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NGT Sprint Cup - Season 3, Round 4 at Donington Park

Date: Tuesday 6th June

Practice 1: 8:30pm (10 mins)
Practice 2: 8:40pm (5 mins)
Qual 2: 8:45pm (28 mins)
Warmup: 9:13pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:15pm (40 mins)

Cars allowed: Ferrari 360, Porsche 911 GT3-RS, Porsche 911 Bi-Turbo, Mosler, Vertigo or Morgan. (Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M, Porsche GT3 Cup are allowed but will not score points.)
Weather: Dry

Server: UKGTR NGT Sprint S3
Password: Server Password is shown in the Password Board (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=20.0) and is available to the relevant registered drivers.

Notes:
(1) Full-time drivers should aim to arrive during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should not connect to the server until Practice 2.
(3) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(4) See  UKGTR Sprint Season 3 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=21) for general Season 3 info.
(5) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(6) The season will be run using a UKGTR carpack which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1235.msg17247#msg17247).

Christ, what a disaster that was.

Manged to clip [RSms]Andy into the hairpin on lap 1, then went off on lap 2, trying to get off the racing line I gave Edza nowhere to go but into me.

Apologies guys, totally my fault :(

Dunno what's wrong with me at the moment, i can't seem to finish a race  :-[

I gotta discuss some things with my hardware and my software and myself. Was training before race (open training, alone on track), made 1.32.4. Got 1.32.9 in quali session - ok, a bit of excitement, not clean laps, lots a ppl (great turnout  :clap: ). Then in race, the car was behaving ... don't know. Sometimes understearing, sometimes overstearing, once fronts locked up, then rears. I got a blue flag every time I passed Old Hairpin - even if noone was around. After about a half race of constant losing positons, lousy grip and whatever I got fed up with it. Too bad, as I really like this circuit.  >:(

TT

Just wanna say thanks to all the guys for using my car as a pinball, much appreciated >:(. I got rammed off again, this time in lap 1 (what a sursprise). [...]
Had to push hard to get back up the field and blew up 15 minutes before the end.

Man, am I annoyed right now. These races are supposed to be fun, but with some kamikaze pilots out there it's more likely to take the blood under your nails.

[Edited by the We Don't Discuss Incidents In Public We Report Them And You Bl**dy Well Know That By Now Society]

Sorry Gents. Put in a bad performance. Yesterday 1:32- 1:33's no problem. Today no chance. At the start I cliped the back of someone on the start finish straight. For that I appologise. Is it neccesary to get round the final corner then the first guys to back everyone up. Oh and Ruskus, If A. Nother-Driver slowed you up. Why nopt overtake?????

Thanks all. Catch you at Anders

[No no no no no We DO NOT DISCUSS INCIDENTS IN PUBLIC]

Exciting race for me, wasnt pleased with my quali as a 32.3 is my pb but could only manage a 33.6 , had loads of understeer for some reason ???.
Spun on third lap of race at coppice which put me back to 24th or 25th i think , Couldnt get any temperature into the front tyres and they only started to come in on lap 15.
Battled back to 10th in the end which was good fun. :)
Tires were brand new at the end ,they were better on lap 25 than they were on lap 5, need to do some set up work me thinks.

Grats to Emmo on the win and appolgies to Gerald for pulling out on him after i spun , i thought there was enough room fo you to go behind me, sorry mate.

Don't think it was me this time!!

Enjoyed that - qualified 28th (I think) after very little practice on this circuit, but had a steady first 25 minutes, sensible laps getting quick bit by bit, and avoiding trouble.  This brought me up to around 19th where I had a good tussle with a couple of guys until I spun as tyre wear kicked in and that carried on to the end of the race - even when I was trying to take it steadier (slower).

Nonetheless, with the retirements etc I finished 19th, and after qualifying that was a good result for me.

Cracking turnout, shame a few guys had a bad race....

What a race. From 20th to 27th back to 13th  :)

Got punted off in the first lap, rejoined almost last and tried to fight my way back up again. I would like to apoligize to the driver I rearended in the Esses in lap 3. I tried to avoid you but I locked up :(

Finished 13th, so I'm happy :)

Dude, don't blow it up. All I said is that you held me up, but I was unable to overtake you. I had to avoid a crash at some point because you braked much earlier than me. That cost me lot's of time on the guys infront. I'm not saying you held me up by unacceptable driving, not at all. It was just that I was quicker at some corners, but the lack of power in the 360 made it impossible for me to overtake you. Nor did I try a kamikaze move on you. I just stayed behind you hoping for a mistake.

So instead of twisting my words, why not PM me to ask me what I meant.

No idea how I finished 3rd. Another consistent no mistakes race I guess. Qualified 6th and just drove at my own pace trying not to do anything silly. Didn't really battle with anyone after the first few laps. Paul chased me down in the last few laps but I had it under control and eased off a little with 2 to go to take a podium and much needed points for Team Shark.

I also had the blue flags in the first 10 or so minutes at the old hairpin. No idea what that was about, was quite irritating. There was a bit of warp going on at the start, not a lot, but a little.

No worries Pops, I'm in this series for the enormous amount of fun that it gives me (having given up on trying to emulate the aliens out there - you know who you are  :laugh: )

Had lots of laughs and spins....and some quite remarkable laps for me (or so I thought at the time - might just check the laptimes when they're published  :dots:)
Still, got somewhere around 19th in the end I think....me happy chappy!

Great turnout, not sure if the last race had as many but I did suffer some intermittant lag every few laps - it was pretty bad for the first 5 laps then seemed to disappear and then came back toward the end for two different laps - was that due to people leaving at the end or the sheer load at the start?

Anyway, cheers all for a great race, hope I didn't slow any of you too much lapping me.

I must ask what the hell happened at the start, everyone shot off out the last turn then the leader slows right down and nearly causes a massive accident.....

I thought the leader should group the grid up before the start finish, like two corners before

Check the replay it was close....

Really enjoyed that race, fantastic racing from start to finish with numerous other fast guys along the way.  8)

Qually was very tough, just couldnt get a clean lap for ages due to traffic or mistakes then got it all together to set a couple of quick times and a new PB of 1:32.8...yeehaw. :angel: Better than that, i actually pipped my arch rival Truetom for a change...revenge for all the times he has done it to me  :P and qualied 7th place.

Race started well, stuck in a sarnie with Shark in front and TT behind. All was well for a few laps then the bloody back end broke away unexpectedly on the uphill right turn and i had to sit and watch in a slow half spin as several cars shot past   :'( Shame as i really wanted to have a good little battle with my friendly rivals  :-[

Anyway, rejoined in 13th and set about catching the pack in front. Paul968 had also had a half spin and the pair of us began to cut through the pack of cars moving up about 5-6 places until i caught up with TT, only to run wide at the bottom of craners whilst watching my mirrors. Managed to do that twice, both times when i got near TT....his face must put me off  ;D

The last quarter of the race was pure hard adrenaline racing as i diced with the RSM guys and Mo for lap after lap, eventually getting past both individually on the nasty tight hairpin turn near end of lap. Mo then retired a little later and i was left to fend off the hard chasing RS guy in another porker...fortunately his tyres seemed as worn as mine and i held on to bring it home in 6th place which i am very pleased with considering the talent on display tonight and the full (fantastic) grid. :angel-wings:  :rockon:

Great racing.  8)

ps forgot to add...most scary moment of the race was plunging down into the thick black smoke of Ruskus blown engine in craners whilst flat out in 5th gear !! :o ....reminded me of the F1 Coulthard in Monaco crash a couple of years ago  :eek:  Glad i got through it unscathed  :-*

now statement to my race !

I enjoyed the race hell of a lot ! thx for the race ! grats to the Top 3 !
thx to Ruskus and Rich_A giving me a interesting race !
I was sweating like mad !

After the warmup lap I was real confused seeing, leaving the final turn before s/f line the field was the whole way up, so I accelerated cause of thinking everybody was pushing away. Then suddenly the whole front of me braked, I hardly braked down and managed to not hit anybody !

I think I was 12 after the start then........had to avoid peep spinning around, then I think it was lap 3,4 or 5 when Ruskus showed up in my mirror !
we had a hard battle for some laps until I outbreaked myself, he passed me but got hit by some other driver.
then I was following a Mosler and [RSms] RS with a 2 sec gap a while.
Rich showed up a couple of laps later, we had some close racing for some laps until he spun....when he was gone Ruskus showed up again....pushing me into a mistake !

just half a lap later the sky was going black............Jeff blew the engine......from then on I had some time to rest, bout 5 mins, until Rich showed up again and was pushing me until the end of the race.............sweating like a wild cow I managed to stay in front of him !

great race , thx !

I almost forgot about that - I had the guy in the pits calling the blue flag on me from the start to about six laps in!
Now while I may be used to that particular call ;D, I deffo think something was going a slight bit astray there......

Any idea guys? Did it happen anyone else?

sorry Jeff, so I just lost it in translation !

I enjoyed the racing with you today !  ;D ;D
hard and clean IMO !

looking forward to the next one !

You might want to consider more carefully what you write too as I've just had to go and edit the first few of these posts because they could be so very easily misinterpreted. >:(

A big positive for me, and hopefully picking up my first points of the sprint season :balloon: HOORAY!
PB during quali and a fairly clean race, makes me a happy Boy :)

Why? That was my race report. I did not point any fingers. If people felt like I was talking to them, then they probably don't have a clean sheet.

"I got held up really badly by NAMED DRIVER" is almost bound to be taken as an ad hominem attack. "I just couldn't find a way past NAMED DRIVER" would've been far less open to misinterpretation.

The fact that NAMED DRIVER did take offence would rather suggest that it was taken to be an accusation and not a statement of fact, wouldn't you say.

That and the "oh carp, WW3's about to kick off" thread in the mods area! ::)

Yup, it was a bad word choice. But why does being held up have a negative sound to it. I can be held up, but why would that suggest that I disgree by that happening. Because of an incident at the beginning of the race, I was down the field. I was catching up with the guys infront. Untill I reached (...). He drove a good defensive line, so my times dropped. In other words, I was being held up to procede on my dash to the top 5. Absolutely no negative thought behind it. Just a (bad) way to describe a fact.

Don't worry Adam. Althought it was close ;D. You were in the Coppice corner and I was about to overtake you. But therer was a bump in the road there, so I passed you a bit closer than I wanted :o. That put a smile on my face, because after that I was like: How is it possible ;D

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Donington%20-%20NGT%20Sprint%20S3%20060606.zip) and provisional results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=127) posted

I'm too slow, i was just writing that and a sneaky Picnic beat me to it.  :P :notworthy:

Unofficial lapchart (http://www.tyfdesk.com/simracing/ruskus/lapcharts/NGT Donnington GTR.htm)


P.S. Is there a maximum amount of folders on you FTP Tyf. I had to delete an older lapchart to host this one. ???

Intersting race to say the least, well from the cars performance point of view.  Picked up some aero damage on the formation lap which affected the car for the whole race, made it a right pig at times.  Relieved to finish 5th in the end, could have been a bit better with an undamaged car but there we go.

Greg. Sorry mate. I think it was me that cought your rear end just after last corner on start finish straight. Everyone appeared to be going for it then all slowed. Tried desperately to avoid you. Do appologise!

Just as a suggestion all. Might we want to back the pack up before the last corner?????
Just to avoid any start probs.

Disscuss...........

Have to say from my position in 6th Emmo drove the start finish straight very consistently, we were all nicely spaced and steady pace. I've looked at the replay and it's actually quite difficult to tell what went wrong from 8th downwards. I know there was a bit of lag/warp at the start which may have contributed to cars suddenly getting closer than they first appeared.

I'm sure Mo will have fun moderating this one and will review the formation lap and final few turns to see what can be learned.

Well tonight was a bit of a disaster for me so we won't go there  :-[

I too suffered from the spurious blue flag warnings but I had these at Brno so was almost ready for them. The timing to the car infront was also all over the shop, jumping by 6 plus seconds around some parts of the lap. I've seen strange timing issues like this on 3rd party tracks, Le Mans springs to mind, perhaps I've just not noticed it on the official circuits.

I think it also has something to do with max visible cars settings.....

The lap chart dosent work :( ???

Htm file lijkt leeg!?

T

Edit: LOL, this should have been a PM :). Translation: Htm file looks empty ;)

It was using the phrase "held up" in conjunction with "really badly". Anyway, subject closed.

Oh btw, whilst we're on the subject of 24 visible cars/drivers in a race, now that the server can hold more I think the following section needs changing in the rules...
https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7 - Championship Format, which states places down to 24th. I guess we should say 36th now? (Very minor I know)

(I'm guessing that's what the 24th place was about (the number server could hold))

I actually had visible cars on 104 on my old system and new 1 as well. Doesn't make a huge impact and ur sure to never 'miss' any1 :D.

T

Lol, yeah, it's weird. The normal files are on the FTP, but still it doesn't show anything.

The NGT Donington GTR.htm file is size ZERO. Guess you need to upload it again.

Was a good race, i'm still learning F360 only done a handful of races in it.. I should have realized this and not pushed so hard to keep pace with CJ and Emmo but got a right whip lash into T1. I just can't believe that these cars are for real when the differential can be such a volatile thing. Anyhow, F360 seems like a good car but will take all of this season to learn it proper.

I'm sure the server can handle 30+ cars but I don't think GTR can handle it. Thinking back to WOSEC I do vaguely remember the same thing happening and it was a P4 3ghz 100mb server. Maybe blue flags can be disabled? If not i'd try lowering max slots, maybe start with 26 and go up from there..

Could try MULTI Flag Rules="1" // Level of rule enforcement, 0=none, 1=black flags only, 2=all

Or try on 26 and keep blue flags.

I think you may well be right about the game not being able to handle that many drivers.  :-\ :-[

The server is already set to Black Flags only. All flags only means include Full Course Cautions as well. Blue flags are not part of "those" flags I believe.

I can easily ignore the blue flag problem, I just close my ears.............. ;D ;D

Thinking about it I got a blue flag at the old hairpin for a bout 10 laps running last night, then suddenly it stopped.

Couldn't quite match the 31 I'd managed offline and started 5th. After a bit of confusion at the loop I was foillowing Ruskas on lap 2 when I missed my braking point into the esses and shunted us both off. Really sorry m8  :oops: Strangely it was exactly what happened to me as the victim last week in the GTs - same corner, even same lap I think. Then I got hit as I recovered, but I get the feeling this might have been down to my car not being visible as it looks very odd on the replay. Rejoined in 13th and spent the rest of the race working my way back up. Had a great tussle for many laps with RS until he went off under the pressure, and spent the last few laps closing in on Simon without ever having much chance of catching (let alone passing) him. Quite happy to finish in 4th though all things considered. Well done to to the the front 2 for such bistering pace and to Simon for another consistent drive in the Mosler.

Paul

Well I had an interesting race.....

At start 3 or 4 of us nearly took everyone out at the front as there must have been a big gap between the first few and us and after accelerating out of the last turn we found a bunch of almost stationary cars at the start finish line, thankfully we all managed to miss each other and the race commenced... All was fine until the tight chicane where there was some coming together in front, there were cars and smoke everywhere so I went for a 'Days of thunder' number and went for the gap and shut my eyes and came out the other side wobbly but unscathed and after another couple of laps was up to about 5th following Greg. At this point I felt I could go much faster but was constantly looking behind as 'MO' was always there, just waiting for a mistake.... When it finally came 'MO' went the same corner, maybe he was distracted by the fact that I had a real problem stopping the car, I think this also happened later on in the race, apologies if I was unpredicatable, you should of seen what it was like driving it

Can't really remember what happened mid race other than 'Paul968' catching me up, he was faster but not too difficult to keep behind as the Ferrari's straight line speed is no match for the Porsche but still I had the problem of not being able to stop, eventually I messed up and he went through, along with my teammate with Ruskus attached to his rear. I followed them for a few laps until 'Grinsomat' was a bit heavy with the right foot at the hairpin and spun to let 'Ruskus' through. I then proceeded to watch Ruskus blow up on the Craner curves big styli completely covering the track in thick black smoke, he pulled off quickly but I still had no idea where I was going so I slowed and went straight until it cleared, unfortunately during this time 'Marko' had caught up with me and sat behind for a while until yet AGAIN I couldn't stop and he went through.

We had done quite a bit of practice for Donington but come the race it was like driving with someone else’s setup I have no idea what was wrong but late in the race I found I had brake bias on the wheel and tried changing it to the rear and it seemed to help a bit and I started to make some ground on 'Marko' then the race finished.

I was a bit gutted with 7th as I think forth would have been to hard with no mistakes and driving the car I seemed to practiced in....

Good racing by all I was sweating the whole race, thank god I winged it to 7th with everyone else’s misfortunes...

RS

Hi That blue flag bu***rd me up as I was pulling wide to let cars through that were behind me not lapping. Minton would you be dale ? minton that race d in mod saloons as if so we have met . I did not drive mod saloons I was fully modified sports cars but used to help build several saloons or parts for them in the 80's Derek Hales rover Vitess, Robin Hood Escort , Brian Randall Sierra. It was such a wiered evening I forgive everything of every one. trouble with the blue flag job is that it distracts the driver. cheers gerald

From several post (including mine) I got the impression, that the cars were behaving differently than while practicing. How can that be possible? Could it be connected with more cars on server? Sorry if its a dumb question, I'm a hardware noob. Richs knowledge is like a medieval magic for me (Saruman!  :sorcerer: ).  ;D

TT

Hey don't worry Trutom I have asked this question many a time before else where also, I am positive that the car can handle differently and not just coz of temps which were up in the race.....

RS

WOT!? ??? LOOOL!

I thought the rich people needed an Escort to protect them from Robin Hood?

/me is all confuzzled now! :P

T

My uncle is Dale ,  my dad Steve and him used to race in  special saloons and Thundersaloons in the 80,s and 90,s in the escort in my avatar. ;)

"Dale Minton"... must... resist... obvious... joke... :P

We had this crop up on TPG We think there are a few reasons for this

Regarding Grip level.

You will experience it everytime, with each start of a session the grip level changes. it also chneges if you play Pract 2 on a server, leave it and rejoin it. if now Practice 2 starts again, grip level can be very difficult.

We're talking about Live track technology. Let's say we have 10 ppl without any problems, all doing clean and fast laps, grip level will be very high. if we now have 20 ppl with some not hitting the line perfectly, or being offtrack, grip level won't be any good.

 if only 1 person gots trouble with his connection, bad ping to server or anything else, the whole grid will have trouble then

A track is never the same. Often the track conditions get worse when time progresses in race. Dust of people flying off, driving different lines and too much rubber on the racing line are a few reasons why it could differ. And to be honoust, I love the fast that that is ingame. If you can drive every lap on autopilot then there is no fun.

Edit: whitham beat me to it :)

Ok, fine. I was worried that my driving wheel was playing tricks again - which could also be as well.  :)

On to next.  :thumbup1:

TT

PMSL  ;D

Racing trollies lo

LTT works a bit diffrent !

It doesen`T matter which line 10 or 20 drivers go, LTT in GTR is time based ! sad but true ! it doesen`T matter when you pull of the racing line !
Every session the girp level changes, for example, at the beginning of the race weekend in practice 1 you will have less grip ( a bit slower times ) than in Qually 2, where you have hte most grip ( fastest laptimes possible ) .

Let`s say everybody in a race out of 10 drivers is driving 1 corner completely diffrent to the racing line, which means not the optimum line.
Still the grip level will be the best on the racing line even though you didn`t drive on that line !
This was discussed a very long time ago on RSC, maybe someone feels bored and tries to find the thread, I don`T feel bored ...lol

also the temps of air and track are changing and will give you everytime a bit diffrent feeling on how the car behaves !

also if you have got a racing setup which you tested for let`S say 10 laps, but you are using it for 30 laps, it might happen that the car feels diffrent from lap 20 cause of wearing out tires, fading brakes, grip level of the track and changing temps !

there are so many things that influence the whole car/setup..........

well well Minton isnt it a small world.cheers gerald

Hehe, like the orange writing! ;D

Certainly is mate! ;)

i'm happy i won this race since this is one of my favorite tracks. qualy was exciting, the track was very crowded but near the end i could manage a clean lap. after that i kept an eye on claus to see if he could better it, but luckily he just came short  ;D

i tried to keep my pace as steady as possible in the warm up lap, but it seems it still gave problems down the field at the start/finish straight. first race lap is always tricky and at the chicane i braked just a bit too late to make it into the corner, that gave teamie claus some problems since he lost speed because of that too and had to defend his 2nd place. after that i knew i had to drive full out to keep claus behind me, luckily my setup felt great and i could keep a 'comfortable' gap of 4/5 secs untill the end.

next up is anderstorp, definately not one of my favorites, cya there  8) 

Thanks for the moderators report Mo but I fail to see how people are not punished unless it is reported.... You gave Paul 968 a 3 point penalty the biggest I've seen but it doesn't count because no-one reported it. I understand that you can only moderate after the race but to tell everyone in writing that it was a bad manouvre and 3 points should of been deducted then not take them away because it wasn't reported is madness? I would think they felt hard done by....... There was not even a warning !!

The rules have to be seen to be applied evenly throughout the grid........

The details of why we changed the policy can be found in this old post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=592.0).

Ok well that answers that  :)