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Track: Mugello '74-'90 GP

Car restrictions: Four drives maximum per Division. Check your car allowance here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iQ2h1wtcJVy_L6F4j52MSPJ2wG4hMrTMwhIog8tIgs8/edit?usp=sharing)

Points: We are recreating the scoring system that was used in the 1983 ETCC. Overall race result, top 6 scored 9-6-4-3-2-1, In each division, top 10 scored 20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1.

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make.
Race: 20:40 (24 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: x2
Pit stops required: YES

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None

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Just found out that there are two races scheduled for the 6th May and no race for the 30th April.
This one and https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=16781#event6192 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=16781#event6192)

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Thanks Kurt, all sorted now (I hope).

How does the bonus drive for each division work exactly? Does it mean I can use a car that shows as 0 one more time?

Yes

Going with the dreaded Metro tonight  :o. Seem to have got the braking sorted but it is so unpredictable on turn in, one lap it will turn in so sharp it wants to swap ends, although recoverable, next lap, same corner, same entry speed & it wants to understeer off track  ???. Have no idea what setup changes to make to cure it so just going to wing it. Cya later.

"…….just going to wing it".
In my ( very limited ) experience of the Metro, winging it refers to the way it flies off the track!!!  I recall that Tony used it in one of the early races and appeared to have somehow tamed the little bu**ger!!  Perhaps if enough folded paper stuff changes hands he might share his secret  ::) ??

then again.............

I found that careful braking whilst down shifting worked for me.

Wait...? Are you saying that isn't standard with all GTL cars?  ???

Tony, the button doesn't lead to the usual PayPal page presently, but rather to a forum thread with instructions.  There's a PayPal link in the topmost post, but it hasn't been edited since 2015, so is it still valid ?

Not sure why the Paypal thingy isn't working. That's above my pay grade  ;)

We do prefer Internet Banking as Paypal like to take a cut off your donation.

If you wish I can pm you our banking details? Please pm me if you would like that.

I think it will be cheaper for me to just donate more via PayPal, as the bank fee for international transfers no doubt is extortionate...  ::)

I'll ask about that for you, leave it with me.

Hey, Dan:
See, I knew I'd need two pitstops!

Seriously:

As far as I'm concerned, you really didn't have to wait for my 100 second repairs to be over! It's arbitrary af how GTL deals out damage anyway. I had practically come to a stop when I hit the tyre barrier and GTL nevertheless decided that my pretty Gulfy Golfy was totalled  :-\ At least I got a full repair for once.

Anyway, no harm done.

(as if I didn't realise right away that you wouldn't let a Belgian beat you, Dutchie)
;)

Results and replay now posted.

It was so mutch fun again.

Great chase at the beginning with Clive, but unfortunately he make some errors in the pit. Great chase at the end with Fulvio aswell but he maded a mistake and i capitalized. Fulvio was faster at the corners and with one stop less than me but my car was mutch faster on the straights. Nice chases thought.

Hristo was in a league of his own. No chance to be close to him, so the second position was the best here for me. Grats to him and all participants.

The qualy and race recorded from my computer and now with commentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1nOHBuBsqY

Nice. Subbed!

By the way, Clive didn't 'slip' early on. That's just how he drives......any car.......including front wheel drives.  ;D

Thanks Dom! Appreciated it.  ;)

Noticed in Dulichki's awesome You Tube video, that he says he planned to make two pitstops. I have not watched the video through to the end (too busy doing UKGTL admin stuff  ::) ). Did anyone else need to do two stops for fuel? Geoffer's and I had tested and thought it would be a one stop race.

Great video Dimitar and some nice commentary. Grats to Hristo on a commanding win and to the podium.

I had only got around to re-installing the car/track details for this series late in the afternoon and joined the server to check things out. Hristo and Dimitar were already on there doing their race prep. I selected the big Rover simply because I had not used any cars from that group before and started working on a setup. Hristo saved me some time when gifted me his Enna setup for the Rover, which was very similar to the values I was heading towards, but it only needed to be "adjusted" a little to be comfortable for my unique driving style  ::).

It was a good battle with you Dimitar, right up to the first pitstop, then it all went wrong for me. I was fortunate that the extra power in the Rover allowed me to outdrag you off the grid and up to T1. I was tempted to have a pop at Hristo too!! but I quickly made the decision that we both could end up in the gravel. So I very graciously allowed Hristo to stay in P1  ;D.
I knew that your Alfa was probably quicker in true lap times, because you were quicker through the corners, but I was able to hold P2 because I could get just enough of a gap on each straight to take the optimum line into the next corner.

The pitstop was a disaster as I could not find the sweet spot to bring up the pitboard, despite doing it twice perfectly during qualifying  :-\. I wasted about 30 seconds rousing my pit crew into action and by then the red mist was getting thick. I was going to take tyres and fuel and knew that I probably would still need a splash and go in the last 3 laps, but in the panic I forgot to ask for fuel. I thought I had totally screwed my race then as I only had 3 litres of fuel left in the tank. Surely not enough for another lap to get back to the pits again??? Well, nothing to lose so I did a lap in 5th gear and rolled back into the pits as the tank ran totally dry. Another fiddle to get the right spot and take on fuel meant that I was dropped right back to 11th place and almost 20 seconds adrift :-\
The focus then was on seeing if i could claw back a few places before the end of the race. Slowly I was catching the tail enders and I was very aware that Dimitar was just behind and about to lap me, but until he got very close I was not going to back off  ;) ;)
gradually I picked off cars and climbed to 6th place which was probably more than I expected after the pitstop.

Apologies to Hristo for blocking him towards the end, by then my tyres had taken a lot of abuse and I was fully focused on keeping the tank on the road and did not expect him to close quite that quickly.
Despite the pit stop(s) from hell I enjoyed wrestling the big Rover around the track...at least I came first in class  ::) ;)

@ Tony. I was in the Rover SD1 and with the gearing that I was using ( which did not hit the rev limit, in 5th, at the end of the straight ) I could only manage an indicated 11.5 laps at full racing speed?. If Hristo had not lapped me near the end of the race, I would have needed a 2nd proper stop for a splash.
Also, as I can be seen in Dimitar's video, but which not might be obvious to viewers, when he had his offs and gave me some breathing space I was trying to save fuel and stretch the fuel for an extra lap. The extra lap at my first pitstop on the last 3 litres was painfully slow and theoretically stretched a tank of fuel to 12 laps, but certainly not at racing speed.

Hi Tony yes needed to do 2 stops in the VW, would have been 4 laps short for full race distance.

Grats Hristo on win

Grats Podium

Did you download the VW fuel fix patch?

Hi Tony LOL you are correct forgot to install patch.

Tony, all the powerful cars need to make 2 stops with these 2x fuel consumption settings, it was the same thing in Enna (even more so there). I guess that's OK because it gives a chance to someone running a smaller car and 1 stop, to actually fight for the win and podium positions, even if they're not the fastest lap time wise.

If I knew how fast the Alfa would be around this track, and that it would suit me so well, I would have chosen a slower car to save the Alfa for another race. It was a bit tricky to setup, but once I got the hang of it, it was very good.

After pulling away from the start and building a big gap to Clive and Dimitar behind, I messed up during my first pitstop where I must have accidentally turned off the limiter on pit entry and thus got a stop/go penalty. This dropped me some 40 seconds behind the leader and I thought perhaps it's going to be a repeat of Enna. Fortunately the others had issues of their own and I managed to get back into the lead eventually. Didn't change tyres at all during my pitstops, so I had to be extra careful at the end of the race. The car was very progressive and slides easy to catch though.

Congrats to Dimitar for making it a 1-2 for BRL Team and to Fulvio for a fine 3rd!

Also, a great job by Dimitar with the live stream, especially now with his attempts at live commentary! I noticed that caused him to have an off or two, but it was worth it  ;D I think we should all support him with his endeavour, by subscribing to his channel, giving him likes and perhaps even donating once in a while on his Patreon.

First off grats to the podium!!  Mostly a fun race for me except I had some downshifting problems.  Was double shifting from 3rd to 1st, happened about 3 or four times.  Came close to Erlhing and misnoimis and I having a tangle.   Erhling gave me a hard time for quite a few laps in the first half of the race, good fun.  He was in a lower class car, but is more talented so evened out the battle.  He was much faster in the corners and my Alfa would pull away from him off the corners and down the straight.  Hope I didn't hold you up too much.  After  the pit stop we seperated until the final couple of laps and I could see him ahead but then had another downshift problem on the last curve and went into the sand.  I am doing this series very scientificcaly, just going down the list of cars, hope to be able to drive them all...........

Bob M.

At most circuits in this series, yes. But we thought at Mugello you would only need one stop for fuel. Was your 2nd stop just a splash and dash?

Setups

Maybe slightly off topic but Geoffers created an online folder (etcc83) for setups for this series. Maybe if anyone should care to share his setups they could be laced in this folder?

And how about making another folder for the TC Legends?

I know at least one happy user.

Cheers, Dan

Ps. @ Dom, I decided stupid action deserved a firm penalty.

Ps. @Tony, I used PayPal this week with no probs.

I don’t quite know what happened but this race mostly went without incident for me. About every race I had started since my return to online Sim Racing has involved one incident or more. Not on the track but in my race room. Last Monday I had intended to join but failed to notice that the race started at 8.00pm, not 8.40pm. I intended to join at 7.45pm but the phone rang so I ended up trying to join at 8.09pm only to find that the race had started. Annoyingly I had actually practiced in the Imp for that one.  The previously Wednesday I had made a last minute decision to join when I saw it was no longer a night race. Unfortunately I didn’t attach my G17 shifter securely so had to drive the first race with a wobbly gear shift. I was trying to tighten it while driving without much success. For the second race I made sure it was fixed securely but checked it while on the grid and must have knocked the Pit Speed Limiter on so made a very slow start, well done the drivers behind for avoiding me. I was thinking that I must be too old and accident prone to do this any longer. However the stubbornness kicked in and I had to have another go.

Mugello Race

I decided to drive the Alfa using the default settings but with a longer top gear. I had one scare at the start of qually, my gears were changing by themselves and I thought the gear shifter had failed again. Then I noticed that the game had selected auto gear change by itself so went into options/controls and saw the box was ticked. I deselected it and everything worked fine. I keep my keyboard on one side for refuelling and selecting Driver Names and guess there is a key I knocked when selecting names.

In the race I made a great start overtaking four cars before the first corner (the highlight of my race). The race went well on the whole, I didn’t make any costly errors and drove a pretty steady race. I had some fun with Tony and we politely changed places a few times during the race. He was much quicker through the slow corners than me, we were about the same on the fast ones but once I got into my high fifth gear on the long straights I would leave him for dead.

It went wrong for me in my one pit stop. I thought I made a good stop. I saw I had damage to be repaired (I had had a slight bump in the rear early on). I deselected repair damage. I changed my wearing tyres and fully toped up my fuel (thinking I would require a full tank to complete the race).  Bob also driving an Alfa came in just behind me but got away again several seconds before me. I could still see him as I left the pits But Tony and someone else passed the pits just before I got out so I had another enjoyable battle with Tony but by the time I got past Bob was long gone so I just concentrated on keeping ahead of Tony until the end of the race.

Grats to the Bulgarian Racing Team and Clive and thanks to all. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Edit: I thought clive had finished third, I , see it was fpolicardi so  :clap: for third place.

Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2020/29042020_Mugello)

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Didn't expect to see the chequered flag as I did not practice at all for this one.
Tried several cars and eventually voted for the Metro as the "worst" car available on a track I'm not very familiar with. So - nothing to loose.
Puzzled around with Geoffers' online setup but couldn't find a setup suitable for me until I spontaneously decided to  make the rear suspension
as hard as possible.

Nevertheless I expected a very short race in last place.

But contrary to expectations I was able to settle with the car during the race with six new personal bests and finished the race.
Could have been even better if I hadn't gotten a stop&go penalty due to pitlane speed limit.

So a pleasing event for me.

CU next week.

No, I went for 3 stints of equal amount of fuel, 8 laps each, but I don't think it mattered overall. Even if I had run 2 stints on full tanks and did a splash and dash at the end, the time loss would have been the same, more or less.

Oh, and before I forget again - would it be possible to setup the server to allow for people on a flying lap to finish it when the session is over? It happened to me in Enna and now it happened to Fulvio, that we were on a flyer and server switched to the next session (race), cutting our attempts short. I know it would prolong the races, but not by more than 2 minutes at the longer tracks. Could still keep the current settings for tracks like Nordschleife.

I'll upload my Alfa GTV setup there next time I start the game, if I don't forget.

The qualy time start and length of session is clearly explained in the race announcement. Driver's need to adhere to these times. Same rules for everyone.

Once qualy starts it's all automatic anyway, so I cannot stop or alter when qualy finishes.

Predictably not a good race for me, just could not really attack the corners as I would have liked as the Metro was too uncertain about where it wanted to go. Caught me out at least half a dozen times including rolling it twice.

Congrats to Hristo, Dimitar & Fulvio on the podium & to Clive & Erling winning their respective classes.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

About qually, at least GTL gives you some extra time (about 1 minute I think) after qually time is up, in RaceRoom it is instantly over when the time runs out.

Demanding race for me.  First half was mainly a hard battle with Tony.  Found myself held up through the twisty bits by of all cars the Alfa GTV. Did not expect that, and twice Tony exploited it to get past, which was rather annoying.  He had obviously done his homework in the Corolla, or maybe I hadn't done mine. He appeared to be faster on both the straights and in the corners, which had me scratching my head - if he had tinkered with the aerodynamics (forgot to check if it's possible with this car), then I would have expected one of the two, but not both.  May also be that there's simply something fundamental eluding me with these cars - Clive's qual lap in the SDI was 6 seconds faster than my best lap with it offline  :blink:

Late in the first stint, Tony & I were side by side approaching the chicane. I tried to make sure there was enough room for him, but as a result went too far over the curbs, lost control and spun out, dropping to 9th.  Single pit stop soon after, for fuel only.  Quickly found myself in a lonely 4th after the stop.  Had a 6-8 secs gap to the car in 5th and took a very concentrated drive to keep it till the end, on increasingly worn tyres. 

Grats to the unbeatable Bulgarian team & Fulvio on the podium, and hats off to Dimitar for the video and commentary!  :thumbup1:

Bit nostalgic for me with the Corolla GT. Back in 1989, the Corolla GT Coupe came very close to being my first car.  Had found a very nice black example, but regrettably a lady had dibs on it and ended up buying it.  Instead I got a nice red fwd Corolla GT hatchback.  That 16V Twin Cam engine was a gem, and with adjustable Koni shocks and fat Yokohama tyres, it was almost impossible to unstick in the dry  :wub:

Yes, some very good battles with Erling, amongst the better class Alfa's of Bob and Mike. However my superior racecraft  :angel: proved sufficient to reach my pit stop with a commanding lead (oh and Erling's spin out helped a bit). But I pitted for fuel and tyres and this gave the dastardly Dane a 15sec. lead which I just could not reduce.
I've sent Erling my setup for educational purposes only.

I am surprised by Erling's comment regarding the pace ( and his unusual lack of success ) in the SDI, as I thought that I was still missing about 3-4 secs on what I eventually achieved. That Alfa does appear to me, to be very quick in the right hands and capable of taking on the bigger engine beasts...…. must try that car out soon lol.

Tony can confirm that I only got my dedicated install rejuvenated a few hours before race time and to get myself sorted with these cars. That was all thanks to Mr B. Gates and his update last week  :-\.

In fact I only chose the Rover because I had not used any of the Big Banger class before, and simply stuck a pin in the list. Some thanks have to go to Hristo, who was practising on the server with Dimitar when I dropped in for a quick test late afternoon. I would like to think that my setup was evolving in the same direction, but when H offered me his Enna setup it probably saved me 30-45 mins of tweaks and adjustments. Throughout the race I was still learning to drive the big tank, but pitstop woes/lack of fuel/worn tyres all had an effect.

I just checked and it turns out GTL doesn't have the option that rFactor has (despite using the same engine), for allowing drivers to complete a flying lap at the end of a session. I assumed it does have it, so my bad.

You're welcome, Clive, though I imagine the demands for the setup on this car were probably very different from Enna! Also, I must apologize for being so impatient when I was lapping you, because you were still trying to catch up the drivers in front and letting me through on that straight surely cost you a few seconds. I had no real reason to flash my headlights at you like that, so it was a bit of a jerk move. I'm sorry.