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The Classic season starter: two races in Imola, this time in 1972 layout. :)



Server info:
- Server Name: NoGrip Legacy HTC Server
- Password:  will be revealed in normal UKGTL fashion.
- Car pack version: 2.1


1st Race
Track: Imola, Italy.
Track download: *DOWNLOAD* (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-1E5GIhIeQLRJA6M0zkDByULKPqCnnUv/view?usp=sharing)
Allowed Classes / Cars:

 Division ½ classes.

• up to 500cc.
  • Giannini 500TV
  • Suzuki Fronte Coupe
   
• 500 - 700cc.
  • Giannini 650NP
  • Abarth 695SS Competiozione
   

Qualifying: 15 minutes, starts at 19:50 GMT.
Race: Length 9 laps, starts at approx. 20:05 GMT.
Scoring:

• Both classes score points separately. Winner of each class receives 4.5 points, 2nd in each class receives 4 points, 3rd 3.5 points, 4th 2.5 points, 5th 2 points, 6th 1.5 points, 7th 1 point and 8th 0.5 point
• Overall winner of the race scores additional 0.5 points.
• Start in a class where driver has not started yet in this season, scores automatically 4 additional points.

2nd Race
Track: Imola, Italy.
Track download: Same as first race.
Allowed Classes / Cars:

 Division 1 classes.

• 700 - 850cc.
  • 1970 Abarth 850TC
  • 1970 Mini 850
  • 1970 Simca Sim’4
   
• 850 - 1000cc.
  • 1970 Abarth 1000TCR
  • 1970 Mini 1000
  • 1970 Simca 1000
  • 1970 NSU TTS
  • 1970 Ford Escort 1000 BD
  • 1970 Sunbeam Imp
   

Qualifying: 15 minutes, starts 20:35 GMT.
Race: Length 9 laps.
Scoring:

• Both classes score points separately. Winner of each class receives 4.5 points, 2nd in each class receives 4 points, 3rd 3.5 points, 4th 2.5 points, 5th 2 points, 6th 1.5 points, 7th 1 point and 8th 0.5 point
• Overall winner of the race scores additional 0.5 points.
• Start in a class where driver has not started yet in this season, scores automatically 4 additional points.

Notes
- Championship main thread, with calendar, cars, classes and other info: click here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=29811.0)
- Championship standings table: click here (https://gtlserver.lintu.dyndns.org/ChampionshipPoints)

NoGrip Legacy HTC Server is now running Imola 1972 with practice password.  :)

Have to give this one a miss. Will be in France for a couple of days.

Happy racing.

Dan

NoGrip Legacy HTC Server is now running Imola 1972 with race password.  :)

I am hoping to make this but I have a Raceroom event this evening, all being well it should be over before qually starts, so fingers crossed I will be in attendance.

Is there a reason why I can't get on the server with the 650NP today? Car not present error and I get booted off the server.

I just checked by joining in each of 650NP cars (#174, #214 and #24) and all seem to work fine here... Check that you have  GameData\Teams\TC-65\Fiat Giannini 500 -folder. If not, you need to locate where the car is and either move it back to original place or delete it and re-extract the car package. Also Note that if you have extracted the package to GameData folder instead of GTL Main folder, you probably have All cars located in GameData\GameData\Teams\... which most likely will work for the single player but as the gtl server sends exact paths of .car files, it causes exactly error like you have.


Note to everyone: Car locations / paths cannot be changed.
Cars must be in exact same path as in online server. GTL Server does not send the car name and number in online mode, but the exact filename and path of the .car filename. If one moves the car from folder to another, game does not find the car anymore when joining to the online game.

I have been planning to do file verification tool for few years now, which would tell you exactly whats wrong, but it has not happened yet due limited time. :) Maybe in the future. :)

Check that you have  GameData\Teams\TC-65\Fiat Giannini 500 -folder.
There was another Fiat Giannini 500 folder before the actual folder

Not sure about that Escort gearbox. It shouldn't struggle to get up inclines in 2nd, should it?

it is not the gearbox, but lack of low end torque. BD-engines like to rev and they make most of their torque in high rpm. For example 1300BDA (aka. BDH) engines hardly make more than 90Nm of torque, but as they do it in very high rpm, it turns to out a lot of bhp. 1000cc BD engined cars were very very slugish from start line (BD heads were tested and used in more free class Anglias as well) as their max torque comes in 9000 to 10000 rpm. But that makes them to deliver 130-141bhp, which is huge number for non-charged 1000cc engine. Unfortunately the reason why they were never really a winners in real world were the missing low end torque making them lose a lot in start.

OHV 998cc Escort does have a lot more low end torque, most likely over twice as much as the BD one, but  as it does not rev more than around 8000 rpm, it's 90-100bhp on Escort's over 800kg chassis is not that much.
So there's a reason why Ford was not able to challenge the 970 S Cooper in 1969 and the Imps between 1970 and 1973 in 1000cc class, while they dominated every other engine class.

And gearbox is actually from the homologation documents. Not sure how exactly Ford was able to homologate 5-speed box to 1 liter Escort as no such car ever left from factory with 5-speed box. Probably using Parts Kit homologation in which manufacturer had to prove that they had built 100 units of upgrade kit part and it got homologated. This was possible from 1969 onwards but it took moment before manufacturers realized that they did not need sell those kits. Only claim that such things had been made 100 units was enough. The result was that extremely expensive one hand fingers counted parts ended up in factory racers as you could claim making 16 valve fuel injection head in batch of 100 units and just make 10 or 20 of them as only thing that was checked was the that the announced part serial numbers made sense. :)

Provisional LM2 results are have been now posted.
- Drivers' Championship points are available on Server Stats: https://gtlserver.lintu.dyndns.org/ChampionshipPoints?champid=2&subchampid=0  (This link is permanent link to 2022 season Overall Championship, so you can bookmark it if you want.)
- Teams' Championship points are available here: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1781&theme=5

Server Stats is under continous development and I am hoping to provide more stuff there during the season. :) All the goodies from last year is there and few more new ones like the championship points.
https://gtlserver.lintu.dyndns.org/

I had a subfolder that screwed things up. Replaced the game data files and it works fine now. Thank you Nappi.

Result_Race1 (https://gtl-gtr2-racing.lima-city.de/_2022/14032022_72Imola_R1)

Result_Race2 (https://gtl-gtr2-racing.lima-city.de/_2022/14032022_72Imola_R2)

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Superb race 1 some grown up dicing with Lasse, swapping places like mad. :fencing:
Might have stayed in front except for messing up the braking for Rivazza. Too much front brake bias.

race 2 was looking good until I found an imp blocking the road.... got going again but was too far behind to catch Kurt

If there's a replay for Race1 I would like one if poss. I only have race 2 locally.

Tony has promised to copy the replay in standard UKGTL replay location, but you can download server replay from Server Stats' Results archive as well: https://gtlserver.lintu.dyndns.org/ResultsArchive

Excellent season start, I agree. :)  I was completely lost in first Qualifying and took huge gamble by making gear ratios from scratch with no time to test them at all. This time it worked. In second race I was pretty sure that I could not compete against Abarths unless they have problem. However I did my personal best lap couple of times so while it was a bit lonely race, I did enjoyed it.

Race 1 was a proper bunfight in the slower class, slipstreams galore! I had no real right staying with the Giannini in the Suzuki, they were blasting past me on the straights.....but, I was getting my nose back in front on the uphill stuff due to the shorter gearing I had I am guessing. I got in front at the third time of asking, and held off the massive charge that Lasse and Matt had on me down to the hairpin, and then had to pedal like mad for a couple of laps to pull enough of a gap to feel safer. This was helped by the two of them having a titanic struggle of course....

Race 2, that was me Matt, massive apologies. I initially was going to take the Abarth 850, but switched to the Imp as I drove it here last year and it worked really well. However, either last years setup doesn't work on the car this year, or the change of character of the track acted against it, as it was utterly awful. Couldn't get the car to do what I wanted it to, or get the gearing right either as it goes, so despite fighting with Micha early on I was not surprised to spin it all away. I was surprised that it stopped me mid track though, and left me smack bang in the way of the descending pack, poor Matt had not chance at all. Car was properly knackered after that, and all I could do was trundle around for the points for last. My own fault for changing my mind!

Grats to Geoffers, the track time on RRE paid off  ;)

Hehe, I don't think a GT3 Mercedes helped much in driving a little Abarth!

Fully expected to come 2nd in race 1, but with Manfred winning it, not Micha. Great pace from Micha in the race, much quicker than in qually & although I chased hard after my expected rubbish start I just could not close the gap. Grats Micha.  :clap:

Race 2 was really down to having the fastest car. Not much more to say really.

Congrats to all on the podiums & class winners.  :clap: :clap: :clap: