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Title: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 04, 2016, 05:26:27 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=535&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

SKF Trophy
(Classes C and D only)

Track: Mallory Park Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187122#post_mallory)

Cars allowed:

CLASS C (1300-2000cc)

Ford Escort 1600RS Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_escort_rs1600)
Ford Escort 1600TC (FVA) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_escort_fva)

CLASS D (Over 2000cc)

Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (from the 1970's carpack) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_american_v8)
Ford Capri 2600RS (requires skinpack) Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/file/nv4lxqiu7nhdcnc/Ford_Capri_RS_2600.zip)
Ford Mustang Boss 302 Download this (http://gizmo71.www.idnet.com/srou/ukgtl/cars/SRou_GTL_69Boss302Mustang_1.1.0.0.exe)

Drivers are limited to a maximum of FOUR drives per Class, with a limited number of drives per car. For more information please click HERE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I7egPwfJnD3svMwKxFhsK633XLm8BLocdNuofsj2VKg/edit?usp=sharing)

RACE TWO

Car change/Practice: ~21:00 (5 mins)
Qualifying: 21:05 (10 mins)
Race: 21:15 (20 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Dec 4
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 10, 2016, 03:30:25 PM +0000
IMPORTANT

Once qualification has started drivers may not leave to change class/make/car. They may leave to change skins.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: EvilClive on November 22, 2017, 07:24:43 PM +0000
With a little time on my hands I thought I would peruse the upcoming races and where I might have to do some practice.

Mallory next for the saloons, and I have just realised that this is a double header!!!  That means a change of car for each round too  :-\

By some miracle I have cars that I can use for both rounds and still have a car for the Brands Hatch finale?? I'm not quite sure how I managed to do that as there was no pre-planning involved from my side. Maybe it was Tony's cunning setup of the series that guaranteed that we all had the right cars at the end??? ;)

I still have one Mini that I will have to use at Mallory for the smaller class race, which means I am going to have to wrestle with a front wheel drive car again. Watch out for a Mini weaving wildly from side to side round that long right hander???

My first attempts this afternoon netted a 55 sec lap as a PB. If I can tame the setup to my liking I might knock a couple of secs off that on a banzai lap,  but I suspect that the resident Mini experts might be closer to regular 50 sec laps??


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Erling G-P on November 22, 2017, 07:57:09 PM +0000
Fishing for laptimes again are we, Mr Evil ?   ;D

You could take a look at the times in this 2014 race (with yourself in a Mini...  ;)):
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11970#event3836


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: EvilClive on November 22, 2017, 10:34:18 PM +0000
LOL!!!  hardly fishing.....more like wishing for lap times. I just have no feel for these front wheel drive boxes, it all feels counter intuitive to me.

But I confess, I had forgotten completely that I had raced a Mini here before. Actually quite chuffed that I managed a 55 sec lap today in an 850 mini and back then it was all I could do in a 1275 version. Is that progress???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Geoffers on November 23, 2017, 11:02:38 AM +0000
But I confess, I had forgotten completely that I had raced a Mini here before. Actually quite chuffed that I managed a 55 sec lap today in an 850 mini and back then it was all I could do in a 1275 version. Is that progress???

Probably not Clive!  :whistling:

The 68 970 Mini (not 850  ::)) is probably capable of around the same laptime as the default GTL Mini that you used in that race. The 68 1275 we are using this time will be about 1s faster.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: SpecialKS on November 23, 2017, 11:03:54 AM +0000
Am I right, that Huggy may not participate in this one as he has no drives left for Class C and D?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 23, 2017, 11:14:55 AM +0000
Am I right, that Huggy may not participate in this one as he has no drives left for Class C and D?
Yep.

But if he wants to race he can. But he must not take part in qualy (starts last on the grid) and he will not score any points, or appear in the results tables.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: EvilClive on November 23, 2017, 11:44:08 AM +0000
But I confess, I had forgotten completely that I had raced a Mini here before. Actually quite chuffed that I managed a 55 sec lap today in an 850 mini and back then it was all I could do in a 1275 version. Is that progress???

Probably not Clive!  :whistling:

The 68 970 Mini (not 850  ::)) is probably capable of around the same laptime as the default GTL Mini that you used in that race. The 68 1275 we are using this time will be about 1s faster.

Awww! Thanks for bursting my confidence bubble Geoffers  :-\
For almost a whole day I thought my front wheel drive abilities had marginally improved!!??  :(   ( I had not actually noticed that we had all those 970cc's to use.....must read the race posts properly  ??? )


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 23, 2017, 11:57:37 AM +0000
But I confess, I had forgotten completely that I had raced a Mini here before. Actually quite chuffed that I managed a 55 sec lap today in an 850 mini and back then it was all I could do in a 1275 version. Is that progress???

Probably not Clive!  :whistling:

The 68 970 Mini (not 850  ::)) is probably capable of around the same laptime as the default GTL Mini that you used in that race. The 68 1275 we are using this time will be about 1s faster.
I had not actually noticed that we had all those 970cc's to use.....must read the race posts properly  ???
Like this one  :whistling: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14140.msg255075#msg255075


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: roguk on November 27, 2017, 09:28:44 PM +0000
Got stuck on the inside bank of the hairpin lap 12.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 27, 2017, 10:10:41 PM +0000
Results and replay now posted


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: misnoimis on November 27, 2017, 10:54:00 PM +0000
It was good to manage a race online again. The evening was nearly very enjoyable for me. I had only connected up my GTL stuff again during the middle of last week.

In the first race I seemed to be surrounded by minis. As they were better under breaking on some corners but I had a better top speed it was interesting. I had a poor start but was closing in on two duelling minis in front of me, Roger and Clive and wondering where I could try a pass when I got really slowed by their battle at the hairpin and Tony and Bob got passed me. I had managed to pass Bob and thought I had passed Tony on the outside of T1 but had to slow slightly as I pulled across in order to make the turn and probably didn’t leave him room, sorry. I got a nudge that put me on the grass and out of the battle. There weren’t enough laps left for me to quite catch-up but it was fun.

The second race was going O K until I just slightly overcooked it out of the hairpin (damn hairpin) and fell out of front six battles. I was driving the RS1600 and spent the race chasing after Ziu in the slightly slower FVA. I had him in my sights but was not going to catch him. I was on the final straight on the last lap and about to cruise over the line in fifth place when a flashing white ghost car suddenly appeared right in front of me from nowhere. It wasn’t a ghost. I don’t know why it was flashing but I hit it and summersaulted into the air coming to rest on the grass with a dead engine and no suspension just a few yards short of the finishing line. A non finish *!”£$%^&*.

Grats winners and podiums. :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: misnoimis on November 27, 2017, 11:45:28 PM +0000
I have just downloaded and watched the replay of the second race. In the replay Jeeps car stops dead by the Pit entrance and does not cross the line. He is credited with second place. I hit him and also don’t cross the line. In my race he appeared from nowhere as a flashing car.  :blink: :eek: :scared: I think there has been a bit of a glitch or is this a GTL booby trap.   ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Jeep on November 28, 2017, 12:51:18 AM +0000
Exactly the same happened to Ziu in race 1 I narrowly  missed him on my run upto the flag.

But in both cases if you watch the replay you will see that both Ziu and myself did cross the line and at exactly the same distance past the flag we were punted back. So I believe  it's a bug in the track rather than a server or connection issue.

TTFN
John


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: EvilClive on November 28, 2017, 10:36:47 AM +0000
Well......by some good fortune on my part and a couple of errors by others, I had quite a profitable points haul last night  ;)

The Mini 970s which I had to use for the first race had proved a real headache for me. As I posted about a week ago I had managed a PB of around 55secs on my first offline trials. Normally, if I find some time to practice a car/track combo I would expect to make some improvement. But despite trying all sorts of setup changes, braking points, apex points etc I was just not improving.  
The only thing that I knew for sure was that I could gain or lose 0.5 secs at the hairpin, and the only thing that I could identify was that avoiding excessive wheelspin in the Mini was crucial on corner exit?? With no option in the garage for this race I had to drive the Mini and knew that I would be up against a few experts....so I was not sure that I would be competitive.
The start went well and I found myself chasing a bunch of Escorts and Ziu in his lightening little Imp. Between me and the Escorts was another 970 Mini and hot on my tail was Tony in his 1275 version. Although Tony was in a different class I was not going to simply roll over and allow him a free pass, as I felt our speeds were not so different over a whole lap. Tony was quicker on the straights with his extra power, but was definitely quicker through the Esses before the hairpin and he made a run on the inside under braking for hairpin. Regrettably he was a little too bold and slithered into Oldgeezers (?) Mini ahead taking both of them onto the grass. I exited the hairpin 2 places better off and with a class lead !!!
A lap later my excitement got the better of me and I slithered wide at T1 allowing Rog to sweep past. I was able to recover before Tony and Bill caught me but it took a long tome to catch Rog who was driving a very steady ( and quick ) Mini. Our cars were so evenly matched on pace that I just could not find a space to make a pass....and Tony + Jeep had found an extra gear and were closing too quickly from behind!!
They tangled I think and gave me some breathing space just before Rog ran wide with about 2 laps to go and I stole his class lead. Tony was on a mission behind and I had to drive a defensive line for the last lap to hold my place.
Yes!! Ziu's phantom Imp was a shock just before the finish line and I just managed to dodge past :o

For the first time this season I actually thought about the second race... I had 2 Escorts left. The obvious choice would be to save the faster car for Brands Hatch. But a look at the available car table changed my mind. The majority of drivers only had an FVA left to drive so would have to use that option for Mallory, which would mean that they would not be competing in that class at Brands..... :shifty:
So, I could take the faster 1600RS at Mallory and give myself a good shot at the class win in a faster car, leaving me with an FVA for Brands where there would not be so many cars in that class. Sneaky huh???  :D
John ( Jeep ) did his best to spoil my cunning plan by matching my quali pace and snatching pole!! As per usual I had qualified on race fuel so knew that I could be on his pace for the race. Then he spluttered at the start and I was lucky enough to get the power down to lead into T1.
Pre race practice had taught me that my setup was very skittish on cold tyres and that I needed 2 laps to find any proper grip, especially on the rear end, so I had to tread very carefully and defend for the first part of the race.
Gradually the grip improved and I was able to squeeze away from John. Once I had a few seconds as a buffer it was simply a case of making no mistakes, which I almost failed to do by running wide at T1, throwing away 2 precious seconds. But a lap later, John lost time and I was 5 secs ahead again with a cruise to the flag.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: misnoimis on November 28, 2017, 10:55:42 AM +0000
Exactly the same happened to Ziu in race 1 I narrowly  missed him on my run up to the flag.

But in both cases if you watch the replay you will see that both Ziu and myself did cross the line and at exactly the same distance past the flag we were punted back. So I believe  it's a bug in the track rather than a server or connection issue.

TTFN
John

Yep, I see what you say. In my race you suddenly appeared as a stationary flashing car on my line. I checked my replay ( It usually doesn't save) of race two and this is the case. In the race replay you were visible as I rounded the corner, stationary but solid. I would have assumed you had run out of petrol and taken avoiding action.

A pity but I have seen this on other tracks also at times so they may also have a bug. I can remember passing right though a flashing stationary car without a scratch when having no chance to avoid it in the past and also taking to the grass to avoid one that others passed through.

Real life racers are lucky they don't have these problems.  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 28, 2017, 11:02:35 AM +0000
Well......by some good fortune on my part and a couple of errors by others, I had quite a profitable points haul last night  ;)

The Mini 970s which I had to use for the first race had proved a real headache for me. As I posted about a week ago I had managed a PB of around 55secs on my first offline trials. Normally, if I find some time to practice a car/track combo I would expect to make some improvement. But despite trying all sorts of setup changes, braking points, apex points etc I was just not improving. 
The only thing that I knew for sure was that I could gain or lose 0.5 secs at the hairpin, and the only thing that I could identify was that avoiding excessive wheelspin in the Mini was crucial on corner exit?? With no option in the garage for this race I had to drive the Mini and knew that I would be up against a few experts....so I was not sure that I would be competitive.
The start went well and I found myself chasing a bunch of Escorts and Ziu in his lightening little Imp. Between me and the Escorts was another 970 Mini and hot on my tail was Tony in his 1275 version. Although Tony was in a different class I was not going to simply roll over and allow him a free pass, as I felt our speeds were not so different over a whole lap. Tony was quicker on the straights with his extra power, but was definitely quicker through the Esses before the hairpin and he made a run on the inside under braking for hairpin. Regrettably he was a little too bold and slithered into Oldgeezers (?) Mini ahead taking both of them onto the grass. I exited the hairpin 2 places better off and with a class lead !!!
A lap later my excitement got the better of me and I slithered wide at T1 allowing Rog to sweep past. I was able to recover before Tony and Bill caught me but it took a long tome to catch Rog who was driving a very steady ( and quick ) Mini. Our cars were so evenly matched on pace that I just could not find a space to make a pass....and Tony + Jeep had found an extra gear and were closing too quickly from behind!!
They tangled I think and gave me some breathing space just before Rog ran wide with about 2 laps to go and I stole his class lead. Tony was on a mission behind and I had to drive a defensive line for the last lap to hold my place.
Yes!! Ziu's phantom Imp was a shock just before the finish line and I just managed to dodge past :o

For the first time this season I actually thought about the second race... I had 2 Escorts left. The obvious choice would be to save the faster car for Brands Hatch. But a look at the available car table changed my mind. The majority of drivers only had an FVA left to drive so would have to use that option for Mallory, which would mean that they would not be competing in that class at Brands..... :shifty:
So, I could take the faster 1600RS at Mallory and give myself a good shot at the class win in a faster car, leaving me with an FVA for Brands where there would not be so many cars in that class. Sneaky huh???  :D
Huggy did his best to spoil my cunning plan by matching my quali pace and snatching pole!! As per usual I had qualified on race fuel so knew that I could be on his pace for the race. Then he spluttered at the start and I was lucky enough to get the power down to lead into T1.
Pre race practice had taught me that my setup was very skittish on cold tyres and that I needed 2 laps to find any proper grip, especially on the rear end, so I had to tread very carefully and defend for the first part of the race.
Gradually the grip improved and I was able to squeeze away from Huggy. Once I had a few seconds as a buffer it was simply a case of making no mistakes, which I almost failed to do by running wide at T1, throwing away 2 precious seconds. But a lap later, Huggy lost time and I was 5 secs ahead again with a cruise to the flag.

Huggy was not racing last night  ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: EvilClive on November 28, 2017, 11:54:24 AM +0000
OOps!! I plead alzheimers  ???  

It was John!!...........................I think  ::)

previous post corrected.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Geoffers on November 28, 2017, 01:07:03 PM +0000
First race was a bit of a non-event. Could not get near my pb in the Imp in qually, then near the end I noticed there was no one else on track, glanced at my router & saw tinternet had lost connection. Fortunately it came back with time to rejoin but I had to start from the back.
Got a rubbish start, car in front was slow away & I had to lift off causing the engine to bog down as everyone sped off into the distance. Caught & passed Bill on lap 2 but got distracted by a melee at the hairpin, missed my braking point & went off. Eager to rejoin I spun the car around but mounted the bank on the inside & got stuck so quit.  ::)

Race 2 went better, again car ahead was slow away & again I bogged down a little allowing a couple of cars past. Retook Ziu (that doesn't happen often!) on the first lap & Misnoimis on lap 2 to regain my starting position. Clive & John in their RS Escorts were already gone & continued to pull away so was happy with 3rd in the first of the TC-FVA cars.

Congrats to the podiums.  :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: SpecialKS on November 28, 2017, 08:16:12 PM +0000
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Mallory_Race2_27112017)

8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 28, 2017, 11:24:14 PM +0000
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Mallory_Race2_27112017)

8)
Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Erling G-P on November 29, 2017, 03:39:58 PM +0000
Uneventful race 1 for me, except for the last few seconds.  No room for error though in the early laps, as John was a close and constant presence in my mirrors.  Gradually built a gap, like Ziu built a gap in front.  When he crossed the finish line, a ghost of his car suddenly appeared in front of me, like others have described.  Managed a wild swerve around it, but almost finished the race sideways through the pits - that would no doubt have earned me a DQ, but got it under control in time to finish on track.

Not really in the mood to comment on race 2. Suffice to say I got rammed off on L2, and spent the remainder of the race trying to make up lost time.

Incidentally think Misnoimis should be reinstated in the position he held before hitting the ghost car - without it, he would surely have finished there, and this was no fault of his.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Bob M. on November 29, 2017, 08:48:13 PM +0000
Fun race for me, had some action at first and then some alone time just driving the track.  Then towards the end (last 5 laps or so) I noticed I had someone really charging up behind me.  He was gaining about a second a lap so tried to speed up but he still was coming strong.  If the race had been 1 lap longer he would have gotten me I'm sure.
It was Erling in another FVA!!!!  I also agree that misnoimis should be moved up ahead of me, the ghost car was in the track flickering on and off when I got by it.  Weird happening! 

Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Jeep on November 29, 2017, 10:35:06 PM +0000
Regarding Misnoimis and my Ghost car I completely agree with Erling and Bob.

Like race 1 the 2nd half became a bit lonely. I was stunned to take pole ahead of Clive, so much so I made a complete mess of the start and Clive was in front from the flag. Initially after following him for a lap or so I thought I just might take the place back as his car seemed a lot more nervous in the corners than mine but once the tyres had warmed up he found a bit more pace and a few less than elegant attempts on my part at the hairpin meant he began to pull away in the 2nd half of the race.

But well chuffed with 2nd.

TTFN
John.
 


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 30, 2017, 09:26:42 AM +0000
I will amend the results to take into account the issue with the ghost car. If not today then tomorrow.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: misnoimis on November 30, 2017, 12:58:10 PM +0000
Thank you guys, I was peeved because of the GTL bug that caused my non-finish. I was not worried about the points as I class myself as an enthusiastic occasional interloper rather than a regular. Unfortunately I have other commitments on a Monday that usually sees me arrive home late and tired so I don’t get to race too often. When I do race I try to finish as high as possible and get some satisfaction out of bringing a car home, more or less, in one piece. :sweatdrop:

I totally agree it would be unfair if a competitive racer contesting a championship was thwarted by this program bug. I guess there are issues with dodgy connections and bugs in programs that appear to be the same issue but aren’t just to complicate things. Probably the worst is a disco or a CTD but I think these are unfortunately not rectifiable.

I think this is a great Series and hope to race again online in a couple of weeks. :thumbup1: :thumbup1: :thumbup1:

Cheers  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 1971 RAC British Saloon Car Cham - Mallory Park - Nov 27
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 30, 2017, 06:57:33 PM +0000
Results now revised