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Practice: 19:20 (UK London) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (38 laps)
Cars allowed: Drivers occupying Rank 1 to 3 - Ford Mustang NTK or Ford Falcon Sprint
                     Drivers occupying Rank 4 to 6 - The cars above plus Ford Mustang BSCC or Ford Falcon Mann
                     Drivers occupying Rank 7 to 10 - Any of the above plus Ford Mustang ATCC or Ford Falcon Weslake Heads
                     New Drivers - Any of the above

Maximum of 9 drives per make (Falcon/Mustang). Check your status here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuS59xI7-YTLdG1jSldhNEdsRklvUXVvQXpVNDY5NGc)

Track: Portland 2007 (no chicane) http://www.gamefront.com/files/21142294/Portland_2007_NAGP.7z
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

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Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=349&theme=34)

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Some background material about this circuit http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/NAmerica/USA/OR/portland71-83.html

Thanks Tony.

PnG is proving to be very educational these days.

love that North American cup banner in the champ standings with the old Mustang. You should use those banners in your adverts on other forums, they grab attention!  :)

Another great track i remember from my Papyrus Indycar Days  :)

Thought i'd put an early chalk up on the timing board 1:18.5 for me in the Mustang  :)

Nice one Mark.

You could get a glimps of John from there.

yes, i'll see him for at least the first two corners of the race perhaps  ;D

I should be on the server this evening to do some training laps. I don't know Portland, but checking the layout seems quite easy to learn. Hope to see someone later :)

Cu :)

Drivers, please remember to check that your driving the correct car for your current ranking.

New drivers can ignore.

Guess that John will be too busy chasing Manteos in his top of the range Mustang to worry about where we are Mark.  ;D

Not much chance of that happening in the NTK! I'm hoping for a mid-table result at best..

Oh dear!

That puts me in the caboose!

cough...sandbagging....cough  :D

No other times posted yet?...c'mon you lot, spill the beans. How's a man supposed to know whether he's on or off the pace?  :P

1.18.900 here, but that was a one-off, and even if I could, I wouldn't try to play with the big boys here. I find this track narrow, tricky, and I keep getting 'lost in transmission'  ;)

Stig

Don't worry guys... I know that I will have no chance to do all the champ races, and I never competed to win the champ here in Simracing.org, but only for fun. It wouldn't be honorable for me to go with a Weslake Heads and kill the race. I prefere to be evenly matched, and in case, to be defeated by John or anyone else ;)

I've done few laps in the NTK yesterday evening. I'm not a great fun of the track/car combo, but I'll try to do a better setup this evening. At the moment, I turned in 1.19. low in race trim, but I was in practice 1 session, and the grip was very poor. Actually I don't know how much I can improve my time, cause I never completed a "clean" lap yet. I Hope to be able to do more laps this evening...

John, would you give me a good laptime to aim for in the NTK, please? (With race fuel)

Cu :)

incidentally, Tonys post over at No-grip for the new P&G seasons had 203 views last time i looked. (I updated it to mention this weeks US race). You would think that would attract a few racers out of that 203 people! We had one new face last week!   ???

Re times, ive seen a westlake do a 1:17 in the AI's hands at 115%, but i was reasonably happy with my 1:18's (also done in low grip praccy1).

narrow? really?

I didn't realise that there was a grip diference between praccy/qually/race session's. Is this true?

Sure, I've managed 1:18.0 in offline practice and timetrial with 10 laps of fuel onboard. Haven't tried with race fuel yet. I was about 1 second slower with the falcon Sprint.


Yes, I believe it differs slightly between most of the sessions, both offline and online. IIRC there's more grip in timetrial, not sure about the rest. There was a post about it on one of the other forums a while ago, I expect the GTR2 guys here will know the details.

I'm always a bit slower in Practice 1 session than in Practice 2, in which my laptimes are much closer to the warm up/race session laptimes.

