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Practice 1:	20:10	(10 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:20	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 mins)
Race:	20:55	(40 minutes)	note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GT2 or GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.6.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: Dry
Track: Hockenheim GP
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: no mandatory stop

Server: UKGTR Lower Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

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Race postponed, initially for two weeks but actual to be confirmed next week. Sorry folks.

Well i'm looking forward to this if no one else is;)

I should be ok too. Hopefully it will finish sharp for me getting into work on time for nightshift.

joy! haha  ;) driven in an RSR so much here cos of GamersCrib #2 server  >:( and thought i had a setup....then mutha....nature (?!) intervenes  :) :-[

lol snow on wed night....do RSRs have snow tyres??

Sprints are always dry, so no need to panic ;)

Just take loads of spare air for those under-inflated tyres.  ;D

No real world weather in Sprints...

lol, didn't even know that, quite worrying since i have been driving sprints for 18 odd months.....every cloud has a silver lining so to speak lol :)

hm... might join you in this one.

so... what's the best handling non-porsche/non-US car out there?  ;D

Out of interest, why dont we have changing conditions in our sprints? I think it should be like a proper race series and have a smattering of wet weather events as well as dry, and also some more ambient times of day?.
It would add to the interest/realism value and throw some more variables into the mix.
I was disapointed sunday when the enduro turned out to be yet another dry race, despite half the western world getting rained on. :(

Because they have always tended to be more an 'arrive and drive' crowd with less preparation than the endurance events.

I don't see why a lack of preparation by some should stop the use of real conditions.  Course, not many races happen when it's snowing!!




I can't make this evenings race anyway ..... or rather, I shouldn't if I know what's good for me .....

Gutted given the standings.....both individually and for the team.

Have a good one gents.

Aaaarggh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was having an absolute blinder of a race after switching from the crappy 350Z to the magical Morgan with a last minute decision. Qualified 3rd in class after hacking a setup together quick smart. The race just got better and better. First I managed to get past Jeff  :o and then I couldn't believe my eyes at the times I was doing and I was actually catching Paul in the lead. Managed to overtake Paul to take the class lead and thought well I can pull away now. ;D A lap later and I just caught the curb wrong or something on T1, couldn't catch the slide and slewed sideways to a halt. Poor old Paul had nowhere to go and slammed into me, letting MR and Jeff past. Got going again, but the car damage was too severe with me unable to get down the straight safely. Sorry to have collected Paul, hope your car wasn't too bad but I suspect it was pretty damaged too. :(

Would have been my first class win and a good race to boot so gutted to have ended that way.

The Morgan is one of only two cars in the game that have that wonderful car control feel to them (the other being the TVR), there is no other car in the game that has that much feel. I'll definately be using the Morgan again and never touching the 350Z with a barge pole.

Another early retirement through damage sustained by contact. :(

Had no front downforce left after someone decided to use my car as an additional brake into the hairpin...five or six 'offs' later I just gave up in frustration.

What a disaster again. I'm getting sick of this over the last few weeks. Another disco.

I was sitting 2nd during qualifying only to see Purdie dissapear from 3rd. Then Baracus also went AWOL leaving me on pole. Purdie sneaked back in and landed 2nd on the grid.

From the 20mins I was racing Purdie was hot on my tail, really close racing. He could pull me in under the brakes into the hairpin and also out of. I must have set 1st gear too high.

Seemed to be 0,3 sec between us at the line every lap. Then heading up to disco I managed for the first time to get the gap to over a second and could stop worrying about being outbraked.

In the middle of the stadium the noise of Purdies car disappeared. I was not sure it was an off, but no after next corner "connection lost". How angry am I?

Was having a fantastic race with Purdie and can only hope my car did not interfere with you or anybody else.

I'm off to work now and will check the result after.

 :cursing: :censored:  no comments 
Congrats to winners.  :)
Nice fight Dave  ;)

Cheers

Not a great race for me, started okay but witnessed some madness ahead early on - reports to be filed. Couldn't hold PRibeiro off early on as I was protecting my tyres a bit but after the madness found myself ahead of him and just about able to hold off a challenge. This track really highlights the big differences in strengths between the front engined cars and the 911 - the former brake earlier but carry more speed into the corners.

After Paul's collection by Shark I eventually caught him and was looking for a way by but got caught out under braking for turn 2 and spun him. Sorry Paul, totally my fault. :-[ Two or three cars passed us as I waited for him to rejoin. Got back on his tail and forced my way up the inside into turn 1 with two laps to go but got a cut warning and had to allow him back past, couldn't get close enough on the final lap but did pick up a place from PRibeiro who was off in the last few corners.

Not a classic but sweaty palm stuff if nothing else.

Shame Brian, really sucks. I drove right through you but luckily for me I survived  :sweatdrop:

Was very happy with my qualification, as there was a 80kg difference between me and most other GTC cars. Paul drove off from the start and I had Simon and Madd to worry about. It was a matter of time before Simon overtook me, and he did, outbraking me at the hairpin. Few times later Madd did the same. I felt like a lamb to the slaughter, being outbraked, outaccelerated and outturned  :-\. However, I could hold on to Madd, with a gap of 0.7s.
That stayed that way almost the whole race. However, in the end the gap increased.
Still content with 2nd in class, and thank god 60kg is maximum....right...please.... :surrender: :helpsmilie:

Grats Purdie on your win  :clap:

Replay and provisional results are available

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Hock LS 13-11-2007/index.html)

What happened to you Pete?

Quite a few discos tonight. My connection has been very poor the last few weeks. I'm going to have to phone my indian friends at sky again. It drops connection on a regular basis now then seconds later ok. Don't know what I can do if anything?      My car felt pretty good for a very quickly thrown together set up. It's a shame that baracus lost out on his pole position, but I was curious why his car was so light as he is leading championship. It would have been nice for a 3 car battle, but purdie gave me more than enough to worry about. Great race and good win. Unlucky too baracus.

No ability, crashed, broke the car couldn't be bother to wait while the pit crew fixed it :'(

Seems like you are having as much luck as me recently Brian :(

After a PC lockup last week, this week my throttle suddenly wouldn't go more than 60% on! Its odd how it happened coz it was literally just after I went wide at T2 in Q (on my own) and when I got it back on track I had no full throttle! I thought at first it was a simulated problem with my car (maybe knocked something off on the kerb) but my PD was also showing it not going fully up!

This was with 3 minutes to go!

I suppose I was lucky to reboot and replug my controllers and rejoin in time - so I could have had worse luck :)

In the race I drove too aggressively which not only wore my tyres out too soon but made me make quite a few little mistakes and a couple of bigger ones. Still it was fun overtaking some cars. I think a lot of people felt sorry for me because there was not much fighting I had to do :)

Until I came to Stewprovo that is!! We had a right good battle for a few laps until he lost the back end in T2. Good scrap :)

Fingers crossed nobody had stupid hardware problems next time!!

Actually you scared the C*** out of me, only just missed you as you can never tell if a disco'd car will spit you off the track  :o
Did some tweaking to the setup today and it worked wonders with the feel of the car, much more progressive and more easy to drive as a result, giving me almost 0.5 second a lap better times without needing to overdrive the car.....too much, so was very happy with my quali.

As for the Race, those Morgans are just bonkers on the straights, I got right up behind the rear wing of Shark and he just drove off into the distance, nearly outbraked hm into the hairpin but couldn't really make it stick. After a while he started hassling Jeff and eventually got past and eventually I managed to creep up on Jeff too, we had a fantastic scrap with me trying all ways to get past, I eventually squeezed him out at the hairpin and got past but I just could not shake him, so the gap stayed at about 0.6s for ages, then we came around T1 to be presented with a lot of smoke and Paul and Shark stationary in the racing line, both Jeff and I just avoided them.

And tbh apart from Bara scaring us both witless  :D that's how we finished. Brilliant fun.
Grats  to Purdie btw  ;)

Yes that is weird - I am sure I read somewhere (can't find it now) that I had +25kg for this race but the results above show -10kg. Maybe I am getting confused with a different class?

It did - it was exactly in my racing line and while trying to avoid it I got into a sand trap.  :(  Online racing, can't be helped.  :)

Was watching close racing between RR and MJ, was sure MJ's gonna pass, but he decided differently.  ;D  When he went off I also lost my concentration, and soon after Paul went by.  :(  Well, he would pass anyway, he was way too fast to hold.   ::)

Good job MJ for 5th and Darren for 3rd in class.  8)  Too bad Adam wasn't here.  :(

TT

It shows your name in red which indicates that you joined under a different name from what it was expecting - which is shown in the ballast list just before the race after the ballast file has been generated. I didn't note what you had in the game - given that you ended up starting from the back and didn't finish it's not really important.

I'm still getting annoying pauses whilst playing - I've reinstalled AVG on my games box without the new anti-spyware component (I don't really use that box for web surfing so it should be okay) so we'll see if that improves things.

Oh, and I got cramp in my left foot a few laps before the end which made life interesting... :o

Had a cracking race this evening.  8)

Qualied 4th in a tough top end of the grid. :angel:

Race was mainly a superb half hour long bumper to bumper battle with Roadrunners BMW for 3rd and then 2nd place, several times getting side by side and really enjoying a tough fight :fencing:
As the race wore on i could see his car getting more and more out of shape with me throwing everything but the kitchen sink at him to get past, but despite him running wide a few times, he just didnt make a mistake big enough to allow me through. I was keeping a wary eye on the fezzas of TT and PRichards a few secs back too. :shifty:
Eventually on lap 19? of 24 whilst still pressurising Roadrunner for 2nd place i bloody double down-shifted at out of the last corner and the car instantly snapped around on me :cursing: allowing TT and PR through.
I chased like a madman back after them and was taking time out of TT for the last 5 laps but despite closing back down to a couple of seconds, the race finished with me a disapointed 5th. :'(
Should have been a podium tonight and think i may have pressured RR into an error with a few more laps remaining to grab 2nd, as his tyres seemed to be going off.  :-\

Oh well, a good team result with 4th and 5th but could have been sweeter  :thumbup1:

Congrats to Purdie for a fine win  :thumbup2: and unlucky to Bara and Brian with their Disco Stu moments  :(

Hmmm. Thats odd then becuase I didn't change profiles - I was running my normal colours of [R24-7]Baracus.
Also I did finish the race (this one you meant?) in 6th...

Dave,

I use AVG and am getting similar stutters online at Hockenheim during the last week. I'm pretty sure it wasn't doing that before. I have put it down to my aging PC up to now but it usually runs GTR2 fine.

I have the free version of AVG and update regularly. Perhaps one of these updates is to blame. I see Comodo has a beta virus checker for download. I use their firewall and am happy with it so might give it a try.

You did the last fun race at Hockenheim using just "Baracus" which reset your expected driving name - it would've told you what name it was expecting and given you the chance to correct it in the event details (next to the password and also in the ballasts) before the event.

With the ballast process it's really important to use a consistent driving name!


You're right - good job you started from the back then or we might be trying to work out how to penalise you for running light! :P

sorry had to rush off a see a girlie after the race!  :-*

that was so fun much but quite disappointing for Kerr and me when he disco'd :-\ I don't feel confident I could have won had he stayed cos he was quicker enough in all the right places, I found it quite a tricky track to overtake on....it might of looked like I wasn't having a go Brian but I just never had an opportunity! Fantastic driving under that pressure you didn't put a wheel wrong ( :censored: ) and you had 50kg  :o more than me so that explains the braking and exit speeds!  :)

I've had my fair share of discos recently hence my -20kg ballast I believe and as you saw the annoying qualifying session where I was lucky to 'nick' 2nd but Baracus wasn't quite as fortunate after losing his very quick time!!! When you discod i did hit your car Brian and did go off but on those last corners there is no kitty litter thankfully only lost 2 secs....can't be helped. :no:

I'm really chuffed with my first win outside of last years Academy series  :) :) :) and as then......Paul Richards was still right behind me (even tho he's usually right in front! hehe)

thank god Ruskus has 60kg, would be embarrassing for us GT2's if a GTC won lol  :laugh: and grats to Madd-Rip on his win

oh and grats to Racin24-7.....Roadrunner and Baracus!!!  :) :) :)

I think I've been 'Gymered' (or is it Sharked?). Had the edge in class in qual, and in the race managed at first to stay closer to the GT2s than the chasing GTCS. Then Simon came zooming up in a rather rapid Morgan and was past fairly quickly. When he went sideways on the exit of T1 I assumed he would keep his foot in and the car would go right, but he went hard on the brakes instead and stopped dead on the racing line  :scared:  :scared: :scared: By the time my brain had registered this it was far too late and I ploughed into him. I fully expected a broken splitter at the very least, but I got the car moving again and amazingly it seemed OK. By this time Madd and Ruskus had gone and Stew was not far behind, so I tried to push to get back in contention, but the car really didn't want to know. Although it wasn't terrible, the car understeered in all the wrong places, and instead of catching Jeff I was having to fend off Stew. He passed me at the hairpin with a very late lunge (I think he missed his braking point, but I saw him coming and stayed wide), and then it was Dave behind. Not long after he had a bit of a run out of T1, dived down the inside and found my car already there. I'm a bit confused when you say you got caught out under braking Dave - there was no tyre smoke or anything?  Anyway, Darren, Dan and PRibeiro went past and Dave waited, so I then had several laps chasing Darren and fending Dave off again. Dan ran out of fuel, and I was hoping for a last lap charge at Darren when Dave looked down the inside at T1 and forced me to stay wide and the chance was gone. Very surprised you tried that Dave - you managed to cut both the apex and exit curbs in one corner!

4th in the end isn't a disaster, but this was a race I had a chance to win and there won't be many more opportunities to close the points gap to JR (great times btw with all that ballast). Congrats to Madd-RIP and Purdie for the class wins and to PaulR for a good 2nd to keep him in the GT2 hunt.

Unlike all you Porsche drivers I don't lock my brakes. :P Not even when I'm panicking. :laugh:


I didn't think I'd get another bite at you - it was about the only place I had a big advantage over you, anywhere else would've been a mad lunge down the inside under braking. If I'd managed to not cut the inside curbs I'd have been okay.

AVG has been fine for me, no unexpected stutters. I have a paid for version. Don't bother with Anti-spyware, it's a waste of time.

If you never lock your brakes you are not braking hard enough (as if that wasn't self evident)  :P


...until I reported the fact that you gained a place with all 4 wheels off the track on the exit?

If you're locking your wheels you're braking too hard.


:yawn: Is there good money to be made flogging dead horses?

Dave, to use your terminology, if you'd made a pass stick after going that wide, I'd call that urine extraction.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.harrington/Dave%20G%20Hock.JPG)

That was a great race last night really enjoyed it! Was a bit off the times I expected to get in qually, was doing low 40s in practice thinking I might sneak into the 39s but was struglling to even get in the 40s. Ended up 5th just in front of TT and behind MJ and RR all on similar times around mid 40s.  

With the GTCs just behind TT I decided to go for my Med-Med setup which was slower at the start but held up much better over the full 40 mins. Initially thought this was a mistake as TT breezed by in the opening laps with teamie Paul staying close in my mirrors in his ballasted GTC RS. I could see Purdie and Brian battling on the horizon and MJ and RR really going at it so decided to try and keep tabs with them and look after the tryes. With them battling away I only fell back a few seconds and my car was getting better as the race went on.

At about half way I started to reel in the 3 car battle in front and attacked TT. He got a big slide under power on the exit of the hairpin and I was able to get by. We then both took to the gravel to avoid Brian's disco'd car but I lost less time than TT which took the pressure off a bit. I then starting closing quickly on RR and MJ who were still going at it and both seemed to be pushing their tyres hard and RRs BMW looked quite ragged at the rear. MJ then had his unfortunate gear shift moment and spun in the lost corner. Lost a bit of time being careful not to collect him and began to chase down RR. My car was getting faster and faster and was willing the race to go on and with no motec wasn't sure how long was left. My tyres were in much better nick than RRs but he was driving the wheels off it wheelspinning out of turn 2 and the hairpin and catching big slides all the time! On the last lap (not that I knew it at the time) I got a good exit of turn 2 and got a good tow down the long straight. RR defended to the right approaching the hairpin so I went by on the left and broke late as I knew I had to leave room on the inside anyway. Went round on the outside of the hairpin and was able to get the power down before RR as he couldn't slide wide into me and made the pass.

Congrats to purdie and madd for the wins. Was hoping for a few more laps see if I could renew our battle from season 4 Andy but it wasn't to be. Great drive mate  :thumbup1:  Unlucky to teamie Paul for getting caught up when Simon spun but congrats to Stew on a good solid drive. Many thanks to TT, MJ and RR on a great race.

that was a cool tactical drive PR  8)

I had kept a wary eye on you in my mirrors the whole race as your car looked like it was poised to strike the moment me and RR had any coming together or offs, which we didnt until my gear dilemna late on. Even when i chased hard after you and TT i was watching your gap time on the Xpd thingy and could see you had made a late charge in the race to assault RR...after i had got him to wear his tyres out fending me off  ;)
I wanted to RR to beat you for the sake of the team points but i tip my hat to a great drive as you nabbed 2nd place after running 4th/5th for so long, but never far away.

Hiya Guys

Seems this was quite an interesting race  ;)

Connection problems forced me out of this one. I connected 3 times, and lost connection 3 times. I couldnt access my e-mails or the `net, so maybe Virgin were having 1 or 2 issues!

Cheers

Rob

Wow, Dave, looks like your dream came true...your name in big letters in the sky! :angel:

Seems it was memorable for the wrong reasons at the front!

Was it a low turn out? I seemed to struggle to fully adjust to the weight having practised offline but until i can sort out the lack of front grip i'll be staying at the back! though didnt expect to be last:(

Well having watched the replay of you for a couple of laps early in the race you are clearly the kettle to my pot, running off the track pretty much every lap on the exits of the Nordkurve and the Sachskurve. I don't know why you continue to have a bee in your bonnet about this particular issue but I'm sure I'm not the only one fed up with hearing about it when you clearly don't actually follow those rules to the letter yourself either.

We all do it Dave and I've pointed that out before, but the rules specifically mention not gaining an advantage over another driver by doing it, which in this case was exactly that - you could not have made the pass without going off track.

Anyway, I never wanted the rule change you made, pretty much nobody abides by it including you, yet it it still there in the rules - daft IMO. I know I'm not the only one who has an issue with this, and it's clear that the mods are not exactly in full agreement either - look at Simon's comments only a week or 2 ago. The fact is, I would not have done as you did because I think the rules forbid it. I bet I'm not alone in this.

Everything you say here suggests that the rule about 4 wheels on the track is meaningless, so please just remove it and say that the track cutting detection will be used unless drivers are completely taking the p**s and exploiting crazy loopholes in the detection like the inside of T1.

Gentlemen.

If anybody has an issue with anybody elses driving in this or any other race, then they should submit an incident report through the proper channels. Discussions in public, and photographic evidence being posted in the public forum is just not on.

You'll still gain advantage over other drivers by cutting, even when not passing. You may close the gap, so I can't really see the difference between going off the track when passing or going off the track when not passing.

It wouldn't be much fun if someone found a loop hole, where he/she could cut through the grass and gain 3 sec a lap either.

The advatage by having the rule state that all wheels should be on the track is that it doesn't give advantage to drivers knowing where the off track detection sets in. But it could maybe be set to 2 or 1 wheels, as this seems to be where most tracks have the auto detection.

I won't add to the T1 discussion! even though I did ask before the race! Sorry ! :)
It is a tricky corner to get right everytime!

Started justifyably at the back! I love the Mossy but I can't make it go !!
Just love that great engine sound!!
Well I just did my thing stayed out of trouble and watched everybody else spin off infront or behind me!
Very entertaining from that point of view!!

Looking forward to a good winters racing!

M.

Really enjoyed this one, even tho i spun on the warm-up lap :-[, which kinda ruined my best quali ever. Very sorry to PRibeiro for the touch at the hairpin, & sorry Paul for the lunge :-[, TBH I did'nt miss my braking point, I just made a desparate move, which by luck, did'nt cause any damage :o. Finished with my best ever result, and all my body panels still attatched :laugh:. Congrats to podium, can't wait for next one.

the only way to sort this would be a UKGTR Hockenheim. Those efforts to make other UKGTR tracks were fantastic and rules are designed to be broken and we all have a go, for the first couple of laps keeping up with Brian at T1 i occasionally took a bit too much inside kerb :whistling: and other times a bit toooo much outside kerb and the rest of the field did from what i can see......so i behaved for almost the whole race because Monza popped into my head where i got dq for blatant cutting (two races):

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2633#event259 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2633#event259) :o
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2647#event291 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2647#event291) :o

All this cuts are exceptable by GTR2 rules ofc  :P....not one warning! and public servers do it all day long.

Its easy for me to say this as I can't redo tracks to make them UKGTR spec but its the definite answer i'm sure  ::)