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Title: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: H@L9000 on October 20, 2011, 11:21:34 PM +0100
All members welcome

Practice 1: 20:00 BST (20 mins)
Qual 2:       20:20 BST (20 mins)
Race:          20:40 BST (65 laps)- note: no warm up!

Cars allowed: Any GTC from the UKGTR car pack (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#post_physics) v2.15.0.0
Track: Lime Rock Park (Chicane) v1.1.0.0 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg76901#post_limerock)).
Race Start Time: 14:00

Weather: Changeable - based on real world conditions.

FORECAST
 Weather: Dry and sunny, Chance of rain 10%.
 On line: Dry
 Off line: Dry
 Ambient: 13.00
 Track: 18.63
 Early Conditions:  Dry
 Mid Race Conditions:  Dry
 Late Race Conditions:  Overcast


Tyre wear: normal.
Fuel consumption: x2.
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: simracing.org.uk GTC
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=345;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car physics pack and track (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).
(7) The server will be set to 26 slots, not 28.






Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: quicksilver384 on October 26, 2011, 06:14:19 PM +0100
mmm strange track lol. managed around 1:54 i think


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Manteos on October 26, 2011, 07:06:30 PM +0100
mmm strange track lol. managed around 1:54 i think
I guess you mean 0:54 right?

Yesterday night I started some tests with 5 cars, and I have to say that probably I was wrong about the fact that Porsche (997/RS) are so advantaged. I'm sure that 997 Cup is the easiest to drive in this pack, but with a bit of training and a good setup, I was on the same laptimes even with DBRS9-F430-Lotus. I tried these cars in sequence, and than I restarted by the first, obtaining the same laptimes of both the Porsche.

1st attempt:
DBRS9: 54.2
F430: 54.0
911 RS: 53.6
997 Cup: 53.6
Lotus: 53.7

2nd attempt
DBRS9: 53.5
F430: 53.5

When I have some free time, I will try again 991-997 and Lotus for the 2nd attempt...
These laptimes are with full tank and medium tyres.

Unfortunately, I probably can't race this Sunday :(



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: quicksilver384 on October 26, 2011, 07:23:10 PM +0100

I guess you mean 0:54 right?


LOL yeh 0:54

the viper is a wee bit twitchy round here


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: spanner on October 26, 2011, 07:24:49 PM +0100
Interesting, thanks Manteos.

Some people seem to adapt easily to a variety of cars. I've realised i do struggle with pretty much all of them! Some cars tho i can just drive with few changes tho like 997.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: goldtop on October 26, 2011, 07:52:30 PM +0100
I had a few trial laps and can confirm the RS is slower here and more difficult than the Cup car (997) by about a second or so. No surprise really as I always said it was track dependant.

I'm in the same camp as spanner on this, but I blame it on my revered teamies who always advised me to persevere with the porkas when I started out.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 26, 2011, 09:01:00 PM +0100
Interesting that Manteos' testing showed no individual laptime advantage here.... The Porka's will just have to rely on their better fuel consumption & lesser tyre wear to win! :whistling: :ninja: ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: goldtop on October 26, 2011, 09:07:30 PM +0100
Interesting that Manteos' testing showed no individual laptime advantage here.... The Porka's will just have to rely on their better fuel consumption & lesser tyre wear to win! :whistling: :ninja: ;D

And I can always rely on my rock solid pitstop strategy  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Manteos on October 27, 2011, 12:26:55 PM +0100
Interesting that Manteos' testing showed no individual laptime advantage here.... The Porka's will just have to rely on their better fuel consumption & lesser tyre wear to win! :whistling: :ninja: ;D

Tyre wear will be my subsequent test Legzy. Here in lime rock will be an hard work for the front/rear left tyres, there are 5 corners to the right and only 1 to the left.
Surely the tyre wear is a key factor for a 60 mins race. Maybe this evening after the GTL race, I should be able to do some tests.

Cu :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: APEXTECHUSA on October 27, 2011, 07:51:17 PM +0100
excuse me for asking such a dum question,but on pitting do i have to change tires and gas,or u can just do 1 of the 2 like tires with no gas,or gas and no tires,or just gas,or just tires?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: quicksilver384 on October 27, 2011, 08:06:23 PM +0100
From what I have read you can do both if you want but can just do 2 or more tyres or fuel if that's all that's needed.