Regarding qualif sessions, I'm always faster in qualif 1 session, but it's not only me. In Italy we use to do the qualif. in qualif. 1 session, and at the same time we use to train with race setup in practice 2 or quali 2 session, never in Practice 1... we use to vote and skip it very fastly  ;D

P.S. Thx for the answer John :)

Ok Carp, I'm only doing 1:21's in the fastest Falcon  >:(

Same here, and 1.20.2 in the ATCC Mustang  8) but in the 1.18's with my favorite car at the moment - a little Simca CG 1200S !!

Could improve to 1.19.6 in the ATCC Mustang so far. I think that will be my choice for tomorrow.

i tried the ATCC last night and got into the 17's  :)

I don't think that people should get too hung up on lap times.  Those quoted only relate to qualifying.

Keeping on the grey bit for the whole race will be more important and the tyres on the NTK give of their best somewhere just after it is wheeled out of scrutineering!

I tried that Time trial part of P&G last night. I thought it was really good and certainly made for a more interesting praccy season. Wish I'd found that out before  ::)

Is that an online or offline lap time MJ? Full tank or qualy fuel?

I tried other 10 mins yesterday evening, but I dislike to drive alone on the server, so after I discovered that I was stucked into the low 19's in race trim, I quitted the server. Probably I could get into the high 18's with a lighter car after some laps, but I'm not sure of it.
No qualif lap times yet, but I guess I will be on low 18's... who knows  :)

Cu later :)

It was offline Manteos, 1st praccy sesh with 15mins of fuel onboard. I did mid 18's with 40min fuel load and yellow spot (medium) tyres.

Clive, as it goes i hardly run low fuel runs as much these days as i prefer to maximise my little spare time by testing a race setup, especially for P&G racing. But being a bit rubbish with US muscle cars i tried qually runs this time to gauge my pace. :)  Running both modes was useful for tyre choice too as i hadnt known the mustang would cream a set of white spots within a few laps, not to mention  my praccy upto last night had used Goodyear tyres, not Dunlops  :P

Just started doing some practice - my PC crashed though after a few laps which is unusual in GTR2.
Hoping it survives the race as it seems a good fun circuit in these tanks :D

Roughly 1:18's on race fuel and tyres in the Mann here. Daresay the fuel is too high as I was literally in the middle of calculating fuel use when it died  ::)

At the third spin I decided to go back and watch the football match... It was not funny at all with this car without a decent setup.

Cu :)

Qualifying quite good considering lack of practice.  Race more or less as expected but exiting last turn, too heavy right boot and hit wall wrecking left front end.  Pitted for repairs, left garage with Zero engine life.  Did a few more laps went off and sat there whilst leaders went by - now 3 laps down, so quit.

Tony, you gave me a bum steer with the cars!  It says rank 7 to 10 any of above cars plus ATCC and westlake ! My rank on your excell sheet is 8  ??? I read that twice this week. Didnt think i had suddenly got so fast as to get same slower car choice as Manteos and Johnw !!  :o

I knew something would go wrong tonight as it always does when i have a rare week that i can match the front few for pace before the event ::)

Changing cars during qually fubard me as i hadnt done any testing with that Mustang with Cr9670 tyres. The other two stangs i had used in praccy all week had different tyres and all that i had done to eliminate understeer with that front left tyre haunted me tonight  :(

Ah well, qualied 5th or 6th. Had an okay race, battles with manteos early on until i clipped a tyre wall on exit of final chicane. It span me and dropped me to 10th  :'( Fought my way back up to 5th after some great battles with Stig and Alex  :fencing: They sadly fell off at different places and i took it home for a distant 5th. Nearly threw it away with two late trips to the grass as my front left was knackered. :o

Well done Muttram and pody  8)

MJ, the spreadsheet is recording, for your convenience, the number of times you race either of the cars. It's sole purpose in life is to stop you taking either car more than the permitted nine times (it will never record a number higher than 9).

