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Title: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on June 30, 2007, 10:41:11 AM +0100
Practice 1:20:15(10 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:25(10 mins)reserves may join too when Practice 2 is shown in lobby
Qual 2:20:35(20 mins)
Race:20:55(40 minutes)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1 or G2 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.4 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (G2 cars will not score points).
Weather: Dry
Track: UKGTR Magny Cours GP 2004 v1.0 (download UKGTR Track Pack v1.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27))
Race Start Time: 14:00 (rolling start)

Server: UKGTR GT1 Sprint
Password: available from the event page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=297) (see the Show Password link under the announcement text)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=50)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack and the track pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyones' connections will be reduced.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Adam Parle on July 03, 2007, 09:29:10 PM +0100
Depite being at the back of the grid I was still looking forward to a scrap with Dave Gymer and Picnic .... and it was just that for a little while.  Had a great battle with Dave before he pulled a slight (1.5 seconds maybe) gap .... and then I had a ridiculous slow speed spin on that bastiche of a last chicane ... and then promptly threw it off track in T2 an removed the rear wing.  Dave was long gone and so was my will to carry on.

Still, enjoyed it whilst it lasted - but I think Imola will be my last foray into the world of GT1.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Mark J on July 03, 2007, 09:44:03 PM +0100
aaaaaaaarrrghhhhh  >:(  I dont poxy believe it  :(

I had a bad feeling something was going to go wrong in tonights race because i was looking forward to it too much ::)

Qualied a good 5th with 1:32.3  8).

Ran 5th for about 10 laps staying on the heels of the top 4 and enjoying the battle. Then had a small spin at adelaide under heavy braking. Dropped to 6th as Shark nipped through losing 5 seconds.
Stayed there chasing Shark hard about 4 secs down the road until with only 10 minutes remaining and then for some bizzare reason the tyres go like ice even though tyre wear only shows 11, and no red hot spots  ???
The car then flies off the track at almost every corner and i dropped right down to 12th. I was literally fighting the car into and out of every corner which is really weird as i've had better grip with a lot worse tyres than that. ???

I'm then so much faster through estoril curves than every one else in the tight pack in front of me that when Colin Hines got out of shape i had to hit the anchors to avoid him and fly off into the armco...race over with torn off bodywork and wheels :'(

Gutted, easy had a top 6 finish here tonight. Know idea why the tyres went like that and i was really enjoying the race upto that point  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: purdie on July 03, 2007, 09:52:10 PM +0100
first of all
GRATS BARACUS

quali was okay, put in a banker so i cud work on my race setup and was surprised to even be as high as 9th!

race started well running 7th with Paul R pressuring me and a train of cars behind! Then after some laps of tussling with Aagramn i squeezed past him into last chicane and with such a bad entry i hit exit kerb and cudn't accelerate so he hit me...very very sorry for ruining your race Aagramn and Paul cos he got caught up in it  :-\

...after that i continued my recent form of big spins and ended up with a s/g coming very much last!  :-[

did enjoy the race and kept going even tho was on my own for a long time! lol.....  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: linco24 on July 03, 2007, 09:53:18 PM +0100
I'm then so much faster through estoril curves than every one else in the tight pack in front of me that when Colin Hines got out of shape i had to hit the anchors to avoid him and fly off into the armco...race over with torn off bodywork and wheels :'(

Sorry to hear that mate. I actually didnt get a good run out of the chicane as i'm usually good through T1/2/3 too. Was hoping you could join the battle I was having with SBG. I have to say thats been the most enjoyable race for me in GT1 so far. Great racing SBG, you defended really well and made it really hard for me. Tyres were ginving up in the last few laps and wanted to hold my position and not throw it away with a guys close behind.

Well done to Baracus on his win!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Kerr on July 03, 2007, 09:55:58 PM +0100
Probably the most fun race for me yet.

Delighted to get pole although there is about .7sec to come off that time. Made a couple of mistakes even of best hot lap.

I like this 23 degree steering set up much better and it helps my tyres too.

My Lambo was awesome on the brakes. I could nail hairpin every lap. I was tempted for some long range overtaking maneuvers but decided against it as doubt driver in front would not. expect a car to come from so far back.

Leading the race for the first good bit I was managing to keep Ruskus as bay, he was usually about 0.7 sec behind. Coming out last chicane the kerb scrubbed all my speed of and Ruskus glided past into turn 1. Chasing hard and watching behind I took my eye off the road ran on to grass, highly stupid, then dropped to 4th.

Nothing between the top 4 until Ruskus tyres were well past their best. Freq managed to nip by a few laps after Baracus but for all my attempts I could not.

I was seriously quicker through bends but no space. Got along side a few times but that viper had too much power on the straight for me.

Awesome race non stop for me.

Great win Baracus, great race Freq Ruskus


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Aagramn on July 03, 2007, 09:59:15 PM +0100
Been a while since I've raced, and I think it showed. Good fun though.  :)

Qualified way too high for my race pace in 7th. The front six quickly moved away from me, and I was fighting to hold onto my place for the first 15 minutes. Had a clean fight with Purdie, but I think I was holding him up quite a bit. He eventually got alongside me, and we were side-by-side for 3 corners, until I had to let him past at the final chicane. Unfortunately he was a bit off line, and got a bad run over the kerb, slowing him down. I wasn't able to react in time, and gave him a bump. Then Paul Richards did the same to me, spinning me out. Pretty sure it was a racing incident, don't think we could have done anything to avoid it. Think I finished 12th in the end.

Then after some laps of tussling with Aagramn i squeezed past him into last chicane and with such a bad entry i hit exit kerb and cudn't accelerate so he hit me...very very sorry for ruining your race Aagramn and Paul cos he got caught up in it  :-\

No problem Purdie.

Congrats on the win Baracus.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Jeffrey on July 03, 2007, 10:03:11 PM +0100
Woa bloody hard work, but a great race!

Brian just pipped pole from me with a good lap, well done.

I thought I could overtake him on the straight, but the Viper was awefull through Estoril, so the Lambo had such a big lead on the straight, that I couldn't even accelerate towards it.

I followed Brian around for about 1/3 of the race, but he was just a bit quicker than me, so I had to settle with 2nd. Then he made a small mistake entering start/finish and I could just get the inside before the left hander.
I had to defend hard at that point as he was still quicker.
Then both Brian and FreQ went off and I had Bara behind me.
That car was maybe harder to keep behind due to higher topspeed than the Lambo.
Eventualy Bara overtook me at Adelaide and we were heading towards Nurburg, with me on the raceline and he on the inside. I couldn't keep the line and he overtook. At some point he went wide and I could overtake him again.
I then had 3 cars behind me in a few seconds.
Bara overtook me again and he drove off, so I had FreQ behind.
He overtook me at the 180 degree turn and we were heading towards the Imola chicane side-by-side (Alonso/Heidfeld anyone? ;D). That was a great thing! ;D. In the end he overtook me and also drove off.
For the last 5 minutes I had Kerr behind again. I had to work very hard to keep him behind so I was glad when the race finished. great drive Brian.

For the last 20 minutes I had no tires left and my engine was at <70%  :o. I started with a 91% engine... :whistling:.

Grats Bara  :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: ginsters sponsored on July 03, 2007, 10:05:07 PM +0100
Crikey, this racing league lark never fails to surprise me. Never had a race like that before :)

Terrible quali left me languishing a bit but thought I could keep up with, and even challenge TT in front of me if I got up to pace. That was the plan, but from the very first lap I had Colin's fezza up my arse. I wasn't going to make it easy to pass but no way did I think I could defend for the whole 40 minutes :wheelchair:. He powered up to me on the straight and I parked at the hairpin every lap. If you imagine DC vs MS as Magny a couple of years back, you got it. Hope Colin didn't go all crazy DC on my ass ;D.

Colin, congrats on some fantastic racing. Many would have spanked their way past, but you showed admirable skill/patience :angel: .


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: picnic on July 03, 2007, 10:07:10 PM +0100
Replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/UKGTR%20Magny-Cours%20-%20GT1%20Sprint%20070703.zip) plus provisional results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=297) and standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=50)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Aagramn on July 03, 2007, 10:07:53 PM +0100
Cheers Picnic.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Kerr on July 03, 2007, 10:12:30 PM +0100
Cheers for the steering set up tips.

It takes not far off a second a lap on some tracks I have tried.

Never before did I get below 1.32.5 around here. Today I was happily doing very low 1.31s in qualifying set up. i think it was 1.31.5 in real quali

I did find more time altering the front a little due to the extra control. It lowered the anti roll and increased the sping tension. It has great turn in and is awesome on the brakes. Tyre wear not an issue any more either.

It maybe was too low though. When you overtook me Ruskus it was the car catching the kerb and it wiped all my speed off.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Jeffrey on July 03, 2007, 10:14:23 PM +0100


Unofficial lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Magny GT1 Sprint 03-07-2007/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Jeffrey on July 03, 2007, 10:18:14 PM +0100
It maybe was too low though. When you overtook me Ruskus it was the car catching the kerb and it wiped all my speed off.

Yeah I saw the sparks fly off, almost igniting my American junk  ;D. You had a few "moments" on those curbs before, so I was focussing there. So when you lost momentum I knew that that was the moment. The Estoril corner is too long for the Viper so I had to overtake before that.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Paul968 on July 03, 2007, 10:18:50 PM +0100
Quote from: Aagramn
Then Paul H did the same to me

Really? I must be driving using the force then, cos my wheel has been off the desk for hours!  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Aagramn on July 03, 2007, 10:21:06 PM +0100
I'm getting old, I have my Pauls in a muddle.   :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 03, 2007, 10:22:02 PM +0100
Not one of my better races. Barely got home in time to eat before the race, no setup, no practice. Actually qualified better than expected (ie. not dead last) but the in race my lack of setup time really showed - I had no grip at either end and went off or spun a number of times. I pretty much only finished ahead of those who crashed, blew engines or spun even more than me. ::)

Adam - the MC12 seemed like a demon on the brakes - but perhaps that was just me being carp on them. I think in hindsight 100% pressure was too much despite the big stop at Adelaide. Was even more surprised to find I had good exit speed compared to the MC12s despite feeling that I didn't have enough rear grip.

Also had the driving on ice feeling in the last 5 or so minutes - not sure why. I noticed it was very bumpy on the outside of Adelaide and was trying not to run out there too often.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: linco24 on July 03, 2007, 10:22:11 PM +0100
Crikey, this racing league lark never fails to surprise me. Never had a race like that before :)

Terrible quali left me languishing a bit but thought I could keep up with, and even challenge TT in front of me if I got up to pace. That was the plan, but from the very first lap I had Colin's fezza up my arse. I wasn't going to make it easy to pass but no way did I think I could defend for the whole 40 minutes :wheelchair:. He powered up to me on the straight and I parked at the hairpin every lap. If you imagine DC vs MS as Magny a couple of years back, you got it. Hope Colin didn't go all crazy DC on my ass ;D.

Colin, congrats on some fantastic racing. Many would have spanked their way past, but you showed admirable skill/patience :angel: .


Have to say the same for you too. As I said you defended well. The hairpin is the only real passing place out there. I tried going inside and round the outside but to no avail! Good stuff! :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Kerr on July 03, 2007, 10:35:41 PM +0100
Replay looks great in bits. After 1800 it 4 of us together. After 2300 (I think) it's me and Ruskus having a ding dong. Really close at times!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Joss on July 03, 2007, 11:20:35 PM +0100
Well close race, few mistakes by all (me and Brian running off track at the same corner :laugh:) but very gd fun!

I don't what it is, but me and Bara are always very close on pace on almost any track we go to and that was the case here again. Always count on you for a close race  8)

Was annoyed that I didn't stick a move on in the first lap as my braking was good into the hairpin and could come from a little way back, got Bara after a few laps, then he got me back out of the hairpin! The he was held up by a lappee and I closed right up - Bara then went a bit wide at the next 180 degree left and I chose to ease off a bit instead of try to make a pass; was remembering when he let me by in Barcelona last season when I had bad luck so didn't think it'd be fair to punish him for a backmarker this time :)

Then we all ran in a 4 car train for a bit, then me and Brian went off (doh!). At that point I thought 3rd was the best I could do, but such was Jeff's tyre situation we closed back in!Back to another 4 way dice, finally Baracus got past and 2 laps later I snuck inside Jeff into the left hander after the fast chicane, then side by side into the same chicane he mentioned with Alonso & Heidfeld, I was lucky not to get a cut warning there - was just trying to make sure there was space for us both!

Then set about Baracus: "I've got him once, I can get him again!" I was saying, but not this time :P I could brake later but wasn't faster over the lap so couldn't close up. Bara actually pulled a little bit I think   :o

That's a hell of a way to win your first race, battleing with 3 peeps and beating the Jeffster fair and square - congrats mate, you deserve it :)

Unlucky to Brian as well, you got some serious speed - Ruskus also did a great job of holding onto p3 with totally crapped out tyres. :P

I hope to be around for the enduro, but once again, I might be competing in Karting for Intel...in the world games  :o. Awesome!



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: baracus250gt on July 03, 2007, 11:24:08 PM +0100
Happy happy joy joy, happy happy joy joy, happy happy happy happy, joy joy joy!!
(Apologies for that to those who haven't seen Ren & Stimpy!)

That was an excercise in mind control for me! It's the first time I've felt comforatble in these GTR cars and I think that's down to knowing the track inside out from other games. So I could spend my time before the race getting a good setup, instead of learning the track AND getting a good setup.

I was very surprised to start 3rd (even looked like being front row until Brian stormed one!) - then at one point early in the race I thought "hang on, I can still see the leaders!" I realised I had a chance. The 4 of us were almost nose to tail for the whole race! Amazing stuff! It was a case of attacking and defending at the same time on a number of occasions which was a bit exciting.

Unfortunately Brian and FreQ both went off at the same time which gave me some time to focus on Jeff alone :) But we were slowing each other up and we were back as a train of 4 not long later.

When I eventually got past Jeff (the first time ;D) the adrenalin was pulsing through me so much that I missed my braking point a bit later and he slipped back through in the left 180 :)

That was the sign for me to calm down and concentrate - I didn't even once look at what lap it was or what time was left - I just drove and kept it clean and it all just clicked into place for me!!

Relief when the "race over" text came up was immense I must say!!

Really good racing, so close all the way and interesting differences in the cars again (Lambo can go much deeper under heavy braking, and the viper just pulls away on the straight bits) - but I guess I had the better car over the course of the lap. hehe

Lets see if NGT's will be nice to me too!!!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Gazza49er on July 03, 2007, 11:28:50 PM +0100
I really thought i was gunna be in the top ten here after doing alot of laps all weekend and seeing the pace of everyone apart from the top 5 of course. Bin doing low 1.32's which would of put me 7th i think but just couldnt put a clean lap together but knew i had a fairly good race setup but a botched start when limiter didnt disengage and lots of little mistakes saw me slip down the order and just as i was getting back in touch the engine lets go.

Congrats to the winner and the other 3 behind, watched your battle when my race was over and it was great to watch.

Oh well cya at the endurance sunday.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: baracus250gt on July 03, 2007, 11:32:05 PM +0100
was remembering when he let me by in Barcelona last season when I had bad luck so didn't think it'd be fair to punish him for a backmarker this time :)

Thanks mate!! I knew it would pay off in the long-run! :) That was exceptionally bad timing meeting that Porker in that bend, especially as he was going slower than normal after letting Jeff and Brian through - I just had to ease right off.

Good luck at the karting event - sounds great!! What track is that on?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Joss on July 03, 2007, 11:36:53 PM +0100
Good luck at the karting event - sounds great!! What track is that on?
Can't remember the name - it's in northern Spain ;D
We competed in the UK Corporate Games last weekend and won the team event, so have been invited to the World Games next weekend. No idea what karts they are yet but hope they aren't the usual shitty pro-karts. I want TKM's/Rotax's! :P
Missed the endurance in Oschers coss of that and looks like I'll miss the endurance here as well....ah well.

Don't think I've gone soft on ya! I'll have ya next time!!  ;)
*Walks off grumbling*


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: baracus250gt on July 03, 2007, 11:44:04 PM +0100
Don't think I've gone soft on ya! I'll have ya next time!!  ;)
*Walks off grumbling*

:D  hahaha - I don't think you need worry - it seems we're attached by an invisible tow rope! Just depends if its tied to the back of yours or mine for that week!

Good luck in Spain!! If it helps stick an "[R24-7]Baracus - (125ms)" banner above the kart of the favourite team and give me a good beating ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Kerr on July 03, 2007, 11:57:39 PM +0100
I don't know why but I felt under more pressure than normal with Ruskus breathing down my neck during that race.

Got a few tweaks to make to this set up as it's very promising.

I have suffered at most tracks with terrible tyre wear to the extent my car is all over the shop and lap times are very poor late on. I noticed in lap chart with only a few laps to go my lap times, when I had a clear lap, was only 0.25sec slower than race best, says it all. So hopefully finally turned that corner,

Not sure if I'm going to make Sundays endurance clubmens race. I sure Backo would give his usual good account but doubt it would match tonight.

I wish I was in for the masters next again week!

I enjoyed that so much. Just noticed it was Baracus first win here.

What a way to win. There are races and then there are races and when you work so hard to win, it always seems more of an achievement.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Paul Richards on July 04, 2007, 11:52:14 AM +0100
Thats some new found confidence there Brian!  ;D Congrats on turing the corner and getting up to race at the very front. Haven't tried using only the 400 degrees 23 lock yet to my usual G25 setup but will be sure to give it a go. I did try it in conjuction with Ruskus' other FF settings before but as I couldn't get on with them I set everything back to how I had it originally. Big congrats to Baracus on your first win! Can't believe you haven't had one before.

Eventful race for me with some very close and enjoyable battles! I know the track from previous experience but hadn't even loaded it up in GTR2 until 7:15 last night. Managed to get a basic qual and race car prepared that I was reasonably happy with but was only hoping for a top 10 at best.

Qualified 9th which was as high as could be expected with so little prep time so quite pleased with that. Race got off to a frantic pace chasing old nemises Purdie in the opening laps. Aagramn fell back a bit from the car in 6th and Purdie was attacking hard with me right behind and Jure right behind me! Jure gave me a scare as he broke a bit late and suddenly shot passed my nose as I turned in for Adelaide. He managed to avoid everyone though and fell back into line after his trip wide. Eventually after a few laps in the 4 plus car train Purdie squeezed past into the final chicane. As we exited the chicane nose to tail I had just got on the power when aagramns car suddenly slowed and unfortunately I had no time to react being so close and bumped the back of his car. Was sorry to see him spin out. Many apologies mate I guess something might have happened with you and purdie as it was so sudden. Happy to take any penalties fgrom the moderator if I was at fault.

Was then chasing Purdie again, after a lap or so he was a little wide into Chateau D'eau. I got on the brakes as hard as I could as his car slowed rapidly to make the corner. Gave him a little kiss  :-* on the exit but glad it wasn't enough to get him too much out of shape. Sorry mate about that! My loss of speed gave Jure the opportunity and he went by nice and cleanly. A lap or so later Purdie spun at the last chicane and Jure took off. Mark Maclean passed me and then Jure but I continued to chase him and initally we were pulling away a bit from TT. I think Jure's tyres then started to go as I suddenly caught him and was a bit quicker at certain points of the lap. I couldn't get by though as I didn't have enough pace where it was needed. He ran wide at Adelaide and I unfortunately gave his car a little kiss too on exit  :-* removing his brake light. Many apologies mate I miss judged your exit speed but glad to see it didn't effect you too much. MJ spun and fell back just behind TT and they both then closed up on me and Jure. I still couldn't find a way past even though his tyres were getting worse. Then coming out of Estoril Jure's car begun to slide as he put the power down. Intially I thought he is going to spin to the outside so positioned my car to the inside. Then it looked like he was going to hold onto it so I kept my foot in to go by on the run up to Adelaide. The back then eventually (it would have won a drifting contest!) came around and to the inside of the track into my path. We collided hopefully with not too much damage to both cars. TT and MJ went by so back to 9th. MJ then spun at Chateau D'eau and I chased TT to the finish but never got very close. Will hopefully have more time to work on the setup before the Enduro. Great race. It must have been to deserve this rediculously long post!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Mark J on July 04, 2007, 12:47:10 PM +0100
okay enough of the use of words in the same sentence containing 'MJ' and 'spun'  ::)   :'(   ;)

Still havent got over the disapointment this morning.  :(

I reckon that pesky shark threw some oil out of his Lambo up ahead at the Imola chicane.  :shifty:
Still none the wiser why my tyres turned to glass with only 11 wear and no-hot spots showing on the PD monitor. The car literally became almost un-driveable for two laps, then when i got the pace back i had to take the avoiding action with CH's 550 that saw me out of the race.
Its a Team Shark conspiracy i tells ya   :detective:  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Paul Richards on July 04, 2007, 01:05:51 PM +0100
Many apologies MJ!  :D

I think Dave reports something strange with the 350z having a bad patch mid race with the tyres on that. I have reported myself for penalties for spinning out Aagramn. There is nothing worse than having a collision with the front off your car and seeing him fly off into the wall  :'( 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 04, 2007, 01:34:39 PM +0100
I think Dave reports something strange with the 350z having a bad patch mid race with the tyres on that.

I've had it in the Corvette too - it goes through a phase of feeling like it's lost all grip and then comes back to normal, but with a slight (expected) loss of performance. I've never been able to identify any specific temperature, pressure or wear issues with GTR2PD monitor which would explain it.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Aagramn on July 04, 2007, 11:22:29 PM +0100
Eventually after a few laps in the 4 plus car train Purdie squeezed past into the final chicane. As we exited the chicane nose to tail I had just got on the power when aagramns car suddenly slowed and unfortunately I had no time to react being so close and bumped the back of his car. Was sorry to see him spin out.

No problem Paul. I've looked at the replay and responded to your report - I think it was just a racing incident.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Mark J on July 05, 2007, 10:00:29 AM +0100
Had a (rare) thought this morning. Does GTR2 model lack of grip from picking up debris (grass, sand etc) when a car has left the track and returned back onto the tarmac? ie as in real life?
It doesnt help to explain what caused the car to fly off the track in the first place (which literally felt like i hit a patch of oil) but it took me a good 15+ seconds to get off the slippery grass up at chateau Deau and it was the following lap and a half that the car was then all over the shop at every braking point/corner until the grip suddenly came back.
Seems quite coincidental. :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Jeffrey on July 05, 2007, 10:07:44 AM +0100
Had a (rare) thought this morning. Does GTR2 model lack of grip from picking up debris (grass, sand etc) when a car has left the track and returned back onto the tarmac? ie as in real life?

90% sure it does not. Stuff doesn't stick to your tires. It does simulate marbles and dirt on track by Live Track Technology. I don't know how far that goes, but maybe when somebody infront of you flies off and rejoins, he leaves dirt on the track  :-\.
So maybe you shouldn't look for the answer in your car, but more on the track (or in you head  ;)).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 05, 2007, 10:29:02 AM +0100
I agree with JR, I think the closest it gets is that you lose a bit of tyre temperature when paddling out of gravel or navigating off the grass, but that's all.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Jure on July 05, 2007, 11:05:17 AM +0100
LOL. MJ&JR, you guys read my mind, was pondering on same question for 2 days now but I'm not so sure about your statements.

I had an off during the race (which reminds me, must check replay and do a thorough report on this GT1 sprint, awesome race, probably best one so far) and I did get a huge loss of grip for almost a lap or so. Then again, GTRPD2 did show front tyre temp drop - a lot (more importantly - tyre pressure drop).

It's a complex issue anyway. You lose front tyre grip (due to an off - tyres cool down, due to being stuck in traffic - tyres cool down, due to easing off to conserve tyres - again: cooled tyres, it's usually the fronts that cause the trouble) since they're cold - classic catch 22. Cold tyres, you get careful, hence you take different lines, perhaps brake early and not abuse the fronts so much and voila, they cool down even more...

But (there's always a but, right?  ;D), now here me out:

- there are certain "magic tyre wear benchmarks", numbers vary depending on the type of tyre, but nevertheless, they're there. Softs have, erm, I call them "stages". 0-7 (or so)= excellent grip; 8-13/14=average, 15-18/19= less then average, 20-27=careful now, careful, 27-onwards= grip? what grip?  ;D

Right?

Anyway, thing that irritates me the most is transition between the above mentioned "stages" - it's far from being gradual, no warning at all, your fronts go from "grippy" to "yeah yeah, I'll turn in... eventually" in an instant (tyre wear 18 or so with softs, or 15 with mediums). Same goes for track temperature issue, magic number is 27 degrees celsius. Huge difference between times achieved @ 26 degrees and... say 28 or so. It's not gradual at all. Best thing to describe it would be: it's not analog but digital...

Unfortunately (during my in race off) replay does not show any damage on front splitter/aero, I hit sand rather hard and front grip was gone afterwards, there is no way tyres were sooooo worn out (below 20 at the time, I think it was lap 16-17), so it's hard to judge was it due to tyres, tyre temp, aero damage or simply dirt on tyres, but I do know one thing: remember how, in case you hit a curb very hard or something like that, your car starts to pull to one side or the other or you get vibration or similar? It does last about a lap or so, then it wears out and kill me if I'm wrong, but I get same feeling with dirty tyres (due to an off). Every bloody time, even if you do NOT lose tyre temp, grip simply isn't there for a certain amount of track time.

Right. Confused text, I'm sure, but here it is just the same. Short version: I think track excursions DO get your tyres dirty, I also hit marbles few times in that looong lefthander after the fast chicane (i.e. went very wide) and suffered major understeer problems up until getting into T3 (which is something like half a lap or so later), then it went back to normal once I got to... Adelaide (give or take, happened 3 times, same effect, every bloody time. There must be something to it.).




Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Mark J on July 05, 2007, 11:19:29 AM +0100
Thanks gents, well thats the reason i asked the question, it seemed coincidental that the tyres were like glass for almost 2 laps after spending that time slithering about on the grass. It literally felt like suddenly trying to drive with 25-30 wear rate, everwhere that i tried to take my normal line/brake point it got all slippery and out of shape. Dont forget i had been running strong in 5th or 6th and the car felt great upto this point (10 mins remaining) so not like i suddenly started throwing the car about recklessly.
They were only on about 11 wear rear and 9 wear front. I would be surprised if the fronts had cooled suddenly to throw me off as i was still pushing hard trying to stay within shouting distance of Sharks Lambo who was in visual range ahead.
I'm not looking for excuses as whats done is done, just wondered if anyone knew the off-track debris was modelled. It would make sense with the live-track modelling to be represented as marbles.  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: popabawa on July 05, 2007, 11:32:59 AM +0100
I've noticed what Mark & Jure are describing as well.

