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  • UKGTL Ladder - TC-65@HockNat: August 17, 2006
August 17, 2006, 09:06:11 PM +0100 - Hockenheim (National) - UKGTL Ladder TC-65
Driver
 Team		 Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Pero_Grozni
 RS Motorsport		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#907) TC-65 D2 3 +0.183
78.514mph		 1 40:06.627
75.372mph		 22 1:45.104
78.447mph
Dunlop  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#200100) TC-65 D2 1 1:44.831
78.652mph		 2 +1.936
75.312mph		 22 1:45.503
78.151mph
Dunlop  
JonM_uk
 Ze Penguin Brotherhood		 Lotus Cortina (#955) TC-65 D2 5 +1.871
77.272mph		 3 +30.789
74.420mph		 22 1:46.971
77.078mph
Dunlop  
Zacari
 Team Shark		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#200100) TC-65 D2 6 +2.050
77.143mph		 4 +36.074
74.259mph		 22 1:46.883
77.142mph
Dunlop  
LeH
 Ghostspeed		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#202550) TC-65 D2 2 +0.162
78.530mph		 5 (+2) +38.380
74.189mph		 22 1:45.739
77.976mph
Dunlop  
BigG
 RS Motorsport		 Lotus Cortina (#961) TC-65 D2 11 +3.171
76.342mph		 6 +54.024
73.717mph		 22 1:47.030
77.036mph
Dunlop  
Mooman117
 		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 7 +2.211
77.027mph		 7 +57.225
73.622mph		 22 1:47.745
76.524mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed		 Lotus Cortina (#202553) TC-65 D2 8 +2.724
76.660mph		 8 +1:01.938
73.481mph		 22 1:47.759
76.514mph
Dunlop  
Bernie Lomax
 Ze Penguin Brotherhood		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#956) TC-65 D2 9 +2.837
76.579mph		 9 +1:08.236
73.294mph		 22 1:48.445
76.030mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#200802) TC-65 D2 12 +3.208
76.316mph		 10 +1:17.539
73.020mph		 22 1:48.523
75.976mph
Dunlop  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#200100) TC-65 D2 19 +4.158
75.651mph		 11 +1:31.961
72.598mph		 22 1:48.469
76.014mph
Dunlop  
popabawa
 Legends Racing		 Austin Mini Cooper 1275S (#593) TC-65 D2 17 +3.892
75.836mph		 12 +1:32.528
72.582mph		 22 1:49.271
75.456mph
Dunlop  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 13 +3.384
76.192mph		 13 +1:34.319
72.530mph		 22 1:48.061
76.301mph
Dunlop  
Madd-RIP
 		 Lotus Cortina (#121206) TC-65 D2 14 +3.404
76.178mph		 14 +1:34.657
72.520mph		 22 1:48.083
76.285mph
Dunlop  
Baz
 Team Oldie Racing		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#922) TC-65 D2 20 +4.917
75.128mph		 15 +1:45.220
72.215mph		 22 1:49.592
75.235mph
Dunlop  
D_Nichols
 		 Lotus Cortina (#924) TC-65 D2 22 +6.569
74.014mph		 16 +1L
70.711mph		 21 1:49.552
75.262mph
Dunlop  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 23 +6.867
73.816mph		 17 +47.264
69.372mph		 21 1:51.359
74.041mph
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#922) TC-65 D2 24 +8.361
72.842mph		 18 +47.563
69.363mph		 21 1:53.634
72.559mph
Dunlop  
Bully
 		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#202550) TC-65 D2 21 +4.983
75.083mph		 19 +2L
67.223mph		 20 1:51.391
74.020mph
Dunlop  
Woodee
 		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 15 +3.498
76.112mph		 20 +3L 19 1:48.184
76.214mph		 DQ
Dunlop  
OSiriS
 		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 16 +3.557
76.070mph		 21 (+2) +6L 16 1:49.071
75.594mph		 unknown
Dunlop  
Aagramn
 Team Shark		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#200100) TC-65 D2 18 +4.010
75.754mph		 22 +14L 8 1:49.263
75.461mph		 unknown
Dunlop  
LEUVEN
 CBFR		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#922) TC-65 D2 4 +1.068
77.858mph		 +22L 0 ---
---		 DQ
Dunlop  
JohnnyDee
 Ghostspeed		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#202550) TC-65 D2 10 +2.882
76.547mph		 0 ---
---		 unknown
Dunlop  
Adam Parle
 		 Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 0 ---
---		 unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

There were some reports of drivers cutting the track. There seems to be some confusion over the 'use of track surface' rule. It states "Drivers must at all times keep at least two wheels within the boundaries of the track. The track is defined as the normal road surface, which at most tracks is definied by white lines at the edge of the road, ***plus any painted curbs***." Running over the white line is OK, provided the driver keeps two wheels on the curb. Drivers will not be penalised for running wide, unless they gain an advantage by doing so.

Server replay time: 256s

OSiriS has run off the track at Einfahrt Parabolika and has rejoined ahead of Aagramn, who carries a little more speed onto the curvy straight. Aagramn starts to pull alongside OSiriS, but the latter slowly moves over until the latter's rear left contacts the former's right front, and Aagramn has to back out of the throttle to avoid being run off the track.

OSiriS says he could see Aagramn in his mirrors and assumed that he must be behind him. However, he should have realised that even if Aagramn was not actually alongside, he was gaining on him and had committed to the left hand side of the track, so OSiriS should've left him some room.

Server replay time: 650s

LeH cuts the track about a dozen times over the course of the race. The cuts are very marginal, his normal line is within the track boundaries as defined in the 'use of track surface' rule.

Server replay time: 756s

OSiriS runs wide in the Sachskurve; Baz sees this and tries to take advantage, but as OSiriS rejoins he comes back onto the track quite violently and the two collide, Baz spinning off as a result.

Baz could've left a bit more room for OSiriS to rejoin, but OSiriS should have taken more care to rejoin gradually instead of wrestling his car off the curbs using half the track. The Alfa isn't the easiest car to handle across the higher curbs and for this reason, along with the fairly modest amount of track that Baz left him to work with, I'm reducing what would normally be a penalty to a warning.

Server replay time: 830s

LeH has Ruskus and Pero breathing down his neck as they arrive at the final corner in a fight for the lead. Ahead is Bully in last place, who runs slightly wide but is clearly ahead as he turns into the final corner. LeH takes his car out even wider than Bully and then tries to force his way up the inside, pushing Bully into a big tank slapper.

Bully is now on the right hand side, with LeH, Ruskus and Pero fighting for position as all four head for the Nordkurve. Four into one will not go at the best of times, and Bully made a serious error of judgement in not lifting off and allowing the leaders to fight their way into T1, mitigated by the rough handling from LeH which preceeded it.

As they arrive at T1, Ruskus is able to go cleanly through into the lead, but Pero has Bully alongside and has nowhere to go as LeH sweeps across and makes hard contact with him. Luckily all four emerge relatively unscathed, although LeH has damaged suspension.

The replay suggests that even had Bully not been there, Pero did not have room to go through T1 inside LeH. We will never know for sure but this is one of those occaisions where discretion would have been the better part of valour and LeH might have finished 3rd instead of 5th had he left Pero more room. However, this is a classic "fog of war" case and so we're declaring the Nordkurve contact a racing incident.

  • Bully — warning — unnecessarily holding up lapping drivers
  • LeH ([GS]LeH) — penalty — contact with Bully in the Sudkurve — 2 places lost

Server replay time: 1075s

As they reach Mobilkurve, Aagramn is trying to outbreak OSiriS, getting approximately a 40% overlap as the latter turns in, leaving no room on the inside and making solid side contact. Aagramn manages to keep hold of the car as it slides across the curbs and comes out ahead.

  • OSiriS (Phill Kerins) — penalty — contact with Aagramn — 1 place lost (plus 1 for penalty points)

Server replay time: 1097s

Following the previous contact between them, Aagramn is ahead of OSiriS, whose painkillers have just worn off, as they come through the final corners. Aagramn brakes as usual for the penultimate corner, but OSiriS misjudges his braking completely, spinning Aagramn around, who then collects Baz.

  • OSiriS (Phill Kerins) — penalty — rear ending Aagramn — 2 places lost (plus 1 for penalty points)
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

Server replay time: 1142s

Mooman isn't close enough to make a pass on PRiberiro approaching the corner. Mooman brakes a bit late, locks up trying to avoid PRiberiro but is unable to prevent contact. This was clearly a driver error and not an agressive passing move, so I'm reducing this to a warning.

  • Mooman117 — warning — rear ending PRiberiro
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

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« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2006, 06:27:54 PM +0100 »
I'll probably be the only Mini driver tonight but what the heck Smiley

1:50.88 my best so far. Reckon I might just creep under 1:50 if the wind blows in the right direction!
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« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2006, 06:31:44 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Ruskus on August 17, 2006, 06:16:44 PM +0100
Jon and Adam....you've got mail Smiley

Thanks, just going to give it a go now.
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« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2006, 06:36:04 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Ruskus on August 17, 2006, 03:47:27 PM +0100
1:45s are possible in the Alfa as well. I can upload my setup (made by someone else) and hotlap for the interested.

aahhh gzzz im lucky to hit 1.54 in the jag Embarrassed
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« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2006, 06:50:37 PM +0100 »
Quote from: whitham69 on August 17, 2006, 06:36:04 PM +0100
Quote from: Ruskus on August 17, 2006, 03:47:27 PM +0100
1:45s are possible in the Alfa as well. I can upload my setup (made by someone else) and hotlap for the interested.

aahhh gzzz im lucky to hit 1.54 in the jag Embarrassed

Luckily for you, the Jag isn't an option for this race Grin
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« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2006, 07:07:47 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Ruskus on August 17, 2006, 03:47:27 PM +0100
1:45s are possible in the Alfa as well. I can upload my setup (made by someone else) and hotlap for the interested.

If I hardly use GTL and can do a 1:45 (well my old pb from early races on here was a 1:45 according to my diver profile and setup  Shocked) then Im sure you'll be in the 44's, if not 1:43's  Shocked
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« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2006, 07:10:31 PM +0100 »
Unless Im confusing it with the short/small track? therefore im uber slow lol
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« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2006, 07:17:28 PM +0100 »
Quote from: LEUVEN on August 17, 2006, 07:10:31 PM +0100
Unless Im confusing it with the short/small track? therefore im uber slow lol

Lol. looking at GTLrank, my time is the 3rd time, and yours 2nd. No way I can do 43's/44's, unless I can use a bigger engine.
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« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2006, 07:27:36 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Ruskus on August 17, 2006, 07:17:28 PM +0100
Quote from: LEUVEN on August 17, 2006, 07:10:31 PM +0100
Unless Im confusing it with the short/small track? therefore im uber slow lol

Lol. looking at GTLrank, my time is the 3rd time, and yours 2nd. No way I can do 43's/44's, unless I can use a bigger engine.

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« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2006, 07:37:41 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Ruskus on August 17, 2006, 06:50:37 PM +0100
Quote from: whitham69 on August 17, 2006, 06:36:04 PM +0100
Quote from: Ruskus on August 17, 2006, 03:47:27 PM +0100
1:45s are possible in the Alfa as well. I can upload my setup (made by someone else) and hotlap for the interested.

aahhh gzzz im lucky to hit 1.54 in the jag Embarrassed

Luckily for you, the Jag isn't an option for this race Grin


dannit there goes all my practice. lucky you said i never noticed that.

I thought this was a ladder event open to all cars in that class?
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« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2006, 07:40:10 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Shark on August 07, 2006, 11:40:39 AM +0100
Cars allowed: Alfa Romeo GTA, Lotus Cortina, Mini Cooper
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« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2006, 09:09:02 PM +0100 »
Couldn't even get in to race, hung up loads and then just kept loading the same 4 guys, managed to get out at the end of qualy, but had the same problem in the garage - kept loading the same 4 guys.  No sound if I made it onto track.  Really pi$$ed off as I'd done a good amount of practice and getting some semi-good times.

Hope it goes better for the rest of you.
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« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2006, 09:15:38 PM +0100 »
OMG NO!!!  Angry Just at the end of the formation lap, all cars disappear, then "Connection Lost"!!  Huh AAAAAGH!!!  :'( Boo-hoo.

And what was Bully doing driving a GhostSpeed Team car??  Shocked Huh  Angry  I noticed halfway through qualifying but didn't want to A) ruin his qualifying by forcing him to get another car and B) ruin anyone else's qualifing with disturbing chat.  Please don't drive the team cars unless you are on the team!  [But I think Team GS is flattered that you picked our wonderful paint scheme out of all the others.... Wink ]

Well, I really was looking forward to this race.  Damn techies.   Tongue

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« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2006, 09:48:21 PM +0100 »
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Couldn't even get in to race, hung up loads and then just kept loading the same 4 guys, managed to get out at the end of qualy, but had the same problem in the garage - kept loading the same 4 guys.  No sound if I made it onto track.  Really pi$$ed off as I'd done a good amount of practice and getting some semi-good times.

Hope it goes better for the rest of you.

I had the same thing. keeped loading the same 4 drivers
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« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2006, 09:52:27 PM +0100 »
oh johnny not that excuse again...... Wink

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE RS MOTORSPORTS GUYS  Grin
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« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2006, 09:53:50 PM +0100 »
WOW, wot a race Grin. Thanks Ribeiro and Moonman. Good race, Sorry to the little touch Ribiero Shocked, had to wait for you, was my fault. So, well happy with a 10th to 6th. Cheesy

Cheers for the good racing. and well done Pero.
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