Your rank is where you are in the league table. You began this race with a rank of FOURTH. Hence your car choice was limited.

This track will never be a favorite of mine, but never the less, I had one of the most entertaining races in P&G  ;D

Great duel with first Bill, the Tony and then Alex and MJ. At some point the 3 of us were running a side in between two turns  ........ close, clean and great fun :thumbup2:

Stig

Results and replay now posted

And nice to see LesN again  :)

ah okay, didnt know you meant 'finishing positions from the first race'. In the first post you list the categories 1-9 for car choices then very next sentence says 'check your status here', which i took to mean i was an 8  :-\
No problem, too late now anyway.

Semi decent turn out again  :) Just a couple more drivers would fill it out nicely as it still gets a bit quiet late on in the races.

In the first post I list the categories as 1-10.

I had a cracking race last night, chose to take the Mann Falcon as I've always prefered it and after learning the circuit, rapidly started to get the setup dialled in (mostly thanks to it being pretty much correct to begin with)
I was as suprised as everyone else I think when I started putting in low 17's in qualifying trim, but when I managed that 1:17.3 on the third lap of the race I nearly crashed in shock!  :D
Even looking back at the replay I'm not quite sure how I managed it, I suspect thanks go to Ade as he was staying close enough to really make me concentrate on lines and braking points. So that plus fresh rubber gave me a fantastic lap  8)

I had quite a lonely race after the first few laps and apart from the odd backmarker (and Sandor's interestingly parked Falcon) didn't really see anyone.
All the lapped traffic was great, the only scare I had was when Hotkeys rejoined right infront of me on the final turn, not really his fault though as I don't think there was anyway he could have seen I was coming from that point in the corner.

A good start to this championship for me, hopefully I'll manage to continue making an appearence and have a go at the big prize again!  :angel:

Well, I figured, you might need something to break the monotony and solitude up front  :scared:................. nah, seriously, I never saw you coming.
 I apologize, and I'm glad I didn't ruin your race.

Stig

Satisfactory one for me.

Could score a 1.19.8 in quali but changed back to hard tyres and higher (front-)tyre pressure
for the race in order to prevent tyre overheating which obviously was a good decision :) although
I could barely reach quali times.
During the first laps I was able to follow Alex but had no chance for overtaking.
After Manteos or Stig (don't know exactly cause I have not yet watched the replay) passed
I made my first mistake, lost some places and found myself behind Tony whom I tried to
catch up and overtake for some laps without success. I was very close sometimes but always made
little mistakes which avoided the overtaking (in general I noticed that I was able to brake a little bit
later at the end of the straight than the rivals - even the leaders - but the danger of missing the braking
point was always present, especially when driving close to competitors).
In the end I lost contact to Tony around lap 15 or so due to an extended and solid ride  ;D.
After some more laps Tony obviously had some issues on his part which led to a change in positions again
 - this time for good.
Good to get some more experience with the tanks.
Hoping for further improvements.

Thanks to Tony and Navin for some hints concerning the setup  :)

my god, just seen we are at Laguna Seca next round in these understeery tanks !  :o the corkscrew will be a challenge and a half !  :P

Even more suprising...i am 3rd after two rounds  :o  ;D

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/PortJan12/)

Action packed race all the way. First harassed by Eifel, the Mark & Stig. Normally I'm not in the same league but I was saved by the sheer grunt of the Falcon Mann on the straights.
Great battles.
Last couple of laps were sheer mayham. Drove the left front wheel on the rim, no rubber left (38 wear). Falcon all over the place with Stig gaining rapidly.
The let John through but had to keep up speed to prevent Stig from passing me (sry John if it looked a bit out of control).
Rubbed some paint with Stig and then saw Mark passing me  ??? Quite confused.

Congrats to podium and all we kept it on the grey stuff. Hard work. Congrats also to Les for finishing.

Now realizing the I am confined to the slowest Falcon on 'my favorite' Laguna Seca.. Gonna be a sittin' duck  :wheelchair:
 

Out of curiosity, how were you lot driving your respective tanks as I notice nearly everyone had issues with their front lefts!
I admittedly don't run XD so have no idea what my wear was, but my fronts were fine still come the end, I had enough grip to drift most of the circuit in celebration  ;D

I just ask as I noticed most cars appeared to be carrying loads of speed into the corners and then drifting through/out. I was getting most of my braking done early on this circuit and aside from occasionally riding the brake into T1 for balence if I went in slightly hot I managed to steer the car on the throttle and avoid really using the fronts that much..

While I'm possibly throwing away an advantage I thought some of you might like to try it :)

Simple answer is if some of us tried that we'd be in the scenery for most of the race  :'(

I was of the opinion that starting with a lower tyre pressure helped prevent tyre overheating.

Can we get some expert tell us the truth please?

It's a tricky one Tony. (like everything in motorsport!  ;D)
Higher pressures can dissipate heat better as I remember it, but you've obviously still got to balance that with the fact the tyre will heat up and further gain pressure as it's used. So it can be a fair bit of work getting the right 'hot' pressure at the end of the process.

Think (will check later if you like) I had pressures ranging from 35 to about 40 psi for that race and ended up with good balanced temps still at the end.
I think I normally end up with the cold pressures in heavily used tyres being higher than unused tyres :)

i got my tyre pressures near spot on in the two stangs i had practised with, and also took off some front left camber to 'flatten' the tyre out under hard cornering and it worked a treat. Alas i hadnt done that with the stang i ended up in for the race and therefore suffered the front left overheating on the inside edge, causing wash out on the corner entries. You really need to check the P&G tyre manual for pressures for the different tyre combos on these car. Tyre testing does help if you perservere. I knocked a couple of secs off my lap times at Portland from the pressures i started with to what i ended up with. Do 3-4+ lap tests at a time using XD or Motec-add etc, escape to garage and tweak as necessary, then do another 3-4 laps. Any less than 3 laps is pointless as the tyre doesnt get up to temperature.

When you talk about tires, some hot air is fine  :balloon: :clown: ;)

Stig

eheh, yeah im full of hot air  ;D

I always refer to the P&G tyre book cos I find that usually the default setups have way to much tyre pressure. I usually do about ten laps then pit and adjust the pressures all round to get them to be under the recommended max pressure when racing. Good tip about adjusting the camber for the problem tyre though. Hope I remember that tip.

It's not always possible though - GT40's are a particularly big pain in that regard!

I used to mess about with cambers a lot when I was fresh from GPL but I can't say that it ever appeared to have much effect.  These days I just try to adjust the pressures so that the middle temperature is roughly half way between the inner and outer.

As for my race, it was a bit quiet apart from the start, not that I'm complaining.  I like quiet and I daresay that when the handicaps have gained a proper foothold, and we don't have fast blokes in fast cars, there will be plenty of time for action later in the season.

I was off the line well, which meant that my main concern was not to belt John in the first corner.  We were side-by-side and I felt a lot happier once he had pulled in front.  The next excitement came at T1 on Lap 2, when I almost ran into the back of John and got well out of shape.  I was just far enough in front of Manteos to keep him behind and thankfully he dropped back after that.

John was chasing after the two Falcons ahead and I just did my best to keep up.  I could see John getting closer and closer to Ade and after a while there was a cloud of dust on the outside of the final turn and I found Ade recovering from an off.

I had a couple of laps in front of Ade but then also made a mistake at the last turn and he was back past me again.  I tried to stay in touch but my encountering a car to lap by running around the outside of T3 dropped me back a tad.  T3 gave me problems from day-one on this track and I could never match the speed that John was able to come out of there at.

Then it was just a drive to the finish.

Thanks to Tony for an interesting series and it will be interesting to see if we can continue to work out which cars we can drive in the next one.  I believe that inside-leg measurement and hat size come into it for the final round!