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Title: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 08, 2011, 01:09:36 PM +0000
RUNNING P&G V3

Racing in the Pilsbierbude lobby. Make sure your LOCAL _IP_LOBBY.TXT file contains 91.121.102.7
Some have found that they can get straight in. Others have had change their username or password or both.

Practice: 19:20 (UK London) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (24 laps)
Cars allowed: Drivers occupying Rank 1 to 7 - Ford Mustang NTK or Ford Falcon Sprint
                     Drivers occupying Rank 8 to 14 - The cars above plus Ford Mustang BSCC or Ford Falcon Mann
                     Drivers occupying Rank 15 to 22 - Any of the above plus Ford Mustang ATCC or Ford Falcon Weslake Heads
                     New Drivers - Any of the above

Maximum of 9 drives per make (Falcon/Mustang). Check your status here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuS59xI7-YTLdG1jSldhNEdsRklvUXVvQXpVNDY5NGc)

Track: Montreal (v1.0.0.0) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg76901#post_montreal)

Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: None required

Server: simracing.org.uk NAC
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=349&theme=34)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race.

RUNNING P&G V3


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 18, 2011, 04:18:22 PM +0000
Bit confusing the way that it says Nov 8th in the title.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: spanner on November 18, 2011, 04:55:27 PM +0000
I think a year in advance is pushing a bit isnt it Tony???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 19, 2011, 07:06:59 PM +0000
Nope


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 20, 2011, 10:39:29 AM +0000

Don't knock it Spanner.

It means that we know SBRC will be champions for a whole year!!!    :jumpjoy: :rockon: :punk: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 06, 2012, 08:37:04 AM +0000
Matt has put P&G 3 on the server so you now have a choice.

Please post your preference here.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Alex vV on November 06, 2012, 08:52:58 AM +0000
My preference is PnG3.
Got it working next to PnG2   :angel:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 06, 2012, 10:22:21 AM +0000
Oh yes please, let's get P&G 3 on the road :- ))

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: SpecialKS on November 06, 2012, 10:38:49 AM +0000
P&G V3 of course :-)))

Have two installs on my pc - one each for V2.1 and V3 - so no problem for me at all.

Thanks Matt for putting V3 on the server ;-)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 06, 2012, 12:34:23 PM +0000
Haven't installed it yet.

Too busy. 


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 06, 2012, 12:41:52 PM +0000
+1


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 06, 2012, 01:29:08 PM +0000
P&G3 would be my preference. They have improved/corrected all the cars that were in P&G2 as well as providing all the glorious new cars! so surely its a no-brainer?

I have both versions installed still.

First thursday in ages i am actually indoors for some racing. But i refuse to drive a sh*tbox falcon !  ;)

Get it installed Clive and Tony, you will not regret it!! The cars feel and sound amazing.
Having said that, if your still in your marathon long NAC season dont let me interrupt you  :-*


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: SpecialKS on November 06, 2012, 01:44:06 PM +0000
@ Clive and Tony:

install of P&G V3 is a totally automatic thing of two or three minutes using the installer - if you did already download
the mod and if you have an clean GTR2 install available ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 06, 2012, 03:49:18 PM +0000
I just tried the P&G V3 Falcon at Montreal, and what a thrill it was compared to P&G V2

It's as if there is no point of return, once you have tried P&G V3   ;D

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: johnw on November 06, 2012, 06:48:06 PM +0000
I don't mind which we do - I have both installed. Would be nice to use v3 as I haven't had much time on it so far, but not if it's at the expense of people who haven't downloaded it yet.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 06, 2012, 07:09:07 PM +0000
I agree with with the V3 consensus. Admittedly I'm neither a contender nor able to guarantee I'll be there but V3 is simple too much better not to  ;D

Still have 2.1 installed though incase that is the choice run with  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 07, 2012, 07:12:24 AM +0000
I think that I now have it installed but will not have the chance to find out if it works until Thursday as I have made a commitment to another series on wednesdays.  Having done my share of arranging seasons of races I like to see things out once I have said that I will be there.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 07, 2012, 09:21:28 AM +0000
Let's do V3 then and if I get mine installed I'll join you


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 07, 2012, 10:12:54 AM +0000
 :clap: :punk: :jumpjoy:

We've been waiting for V3 to come out for sooooo long, so it's think you made the right descision by switching to it straight away Tony.

It's just so much better, that it is bound to attrack more people to the grids. If you have a look at the Gamers Crib public server, you'll se 10-25 people racing most of the time !


Stig




Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 07, 2012, 12:32:13 PM +0000
Not convinced it's that much better? It is better, but the cars still handle like they
weigh twice as much as they should. There is a hint of the GTR2 responsiveness
and there are more cars to play with. Mostly it's the sounds that I found impressive
the RS1600 sounds glorious  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: SpecialKS on November 07, 2012, 12:48:31 PM +0000
Ducfreak did fantastic work concerning the sounds - especially the Alfa GTA and the BMW CSL.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 07, 2012, 12:53:56 PM +0000
It is better, but the cars still handle like they
weigh twice as much as they should.