Anyone know where I can get a template for the Z4?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 27, 2011, 11:50:32 PM +0100
excuse me for asking such a dum question,but on pitting do i have to change tires and gas,or u can just do 1 of the 2 like tires with no gas,or gas and no tires,or just gas,or just tires?
It details it for you in post one Apex :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 28, 2011, 12:02:42 AM +0100
Interesting that Manteos' testing showed no individual laptime advantage here.... The Porka's will just have to rely on their better fuel consumption & lesser tyre wear to win! :whistling: :ninja: ;D
Tyre wear will be my subsequent test Legzy.
Maybe this evening after the GTL race, I should be able to do some tests.
:fencing:
I hope you're not going to insist on scientifically testing all the facts rumours rubbish I come up with? :no: :lol:


p.s. H@L, don't listen to him! If we start agreeing that the Porka has no unfair advantage, how will we possibly continue to anoy MJ so hilariously on such a regular basis? :-X
p.p.s. Manteos, there's a dozen €'s in it for you if you fake the test results :shifty:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: spanner on October 28, 2011, 08:52:32 AM +0100
As we're clearly being persecuted for driving a car we like :P I managed to try a few last night. It took about 10 laps in the 360 before getting down to 55's but found the car understeer too much. In the 997 for comparison my 2nd timed lap was in the 54's and the car felt quite easy to drive, the rear engine helping to guide the car really sweetly through the first section. However i shall plump with the F430. Its a bit nicer than the 360 and actually feels like the front tyres are in contact with the ground and you can feel what its doing. Getting down to 53.'s helped ;) ( all times with 80L on)

EDIT Err the tracks taking a bit to get used, theres definately a corner or two missing in there.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: goldtop on October 28, 2011, 09:33:48 AM +0100
I'll be online tonight trying to find a car that I can be a bit slower in then. Shouldn't be too difficult  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Mark J on October 28, 2011, 10:34:22 AM +0100
ive been away touring Belgium all week so missed the MJ-porker baiting  :hammer:  and surprisingly yes, judging by how little fuel i used in the 911 this week, any advantage in GTR2 is well placed  ;)

Should be okay to race this sunday, should be fun at LimeRock in this class


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: spanner on October 28, 2011, 11:54:38 AM +0100
You mean your actually going to join us! :o ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Manteos on October 28, 2011, 01:34:55 PM +0100
ive been away touring Belgium all week so missed the MJ-porker baiting  :hammer:  and surprisingly yes, judging by how little fuel i used in the 911 this week, any advantage in GTR2 is well placed  ;)

Did you check the tyre wear?  ;D ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: spanner on October 28, 2011, 09:33:40 PM +0100
Any chance of a clarification of the weather? Not sure GTR2 does snow storms :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: quicksilver384 on October 28, 2011, 10:06:35 PM +0100
could be interesting lol


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Mark J on October 29, 2011, 01:22:39 PM +0100
i just reinstalled the 3 packs (into the correct directory  ::) ) but still cant and now can get on the LR server, same boot message  :(

the 997cup cars have all lost their skins still.  ??? Do i take it they arent being used in the new series? ie we use ye olde (but nicely balanced) 996 cars?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: goldtop on October 29, 2011, 01:44:56 PM +0100
i just reinstalled the 3 packs (into the correct directory  ::) ) but still cant and now can get on the LR server, same boot message  :(

the 997cup cars have all lost their skins still.  ??? Do i take it they arent being used in the new series? ie we use ye olde (but nicely balanced) 996 cars?

The Cup car and its skins should be available MJ, so I'd guess there's something amiss there. Prepare for castigation by some if you decide to run it though :laugh:

I had a lot of fun trying a few different cars last night. The Exige was slightly mad and a great drive but suffers with severe front left tyre wear for me. The Vertigo was also fun, but much too slow. I enjoyed the Morgan most of all and will probably take that, even if it means me being a bit off the pace.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: H@L9000 on October 29, 2011, 02:14:51 PM +0100
Any chance of a clarification of the weather?

We will not use a ambient temp of lower than 12 degrees C. Snow will be the equivalent of rain so if it is snowing in real life on Sunday then we will have rain in our sim race. No snow tyres in GTR. ;D


i just reinstalled the 3 packs (into the correct directory  ::) ) but still cant and now can get on the LR server, same boot message  :(

the 997cup cars have all lost their skins still.  ??? Do i take it they aren't being used in the new series? ie we use ye olde (but nicely balanced) 996 cars?

It sounds like you have a problem there MJ, I am not sure what it could be, sorry. :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Mark J on October 29, 2011, 03:17:55 PM +0100
eek...rain !? at Limerock? already difficult enough with the undulating nature and that bastich tight uphill chicane!! Im with the ALMS guys, i prefer that corner without the chicane. Still amazes me they run LMP1 cars in multi class racing around this place!  :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: APEXTECHUSA on October 29, 2011, 09:32:48 PM +0100
not good for my 1st home race in a league see u all tomorrow!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: JonM_uk on October 29, 2011, 09:50:28 PM +0100
So looks like it will be just cold for the race?
Is there still a minimum temperature that we run to(15*C from memory) or will it be around 4-6*C?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: spanner on October 29, 2011, 10:04:53 PM +0100
Hope you join us Jon. I imagine H@L's post above should have answered your question!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: JonM_uk on October 29, 2011, 10:07:13 PM +0100
 :wetfish:
I really should read more :-[
Unless there is an emergency at home I will be attending :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: goldtop on October 29, 2011, 10:17:41 PM +0100
The Morgan is very slow for me in the rain.....at least 2 secs slower than the 997 in a quick offline test  :o

In any case, it's looking like I can't make this one now  :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Manteos on October 30, 2011, 03:19:36 PM +0000
No race for me this evening... I will come back next Sunday ;)

Have fun chaps :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: APEXTECHUSA on October 30, 2011, 04:56:41 PM +0000
nice and sunny here in CONNECTICUT see u later


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: H@L9000 on October 30, 2011, 07:36:30 PM +0000
1st post updated with weather forecast and number of laps.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 30, 2011, 07:47:23 PM +0000
An unexpected bonus to do this biased to guarantee a Porka wins :whistling: race tonight, I've always liked Lime Rock in every car/sim I've tried, so I'll do my best to shine in the poor little Fezza ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Truetom on October 30, 2011, 08:58:38 PM +0000
Rookie mistake. :-X Lost it in the chicane, puncture. Pitted and instead of "no fuel" picked "no tyre change". ::) Couldn't believe what I did and exited pits still with full head of self disgust. Apologize to API who hit me while chasing Jon. My mistake, sorry. :-[ :oops: :no: :thumbdown:

Please pick this track without chicane next time.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: quicksilver384 on October 30, 2011, 09:22:19 PM +0000
Something happened on lap 20something, ran wide on last corner, got onto opposite side of road on the grass and at 120 computer decided i was pitting in and cut to cockpit view and crashed me into a wall.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Jamera on October 30, 2011, 09:58:55 PM +0000
Great race everyone, Z4 was a lovely drive round here, but just totally lacked the straight line speed. I was also stick shifting this race, which was really enjoyable, but clearly the combo of Z4 and stick shift shifting here wasn't working for me and meant I was about 4-5 secs a lap off the pace


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: JonM_uk on October 30, 2011, 10:07:03 PM +0000
I was pretty happy with qually but struggled to get to grips with the car when It was light, when I threw the softs on I just span out everywhere. They would've prolly worn out before I could get them up to to temp anyway ;D
 A bit of a scruffy first half of the race for me. I think I was trying to go faster than my qually lap and took too many risks. After my pit stop I just went at 95% and was more consistent. The 997 was certainly the class of the field, I think I may take something else for the next one.

Well done finishing the race stick shifting Jams 8) Nice effort

Was nice to have a race back here and I'll look forward to more races this season ;D

Nice race all 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: SRW on October 30, 2011, 10:09:37 PM +0000
race started ok for me and was picking up spots as people ran wide, then i made a few mistakes and started slipping down the order again, then i ran wide a couple of corners before the run up to the hill before the chicane and suddenly seemed to be a lap down from everyone else (i ran very wide and seemed to be on the grass for ages before i regained the track, so may have got penalty for cutting corner but i thought you get a drive through penalty for that sort of thing?)

just kept going after that slipping further behind everyone else :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: H@L9000 on October 30, 2011, 10:16:07 PM +0000
Results and replay in the usual places


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: API on October 30, 2011, 10:20:31 PM +0000
Apologize to API who hit me while chasing Jon. My mistake, sorry. :-[ :oops: :no: :thumbdown:

NP, TT. I didn't even get any significant damage. :)  Bad luck that your race ended there. :(

Well, that kind of race this time, lol. After the incident with TT, I just continuously ran corners wide and had a few spins here and there. :D Sorry if any of those silly mistakes had an influence on someone's race. Anyway, I had fun and hope that everyone else had too. Congratulations for Jon and nsfast. 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Mark J on October 31, 2011, 08:14:37 AM +0000
bit of a disaster for me. Had spent a few hours getting a race setup that i was reasonably happy with, but hadnt done any low fuel runs nor noticed the 2x fuel statement. So qualied about 3rd from back which is a hindrance on such a tight track.

But race start was fine, had good battles with several cars around me and when i finally cleared the rear pack i soon pulled out a 5+ sec lead working upto 7th and a good 10+ sec lead at the pitstops. As usual, thats where it all went wrong for me. I got a stop & go for pitlane speeding and didnt take enough fuel onboard for the 2nd stint. Sadly, at that point, as it meant dropping to dead last and no chance of catching the leaders...we need safety car periods to close the field back up !  ;) , combined with an ongoing neck nerve problem, i thought it best to retire.  :(

Good turnout though and the racing was tough, close and competitive.  :)  Congrats to the maestro Jon on his win  8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: spanner on October 31, 2011, 01:35:27 PM +0000
Tricky race, frustrating as i never got comfortable with the car, the times just didnt seem to come like when i was practising on friday. Api kept falling off behind me as he was clearly faster then me but gained on me then fell off again! Sorry if i put you off. But i just couldnt keep pace with those ahead, even H@L got through during the stops and sailed away from me. Even getting lapped twice by Jon! Oh the shame :ninja:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: API on October 31, 2011, 01:51:30 PM +0000
Tricky race, frustrating as i never got comfortable with the car, the times just didnt seem to come like when i was practising on friday. Api kept falling off behind me as he was clearly faster then me but gained on me then fell off again! Sorry if i put you off.

Haha, no worries mate. That was just me making stupid mistakes by my own. :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Truetom on October 31, 2011, 05:51:56 PM +0000
... even H@L got through ... Oh the shame :ninja:

 :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 31, 2011, 07:45:15 PM +0000
... even H@L got through ... Oh the shame :ninja:
:D
My goodness, I hadn't realised you were struggling that badly Spanner!!! :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: nsfast on October 31, 2011, 09:17:24 PM +0000
Unusual race for me last night and little lonely.  ??? I was a lot slower than Jon_M, and after API dropped back able to build a good gap to the cars behind without having to push too hard. I guess the Z4 was the car to have for this one. My only mistake was not changing tyres in a optimistic attempt to catch John_M.  ::) Result was a rather slow final half of the race with Jon_m going further off into the distance.

Good to see the team score well with the new recruits showing some good pace.  ;)

Congrats to Jon_M on the win and API on the recovery drive.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 15 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Lime Rock (chicane) - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 31, 2011, 09:39:53 PM +0000
Enjoyed that chaps, maybe should have done a bit better, but forgot we were doing the chicane version about 4 times :-[ :laugh:
I'm sure at best it could only have been 4th, but maybe 4th could have cut out an error too.... that's racing :)

Still shocked at how easy it was to keep API well behind me in the 1st half & then I did a double 360 into the chicane, allowing him to catch me, I pitted & when I came out he was ahead & just left me for dust, despite me going faster! ??? :laugh:

Still, another good team oldie result :scooter: