In P&G, term "to drive Porsche properly" really have sense.

LOL

I meant, are Porsches really that awful in real life?   ;D

Despite how they drive in GTL/PnG/GTR2... I can't believe they're that bad & so still want to drive/own one when I'm older (Just nobody tell MJ :-X)

To continue on the Porsche theme, I've just done a few practice laps and the Porsche seems to be the fastest car by a country mile - nearly a second up on the big Alfa which seems to eat its rear tyres within two laps so I don't really want to take that for the race.

Or is it just my style? I seem to like the Porsches most of the time.

Edited to add: in Germany, people used to say that an average Porsche driver would have his front tyres worn before the rears, a moderately good one would have more wear on the rears, and a really good one would wear all fours equally. Based on the learning curve with the P&G Porsches, this seems accurate - first you think they understeer, then you learn about lift-off oversteer, and finally you manage to fine-tune it and get into a four-wheel drift (sometimes ...).

I'm only a second quicker in the Porsche than the TC, and a second quicker in that than the Alfa. I haven't got much of a setup for the Porsche though.

Oh well that will make a refreshing change ::)

Good to hear that the pork is strong here as this is not always the case. Surely some of those Escorts will be quick down the straights, so should keep it interesting in race.

Hehe, good boy, you know it makes sense  ;D  I think the ST handling is fantastic in p&g3, feels pretty spot on to me. Maybe the lift off oversteer is a little exaggerated, but otherwise pretty cool.

Can't believe some of you have the audacity to moan about the 911 having some pace here when you happily jump in everything quicker than it, when car selection allows!  ::)

Main mistake is to drive Porsche like any other rwd car.

Also it is mistake to try with setup to "cure" understeer - that way you get nervous and unbalanced car. The real cure lays under your right foot - don`t turn steering wheel more (that way you create preconditions for snap oversteer), just lift off for the moment and allow rear to step off, than hit full throttle (full throttle = cure for oversteer in fast corners) ...

Drive it that way and you will understand why elfer (911) is really joy machine.

For me it's Porsche over Alfa 2000 over Alfa 1750 over Escort - I seem to be doing something wrong in the Ford then. And all my times will be about 2 seconds behind yours anyway ...

It's a comment not a moan.

It's just a bit of a downer when the car that one can't drive is the fastest.

My 911 is 0.5 better than my Escort which is a couple of seconds quicker than my Alfa.

That means that the front of the grid will be a couple of seconds away from me.

Trouble is that Matt's prowess with the 911 is about the same as mine so it's usually be kind to pork time!   :P

OK you're all saying which car is fastest, but what times should I be aiming for?

I've done a 1:29 in an Alpha so far, how much more time do I need to find?

With 911 (race fuel and med tires) high 26`s - fastest 1:26,3 so far but 25`s is possible ...

1:25.0 in the Porsche
1:26.0 in the #2 Escort
1:27.0 in the '72 Alfa

I haven't tried the Alfa with tyres that will last the distance though, the ones I tried will be on the rims before too many laps.

1.26s in both the Porsche & the Alfa GTA-SA. Alfa GTA-SA is faster than the Porsche on the straights but doesn't corner as well.

Looks like I'm a bit off pace here then:

Low 1:28 in Escort
High 1:28 in Alpha 2L
High 1:29 in Alpha (smaller engine better tyres)
High 1:29 in Alpine

Obviously I wont be taking the cheating Porka (1-2 secs quicker than everything else for everyone except Geoffers), may go with the small Alpha or Alpine in the spirit of trying something else.

Dam Pork. For tme the pork was not the fastest, as Clive says, my pork times are not the same as
others. I tried the Escort RS1600s but they were much too fast for the Alfas.

The Escort TC is very slow for me, and I struggle to understand why. Someone mentioned further back in the thread that the Escorts will be quick in a straight line. I guess you must be driving a different Escort to me then, because the TC is very slow in a straight line for me. Sometimes I wonder if something has happened to one or two cars during installation, because I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to drive the Escort at a reasonable pace. I don't expect to be the quickest in it, but the difference in pace compared to other guys that I have seen drive it is just ridiculous....

There are 8 valve ones and 16v ones. The 16v ones are quite a bit faster here.
Perhaps you were trying one of the 8v ones?

And i thought you were the PnG expert Mog..?! At least 4 variations in spec amongst the Escort twin cam group, and consequently big differences in laptime. Even amongst the 3 fastest FVA (16v) engined cars which appear to have identical spec in the showroom page, i seem to get significantly quicker times in the 2 blue/grey cars compared to the gold/red car.

Academic to me though whenever the Alpine is included as i can never resist it's charms.. So stick with one of the slower 8v twin cams and i'll see you at the back of the grid.

FYI my original basic, no fancy setups test times:

Alfa 2.0 '72 - 1:29.4
TC 16v       - 1:29.5
Alfa 2.0 '71 - 1:30.2
A110 1300  - 1:30.9
911 2.5      - 1:31.2

I always take at least 1 sec more like 2 secs off any of my Pork times as I am relatively slower in them
So I would expect the 911 in the right hands to be a couple of tenths faster than the others.

Only done a handful of laps but i was on 1:27's with 40mins race fuel in the 911, so would expect to creep into the 26's at least.
Dont forget also, even if the 911 has some decent pace here, its also less forgiving for a spin in action and takes a different driving style to master. I dont remember it having any advantage compared to the rest of the cars at Mallory Park or Charade.

Bit surprised some are reporting slower Alfa times tbh, it normally flys along nicely, as does the escort!

The blue/grey cars have a different tire than the gold/red car.

Ah ok, thanks Walter.

I know full well that there are different spec Escorts in the TC group, but I am relatively slow (compared to others) in all of them! For the record, I haven't tested anything at this track yet. I am just referring to past experience. Maybe I just need to make a decision to drive one whenever I can, and work it out.....no matter how long it takes?

Hello guys hope its the right thread for my post. My name is Rolf "Magic43" Just and im from Germany. I've read the announcement of your league on the RaceConnect website and i would like join the GPL and Pn&G series if its possible of course  ;) Normally i run rfactor at Race 2 Play but i love the old days of Glory so much. There is not many GTL leagues so i was glad to see that RC hosts your series. I would say im a clean driver, not the fastest but constantly. My goal is to finish the race, dont do any stupid move and dont ruin anyones race. The victory isnt the most important for me. Its the fun. My biggest problem is that i dont have any ideas to build setups. I've a good computer and internet (DSL 50000). Ok let me know what you think about my application. If you have still any questions please feel free to ask.

Cheers
Rolf aka Magic43

Rolf

New members who are clean drivers are always welcome  :thumbup1:

Just join the races when you want to.

Hope to see you on track tommorow.

We run some GTL series as well as P&G and GPL

Thx a lot  :)

Welcome Rolf, always good to have new drivers   :)

Welcome Rolf. :thumbup2:

I'm slow in the Escorts as well. Also, there seems to be a big difference between the Alfas here, with the 2L car wanting to be driven like a big, heavy car. Still uncertain about car choice - I really like the Porsche best at this track, but unless some fast drivers will take it, I'll use the smaller Alfa probably.

Welcome, Rolf!

Thx all  :)

Nice race, nice turnout :- )) Hit one of those devilish metal-things sticking out from the ground  :-[

Stig

What a shame. My lack of experience and practice in the Escort TC resulted in me making the mistake of selecting a gear ratio that was too low. I was using the 7/33 gears, and it was maxing out the revs before the end of the long straight. I have to be honest here and say that I completely forgot that there was a danger of blowing the engine. In fact, that is the first engine that has exploded on me in over five years of online racing!

On the positive side, I was quite pleased with my progress in the Escort TC. I have been really slow in this car in the past, but I actually felt like I had found some pace in it tonight. I was keeping pace with the leaders over the first few laps until the engine blew apart.

So, a negative result, but quite a positive experience. I shall be returning to the Escort TC in the future :thumbup1:

I'm an idiot. Threw away second place because I couldn't keep up concentration. I was trying to work out what to do, coming to terms with the fact that I couldn't catch John nor pull away from Ed who was in a slower car, and while contemplating all these things I unsurprisingly spun. Had to let past many people and when back on track promptly spun again. Hit ESC in frustration before I could think about whether I wanted to continue or not.

Jim Clark once said something like 'when I want to go faster, I don't do anything different, I just concentrate harder'. How true.

Great fun.  first PnG race in ages.

Joined late due to unexpected family visit.

Lively early laps following 2 Porshces, with Mogget's Escort close by, 'till it blew up.

Got up to P3, and was closing on P2 (but wouldn't have closed the gap before the end of the race I don't think) then realised that despite taking about 5 ltrs more than the setup suggestion, noticed that I was about 10ltrs short to get to the flag  :o.

Jumped into the pits expecting a 18sec stop for a quick splash of fuel, and spent the rest of the race watching my car being refuelled  :'( .

Silly of me, but that's what happens when running late.

I was concerned joining the championship at the last round, that I might effect someone's points, so in some ways, finishing as I did was probably the best thing.

When I saw Ed & Npp in 2nd & 3rd I thought us Team Oldie's were on for a very nice points haul :laugh:


Good race with Matt, I was lucky there.
But anytime where MJ is nearly 2secs a lap quicker than me, confirms the cars were not remotely equal. MJ was noticably quicker in a couple of the corners & was pulling out 0.6secs on the straight despite me having toe!
Porka was probably lighter on it's tyres too ::) :ban:

: finally i finished my first race! Sorry frex if i touched u in race. ;D :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Results and Replay Posted

GOod race, ran Legzy off the road like a newbie  :o but we had a great chase after that, syncronised falling off at T1.
I probably could have forced past but after the earlier shove decided to keep status quo and had some serious
racing up to the end.  ;D

I struggle with the Porkas, I like that there are now a few variants, but even when for me they are 2 or 3 secs slower
someone always seems to make it a race winner. I will deduct 4 secs from now on  :angel:

Congratulations massimogt.

@ Legzy:  I think that the idea is to get them close enough to let John take a slower one and the rest of us find something that lets us keep him in sight for a few laps.

The racing at the front looked as though Matt achieved that.

Grats To John and Ed and thanks to Mogget, Ross and Alessandro for some good racing.

My tyres were shot and if there had been another lap then MJ would have been on the podium!

wow...my first pole position in qualy !
im very happy for this...but about the race not at all!  ;D
during the qualy , the feeling with my car was perfect, with soft compound the car was so sure to drive!
but in race, the had compound leaved me a bad surprise..the car was instable and my feeling was disappeared!
i had a very funny chase with clive loynes...we were so close..less than a meter for 5 laps...but abruptly he disappeared from the track...bad luck!
i finished 6
very funny race....grats to podium!
cu next track

Did you turn the ignition off? If not, the pit crew will just sit and stare at you until you do.

I think we've all done this at one time or another.

Ah that could have been it then.

Never pitted in PnG.  Though they attached the fuel hose etc, so it looked like everything was 'go', they just never removed the hose.

Again, my fault for joining late, and not checking fuel usage, and not practicing fuel stops (not that I expected to be doing one  :-[ ).

Thx for the tip.  I'll test it out.

I did try randomly pressing a few buttons in panic mode, to try to spark some life into my stop.  Hence my silly 'Hi' in chat late on.   I apologise to everyone for that.

Enjoyed the racing though.  I need to set aside more time on Thursday evenings...somehow.

Cracking event that, really enjoyed it, great track, plenty of opponents and good mix of cars :)

Just love the ST, its such a great lively little race car. Not the fastest but very nimble. 8)
Quallied well only to throw it away at the start when distracted by the last minute johnnies joining the grid  ::)
Not aided by the bit long 2nd gear, I got swamped by about 5 cars  :(
Early laps were a bit messy but soon started reeling in the guys ahead and making passes, which was great fun. Eventually ended up 4th and right on Clive's gearbox as we crossed the finish line.
If I hadn't fallen off the track a few times earlier through cars blowing up ahead or out braking myself, I might have got 3rd...that or half a lap more eh Clive  :)

So had to settle for 4th place finish and 2nd fastest laptime in the race, not a bad nights work  8)

Mmm, i'd call it a bit more than a touch mate - more like a giant punch from behind. Twice. (There was a third incident between us as well, but i'll hold my hand up for at least part of the blame on that one). It did rather look like you were having trouble controlling the car though, so congrats on getting it to the finish. And these things happen, so no probs.

Main trouble with my race was of my own making however - i fell completely asleep at the start and threw away my mid-grid position; then later on waited for Rolf at the final corner when i got on the power a little too early and gently nudged him into a spin (sorry again Rolf).

Probably wouldn't have been a lot higher up at the finish even without all these delays though, and the Alpine was much fun as usual.

Congrats John and podium.

Shame because I would attack you only if someone behind came too close. Was happy with third place and team points ...

My race was better than expected considering that I was painfully aware that I forgot to implement changes on brake ballance and diff settings for race setup. Dodgy brakes and lack of security pulling out of corners forced me to play safe after John pass me. Anyway, this is my best result so far but I will keep champagne on cold ... closed.

For next race must visit few garages to make sure that my opponents have properly deflated tires.  :ninja:

We did have a good battle Alessandro but it wasn't me who vanished.  You must have had more battles than you can remember, it was that sort of race.  ;D

Congratulations on the pole position.   :thumbup2:

Mark makes a valid point concerning the "last minute johnnies" joining the grid. This seems to happen all of the time in P&G3 and GTR2, and I do not understand why people do it. You have two minutes to get to the grid, and you should be able to get there immediately. There is no excuse for waiting the full two minutes.

On a side note, AVG has blocked an "Exploit JavaScript Obfuscation (type 156)" several times this morning. Is this something that needs to be addressed?

The flu was stronger.  :(

It wasn't me but I do have sympathy for people who have taken advantage of a last minute chance to race and have not had a chance to sort out the fuel consumption and tyres before the race is upon them.

@Mogget, not something I have seen or am aware of....

People sometimes leave and rejoin the grid if they have a low health indication, I am never sure why
some wait until almost 2 mins are up before joining at all, if you need time to select your race setup
or add fuel, fair enough, but it can be a bit distracting having to sit there for a long time.

I love this track, it always produces some good close racing when we have used it.

Clive is sort of correct, though I would invert it. I don't plan the races assuming John or other aliens
will take a slow car, I try to provide 2 or 3 cars of similar pace with a couple of slower or easier to drive
options, so people can have a challenge or may not want to take a difficult to drive car.

Car set was fine Matt, dont worry. I think this round, along with Mallory Park, both good full grids, has proved how popular this group of cars is to race.  :) Some rounds the balance shifts the other way. Interestingly the most vocal opponent of the 911 here was Legzy, yet hey presto, the only two rounds he outscored me convincingly in this championship was when he took the CSL Alpina against the RSR or the RS2600 capri against the 911ST...go figure  ::) Dont remember him harping on then about superior cars  :whistling: He just cant get used to the fact of me beating him on occasion  ;D
There were only 2 911's in the top 5 here. Quick guys like Geoffers and John etc taking other cars adds to the flavour and kudos to them for doing so and providing a good grid mix of cars.  :thumbup1:

Is anyone else getting the "Exploit JavaScript Obfuscation (type 156)" warning from their anti virus software? This is coming up on my work PC and also my home PC, and it only appears when I visit this site. Therefore, it must be a site specific warning.

Was getting it this morning Mog (Work pc, also AVG), but it seems to have gone now.

EDIT: Nope, it's back again..

So basically you agree then MJ, in all but two rounds the Porka's have had an unfair advantage?
On a serious note, given the choice between Pork vs CSL Alpina vs RS2600 (the three you mention, that appear too often), I'd be happy to take none of them. I even got so desperate one race, I took the Pork. Didn't take long to remember why I don't do pork!
There must be about 100 distinctly different cars in PnG3, we've used only about 25-33% of them (repeatedly) in all the races so far this season. Matt's doing so well, I sure he's got plans to address this soon. I'm sorry to moan, I obviously remember how hard it is to organise this stuff.

On occasion would be just fine mate, but think about how easy you blasted past me & left me for dead 2/3 times during this race.


p.s. Some info this race did throw out in practice for me, was how well balanced the 1300 Renault vs Alpha Junior 1300 were here.

Organising competitive races in P&G3 with several different car types is a difficult task.....

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_keimola_2013_6_13_20_44/)

Connection got a bit unstable in the first lap. All cars disappeared for 10 seconds and was thinking of bailing out when all cars reappeared again. Hope I did not cause any mishap.

Had a nice race with some side2side action with Rolf (before he stormed off in the distance).

ps, Matt, Rolf Just = Magic43 but you probably figured that out yourself..

Had good fun in this race, despite spinning at the end of the pit straight on lap 1!. I think I just tagged the back of Niels Porsche but he carried on OK, sorry there Niels  :(. I think everyone avoided my stranded car as I waited to rejoin.

Enjoyed my drive back through the field & was only just short of catching Clive & MJ on the last lap.

Congrats to John, Ed & Clive.  :thumbup2:

Err? No!! Take a look at each round of this series in the table! If anything, this was the only round the porsche had any alleged performance advantage!! Every other round it's outgunned. Your so blinkered against them it's clouding your judgement, not to mention the fact I can actually peddle one of these quite quickly, which you seem to be almost arrogantly overlooking like its an affront to your godly racing skills  ::) give me some credit, I do have the odd good race you know, especially in a car I have affinity with and I still have to race and beat other guys in the same car!
If you can't master it that yours problem  :-*

Sorry to say that MJ may have a point.