Really? I havent found that in the cars ive tried so far (about 10+). I was loving dancing the 2.8RSRs around on the throttle last night, it felt nimble and alive like my own 911 does on track. Only older 'real' cars ive driven on track for comparison are an E-type, a D-type, a Mk2 Jag and an old aston and trust me none of them were nimble on their tyres either, they felt like heavy old lumps on skinny tyres!  The capris and escorts seem pretty much what i remember from years of driving or paxing in, so maybe the p&g team have it as right as poss within the limitations of the gtr2 engine  ;)

is there a test server setup for this track and the P&G3 cars? Think it would be wise for folks to jump online briefly before the event and test for any problems. I dread to think what might or might not cause mismatches/ctds etc.

pps...can i race using a mustang (of the correct class) and not a Falcon? I dont even care if i cant score points, i just want to enjoy racing you guys but i really have no inclination to learn or drive a Falcon!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 07, 2012, 12:58:05 PM +0000
It's just so much better, that it is bound to attrack more people to the grids. If you have a look at the Gamers Crib public server, you'll se 10-25 people racing most of the time !
Stig

worth putting a notice over on the GC servers to tell them about the racing here? Fuller grids always welcome!

ps...P&G FAQ

3. You mentioned that patching the Player (in the P&G Launcher) also improves multiplayer. How is this possible?

- We change some single lines in the .plr file that has largely tried and proven very effective by the community. This makes multiplayer collisions much better and also lowers lag effects. It is not necessary for all clients to have those changes and they do not create mismatches or boots, but we do recommend it. Use as you wish they are perfectly safe.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 07, 2012, 01:50:06 PM +0000
I agree old cars tend to handle like battleships, but things like the Escort or Beemer on fat soft
racing tyres still feel like there are lumps of lead on board just MHO of course.
My 106 on road tyres kicks the back out faster than these proper racers.
Check out my in car vid from Ty Croes in a previous post.

Anyroadup, I keep putting up a test race - now the practice server for next week's event.
Tony might kill it for this weeks practice server, but either way there is something v3 of ours up
and running. (n.b we are using Altbiere not the Simbin lobby)

Oh, I don't mind the Flagon, so I am happy to swap one of my Mustangs with one of MJ's Flagons
(If MC Wiltshire is ok with that.)  :angel:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: goldtop on November 07, 2012, 04:36:20 PM +0000
Now I'm really spoilt for choice. I'm leading a GSC championship in another league (after 1 round  ;D) and round 2 clashes with this race  ::) Still, I'm glad to see that V3 is being adopted so quickly here and I'm sure it will prove to be very successful.

As for the car's handling, while the defaults are very easy and good to drive straight out of the box they do benefit from a little tweaking to get them up on their toes. I've briefly driven most of the cars now and I'd be happy to race any of them.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 07, 2012, 06:59:59 PM +0000
I think MJ should take the Falcon.

Other drivers are battling for podium places and it would be a shame if someone driving a car that they were not entitled to drive should effect the points scored by one of the title challengers.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 07, 2012, 07:08:42 PM +0000
Oops, trouble at the Mill .......

I can join Adelaide without any problems, but when I try to join Montreal, I get this message:

"Game not available. Host may run an updated or modified game"

I'm using the track from the DL- link in the race announcement.

Any suggestions as to what might be the problem ?

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 07, 2012, 07:17:44 PM +0000
Oops, trouble at the Mill .......

I can join Adelaide without any problems, but when I try to join Montreal, I get this message:

"Game not available. Host may run an updated or modified game"

I'm using the track from the DL- link in the race announcement.

Any suggestions as to what might be the problem ?

Stig

It may be due to me not having setup the V3 version on the server yet. I'm just about to do that so try again later. I'll post here once I'm done.

EDIT: Please try now and report back


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 07, 2012, 07:41:53 PM +0000
i just tried the falcon over at gamers crib lobby and it didnt find it that bad to drive (for a heap of heavy junk)so may venture into the race tomorrow. Im getting used to my stick shift so will use it as good experience building under race conditions!  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 07, 2012, 07:43:59 PM +0000
It works fine now Tony  ;D

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 07, 2012, 07:45:27 PM +0000
i just tried the falcon over at gamers crib lobby and it didnt find it that bad to drive (for a heap of heavy junk)so may venture into the race tomorrow. Im getting used to my stick shift so will use it as good experience building under race conditions!  :)

Remember to switch back to the Pilsnerbude server Mark !

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 07, 2012, 07:54:58 PM +0000
any reason why the pils server is still being used when the normal simbin one is back up and running? Bit of a pita to have to have two different lobby files and rename each time depending on whether i want to race GC or SROUK


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: johnw on November 07, 2012, 07:57:12 PM +0000
This is going to take some getting used to - I'd previously had the Falcon Sprint handling like a reasonable approximation of an actual car, but now it's gone all flobbery (technical term). Should be fun trying to sail it around here tomorrow ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Alex vV on November 07, 2012, 08:38:16 PM +0000
Oops, trouble at the Mill .......

I can join Adelaide without any problems, but when I try to join Montreal, I get this message:

"Game not available. Host may run an updated or modified game"

I'm using the track from the DL- link in the race announcement.

Any suggestions as to what might be the problem ?

Stig

It may be due to me not having setup the V3 version on the server yet. I'm just about to do that so try again later. I'll post here once I'm done.

EDIT: Please try now and report back

Errr... i've installed Montreal but when I look at the Pils Srou server it says Adelaide88. Cannot join either.
Doing something wrong?


Never mind, was looking at wrong server. Looks like 2 servers are running atm.

duh  :P


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 07, 2012, 08:43:11 PM +0000
This is going to take some getting used to - I'd previously had the Falcon Sprint handling like a reasonable approximation of an actual car, but now it's gone

I disagree John. IMHO  they now behave much more like real cars. For instance the way they react to counter steering, and the way they respond to the curbs feels more realistic. Notice, thar the default setup is VERY soft!

So far the only car in V3 that seems 'off' IMO is the Lotus Super 7.


Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: johnw on November 07, 2012, 09:01:29 PM +0000
I disagree John. IMHO  they now behave much more like real cars.

I didn't say it was less realistic ;D I'm sure that's how it's supposed to drive!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 07, 2012, 09:34:36 PM +0000
Pils was kept as the general feeling (mine for sure) was that the Simbin server was more likely to go away for ever
than the Pils one, based on previous events. If most people want to use the Simbin one then we will.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 08, 2012, 07:13:23 AM +0000
I have managed a couple of laps in the Mustang online.

Nothing spectacular and it gets itself into a real tank slapper when I put the brakes on.

Don't know how I'm going to race the thing as I don't feel in control of it yet.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: goldtop on November 08, 2012, 08:54:56 AM +0000
I have managed a couple of laps in the Mustang online.

Nothing spectacular and it gets itself into a real tank slapper when I put the brakes on.

Don't know how I'm going to race the thing as I don't feel in control of it yet.

Have a read of this...

http://gtlw-blog.flyingpig.info/index.php?option=com_idoblog&task=viewpost&id=113&Itemid=109

One technique which helps me is to slightly "lean" into the braking area so the car is already going one way. ie point it slightly to the left while braking for the big rh hairpin at Montreal. You won't get a tank slapper because you know which way it is going to slide, making it easier to anticipate.

I think the Falcons are quicker than the Mustangs  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 08, 2012, 09:00:19 AM +0000
not tried the new stangs yet (other than the lairy boss variant) but found the Falcons very easy to drive. Whether thats easy and 'quick' is another matter!
I like the way the new cars are more predictable in their handling like a race car should be (unless its an early 917 longtail down the Mulsanne!)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 08, 2012, 10:09:08 AM +0000

I think the Falcons are quicker than the Mustangs  :)

Good job I have a couple left then!



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Geoffers on November 08, 2012, 11:25:12 AM +0000
Pils was kept as the general feeling (mine for sure) was that the Simbin server was more likely to go away for ever
than the Pils one, based on previous events. If most people want to use the Simbin one then we will.

Thats why I couldn't join last weeks race! It was a late descision to join (about 8.35!) but couldn't see the server in the lobby. As I hadn't raced P&G here for a while I didn't realise you had changed lobby.

Are there many P&G races/racers on the Pils lobby? If not, then surely using the Simbin lobby makes more sense to attract new drivers, as there seems to be plenty of interest in P&G3 at present.

Anyhow, I won't be able to join tonight so it doesn't really matter to me.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 08, 2012, 12:42:33 PM +0000
This is a democratic society  :angel: so whatever the people want is what we do.
We stayed with Pils probably mostly my idea, because it seemed the most sensible thing to do at the time
And we did create notes on the pages telling people that we were using Pils,
you may be right, and we should use Simbin for PG3. I don;t think we should mess with it today
as people have registered names in the lobby. I take the point about new users who do other leagues
so maybe we can change back to Simbin for next week?

So far two people have complained about using Pils, and no one has complained about using Simbin
if it stays that way then I propose we use Simbin for PG3 after tonights event.
All in favour say "AYE"  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 08, 2012, 12:45:32 PM +0000
Thats why I couldn't join last weeks race! It was a late descision to join (about 8.35!) but couldn't see the server in the lobby. As I hadn't raced P&G here for a while I didn't realise you had changed lobby.

Are there many P&G races/racers on the Pils lobby? If not, then surely using the Simbin lobby makes more sense to attract new drivers, as there seems to be plenty of interest in P&G3 at present.

Two good reasons right there why we should be re-using the simbin lobby. One, its confusing and annoying (lobby renaming files) for regular racers, two, we are losing potential drivers who might dip their toes into SROUK hosted races if they can actually see them in the lobby! There were loads of drivers using the GC hosted servers last night (all evening!)
We need to grab their attention whilst the newly released P&G is popular! and bolster our own numbers.

Just to add to the confusion, the 'modern' events hosted on here by H@L are using the Simbin server whilst the 'classic' events are using the Pils server  :P


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: BillThomas on November 08, 2012, 01:18:47 PM +0000
Third one Mark, I'm totally baffled by the info on changing the LOCAL_IP_LOBBY.TEX FILE.  My two copies, one to use and emergency spare both contain in the file only "gtr2server.gtr-evolution.com" which seems to be a fixed item which I can not add the IP No: quoted.

HELP PLEASE.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 08, 2012, 02:10:24 PM +0000
@Bill

1: you open the LOCAL _IP_LOBBY.TXT  file with notepad
2: You delete the line with gtr2server.gtr-evolution.com
3: You replace it with 91.121.102.7
4: You save the file and say yes to overwrite

If you are unable to edit the file, then try running notepad "as administrator"

There will be a lobby backup file there as well, if you want to, you can
save your existing one as LOCAL _IP_LOBBY.TXT.bck or somesuch.
That should do it.
You might need to register a new name with the lobby if you  have not been there
for this game before.
Just add a name in the register window, and dont bother with any password or anything else
the lobby (pils in this case) should then register you with this new name
Then connect to the server using the name you have just registered.

If you still are unable to edit the file, I will mail you mine if you PM me with you emyther address

This is Tony's event so it's up to him, but I would not be keen to change the lobby for tonight
as several people would have to change stuff in a hurry.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 08, 2012, 02:14:58 PM +0000
Bill, for a quick fix, copy your p&g2 lobby file over into your new p&g3 directory. Assuming you had previously raced on the pils server?
It should contain that ip address Matt mentions.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: BillThomas on November 08, 2012, 03:52:41 PM +0000
Thanks Matt and Mark, between the two of you I'm sorted with the original gtr2 file saved for future reference. Thank you, just need now to practice the combo.  :thumbup1: :rockon:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: goldtop on November 08, 2012, 04:51:47 PM +0000
Thats why I couldn't join last weeks race! It was a late descision to join (about 8.35!) but couldn't see the server in the lobby. As I hadn't raced P&G here for a while I didn't realise you had changed lobby.

Are there many P&G races/racers on the Pils lobby? If not, then surely using the Simbin lobby makes more sense to attract new drivers, as there seems to be plenty of interest in P&G3 at present.

Two good reasons right there why we should be re-using the simbin lobby. One, its confusing and annoying (lobby renaming files) for regular racers, two, we are losing potential drivers who might dip their toes into SROUK hosted races if they can actually see them in the lobby! There were loads of drivers using the GC hosted servers last night (all evening!)
We need to grab their attention whilst the newly released P&G is popular! and bolster our own numbers.

Just to add to the confusion, the 'modern' events hosted on here by H@L are using the Simbin server whilst the 'classic' events are using the Pils server  :P

I was going to post raising these exact points, but as I've not participated (yet ;)) I thought I'd keep shtum. V3 comes packed with the simbin lobby as standard so makes good sense.

Beware though...I switched to the pils lobby last night, but didn't manage to switch it back to simbin after several attempts to re-register  ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: McLowry on November 08, 2012, 05:15:19 PM +0000
 Hi Guys
 I would like to start racing again with you
 I'm stll list with the Soggy Bottom Boys team
 I can get on the regular server no problem, but when i edit and relpace the local lobby txt with the new IP, nothing i have tried works ???
 Can't connect to server


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 08, 2012, 05:21:27 PM +0000
Great to CU back Mike :- ))

I'll try to catch you on SKYPE

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 08, 2012, 05:43:10 PM +0000
Going on what Goldtop just said, (and the confusion!) wouldnt it be wise to just plaster a big notice over this thread saying we use the Simbin lobby for tonights race? I doubt there is anyone who was intending to turn up who hasnt looked in here the last few days, and even if they hadnt they would have a rude shock when trying to get in with p&G2 !


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 08, 2012, 06:40:22 PM +0000
Mike got in allright, and he'll join us for tonights race.

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 08, 2012, 06:47:11 PM +0000
Going on what Goldtop just said, (and the confusion!) wouldnt it be wise to just plaster a big notice over this thread saying we use the Simbin lobby for tonights race? I doubt there is anyone who was intending to turn up who hasnt looked in here the last few days, and even if they hadnt they would have a rude shock when trying to get in with p&G2 !


No it wouldn't.
Love
WT


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 08, 2012, 07:02:59 PM +0000
So far the only car in V3 that seems 'off' IMO is the Lotus Super 7.


Stig
It's not a super 7, it's only a series 1 car ans as a result isn't going to set the world on fire ;)

Super 7's were series 3's and generally had much better engines (tuned Xflows, Lotus Twinks, etc) :)

Handlings about right I recon considering on bicycle tires, my old 7 had more contact on a single wheel  ;D


My internet is broken so won't be joining you lot tonight :(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: BillThomas on November 08, 2012, 07:30:17 PM +0000
Hi Guys
 I would like to start racing again with you
 I'm stll list with the Soggy Bottom Boys team
 I can get on the regular server no problem, but when i edit and relpace the local lobby txt with the new IP, nothing i have tried works ???
 Can't connect to server

See posts at top of this page.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: BillThomas on November 08, 2012, 09:09:46 PM +0000
Sorry folks too knackered to qualify again etc.  Visitors all day yesterday, clearing up etc today also problems with a utility company emails and 29 min phone call.  Then found all changed here, V3 for this race and change of server with all my problems. Lagging tonight and only 1 car visible on grid, then on start Tony appeared bang and out of race.  I just couldn't face a re run, hardly keep my old eyes open.  :yawn::sleep1: :wheelchair:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 08, 2012, 09:17:51 PM +0000
Sorry for the early lagging troubles and the no cars visible on the grid problem. I had not noticed a significant feature of PG3  where you had to set the correct internet speed for the number of players present. Once I had corrected that it was OK (I think).

Sorry to new driver Mike, who in the restart confusion didn't realise that we were going straight to race. It wasn't helped by two drivers being so impatient to start that they took it upon themselves to start the next session voting. Thanks Guys.

For me the "new" Mustang drives just as bad as the old one. So I'm left without feeling the euphoric rush of P3 washing over me. I doubt I'll bother anymore. Quit out tonight as I just wasn't driving well and frankly felt ill disposed towards P&G and continuing.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 08, 2012, 09:27:49 PM +0000
1: As noted, sometimes it's tough to swap lobbies, I have had to reregister twice in the past couple of weeks
and I still cant get my original GTL to work, I am having to run Real_GTL install (on a different PC)

2: I didn;t know about the net speed, I will check it out.

3: Was having one of the best races i've had on anything for ages, the cars don;t feel much different to me
but felt a bit more real, and was having great fun chasing Clive, might have made a pass stick eventually
but spun under power, hit the fence and flipped on my roof, was waiting for auto righting, but didnt happen.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 08, 2012, 09:47:53 PM +0000
Crazy race, after all the ping-pong so to speak, we left Mike with a coffe to go ....... VERY embarasing ... apoligizes to him.

Then I got myself a stop and go ( so it did work after all Tony ) as I was loosing more grip and overdid the chikane cutting.

To finish it all, I did'nt have enough fuel for the last lap  :cursing:


Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 08, 2012, 09:58:11 PM +0000
Sorry to say that I'm a bit with Tony on this one.

Seems I have waited two years for someone to louse up the Mustang!  It must be 50bhp down on before!

John can obviously drive it but it will take me a good while longer to come to terms with it.

They have obviously perked up the Sprint a tad and must have made it less tyre hungry too!

Jury still out and no sign of coming back too soon.

Why does that "mapping thing" not work for me?  Apart from a funny noise it has never done anything else.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 08, 2012, 10:00:20 PM +0000
Results and Replay posted


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 08, 2012, 10:07:24 PM +0000
Matt, they don't look right. I'll have a looksee later


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 08, 2012, 10:09:48 PM +0000
I had to add some cars and the names of drivers
Some of the cars may not be the correct Falcon, but couldn't see any option that made sense

And hmm the results are wrong too. Perhaps I selected the wron "race" file


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 08, 2012, 10:38:39 PM +0000
Everything was a bit weird in this race,  so naturally the results are too :-)

I'd like to say, that I'm very surprised to read, that some of you guys are disappointed with V 3. I think it's the best SIM racegame I've ever tried. I sure hope Tony gets to like it eventually,  we can't do without you mate:-)

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 08, 2012, 10:43:37 PM +0000
I had to add some cars and the names of drivers
Some of the cars may not be the correct Falcon, but couldn't see any option that made sense

And hmm the results are wrong too. Perhaps I selected the wron "race" file


I'll have to consult with Dave, but there's definitely a way to fix this. Consequently there will be a delay before the correct results are posted.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 08, 2012, 10:48:01 PM +0000
Yeah that's the first aborted race result.

Shame about the early problems but your always going to get that with simbins dodgy net code and a huge new mod. Shame for mike missing the restart too, but there was enough chat to say we were skipping qual... I thought  :-\ delaying the event another 10-15 mind causes probs for others of us.
Sorry to hear your disallusioned WT, you really need to have a proper drive with the rest of the new stable, they are great fun and a nice choice of cars, a definite improvement in handling, more progressive. :)

I had a great race, the falcon felt spot on to me. Heavy car, old tech suspension, you could lean on it nicely and loved countersteering out the corners. Had great fun in a race long battle with gold top. First half we were glued together then he eeked out a couple of secs with me chasing him hard for the rest of the race.
Finished on the podium  :) happy with that as first race ever using a falcon, first proper race with manual shifter and hadn't raced at Montreal since Geoff crammond f1 days!!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: goldtop on November 09, 2012, 12:07:02 AM +0000
A shame that our first V3 race was so troublesome and disappointing to see drivers left out. I guess this shows the worth of our usual policy of holding test events prior to running new mods. Thanks anyway for the efforts made by those behind the scenes to get this running tonight.

As for V3...I was smiling from the first car I drove, but then I disliked most of the cars in 2.1 so can appreciate the difference in opinions. The overwhelming feeling around the community seems to be extremely positive, but then so it was for 2.1  :-\

As for the race, it was a real mental and physical workout for me. A scrappy first lap trying to get the better of Stig and Clive and then a long battle with MJ who kept my concentration up until the last few laps. Was getting tired by the end and was glad to see the flag.

Congrats to John for getting the stang together so quickly and bad luck Stig....felt a bit guilty nabbing your 2nd place  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 09, 2012, 09:00:24 AM +0000
im as surprised as Hotkeys to hear some are already unhappy about the new mod. Surely you havent given it enough of a try yet! Those guys spent nearly 3 years developing it, i think they are owed some patience from the racers! I was really impressed with the way the Falcon handled, just how i would expect a big car to.

Im not quite sure what you guys are expecting from a heavy 60's car being driven hard?

I would however open up the field to give more car choice, as a falcon v mustang race isnt exactly show casing P&G3, nor P&G2.1 to be fair  :)
I would rather see good fields of similar class cars, ie Group 2 races etc. on historic tracks like Oulton Park, goodwood or 70's touring cars on european circuits, and US muscle class cars on a good variety of US tracks.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: SpecialKS on November 09, 2012, 10:33:14 AM +0000
Agree that the Mustang NTK is still undriveable as it ever was  :( (well done John and congratulations  ;) )
but the Falcon feels much better now although I'm still far too slow.
Could improve to something around 2:08 during race but have to regard my style of driving as being a
borderline case concerning cutting  ::)

Too tired to complete my lonely race in last place after my only competitor for it (Bill) did not enter the race  :(
Crashed at about half of the race for good.

Let me say "Thank you very much" to Tony and UKGTL/UKGTR staff for making P&G V3 available so short-term for
online racing  :) - highly appreciated. Really looking forward to next week's Antipodean race with the Alfa 200 GTAm  8)

For me too P&G V3 looks like the best Sim I've ever tried so far - really curious to make a private quick convert of a
LM55 car from GTL to GTR2/P&G V3  ;D

In order to attract more new drivers I would like to propose to change to the SimBin lobby too, as already mentioned
here.

Thanks again guys.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 09, 2012, 11:00:44 AM +0000
I would like to run future PGv3 events as simbin lobby, just need to make sure that all events
will use the same lobby. We are working on it.

@MJ please suggest some track/car combos if you want to have a real impact on what we do here
same goes for anyone. Tony and I have to do what we think works, mostly it goes down well
but any help is always welcome. Same goes for anyone with an opinion, shout up guys  :helpsmilie:
if people make decent workable suggestions, they will likely happen in one series or another.
We could even try Tony's old "Readers Wives" events. where you get to blame someone else
for the melee  ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: BillThomas on November 09, 2012, 11:21:47 AM +0000
I like V3 and after Manteous’s advice I find that I can now control the Yank Tanks – having passed driving test 1Jan 58, when disc brakes were available on road cars Cadence or Modulated braking were order of the day as drivers discovered “stoppers” as opposed to drum brakes.  Having driven many of the road versions of these cars (Mini Cooper, Cortina GT, BMW 3.0CSL, 2002 Tii and the original BMW535i they were all easy to drive if you accelerated and braked in straight line.

Comments:-

1.   Now able to drive most of V3 cars with default setup, with just changes of steering wheel angle and brake bias.

2.   There are a number of anomalies, expected after such a mammoth task.  At Donny the Falcon Spring is gutless and revs bog down in 4th.  The Falcon Weslake was gutless and sounded it – would only reach 128 mph into pits at Montreal offline race.  Online it had that crisp note and was doing 139 mph at the second yellow bridge.

3.   Agree with Kurt Mustang NTK is a pig to drive.

4.   All the CSL variants are a joy to drive and the exhaust is spine chilling; same goes for the Capri RS.  In GTL and PnG V2.1 I could never feel happy with the CSL; it always felt it was trying to get away from me.

My driving is limited to a couple of half days at Donny Nat and last nights practice and race; my overall impression is that it’s a vast improvement over all previous Sims I’ve driven.  But then, what do I know about it, my only track experience was a Formula Ford introductory session at Silverstone 25 years ago.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: BillThomas on November 09, 2012, 11:26:43 AM +0000
I would like to run future PGv3 events as simbin lobby, just need to make sure that all events
will use the same lobby. We are working on it.

@MJ please suggest some track/car combos if you want to have a real impact on what we do here
same goes for anyone. Tony and I have to do what we think works, mostly it goes down well
but any help is always welcome. Same goes for anyone with an opinion, shout up guys  :helpsmilie:
if people make decent workable suggestions, they will likely happen in one series or another.
We could even try Tony's old "Readers Wives" events. where you get to blame someone else
for the melee  ::)

British Touring Car Championships similar to run in previous formats - nice Yank Tank/European Cars battles. 


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 09, 2012, 11:51:17 AM +0000
Interesting note about on line off line differences, I had never noticed that  :o

Thanks for the support Bill, I was hoping to do a British series, similar to Tony's current one.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 09, 2012, 12:56:38 PM +0000
Interesting note about on line off line differences, I had never noticed that  :o
Thanks for the support Bill, I was hoping to do a British series, similar to Tony's current one.

You sure that wasnt just 'Final gear ratios' Bill? or even corner exit speed differences? I would be pretty amazed if such a glaring difference hadnt been picked up by the mod team!
I used the falcon on and offline at Montrea and didnt detect that sort of speed drop.  :-\

Re Series for racing, not looked yet, but arent there proper championships/series setup in the P&G3 mod? ie geared to using the relevant matching car groups?
Other than that, its just 'real world' stuff that i would like to see, ie the 60's British touring car series, the 70's International TC series, Guards Trophy, Goodwood Revival, Oldtimer at Nurburg GP, Sebring US GT... type events
They fire the imagination and we get to emulate the old heroes, both car and driver!

Personally i want us to run a 70's racing series using all the glorious new cars...BMW, Escort, Capri, Porsche etc as we havent used them in anger yet. We can all grow sideburns and wear flares  ;D

I totally respect all the work you guys do behind the scenes, I just didnt see the point of a year long season using only two car types. The number of racers dropping off has kinda backed that up. At least in the BTC there were a few car choices but even then, why no minis etc? When i watch or read about old BTC events, its great to hear about minis v mustangs v cortinas v etc etc. Some tracks will favour one car over another but the idea is it balances out over a season using different circuits.
Or even if you do decide to run regular seasons, break them up with special events using good car lists to give people things to look forward too and increase participation perhaps?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 09, 2012, 01:18:38 PM +0000
If I might drop in an observation.

P&G V3 seems to now have almost the same cars that we in GTL are currently using for the extremely popular GTC '76 series. If your not familiar with this innovative league allow me enlighten you.

16 world class circuits from 1976 (approx).

4 car makes (Porsche 911's, Boss 302's, Escort's and Beemers).

Restrictions are that you can only drive each car for a maximum of four races.

There is real strategy involved in choosing which cars you will run and where.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 09, 2012, 01:52:41 PM +0000
If I might drop in an observation.

P&G V3 seems to now have almost the same cars that we in GTL are currently using for the extremely popular GTC '76 series. If your not familiar with this innovative league allow me enlighten you.

16 world class circuits from 1976 (approx).

4 car makes (Porsche 911's, Boss 302's, Escort's and Beemers).

Restrictions are that you can only drive each car for a maximum of four races.

There is real strategy involved in choosing which cars you will run and where.

That sounds a great series (though dont get this fad with restricting peoples car choices?) but using possibly the most arcade-like pc sim out of the lot available! I deleted GTL as it seemed like dodgem cars with cruddy physics. Like most sims, it was great when it first came out and nothing similar to compare with, but once i got hold of P&G i quickly saw GTL for what it was. But each to his own naturally. :-* I do get the feeling GTL is more popular here because you can just jump in any car and drive it how you like  :-\ whereas some folks like myself want a car that handles, sounds and feels like the real car would have done (albeit in sim land).
 
Now if we can just run that same series in P&G3 i am sure there would be many happy bunnies  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: SpecialKS on November 09, 2012, 01:55:44 PM +0000
Just an idea:

running a 76 series next season in P&G V3 and maybe a GTL- series with some addon cars from peroiod 65 and/or 76 ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 09, 2012, 02:25:34 PM +0000
how about this, lifted straight from their real world website:-

Tophat Masters Racing Series  :euro:

A series of Invitation Races for Group 2 Touring Cars and Group 4 GT cars of the 1970s European Touring Car Championship.

Bringing back the slicks, wings and body kits of the iconic touring car battles of the 70s, BMW Batmobiles vs Cologne Capris, Touring 70s plans to relive some of the great battles of the European Touring Car Championship in its heyday period. Being backed up by Group 1 Touring cars in this inaugural year, Touring 70s will be a regular on the Top Hat Race Day calendar as well as being invited to join Masters' overseas events on occasions.

For this season all UK races are 45 minute mini-enduros for 1 or 2 driver teams with a compulsory pit stop at Snetterton, Donington, Brands Hatch, Castle Combe and Mallory plus a POWERnights event with the Stars Of The 70s series and a trip to Anderstorp.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 09, 2012, 02:55:15 PM +0000
A suggestion for a fun series that's been put to me was for a spec race series using the 'Stock' Pantera.
It's a very accessible car and great to drive for all. If the idea was popular then allowing custom paint jobs would be nice like I note you do/did in some of the GTR2 series  :)

I'm happy to race in anything, and agree that for the more 'normal' championships a big selection of cars would be welcome - I could go back to my old method of picking cars based on exhaust note instead wether car A is faster than car B  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Legzy on November 09, 2012, 03:09:56 PM +0000
I've now downloaded it, so just want to throw in a comment of:
Would we not be best off having a bunch of races at our most familiar tracks (so we can concentrate on the cars), each race having a different small selection of cars. Giving all the cars a chance before starting some long series with 50% of these beautiful new cars never seeing the lite of day or the whiff of burning rubber?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 09, 2012, 03:38:05 PM +0000
All good stuff.
Thanks for the inputs guys. A lot of what has been said is what I had intended for the next
round of series, so it's good that others think the same.

One little point to note. For the Aussie series I have spent many (and I mean many) hours
testing cars to try to get a different choice for each event, though I have run a few events with
for example the E-Type and 275 ferri. It's not possible for me to do that for all events coming
up, more likely there will be 3 series with different cars and a different theme, and you guys
can decide what car you run. I don't have the time to run involved spreadsheets, or cutting
the series up into sections with car limits. Possibly I can cut a series up into sections
with different cars for each section with a free choice. Dunno I'll have to give it some
thought. My own feeling is that we should be running reasonably true to history events
sometimes that is too restrictive, so some freeform has to be included
It may be that some cars never ran together, but for the sake of good racing they may
do here at times.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 09, 2012, 04:00:36 PM +0000
Sounds good Matt  :) 

Only restrictions i 'might' throw in would be a) try and prevent cars from widely different vintage racing in same event (unless its a special event/free form) - ie if 4 of the cars available are say 1971 and someone picks a 1974 car and then wonders why they are racing up front on their own!
b) maybe disallow any car that is glaringly faster than the rest of the car selection from the same group/class/year. (one of the 3.5L 24v BMW's springs to mind).

But having said that, as its a first season with P&G3 why not just allow all car availability. We then get to see some glorious machinery on track  8) Only restriction to that would be making sure the driver can handle the power of the car they've chosen!

Happy Days, where are my Rayban Aviators?   ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: goldtop on November 09, 2012, 04:23:47 PM +0000
The problem with running races of one class with no car restriction is that many drivers will gravitate towards using the fastest cars in that class.....just take a look at all the IMSA CSLs and 3.0 RSRs on the GC server on any given night  ::) Car choices need to be reasonably balanced, which as Matt says takes lots of test time and even then can't guarrantee being 100% accurate (ask me how I know).

My favourite method for evening things out is one that is currently being used in a Historx league I race in. It's also very similar to previous series here:

Pick a group of say 10 cars and run a series of 6 races (or similar ratios). The only rule being that the driver must choose a different car for each race.  This should allow a decent mix on the grid and shouldn't be too restrictive on driver preferences. Simples  :)

Spec races and a too restricted car choice doesn't do the mod justice imho.
 


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 09, 2012, 06:02:53 PM +0000
Bring back Legzy Dollars!   :jumpjoy:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Hotkeys on November 09, 2012, 06:39:15 PM +0000
Whatever Matt or Tony presents, I will join. A big turn out is the most important issue for me. If 15 - 20 people turn up, it will always be fun :-))

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: BillThomas on November 09, 2012, 07:37:56 PM +0000
Interesting note about on line off line differences, I had never noticed that  :o
Thanks for the support Bill, I was hoping to do a British series, similar to Tony's current one.

You sure that wasnt just 'Final gear ratios' Bill? or even corner exit speed differences? I would be pretty amazed if such a glaring difference hadnt been picked up by the mod team!
I used the falcon on and offline at Montrea and didnt detect that sort of speed drop.  :-\



I think you must be right Mark, just been driving Offline with my Online qualifying setup and it is rev limited at 139mph same as Online.  It was all so much of a rush trying to sort out where the start lights were and everything last night it must have slipped my memory that I dropped the rear axle gear ratio Online. :oops:   Sorry for raising a red herring. :hammer:  :wheelchair:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 09, 2012, 10:05:33 PM +0000
No problem Bill  :)

Results are still wrong, I want my hard earned pody place in neon lights  ;) that race seemed to go on forever!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Legzy on November 10, 2012, 09:59:46 AM +0000
@Clive lol :D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 10, 2012, 10:36:17 AM +0000
@Clive lol :D

Good to see you back from the dead Chris.   ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 10, 2012, 01:36:27 PM +0000
Revised thread to show corrected race results.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 10, 2012, 01:38:43 PM +0000
Revised results now posted and merged into this thread. ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: phspok on November 10, 2012, 02:32:31 PM +0000
Chortle

We can run with Legzy dollars if you want to manage it Clive  ;D

I am likely to be working away more next year, and I barely find time to do what I do now
So may need someone else stepping up to the plate. Applications by post. err no
just shout up if you want a job.  :scared:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 10, 2012, 11:47:34 PM +0000
Revised results now posted and merged into this thread. ;)

Thanks Dave  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Legzy on November 11, 2012, 09:26:47 AM +0000
@Clive lol :D

Good to see you back from the dead Chris.   ::)
Cheers, did a year of just iRacing & have just been having a break for about 3 months... PnG3 seems like a good excuse to plug the wheel back in 8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: goldtop on November 11, 2012, 09:37:09 AM +0000
@Clive lol :D

Good to see you back from the dead Chris.   ::)
Cheers, did a year of just iRacing & have just been having a break for about 3 months... PnG3 seems like a good excuse to plug the wheel back in 8)

Great news Legzy  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Mark J on November 11, 2012, 09:47:37 AM +0000
@Clive lol :D

Good to see you back from the dead Chris.   ::)
Cheers, did a year of just iRacing & have just been having a break for about 3 months... PnG3 seems like a good excuse to plug the wheel back in 8)

Great news, my old track sparring partner!  :fencing: be good to see you racing again Chris. Just need that misery spanner to join us now  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 11, 2012, 09:35:40 PM +0000
@Clive lol :D

Good to see you back from the dead Chris.   ::)
Cheers, did a year of just iRacing & have just been having a break for about 3 months... PnG3 seems like a good excuse to plug the wheel back in 8)

Hope you have fun Chris.