An 'off' followed by a lap or two of very low grip which then magically seems to reappear with no warning. It's like turning a swich off and on. Odd.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Joss on July 05, 2007, 11:40:46 AM +0100
Me and Kerr went off half way through the race. I didn't experience any issues afterwards, maybe 1 or 2 corners of slightly less grip....nothing bad though.

In fact the lap after I went off I did a 33.4....1 tenth off my best lap of the race....


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: picnic on July 05, 2007, 12:11:00 PM +0100
I reckon there is a bug in the server and my tyres pick up the crud from everyone else's offs  ::)

I too experienced a sudden drop off in tyre performance, when the wear got to about 11 or 12 I really lost the ability to get round the right hander on to the long straight. I hadn't been off prior to this (for a change)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Mark J on July 05, 2007, 02:25:09 PM +0100
would be handy to know if it is modelled, if only for the reason that next time i (we) have an off, we know to be a little more careful for the next few corners or next lap if the tyres have picked up debris.

I wonder if grass or sand makes a difference ? That grass up at Chateau Deau was a complete slippery ice-rink bastich to get a GT monster back onto the tarmac. :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Simon Gymer on July 05, 2007, 02:45:38 PM +0100
This can go the other way too. If you spin on the tarmac or lock your wheels when going off for example your tyre temperatures can rocket causing the same effect (slidey car on overheating tyres and lower lap times). It can take a couple of laps to cool off your tyres after that and it will feel kind of like driving on ice with very sudden loss of traction.

Maybe another explanation for the stuff you guys are describing is they have modelled tyre graining or getting to different compounds in the tyre. Like we hear on the F1 commentary tyres can grain for a few laps before they come back or as in road tyres you can get to a different compound in the tyre where the grip levels are very different despite the temperatures being the same. I know they model things down to sploshing fuel in the tank (alledegly) so maybe they model graining. The only people that can answer is Blimey, so maybe you could email them to find out.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: popabawa on July 05, 2007, 03:15:15 PM +0100
Where's AndyG when we need him? I notice he's not logged on to this forum for a couple of months :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 05, 2007, 03:18:02 PM +0100
Where's AndyG when we need him? I notice he's not logged on to this forum for a couple of months :(

Probably got fed up of the SimBin/Blimey!-bashing.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: purdie on July 05, 2007, 11:02:48 PM +0100
Does anyone know much in this case about tyre makes? and is a dunlop similar on a RSR as it wud be on a Saleen?  ???

i've started driving the GruppeM RSR which has Dunlops and find it better than the white/yellow Freisinger RSR which runs Michelins. I also notice the Machanek car runs Pirellis but have never driven it.

Do the tyre brands make a difference and vary in characteristics?? ie. some makes better softs others more durable?  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Jeffrey on July 06, 2007, 12:04:45 AM +0100
I made a video of this race:

High Resolution DivX stream (http://stage6.divx.com/user/Jazzy_Jeff_NL/video/1386651/Magny-Cours-GT1-Sprint)

Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iWSO9Kn7AQ)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 06, 2007, 07:49:54 AM +0100
Do the tyre brands make a difference and vary in characteristics?? ie. some makes better softs others more durable?  :)

Yes.

Dunlops are generally considered to be the worst and Michelins the best. Obviously most cars only have 1 or 2 choices.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Truetom on July 06, 2007, 08:23:25 AM +0100
Truly a work of art, Jeff!  8)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 06, 2007, 08:28:49 AM +0100
I made a video of this race:

High Resolution DivX stream (http://stage6.divx.com/user/Jazzy_Jeff_NL/video/1386651/Magny-Cours-GT1-Sprint)

Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iWSO9Kn7AQ)

Awesome! :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Adam Parle on July 06, 2007, 08:34:25 AM +0100
Nice job - nice bit of Godsmack on the music side of things.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Simon Gymer on July 06, 2007, 08:47:22 AM +0100
Great video Jeff, luved it!

Couldn't get the DivX one to work though, came up with "this is not a DivX file", probably got something to do with trying to view it on this poxy Windows 2003 machine!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Adam Parle on July 06, 2007, 08:50:54 AM +0100
Great video Jeff, luved it!

Couldn't get the DivX one to work though, came up with "this is not a DivX file", probably got something to do with trying to view it on this poxy Windows 2003 machine!

I got the same message through Firefox and IE, and I'm running XP at work.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: purdie on July 06, 2007, 10:52:36 AM +0100
Do the tyre brands make a difference and vary in characteristics?? ie. some makes better softs others more durable?  :)

Yes.

Dunlops are generally considered to be the worst and Michelins the best. Obviously most cars only have 1 or 2 choices.

cheers dave!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Jeffrey on July 06, 2007, 03:17:47 PM +0100
Great video Jeff, luved it!

Couldn't get the DivX one to work though, came up with "this is not a DivX file", probably got something to do with trying to view it on this poxy Windows 2003 machine!
Thanks for the words guys. Indeed Godsmack, didn't expect anyone to recognize  :D.

You have to have an online DivX player or something. It should get linked when you don't have it. Really worth downloading, as the resolution is much better than Youtube and you can download it from there as well.
I'll be using that DivX much more in the future, as it does the game/video more justice than Youtube.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Adam Parle on July 06, 2007, 05:48:00 PM +0100
Indeed Godsmack, didn't expect anyone to recognize  :D.

I have a fairly wide ranging music collection ;) - got the Faces and Awake albums.

Regarding the DivX - I've got it playing at home no problem - although I've got DivX at work too?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: purdie on July 06, 2007, 06:06:17 PM +0100
great vid ruskus....loved the camera work!  :)

and me and Aagramn side by side !!!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 06, 2007, 07:23:04 PM +0100
I've done a bit more digging into the .TYR files and I can't find any evidence to explain why the tires often seem to go through a very slippery patch around the 10 wear 'units' mark. It's all rather puzzling.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Aagramn on July 06, 2007, 07:35:23 PM +0100
Nice one Ruskus.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Simon Gymer on July 06, 2007, 07:46:00 PM +0100
Yeah DivX works fine at home.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Joss on July 06, 2007, 08:03:15 PM +0100
Cooool vid :)
Installed that Divx thing too, much better quality 8)
I tried to make a vid of last season's Donington race, but my movie maker kept crashing constantly until I gave up. When I get a new PC this Sept and stick Vista on it, I'll have another go.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: baracus250gt on July 06, 2007, 11:00:09 PM +0100
Woweee Jeff! That is some classy editing mate!

How on earth have you done some of those dynamic camera angles?? Where its not following a car in particular but zooming in and out to see stuff in the distance and panning around etc?? (not that I will understand anyway hehe!)

The synching to the breaks and beats in the music is superb!!! And the pace of the action matching up to the "quiet" bits of the song must have taken ages to work out! You should work for MTV or something!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Jeffrey on July 06, 2007, 11:08:33 PM +0100
Woweee Jeff! That is some classy editing mate!

Thanks for the kind words  :winkiss:

How on earth have you done some of those dynamic camera angles?? Where its not following a car in particular but zooming in and out to see stuff in the distance and panning around etc?? (not that I will understand anyway hehe!)

That is done by assigning a button to "Toggle Mouse Look".
The shot from the pitlane was done because soembody was standing there  ;D.

The synching to the breaks and beats in the music is superb!!! And the pace of the action matching up to the "quiet" bits of the song must have taken ages to work out! You should work for MTV or something!

The editting is the fun part, finding the action is the boring thing. I wouldn't mind making more vids, if other people do the searching ;D.
The editting took around 4-5 hours, which could have been shorter if Premiere Pro 2 didn't crash so much  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: Roadrunner on July 06, 2007, 11:12:32 PM +0100
Do the tyre brands make a difference and vary in characteristics?? ie. some makes better softs others more durable?  :)

Yes.

Dunlops are generally considered to be the worst and Michelins the best. Obviously most cars only have 1 or 2 choices.


From what i`ve read. Pirelli`s have most grip but wear out quickest... Michelin & Dunlop are about the same...Think Dunlops have a fraction more grip but dont last quite as long, and Michelin`s are vice versa


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 3
Post by: purdie on July 07, 2007, 10:10:03 AM +0100
Do the tyre brands make a difference and vary in characteristics?? ie. some makes better softs others more durable?  :)

Yes.

Dunlops are generally considered to be the worst and Michelins the best. Obviously most cars only have 1 or 2 choices.


From what i`ve read. Pirelli`s have most grip but wear out quickest... Michelin & Dunlop are about the same...Think Dunlops have a fraction more grip but dont last quite as long, and Michelin`s are vice versa

 ;D cheersbruv!