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Practice: 19:20 (UK London) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (34 laps)
Cars allowed: Drivers occupying Rank 1 to 8 - Ford Mustang NTK or Ford Falcon Sprint
                     Drivers occupying Rank 9 to 16 - The cars above plus Ford Mustang BSCC or Ford Falcon Mann
                     Drivers occupying Rank 17 to 24 - Any of the above plus Ford Mustang ATCC or Ford Falcon Weslake Heads
                     New Drivers - Any of the above

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Track: Trois-Rivieres Download this (http://www.gamefront.com/files/22727059/Trois_Rivieres_2008_v1_0.7z)

Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: None required

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Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=349&theme=34)

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The DL link doesn't seem to work Tony. Is this the right track ?

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=15349

Stig

Dont think ive ever raced here. Doh, another new one to learn for tank racing  ::)

Link fixed

Arghhh........ a great finale to finish a long season, for once it's on a city-track, for once I have something important to race for ........ and buggar, buggar ... I now realize I won't be able to join the race.
 :cursing: :death: :censored: :wacko: :helpsmilie: :2guns: :hang: :no: :ninja: tumbleweed

I hope the rest of you will have a great race.

Stig

 

Going to have to miss this one - got a work Christmas meal to go to :( Have fun.

Oh dear! SBRC are depeated. 

And driving the Falcon around here is like a man milking a mouse!

Hmm, I have been told about these strange customs in Hecky Bunk  ::)

Got some laps in tonight but wasn't inspired by the track that much. 1:18.0 and easily get into 17's with a few more laps. Narrow for the tanks  :-\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV4E95T2Vsk

The track builder seems to have done a fantastic job.  Just glad he didn't model all the trucks and ambulances!

Anyone likely to be on the server this evening?

Yep, I can't make it tomorrow, but I'd like to see, if I could be competetive. Maybe a small test race guys ?


Stig

Well, I'd like to go online, but I get *Booted as a possible cheat*.

Anybody else having the same problem ?

My best offline was 1.16.100

Stig

Sorry Stig,

I got fed up going araound and around on my tod so wandered off.  My best is about the same as yours.
Just sneaked into the 15s.

1:18s with race fuel, hit a wall and you are dead with these delicate cars, I bashed a wall twice sideways
not very hard, and once it bent the steering, and then it killed the engine 0% health
In a real car it would have dented the bodywork at worst.

The damage model on these PG3 cars is quite farcical. Considering the time it took for things to be
perfected, and all the man months of testing, it is disappointing.
I would consider turning damage off except that might cause other trouble.  :o

Keep off the walls chaps or it will be an early bath (without the "up and under")

What a waste of a night that was. I somehow managed to pull my hphones out of the socket as we went through T1 and the distraction was enough to outbreak myself at T3. Engine dead, game over, Elvis hardly got on stage let alone left the building  ::)

sorry for sneaking out after some 14 laps but for some reason  I had managed to fill up  for only 14 laps ! A senior moment ?

Cheers, Seniordan

You were certainly making me sweat in the early laps.

Shame you were not in the Westlake!

Grats to Geoffers on a fine drive.

Yes the soft tyres did last but I was on canvas at the end.

Sorry guys but I thought that track was totally dire. I unenthusiastically went along with it but my concentration soon waned (aided by some early Xmas beers) and hitting the barriers was for once a welcome tonic  ::)
9 entries for a popular new mod told its own story. We need a new series and exciting cars to strike while the anvil is hot.

Congrats to the series champion and podium guys, and thanks to the organisers (though next time keep the series shorter  ;) ) , well done all that attended all season  :)

Replay and results now posted.

Happy Christmas one and all  :yes:

Congratulations to our Championship winner

1st - John W  :clap: :clap: :clap:

2nd - Clive Loynes  :clap: :clap:

3rd -  :whistling:

Thanks to everyone who took part over the year.

That was my final P&G event as an administrator. I gave notice to Matt earlier this year.

It been wonderful fun and now with P&G3 and Matt at the helm the future looks very bright indeed.

I will enjoy attending most of the forthcoming events next year just as a driver.

Congrats to the podium, well done lads. :clap:


I damned shame I didn't get the chance to fight Tony and Matt for the third place.
A clean sweep for SBRC was within reach ;D


Thanks for your efforts in these P&G race series Tony, much appreciated by us all  :thumbup1:.

Stig

Actually quite liked the track, (I know, I would do cause I won), I'm quite a fan of short tracks, usually make for some frantic action.

Congrats to Clive, Alex & Tony for making it to the end.  :clap:

Congrats to John, Clive & Tony on the championship podium.   :clap:

Also thanks to Matt & Tony for organising this year's races.

I don't know what Matt has planned for next year, but I tend to agree with Mark that the series need to be shorter & also have more varied car selections. When I started racing here in GTL we used to have an enduro race every 3rd week, would be great to resurrect that in P&G. ;)

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_trois-rivieres_2008_2012_12_20_20_41/)

Finished 3rd by keeping it on the black stuff  ;D  ... not that I was exceptionally fast  :-\

Congrats to Geoffers for the win and John for the overall championship. I guess the virtual cupboard is running out of space.

Many thanks Tony for putting the effort and time in organising this series. Not always the most rewarding job I guess, but highly appreciated (by me at least).

If I can make one sugestion to the new admin, please do not be overly obsessed with equal car selections.. the aliens always know which one to pick and others have different reasons to pick another car (engine sound, nice paint job, curiosity, shiny wheels, etc, etc.)


That is a great idea!

Tony does a brilliant job with the series he creates and runs mostly with very little help.
He has already produced several GTL series for next year. Dunno where he finds the time  ???

I struggle a bit to give this the time it deserves and I will be working away even more next year
so every helpful suggestion is worth it's weight in gold pressed latinum

I will do what I can of course, but the more input members make the better it will be
It's no good carping about stuff you don't like if you don't make some creative sugestions
as well  :yes:

I like the occasional enduro - good idea.
I like the shorter series, except that is even more overhead for the admin (me) I am thinking of maybe 10 or 12
events per series?

I like the varying car choice, but that is the most time consuming thing to do
I like Alex' suggestion about not worrying too much about identical pace of cars. (that is a big help)

I am thinking 3 series to start with, similar meat to what has gone before - something for UK tracks, probably
with a cloth cap historic flavour. Something for big tanks, probably American north and south.
and a 3rd Enduro series for whatever works, probably sports cars but with changing cars

I think that if we want to attract new competitors we need to drop the attempt to seek out closely matched sets of cars.  That was fine for the mature v2 races but people just want to have a blast in v3!

I would forget hunting down new and obscure tracks also.  GamersCrib have filled servers with the standard tracks and wide car selections.  To begin with, who the hell cares if people gravitate towards BMWs, 911s and Capris?  A series for Yank Tanks could be good also and I can always take a week off when you want to race the Mini!

I would rather race here because of the quality of drivers and the sure and certain knowledge that I could bang in an incident report if I felt unjustly punted off.

3 alternate series sounds good as it caters something for everyone. Agree with Clive on not bothering with new and obscure tracks, people haven't got the time to learn yet another track each week plus there are so many good well known and popular tracks to use for any series.

One of the 3 series should definitely use the popular 70's cars and on tracks that they can be appreciated on. (Using the tracks from those in the 70's gt racing link would be great enough)
Not sure we need a dedicated yank tank series, why not just have them available in a general mix of 60's or 70's gt cars? Again that means there's something for everyone at every race.
Agree with others, don't waste too much of your own short time trying to find equal cars, just pick historic groups or batches of them, ie slow gt65, fast gt65 etc. also keep them year restricted to avoid big discrepancies in performance, braking etc.  ie only 1971 or older.

Using cool banners to promote the races works well too, ala Tony's series and we can then post up on no grip etc with them. Happy to source the odd photo and overlay the race series name/track name on it, when I can.

I generally start thinking about the following seasons series in June/July. The ideas for series are based on several factors but usually are sparked by new cars available that I like to try, historical series that we can replicate, drivers asking for a particular car/venue, a country that has a good selection of circuits or a what if in 19?? these cars used the same circuits as that years F1 series. Many ideas never reach fruition but I try to create at least four series for variety. I also try to blend a good mix of favourite circuits with new ones. I often rely heavily on drivers assistance ( :alien:'s) when I need to check on comparative times etc and without their help I'd be struggling. I am unable to properly research car times and frankly a large chunk of time can be consumed just trying to get two or three cars that have relative performance times to each other. That is why I tend to offer some series with a fixed choice of cars and let the drivers sought out which is the best, 2nd best etc. I also favour adding a strategic element where the car choice might be restricted by either handicapping or no. off drives in each. This does, I'll admit, make series very easy for me to setup, but does allow me time to research tracks etc. However I acknowledge that some here find this approach detrimental to their enjoyment which is not what I set out to do. But drivers need to consider that free time comes at a premium and admins do have other commitments to balance. Matt is on the right track as he has some themes for series already in place. Sometimes that is the toughest part.
Perhaps he could ask every driver to pm him with two tracks that they would love to race in the new 70's cars and he could assign either all the GR.2 or GR.4 cars to be available at every race. This would be quick to setup and would buy him some "development" time  ;)
Just my two-penneth.

Comments noted and appreciated.
Dropping the closely matched cars is a big time saver, there needs to be a sensible mix
for a series, but it's a big time saver if the drivers pick a car they like rather than
me having to spend hours testing cars, and still not get a good match for aliens.

I do like to put in the occasional "new" track to mix it up a bit.
I remember in Descent everyone knew and did Minerva and was a good "one we all know"
but it was good to throw in maps that people had recently created.

Hope the GC guys don't mind but they have saved you some donkey work with their online race testing with full servers for several weeks. I'm intending to race GC on Tuesdays and here Thursdays.  :)

Here is their determined car groupings:-
http://www.gamers-crib.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12602

 8)

Group C is the troublesome one for me.

All those Renault and Alfa drivers ramming the Vettes etc. at mid corner.  Not good.   :no:

Thanks MJ

I have run in Mogget's events before,. and the car groups are Wayyyyyyyyy toooooo wide
for what we traditionally do here. Is an easy life for me if I just use those similar groups for
the series, but I would like to get something more refined if I can.
The Beemers and the Porkas for example are very different in PG3 across the models
If I just say "BMW any" and "911 any" as he does everyone would take the RSR3.0
and the BMW24v latest model. Likewise the Alfas, Capris, and Escorts. GT40s are very different
and most people would take the Gulf given a free choice.
If that's what people want, I can do that very easily.

I suppose I could start the seasons with a wide spread and thin it out to the more comparable ones
as the season progresses. It is certainly a good guide to base things on, thanks for that.

What about, as Tony suggested, if you say that the winning car at each round is removed from the list?  At least for those in the top half of the table?

And new starters are regarded as aliens until proven otherwise!   ;D

And we are all in TR4s for the last round.

The winning car or the most popular choice

Similar to Geoffers suggestions on No grip
I like this guys, this is getting easier by the hour  :thumbup2:

I am going to do a short Lotus 7 series as well, the tracks will be as suitable as
I can find. Not a mainstay series perhaps, but It appeals to my "historic" leanings

A "series for the people by the people" heard something like that somewhere before   :angel:

Or "you can't please all the people all of the time" a long proven adage on here  ;D

You may also of heard "you can please some of the people some of the time"

Well I'd use his wide groups as a base point but whittle them down into what you think are more competitive groupings. Also, as mentioned before, disallow any clear advantage cars (or their variant)...ie gulf gt40 etc. apart from one off special races, enduros etc.
Not sure I like the idea of removing a winning car from the next race unless its clearly way superior to others in its group. He has actually put some beemers & porkas etc in different groups based on the test race results.

It always seems to be tough getting good PnG seasons together, but here's my thoughts...

Car choice needs to be reasonably close per event imho otherwise some drivers will naturally gravitate towards fastest car available and lead to boring grids.

The GC list seems to be a decent starting point for testing and it would be nice if there was at least some loose historical context to the selections. A different series for 60's, 70's and a spec series (I gather the Lotus7 has been earmarked for this) would be great.

Please keep the track selection simple as these tend to produce better racing. In particular try to avoid any assault course like tracks as for me they become a bit playstation.

Shout up for any specific testing required....I'm sure there are lots here that would help out.

I am trying to create some series at the moment. I am having trouble with LM2 or perhaps me being dumb.
When I get through that obstacle I will start putting up races.

I have tried to allow for an average of peoples suggestions, Huge thanks for those who made an input  8)
there are a quite a few conflicting opinions though so if you don't get exactly what you want please don't flame me.

Some people like a mix of cars that are fast on the straight with ones that are faster round corners than straights
if I do that, Colin complains every time about roller skates getting rammed or the other way round. :surrender:
MJ has even complained about the colour of the grass  ::)

Example is Beranovac, which I really enjoyed, though would probably be better for smaller cars than we used.
I got more comments from people (some PMs) about how much they liked it than people who didn't.
So what do I do? Unless a track or track/car combo was seriously dire, and unusable, I would go with the majority
Beranovac will probably get used for something sometime in 2013. Actually I PM'd the creator asking for permission
and he hasn't replied yet, so it may get shelved, we have plenty of other good tracks to use.
ANyway, just an example, see how we go, things can always be fine tuned over the series.
Not sure about handicap series, too much admin for me. I will likely be dropping cars that turn out to be too fast at
most tracks for the group they are in. Otherwise I think we are going to have some great races  8)
As always if you want something to happen, PM me, particularly good track/car combos you believe would work well.
I can probably fit any combos into one of the up coming series.

Also, it is really really really unbelievably helpful if people PM me some times for as many cars as possible at
a medium speed track like Portimao or Brands Hatch perhaps. Ideally I could make good use of times for all cars at the same track
If anyone has a few hours spare.... pick a track and run as many cars as you can in the same group. Use Gamers Crib groupings if
you need some clues, but any times will help make the series better sooner. I have already had a couple of PMs from people
and I have used those to good effect immediately. Thanks in Advance  :thumbup1:

Colin here,

The thing about the mix of cars is that I have yet to find a group of sim racers who are actually good enough at it to make it work!

Apologies are all well and good but your race is still in the bin.  We do not have enough field of view to know when someone in an agile car is "pressuring" you mid corner.  You can't "lean" on someone who can't see you, until it's too late. 

I promise not to say it again.

Well, I'll try.

LOL  ;D (Was an old joke, but it's Holiday time so I am being flippant, sorry)

I don't disagree, I just think that cars with different characteristics and similar times
can make for good racing - up to a point. It ties our hands a lot if we have to filter cars out
because they have better brakes than another one, as well as all the other aspects we
have to allow for. It is "one" of the things Tony and I try to take into account.

Well I like a mix of car types.

I always tend to go for more agile cars when available and have enjoyed great battles with both Clive and Matt (among others) in their more tank like machines. I think we are all old enough and wise enough to avoid mid corner mishaps particularly as we are now so familiar with each others driving styles. I wasn't aware that there was a great problem with this, but as Clive says the mods are there for those who don't abide.