UKGTR - Le Mans (Sarthe) - Jun 15

[Mark J]

If there's one thing I really dislike in a multiclass racing, it's letting faster class cars go by, only to have them fall off repeatedly in front of me, costing me yet more time as they pass again and again.

yes totally agree with that, its very blinkin annoying to have your own race screwed up as un-controllable GT1s keep harassing you only to fall off next corner - rejoin, repeat process etc all the time costing you laptimes. It happened for first few laps last night. If you cant control a GT1 dont take it !

We couldn't work out where you'd gone - I didn't notice a "MJ has left" message, I went to check on the standings and you just weren't there.

yeah i got no warning it was going to happen at all, no dodgy warping or stutters, just the 'lost connection' notice in red then appear in the lobby. I checked my internet connection straight away and it was fine. But i had 10 BT engineers shot as an example just in case  

We should make this an annual event !! 

[Busi]

I wish I had practiced a bit more before the race, I've managed a 3:42.9 in the Lambo (standard one, dunno if it is different to the one in the carpack), even if I wasn't gonna keep the pace that would've been pole position lol

We had some good battles tonight in H@L's server

[psuedo]

If there's one thing I really dislike in a multiclass racing, it's letting faster class cars go by, only to have them fall off repeatedly in front of me, costing me yet more time as they pass again and again. 

yes totally agree with that, its very blinkin annoying to have your own race screwed up as un-controllable GT1s keep harassing you only to fall off next corner - rejoin, repeat process etc all the time costing you laptimes. It happened for first few laps last night. If you cant control a GT1 dont take it !

Awwww, cum on chaps. ....the weather wasn't all that good you know....I think everybody (GT1 and GT2) spent some time off track (read the reports...dont forget your own  )...I wonder if it was because they 'couldn't handle the car' or because the weather was a bit dampish.   

[sooty1977]

I think i only had one problem with a gt2 it was at the dunlop bridge section he left me tons of room but i had to
go on completly the wrong line so ended up going cross country for a while.As it was the same lap i when in the kitty litter i put it down to my bad driving 

[Mark J]

it was very treacherous. Still never sure what tyre is the right one for those various wet conditions. Track said 'Flooded' and raining with storms so surely that should be soft wets all day long  Thats what i started with and were good for first few laps then overheated massively. I kept cooling them a bit by splashing through the puddles offline and they cooled right down when it started to rain again. But as soon as the sky got bluer and track temp rose, they got so hot they turned to glass.
My choice of slicks was too premature so only did one lap on them before re-pitting for the inters. I was really looking forward to see how they would react as have never used them in GTR2 but alas i got Disco'd  :'(
Next time i'll stick with the Hard wets i already had on the car before race start 

Amazing how poor the visibility was with a car or two ahead. The gravel traps on this track certainly work well, much more realistic. We could have done with some French marshalls to push us out 

Such a shame i couldnt complete the race as it looked like an interesting battle with DG and Andy tactically, with us all having to second guess the weather, and in the dry i would have eaten up DG with his 7wing..i had 4 !

[Jeffrey]

Many add-on tracks already cause overheating tyres. Often a tweak to the GDB file must be made to make it more realistic. Something Simon has done in the passed and is being done at other leagues as well. That might be a reason why tyres overheated in these conditions, where they shouldn't have done that normally (at a standard track).

There are a few guidelines to check what tyre to take:
- Flooded is soft wet
- Wet is hard wet
- Clear reflections and massive spray on the track is soft wet
- Blurry reflections on track is hard wet
- And if you're driving with Dunlop tyres, never ever take intermediates, as they are bugged and give you around 50% less grip than you should get with those tyres. But in general, I never saw any use in inters in this game.

I normally still drive with slicks when it has just started to rain or it's drying up. They often give me the best feel.
Also overheating wet tyres aren't too much of a problem, within limits ofcourse. Up to around 130 degrees is still doable. Wets sometimes still give more grip at 130 degress than a slick would do at those times.

[JPS]

Many add-on tracks already cause overheating tyres. Often a tweak to the GDB file must be made to make it more realistic. Something Simon has done in the passed and is being done at other leagues as well. That might be a reason why tyres overheated in these conditions, where they shouldn't have done that normally (at a standard track).

There are a few guidelines to check what tyre to take:
- Flooded is soft wet
- Wet is hard wet
- Clear reflections and massive spray on the track is soft wet
- Blurry reflections on track is hard wet
- And if you're driving with Dunlop tyres, never ever take intermediates, as they are bugged and give you around 50% less grip than you should get with those tyres. But in general, I never saw any use in inters in this game.

I normally still drive with slicks when it has just started to rain or it's drying up. They often give me the best feel.
Also overheating wet tyres aren't too much of a problem, within limits ofcourse. Up to around 130 degrees is still doable. Wets sometimes still give more grip at 130 degress than a slick would do at those times.

Jeff/Gizmo
If the Dunlop Inters are bugged and offer 50% less grip than they should, can this not be corrected in the new season car pack under test at the moment, or is this correction impossible?

Plus if over heating is an issue with third party tracks only, would a test race in the wet be advisable and the necessary corrections made before it is included into the season proper.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Plus if over heating is an issue with third party tracks only, would a test race in the wet be advisable and the necessary corrections made before it is included into the season proper.

Overheating is normally apparent regardless of conditions - Le Mans is a peculiar place because of the very high sustained speeds. I still think there is something suspicious about the disparity between the heating of the front and rear tyres down the Mulsanne...

[Busi]

Plus if over heating is an issue with third party tracks only, would a test race in the wet be advisable and the necessary corrections made before it is included into the season proper.

Overheating is normally apparent regardless of conditions - Le Mans is a peculiar place because of the very high sustained speeds. I still think there is something suspicious about the disparity between the heating of the front and rear tyres down the Mulsanne...

Yeah it's odd, the same happens at the Nordschleife at the long long straight before the last 2 or 3 corners.

[Joss]

If you cant control a GT1 dont take it !

Agreed. I did it too! In those conditions going off line was pretty treacherous and I understeered off at the start of the Mulsanne whilst lapping someone. I agree with MJ but maybe in these conditions, a pinch of salt is required 

There are a few guidelines to check what tyre to take:
- Flooded is soft wet
- Wet is hard wet
- Clear reflections and massive spray on the track is soft wet
- Blurry reflections on track is hard wet
- And if you're driving with Dunlop tyres, never ever take intermediates, as they are bugged and give you around 50% less grip than you should get with those tyres. But in general, I never saw any use in inters in this game.

I was thinking of that when the race started. All set to take Hard Wets all round, but upon seeing "flooded" I thought softs would be fine.   Alas no, softs were great for about half a lap, then the rears were constantly over 130 and peaked at 180.

Normally I'd try to go straight from hard wets to soft/med slicks, but the conditions were odd half way through - very sunny but the track staying pretty wet and no way slicks would work. The inters were perfect for about 3 laps (when I set my best lap) but then it rained heavily again and upon locking up under braking a couple of times, hard wets were the order of the day again.

[Kerr]

I was on soft wets for my first stint. If you ignore the high temperatures they were fine. Wear was what you would expect.   I then switched to inters after my bump, as it was drying and i was expecting it to dry more.          The  car actually felt good but I was about 2 seconds a lap slower. The type pressures were too low though but I could not see where the time was going.   I put soft wets back on for later in the race and car and pace was the same. Having watched the replay the front right of my car was missing so I guess that's why I was losing time.      My experience of soft wets is to ignore the temperature and they are usually fine.

[Jeffrey]

Those guidelines are for standard tracks. Like I said, add-on tracks often suffer from high tyre temp problems and that's why those guidelines won't count on those tracks.

[Reign Man]

After the first stint where I took soft wets, I had Intermediates for the whole of the rest of the race.  They worked really well for me in the wet conditions.

[Mark J]

forgot to ask, did the track ever fully dry out or did it rain again? Would have been cool to see a dry line appear and then have to make that critical stop for drys.

I know this has been touched on before, but what weather utility (if any) do we(you) use for these enduros? Just wondering because we never seem to experience much variation once the race is underway whereas i have raced at other leagues where a race can start dry, then there will be a shower/downpour then it dries out again etc. Makes for a great tactical race.

[Kerr]

forgot to ask, did the track ever fully dry out or did it rain again? Would have been cool to see a dry line appear and then have to make that critical stop for drys.

I know this has been touched on before, but what weather utility (if any) do we(you) use for these enduros? Just wondering because we never seem to experience much variation once the race is underway whereas i have raced at other leagues where a race can start dry, then there will be a shower/downpour then it dries out again etc. Makes for a great tactical race.

It started flooded, dried a good bit but certainly not dry by any means. Still glazed surface.

When the weather goes back and forth between wet and dry a certain amount can be down to tactics, but far too much is down to sheer luck.

End up getting caught out and needing to make an extra pit stop would in most cases ruin your chances of a good result.