If John was in it, it was out gunned.  By definition.

In this series.

I get
"This web site wants to run the following add-on: "Java SE Runtime Environment 7 Update 21" from Oracle America. Inc.  If you trust the website and the add-on and want to allow it to run, click here..."

Nothing on ESS 5. No problems with Java because I don`t have it on this machine.

The exploit threat is still being tagged by AVG.....

The only person I know who has any control over our sites is Dave Gymer, and he is touring Canada I believe.
I will take it up with Dave when he returns.

I have been trying to run events with mostly 70s cars because that was supposedly the big appeal of PG3
I sneak in some 60's cars when they fit. I have some future events using big yanks and also a Tina/mini/alfa/arbarth event
I am intending to re run a couple of early events where most of our current members were not aware of.
What cars in particular were you alluding to Legz? I have given the Capri 3100 and CSLs a rest as they just seem to cause complaints,

I am not a big fan of most of the 70s cars. Give me a 60s Mustang any day.

We had 3 years+ of just the 60's cars. Being able to race some cool 70's cars has been a breath of fresh air  :thumbup1: they are a feast for the senses  :)
Maybe alternate a series using 60's cars with another using 70's, should keep everyone happy. Maybe  :P

Don't worry, I didn't even notice the incident! I'm still massively haddocked off about throwing away 2nd place all on my own though  >:(

EDIT by MOD: Granny state that we are in, we tend to use breeds of fish rather than real swear words, however gentle they may be
some sensitive souls are easily offended (apparently)  ::)

I don't know but if it helps, below is the old 'car values table' used in our popular (:whistling:) "Legzy Token's" series.
If you remember the cars were aimed at being balanced over a range of tracks & the best cars cost more tokens (i.e. the GT40 Gulf was fast & the Healey was not!).

It's not as simple as this, but basically, if you look at cars of the same value or one/two appart, they'll probably be relatively balanced on an "average" track.

But enough nostalgia, I've tried to highlight the cars I don't think we've used in PnG3 yet:

Tokens 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0

Cars Available Porsche 906/8 GT40 Gulf Porsche 911 RSR 3L Porsche 906/6, GT40 mk II GT40 mk I, Porsche 911 IROC Porsche 914/6, Shelby Cobra 427 Roadster Ferrari 275 GTB Speciale Chevrolet Corvette L88  Coupe, Lotus Elan Shelby Daytona Coupe Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe (Willment), Corvette L88 Roadster Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe (not Willment), Shelby GT-350R CASC Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster, Ferrari 275 GTB/C, E Type Jag Lightweight 5 Speed, Corvette L72 Coupe Shelby GT350 SCCA, EType Jag Lightweight 4Speed, Falcon Weslakeheads, Mustang ATCC, Alfa Volumetrico E Type Jag Coupe, E Type Jag Roadster Ford Mustang Trans Am, Ford Falcon Mann, Chevrolet z06 Coupe Ferrari 250 C, Mustang NTK, Alpine 1300 Alfa Romeo GTA Corvette L76 Roadster, Lotus Cortina Works Abarth 1000TC Gr5, TR4 Lotus Elite, Ferrari 250 B, Mini Cooper 1275s Healey mk 2

That list is definately not inclusive of all the cars, but it's a fair coverage.

Appologies as I'm sure I'll have highlighted a couple I didn't realise have been available at some point.

But I'd say you've probably got the makings of three races there with hopefully not too much effort:
Cars valued 8 & 9 (basically yellow+)
Cars values 5 7 6 (basically orange+)
Cars valued 2 & 3 (basically green+)

Hope it helps :-\

Rolf Just is Magic43

He is indeed, and I updated the Db a few days ago after a prompt from Alex.
I haven't regenerated the results because I have never figured out how to.

Thanks Legz. Any guide is useful for a starting point, I will start adding some more 60s cars into the mix
If you look at past comments from people there are some very mixed oppinions, but hey what's new  ::)

We have not used all the variants it's true, but we have used all the E-Type variants, and an occasional Mustang
and I think a Vette or two, or at least thay have been offered in events.

I have used Mogget's car groups for inspiration at times as well, though races here tend to have much
tighter grouping, so there is still a lot of testing and thinking to be done  :chef: