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Practice: 19:20 (UK London) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (24 laps)
Cars allowed: Any Gr.2 Alfa Romeo, Lotus/Ford Cortina or Ford Mustang.

Drivers please note the following:

This Championship will be formed of four parts (A to D). In each part you must choose a car model (Cortina, Alfa Romeo or Mustang) and stick with it for all the races contained within that part. When a new part starts you may either elect to keep your current choice or change it. Below are the track details of each of the four parts. The three events that separate the four parts are Mini only races.

PART A

Snetterton
Knockhill
Donington Park

PART B

Castle Combe
Cadwell Park
Thruxton

PART C

Oulton Park International
Crystal Palace
Mondello Park

PART D

Brand Hatch GP
Mallory Park
Anglesey
Silverstone GP

Track: Snetterton 2005 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_snetterton)
Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Weather: DRY (see note below)
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

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Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=350&theme=34)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race.

Weather
A weather site will be consulted on the Sunday afternoon before the race and if rain is forecast, for the race location, then expect a wet weather race. Rain will be set at 80% unless the forecast is for light showers in which case a 40% setting will be used.

What if snow is forecast?  ;D

The race formats for the comming P&G season look great. I like the fact, that you have the chance to race both the small cars ( my favorites ) and the musclecars.

As always, you have planned far ahead Tony, and I'm sure we all appreciate that.

Very nice work Tony

Stig

Please, let's not forget Matt who will supply the proverbial sandwich filling to my two slices

I've already asked Buckingham to speed up the proceedings on Matt's MBE (http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2001/11/20/Beatles03.jpg)

Stig

Tony is too modest.
I am only owning the P&G name mostly so he doesn't end up being "responsible" for
everything in the known universe  ;)
My middle series will need dual nationality, or previous 007 experience.  ::)

So this means OK for the Mustang BSCC as well as Mustang TA correct ?

Stig

Since the BBC are saying heavy rain for Thursday I guess that you are going to ruin this race by making it wet.

To be perfectly honest, my first instinct is to do something else on Thursday.

Since the default British weather forecast, and safest bet for the Met Office, is always for rain I think that this series could be a bit of a washout.

With the risk of being quarantined from SBRC's annual christmas-party, I'd like to say, that I strongly disagree on this matter.

It will be fun to try something new, and if you put on soft wet tyres, you'll find it's not that different. Perhaps the grip is too good to be realistic.
I just tried the Mustang in 80 % rain, and it wasn't difficult to drive. In fact I find Snetterton / dry a bit dull, so I welcome the extra spice added.

Stig

Any Mustang you find in Group 2 you can drive.

Yeah except I took Sundays forecast WHICH WAS FOR DRY. Which is why the race announcement now says DRY.

Oh, and thanks for sharing your enthusiasm. Maybe you can run this from now on because quite frankly I'm sick of all the whinging.

Wet tyres are not a viable option. There only included in the tyre selection menu cos there hard coded into GTR2 and the P&G boys couldn't lose them. P&G doesn't have a wet tyre option. They didn't have such things in the 60's. I take it you never downloaded the tyre document from the P&G site?

If you look at Sunday's weather on Sunday is that actually a forecast?

I originally read it in line with your intention but was then persuaded otherwise.

Sorry Clive, you caught me in the middle of a perfect storm of a carp day yesterday.

Calm has returned today.

I see how my intentions regarding the weather thing were missunderstood. It was clear in my head but I should have explained it better.

I saw Thursdays racing as actually occurring in a virtual kinda way on a Sunday afternoon. Hence my alluding to using the actual weather as forecast for that region on the Sunday before the race.

I also found a site that forecasts weather specifically for Motorsport tracks and has more detail than the dear ol Beeb.

So to clarify. Thursdays races take place on Sundays. Sundays weather occurs on Thursdays. There, that's all clear now isn't it  ??? ::) ;D

Is there any seasonal car enforcement in this series or free for all? I always think we should pick a car and do the season with it. As you know what happens...big v8's for fast tracks, Alfas for twisties  ::). I would make whoever takes a Stang for somewhere like Snett, also has to use it somewhere tight and narrow  >:D
Or maybe make it be used for 2 or 3 rounds consecutively before another car change? It would have the advantage of narrowing down the performance window whilst also helping drivers become more familiarised/handy with that particular car.
Would be right with the spirit of a P&G touring car season  :)
just my two cents...ignore as usual  ;)

Do you never look here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=350&theme=34) for details of future races?
Nice idea MJ. Let me have a think on it.

MJ your idea is growing on me  :)

In fact I'm going to incorporate it into this series, thanks for the input  :thumbup1:

Watch for a revision to the race announcement!  :yes:

aha! scorn and praise in the same response...i like it  ;D

I wouldnt want to put off anyone from attending though, with these dark days of empty sim grids  :'(, so if people feel that strongly that they should always choose the racing winning car, then so be it. Its just not 'British'  :euro:  ;)

One other thing, while i'm on a roll  :P  It would also be beneficial to the racing if we always excluded variants of a car that are out of sync timeline wise with the rest of the cars available. ie if 2 or 3 of the cars are '65 vintage, dont allow a '68 version of it (or another car type) to be chosen. 2-3years evolution of a race car is normally a heck of an advantage! Better tyres, better handling, more bhp etc. It seems a no-brainer, but we've always allowed it to happen, and the net result is drivers will always pick the newest car as they know it has an advantage. (like the white/orange stripe e-type, white z06 etc).

Sounds like a very good idea indeed.

Stig

Since the Alfa is better in the wet than the Cortina and the Mustangs steer like boats even before it rains; the only logical choice is the Alfa.

So if I make it, look for the big red TransAm. 

Scorn? No surely not  ;) I think I'll keep the car choices as is for the time being MJ. I know what you mean regarding some cars having a better setup/tyre choice etc but I'm happy to let drivers choose what they want. Are there that many cars in the Gr.2 catagory that your comments would apply to?

Oh I do hope you make it. Wouldn't be the same without you  :angel: (and it will be dry, promise).

Please read the new revised race announcement guy's.

no i was thinking more of the other classes with my second point.

I hope that drivers still take their car of choice and now dont all jump into the Alfa as its possibly the best all rounder? Ya cant win, can ya really? Ah well, we try.
(also might add, being married to an Italian and an Alfa (as well as 911 :) ) owner, i might also be obliged to take an Alfa as i love 'em, but then always have a soft spot for the Mk1 Cortinas too  8)

There is a 1275 Mini that fits the bill. It's the yellow Britax one that Ade always takes. We'll barr that'un.

Right on ... let's get the men seperated from the boys . . . . .  takes a fully grown man to tangle with big-block V8's,  ;)

Stig

I like the restricted car choice :) In any case, I will have to jump this race, and my champ will start from Donington Knockhill;)

(http://www.onthemountain.ch/images/salomon-mustang2012_big.jpg)

This is the Mustang's model in which I feel more comfortable  ;D ;D I don't know if it's allow to drive with these one  ;D

Cu :)

Since I'll be away skiing during the Knockhill round, the logical choice for Snetterton & Donnington is the Mustang. I'll probably be in the Alfa :)

John, you should be given a wheelbarrow instead to slow you down a bit !  :P Likewise, insisting Manteos wears those ski's whilst driving may slow him a tad too  ;D

Glad others like the restricted car choice too  :)

Tony/Matt, did you advertise the new series elsewhere too? No-grip/other race leagues etc? Worth a punt. I know many p&G drivers seem to check in to the No-grip P&G forum regularly...looking for news of the mythical P&G3  :'(

Yes, but not with any great success. Some sites no longer run P&G at all.

We would certainly appreciate anyone posting on our behalf if you happen to be visiting other sim-racing sites please  :yes:

Tony, post the race in the P&G forum at NG,

http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105

& also in the 'Anyone need a racer' forum at SRMZ.

http://srmz.net/index.php?s=1a37e489162702c586756b3b9f18c855&showforum=146

We managed to pull in a few extra drivers for our P&G races at NG by doing that.

Done and added Gamers Crib and Sim Junkies

bit tardy on the timing boards for this one gents

1:25.4 in Lotus cortina for me so far. Feels great fun around here.
1:24.8 Mustang (in just 3 laps!) Think this car will dominate Snett.

Not with John in the Alfa it won't!  ;D

1.24.5 in the Alfa so far but only 1.28.9 in the Mustang for me.
Think I'll stay with the Alfa, although I don't know most of the British tracks
so I'm not sure whether that's a good decision.

Anyway - fun is what counts even though I finish in last place.  ;D

1:23.9 in the Alfa for me. (after just a handful of laps). Think its got about 10bhp over the cortina which helps with the straights here, but still think a well driven stang will monster the field.

Don't count on it  :P

The tyrewear is a major problem for the Mustangs, at least when old Hotkeys tries to muscle them around.

24 laps on this track is OK ( I hope ), but 36 laps at Knockhill will probably force me to make a pitstop and change the front tyres.


I can match Johns GTA times in the Mustang, unless he pulls off his usual stunt and peels off another ½ sec of his laptime in the quali ;)


Stig

Hope I actually remember this tonight - I like the weather idea, have always wondered why we never race in the wet as it's so much more fun  ;D

Doubt I'll ever convice anyine into a wet race at the 'Ring in IROC's though  ;)

Will be a DRY race...  :D

Lap times are probably academic as what usually happens is that one of the over enthusiastic rollerskate drivers will clout the Mustang clean off the track when it finds it "parked" in a corner.  This then comes as a complete surprise to said rollerskate driver as he apologises profusely and waits for his victim to recover.  Whilst the rest of the field scamper off into the distance never to be seen again!  ::)

ever the optimist Clive  :D  i thought the roller skates normally bounce off the stangs heavy sides?  :-\

Hopefully the first lap can be a bit cleaner than last weeks opening disaster  ::)

Hi guys,

Can I just turn up and drive, or do I need to register? Been offline for a bit and feel like getting back behind the wheel.

Les

You can turn up and drive Les, and are very welcome  8)
You already are registered here, that's all you need.

Welcome Les

Lost the tarmac after 4 laps, got back in the race and the lost connection to the server  >:(

Stig

Good opening round of the new TC season, nice mix of cars and okay-ish turnout  :)

Half way through qually i kept thinking of jumping into a Cortina instead as could see i would be closer to others on times, but knowing how iffy P&G can be sometimes for leaving and returning into an online game, i stayed with the Alfa.

Race soon showed i should have gone for the cortina as i finished about 28 secs behind the Stang posse up front and 28+ secs in front of my nearest challenger behind (also in an Alfa). Could have enjoyed a race long battle with Matt, Les and Saandjoir probably.
As it turned out, i had a lonely race from lights to flag. Kept it clean and consistent and finished a solid 5th behind the Mustangs and uber-John  :)
Congrats to grumpy Clive for his race win  ;D

Would the Alfa junior be better matched with the cortinas etc?  Maybe ban the Transam version of the Mustang too  :-\  (all in the interests of closing the field).

LOL
You sure you are not related to Jean-Marie Balestre?

He used to like changing the rules whilst the event was actually running?   ;D

Yes, that's enough from you MJ or the gimp mask goes back on.

Oh yes, replay and results now posted.

I wouldn't worry Mark, three of the four Mustang drivers won't be able to take the Transam next race because of the handicap system  ;D

Handicap System!?

What chuffin' handicap system?

Thought I was in the TransAm until after Donington. (Unless it rains)

eheh, no worries, did think after i posted it, that i might be taking the car tweaking too far  :P  I'll go back to my corner  ;)

Keep calm and carry on  ;D

Read the thread for race 2 Clive:

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10076#event3063

You will have to drive the BSCC Mustang at the next race. Not too bad, any Cortina driver who gets in the top 6 will have to race the GT in the next race, & that is sloooooooooooooooow.

 :lol: Your in a Mustang till after Donington (unless it rains).

I hadn't read those rules  :-[
It could be argued I now have a tiny advantage over my fellow 'stang drivers due to the added experience  :D

Good to see John gets a 1300 aswell as it'll increase my chances even further (Unless it rains)  :ninja:

Good grief!

What are the chances of anyone turning up in the right car at Round 2?

@Tim  I did about eleventy million laps of Snet in the BSCC before Stig pointed out that the TA had an extra 18bhp.  ;D

Hard luck on Stig last night btw.

I thanked John last night for keeping Geoffers busy but thinking about it I probably need to thank Geoffers for keeping John busy too.  Tim rear ending John helped both Geoffers and me.  ;D

I had my TA on its top ratio and realised that I would have to rev the nuts off it before dropping the clutch when the light went green.
That did the trick and let me get to T1 in the lead.

At the end of the straight on lap one I braked a bit late on race fuel and cold tyres and went a bit deep.  That made me a bit slow at mid-corner and I donated a brake light to Geoffers' collection.  The nudge caused him more problems than me and opened up a car length or so of gap so that I never had to worry about anyone in my mirrors.

John set about Geoffers and I was able to open up a gap, which got to about 9 seconds at one point.  I lost a bit of time just by bad luck of where I encountered back markers but everyone was very gentelmanly about letting me through.  Many thanks.

Not a great fan of Knockhill and the Mustang would not normally be my choice but the grunt should be useful coming up the hill past the pits after the hairpin.  Glad I'm not in a 1300!  ;D

Hope to see you all next week for a nice dry race at Portland. 

Nice review Clive. I know what you mean about luck where you meet us backmarkers. Hopefully we don't hold you faster types up too much.

BTW I wonder if Clive's read about the handicapping for Portland yet  :whistling:

so, its as i thought, we stick with our current car until after Donington (ie 3 rounds), then we can change? But what i didnt know is the change is also restricted by our results?

I would only hamper the 'fast' cars of the group (ie transam, Alfa GTA, westlake), as making someone in a cortina drive say a slower variant of it wont do much for their enthusiasm!

I had; just depends how much you have changed it.

Yes It isn't

Anyone capable of getting a manky old Cortina up the sharp end needs all the slowing down that you can muster!

The Lotus Cortina is a matter of "seconds" faster than the standard variety as I recall so that should do nicely!

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/SnettJan12/)

Great race. Really like those boxy Cortina's. 1st and 2nd corner are good at this circuit. You are really punished on the backstraight when you mess up those corners especially in the Cortina. Hate those last chicane mainly because of my inability to carry any speed through it..

Had some splendid battles with Tony (nearly took you out at the end of the straight  :o ).
Think I stick with the little Cortina throughout the series.

Thanks for the lapchart Alex !

BTW - how do you make this?

I'm half tempted to stick with the Gp2 Stang all season, It's good fun and I can't wait for it to rain so I get my drift on!  ;D

I'm using an application which is called Autosim Analyzer (v1.65). The analyzer uses the result files which are available when you download the race's replay.
It's been around for quite some years but the creators (autosim.ru) do not seem to update/support it anymore. It does not help either that their site is in Russian  ;D

Funny enough Google does not give a clear site where you can (more or less) safely download this software.
I could post a link (it appears to be freeware) but I do not know if this is allowed by the admins...

Thanks Alex - a short google search delivered a working mediafire link  :)

http://www.mediafire.com/?yninugzvt2v (http://www.mediafire.com/?yninugzvt2v)