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The Intermediates Trophy will use a chassis allocation style handicap. Drivers will be allocated a chassis group which will be used to determine the chassis they can drive for the season. Once they have been allocated a group they must use a chassis from that group for the entire season unless the moderator has permitted or requested a change. Drivers will have a choice of chassis from within their group which can vary from race to race. The faster the driver, the fewer (and slower) chassis that they will be able to select.

It is to be hoped that the Intermediates, like the Novices, will be a close championship. We do keep an eye on chassis allocation throughout the season, and people in a chassis that is too fast or too slow for them will be reviewed as the season progresses.

The chassis will be split into five groups as below. Drivers will have free choice of ANY chassis within their group:

Group I
Lotus, Ferrari, BRM, Honda, BT11, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 2
BRM, Honda, BT11, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 3
BT11, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 4
Cooper, BT7

GROUP 5
BT7

Since drivers have a free choice within their group, they will need to consider, on a circuit by circuit basis which car will best suit their needs. Control and a reliable setup may be more important than outright speed.

We will maintain a table with Chassis groups here, which we will expand as the registrations come in. Please feel free to post your chassis or group choice here.

FULL TIME

DRIVER	CHASSIS GROUP
Cookie	2
Du Fossa	1
Vosblod	1
Geoff 65	3
Maddog	2
JonnyO	2
Francesco	1
Rainier	3
RonniePeterson	3
Karliss	2
S2173	2
Bernie	2
Ross Neilson	3

RESERVE

DRIVER	CHASSIS GROUP
Steve Bird	3
ivandjj	2
maestro57	3

Feel free to discuss the chassis allocations in this thread, but if anybody feels that they, or somebody else, has been grouped incorrectly then contact Cookie or Badblood by PM or post below.

Well done Paul, thanks. :thumbup2:

I will try to do this season in only one chassis.
I learned in last season, if you know a car with all its good and bad sides, your drivng improves a lot.

Greetings

Once again like in the Porsche Cup I am indeed flattered by my chassis allocation for the Intermediates Trophy.

I assume its based on my championship winning year in the Novices. Hold on, that would be JonnyO and Axel (who only missed out on a technicality). I have never won the Novices. After finishing a distant 3rd in Season 20, I moved up to Pro at the gentle persuasion of the mods, to make way for new drivers wanting slots in the Novices.

I know, it must be because of the number of race wins I have in the 65's in the last two seasons. But wait, I have none. Unlike JonnyO, Axel, Karliss, Dave Rainier and Tim.

It must be my GPLRank/GPL65Ranks. Maybe not as Bernie and Sky kick my ass in the GPL67 rankings and where they are available, my GPL65 ranks are not the best of the crop of drivers in the intermediate group. I can only guess what Axel and Dave's rankings are?

Don't misunderstand, the above is meant to be tongue in cheek. I'm happy to race in the BT11, Cooper or BT7 and I'm not demanding for anyone else to be moved (except Martin who clearly belongs in Group 5!!!). But it does seem a little harsh when some clearly fast(er) drivers/Novice champions and runners up have the choice of faster machinery, including the Lotus and Ferrari, at their disposal.

Nonetheless, the Intermediates is a great idea. Fingers crossed this is up and running for the start of the season. Thanks.

 

I think the previous seasons Novice Champion, at least, should be moved up a notch. Perhaps even the series podium winners, but definitely the Champ must go up.

I think Jonny and Cookie are on the cusp of 1/2 but I think Ronnie is a definite three based on experience and consistency. There is an argument that none of you should be in Group 1 but let's see who joins because it is all relative. Any more stirring from naughty Antipodeans will result in swift banishment to Group V!  ;D

Seriously, let me know if you think the groups are wrong, they are based on 'gut' feel and a quick look at last season's race results but it is hard to assess last year's Pro against Novices.

Just trying to stir up some healthy pre season rivalry Paul, hopefully its working. I'm happy with the allocations made for everyone thus far. The BT7 is a great drive and the BT11 plenty fast enough for me. Just can't wait to get started.

No offense to Ronnie, but IMO Axel is the quicker driver at the moment, so the groups don't make sense to me. OK, maybe not in 65s, but I would put that down to lack of preparation rather than sheer pace potential.

No offence taken Hristo and I appreciate the extra pressure you have just heaped on Axel!

Are there really only 6 drivers in this division?

Eleven full timers at the last count Jason.

As I am in the discussed group, I let Paul do this selection.

Ronnie when we where racing together in Porkas you regulary was faster in Quali and in Race we were mostly close together.

As S21 was my very first season with the 65s and I never had used these cars before, I still have a lot to learn.

I mentioned in the first post to keep my car alll the season, but I have not yet decided wich car, but it will definitely be no Lotus.

Could you tell me in which chassis group I will be ?

thnx ;)

Group 1 means: you have absolute freedom for each race to take whatever car you want  ;)
Group 2 means: You just can't use a Lotus or Ferrari
....

I think Dave is waiting for the updated driver list to show which grouping he has been allocated to.

Sorry - I have been a very busy boy. I will update the list tomorrow night after I have read the messages moaning about the groups...

You are pretty good David but I don't have a lot to go on but Gp 3 I think at the moment. Cookie is going to be Gp 2 for the time being.

I have dusted off the trusty BT11, that has been languishing at the back of the Clark-Hill garage and am punting that for Intermediate. I hope the pit crew remember where everything goes? At least polishing it has helped a bit.    :-\

Thanks Paul for clarification ;)

The bottom line is Ray, you're a quality driver. Fast and consistent, with few mistakes in most of your races through S21. In short, if we put a Climax V8 in a shopping trolley, you'd drive it well. To make the job too easy for you would be doing you a disservice as the challenge will grow your skills. If in fact the job is beyond you, which I very much doubt it will be, there is always the Mods option of dropping you back a group. You should be able to make the BT11 sing.    ;D

I agree Geoff. For me the BT11 is fast enough and the BT7 a lot of fun to drive. I have no issues with the handling of chassis selection by the mods, just me being mischievous.

But I don't envy the mods trying to find a suitable chassis to contain Sven who has just signed up for the Novices.  ;D ;D ;D

Group 5 !!!?  Haven't I eaten enough dust kicked up by your wheels, in every practice race we've ever run together.  what have I done to deserve such despicable flattery!  Such a murderous pace needs to be punished unmercilessly, umm . . . no, not mine, I'm talking about rapid Ronnie!  If your opponents are to see any chance of even a podium, something beyond a group 3, seems vital to me. Reincarnated Ronnie's should not be let loose on the world, unbridled! :P

At last the maddog has woken from his slumber. I'm looking forward to some cut and thrust racing already.  :fencing:

hehe

Just checking, which group will I be in please? Just so I can practice with the right chassis.  Cheers!

 :)

Sorry Steve. Didn't realise you had registered for this. Group 3 I think but I will check with Cookie...

Thanks Paul

Well, I dont exacly agree with the list, im probably as fast as Cookie, Bird and Rainer... not that it matters much, I'll probably drive only the bt11 anyway... are you sure the ferrari, honda and brm are faster? Doesnt look so to me...

Raw speed around the track is NOT what has been used to set the Chassis groups. We will review after three races.

After last nights showing at Bathurst I would say that Sven will be in inters by mid-season.. he was battling with Raoni for the whole race!

Heaven help us all when he gets some racecraft sorted out.......or he'll be on a kids tricycle    :laugh:

Well he has signed for the Inters and he can go into Group 1 - BUT we re-jig after three races. Gp V beckons  ;D

Hallo Guy's  ,
Must say that yesterday at Panorama/Badhurts it was a good test to know how i'm doing and must say it feels good .
See you guy's on track and like alway's ...... as clean as possibly .
greets svenvangent ( online name is t.sven )

I'm also gonna change my car , instead of the ferrari i'm gonna race in the future with the brabham BT11 if i may so .  

  

If you keep this car choice you prevent an early regrouping ;)

If this is your pace in a race, you showed at Bathurst, I would group you in group 4 ;D

Heidy hoy Cookie ,
Yes i'm gonna stick with the brabham BT11 .
The only reason way i dident took this car in the past was ...... of his bad sound but i had Tito's 65 compilation , i placed the new sound for the Braby BT11 and it is much better .
I feels also more comfortable with this car or in mt head  :P

No no no group four for me  :o

greets svenvangent 

Paul, should i be included in your post 1, page 1?

Yes - sorry Ivan.

Molto Grazie MaleSangue  ;D

Prego

Can someone confirm which chassis group I am in please?

 ???

I seem to have disappeared from the allocation list.

Oops - sorry boys. Fixed now.

Think you are both 3's but we are going to review adter three races.

Just started practice online at Kyalami. Speaking off the record to those present there may or may not be some changes to the chassis groups and/or driver allocation. Any confirmation of this would be greatly appreciated to aid practice in allowed cars.

Cookies call for you Ray but I think you may be going with the group you were in.

Now we got it...

This is the new car and driver grouping:


Group I      Group II      Group III      Group IV      Group V   
Lotus         BT11          Honda         BT7            BT7
Ferrari       Honda         BT7           Cooper     
BT11          BRM           Cooper   
Honda         Cooper       
BRM           BT7
Cooper        Ferrari       
BT7           



Intermediates

DRIVER	CHASSIS GROUP
Billy Nobrakes	2
Carraciola	3
Cookie	3
Du Fossa	2
Vosblod	1
Geoff 65	3
Maddog	2
JonnyO	3
Francesco	1
Rainier	3
RonniePeterson	3
Karliss	2
S2173	2
Bernie	2
Ross Neilson	3
Steve Bird	3
ivandjj	2
maestro57	3

I'm thinking Axel, that perhaps we should have left the BRM in Group 3. Now it's going to be a Honda Spec race with the Riceburner being the only car that 9 drivers at least, maybe more,
can seriously choose. A point we all didn't consider whilst this was under discussion.
Geoff.

Although it isn't ideal, we have reserved the right to change the allocations again. Let's see how it goes for a couple of rounds?

You have to compare to the situation we had.
The BT11 was the car 8 of 12 drivers drove in Monza, 11 of 16 in Mexico and 9 of 13 in Surfers Paradise...