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After starting at the Green Hell we continue with another Papyrus track, this time Mosport in Canada.

Race list	iGOR
Server	UKGPL_T7_2
IP address	62.149.202.168
Date	13-11-2011
Race time	Race starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying time	Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
Track	Mosport, high-res update available here (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2168&st=0)
Mod	67
Damage model	INT
Race length	50 minutes (36 laps)

Reserve drivers please note; you must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes, to allow full timers to join.

The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be from the start line to the exit of Moss corner. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.

The chassis token system is explained on the Privateers (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=336&theme=6) standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.

Mosport first held the Canadian Grand Prix in 1961 and did so almost every season until Montreal took over in 1978. 1967 was the first time it counted towards the World Championship; brief footage is available here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZHqRFAbpzA

Must have had a target painted on the Brabham tonight considering the amount of times I was rear ended. Had a quick look at the replay & the only one I have to put my hand up to was when I drifted across Fran. I don't think he was affected by the contact.

As always I tried to give the lapping cars plenty of room. Ross had a bit of a spin across by bows going into Moss - but I really didn't expect an overtaking move there.
Hopefully things will be a little quieter next time out.

Great race for me.  My strategy was to drive steadily and keep out of trouble.  Starting 8th on the grid with 5 of the drivers ahead of me under my PB (which I can't get anywhere near), I didn't have much choice.  The plan unravelled on lap 2 when I came across a couple of cars spinning up the hill on the long straight.  I had to take to the grass to avoid the carnage but I couldn't keep control and I ended up in the hedge.  Thankfully I could continue but I'd lost 3 or 4 places.

From then on I settled into a rhythm and gradually pulled a lot of places back thanks to several people going off.  I found myself in second place and starting to lap back markers.  I came across Billy on lap 18.  I got a good drive out of Moss and closed on Billy much quicker than I expected, I backed off but I nudged his gearbox and pushed him off the track.  Sorry Bill.  Thankfully he could continue but I'd lost my second place to Martin.  A few laps later Martin went a bit wide on the exit of turn 1 and spun out.  I inherited second place again but there was no way I was going to catch Dave Ranier.  I got the gap down to a respectable distance but Dave didn't make any mistakes and I couldn't close the gap.

Grats to Dave for the win and Martin on his fastest lap.  I didn't expect a podium given the times of the drivers on front of me on the grid.  I'm trying to heed my own advice, drive steadily and DON'T crash!

Replay is available for download by clicking here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season22/Grads_Privs/S22_Grads_Privs_R02_2011_11_13_Mosport.rar)

Thanks Paul....:)

I'm with you Phil, my PB is 1:23.198 round Mosport, but couldn't get within a bulls roar of it in Qually. Mind you, one flying lap then a crash next lap is no recipe for laying down good times. Not my favorite track and it showed today as I didn't relax and find any groove worth a penny. Managed to hold off Phil's Fezza into turn 1 off the start, then pull a small gap over the next few laps, whilst trying to keep the cars in front handy.....and stay on the island.......a tall order indeed. Had a couple of minor little incidents that did nothing but lose me a little block of time each, but then the leading pack were having dramas of their own as well. Ross chased me down after having a minor off and caught me out of T1 heading toward T2. I knew he was quicker than me, so I stayed left on the exit and let him by, only to see him run off and spin heading down the hill in T2. Actually managed to hold down 2nd for a few laps until I ran off at T2 and gave it all away. The biggest problem came heading toward the dip about 10 or 12 laps in, with yellows waving and Fabio pushing from behind....I slowed as much as I dared and crested the hill to see a whale stranding happening before my out-on-stalks eyes.    :o   Nigel on his nut on my line, Mick Turner just off the track to the right, and other cars all over the shop. With a perfect in off cannon, I glanced off Nigel, solidly kissed Mick Turner's stricken Fez, and went in the pocket behind the armco fence. Walter Lindrum would have been proud!!   :laugh:   The impact bounced Mick back onto the track and off he went.....leaving me to reset and take a stop & go which ruined any chance of a finish better than 5th. Lost the groove altogether at this point and fumbled along to the finish....just holding Dave off from lapping me in the end. A bit disappointed, but I finished in good points and have climbed to 4th in the title. It's not all bad then.... ;)
congrats to Dave, Phil and.......Martin! for holding down the podium positions. Particularly Dave who was unflappable here it seems....not a foot wrong all race. Well done the lapped drivers as well, all behaved impeccably.
Must do better in Sweden.
Geoff.

I was hopeful of a decent result here after getting on the front row and picking up the lead when Sky made a mistake early on. Sadly on lap three I had a strange moment braking for Moss, I've not checked the replay but I suspect the car might have bottomed out. Very annoying as I've tested on full tanks and never had any problems like that.

From then on I was playing catch up and still confident of getting second place behind Dave Rainier, however I seemed to get tangled up in incidents with other drivers, largely due to my impatience I have to admit. Geoff tried to let me by as we crested the rise into T2A but I got a wheel on the grass leaving room for him, and span off. Later on I gave Billy a fright when I thought he was letting me through at Moss, only to find the gap was less wide than my Brabham!!

About halfway through I was making progress again when I got the dreaded disco, which left me extremely fed up with the whole event!! Grrrr.

Anyway well done to the podium boys, looks like Phil and Dave are the men to beat at this early stage. Also kudos to Sky for his second pole in the last four Privateers races. See you all in Sweden in a fortnight.

It was time for a spot of Mosportizing, for which the weapon of choice came in red.  I'd found a nice durable setup, which meant, as the race ran it's coarse, I hoped to do so also.  But a mediocre practice, left a number of highly mobile stumbling blocks, strewn across my path to victory.  :(

After a good start, I slotted me into 3rd or 4th spot, and commenced to dog team mate Francesco's tail.  An unexpected change of itinerary followed on the 2nd lap.  I was tucked into Fran's slipstream, out onto the back straight.  He missed a gear, I tagged his rear, and we commenced a merry dance - with only team mate Phil, taking up the offer to join in? >:(  

After a brief whirl, it was back to racing, with all 3 apparently unscathed.  However, the prospect of our total race domination, was now starting to weaken.  

There followed some of my most entertaining racing, thusfar in 67, as both Phil and I managed to work our way up, through a very competitive field.  We must've battled with almost everyone, at some stage. Until by mid race, it had come down to a 2 car Ferrari fest for 2nd.  I managed to nip briefly past Phil, but then managed to loose track of the track, without the use of his experimental late 60's Satnav.  Team leaders get preferential treatment, you know!  So I settled for P3.

Some great racing throughout, with impressive driving shown by all our newcomers, from where I sat.  A dominating win for David, and a brilliant display by Antipasti.  But perhaps not a good place to make a song and dance about it.  ;D

That's also my racing strategy !
especially on difficult track like Mosport.

I was 3rd on the grid ...but only 5th after 100 meters  :D  because 2 drivers from the 3rd or the 4th gridlines looks very excited !
So I was on a very nice position to see the 4 racers in front of me ...spun or collide, one after one, after less than 4 or 5 laps.
Sorry to be so sarcastic, but we really need to be extremely patient and prudent on such a track during 36 laps !

Then I tried to manage my advantage of 10 sec, 15 sec, 25sec maximum  on the second.
 I have to thank all the backlappers (correct word ?) who did the maximum to let me overtake them ...even if sometimes it was not easy on this narrow track.
 
 

Honed to its usual perfection , my BRM allowed me to fullfill my dream of being lapped at least twice by the entire field (well OK bar one)    :-\

Lessons learned from this outing , either A, the driver or B, his mechanics are crap (draw your own conclusions ) or could it have been one black pudding to many for tea  ::) whatever the cause it was a bad day

for the soggy bums,  though we are getting more consistant  :-[

BRM is the slowest 1967 car, moreover it is heavy and not easy to drive in difficult track like Mosport.
Brabham and Cooper are better here, for a little more tokens ;)
so my answer is B  :laugh:

even more so when yours truly is driving  ;D

Not the entire field Bernie; only the entire field who were still on the grey bit.

Keep up the good work.  Glad to see that you and Mike are upholding the honour.

PS  What the hell were you doing in a BRM at Mosport?  Do-it-yourself dentisty would be better!

Clive is right!  I thought your last name, Tupp, referred  to the vast amount of ground you cover.  But here it's your choice of car. :hammer:

Pssssst a Honda goes well at Mosport, and I know a nice lady who will let you borrow one if you just make a small change to your lifestyle  :shifty: :winkiss:

A sad lack of parental guidance , though admit it seemed like a good idea at the time  :-\

I doubt even "she" could make that much difference to my lifestyle atm fundishi or not  :D

My PB in the Fez is 1:23.10 (set on 9/11/2003) and my outright PB is 1:22.42 (set in a Lotus on 26/07/2004) but I haven't been able to get near those times in years :( .  Those times compare with my qually lap of 1:24.49 and my fastest lap of 1:23.70 (thanks to some pressure from Martin ;) ).  So I'm getting there but more praccy is required!!!!

I'll need to start reproducing by best form if I'm going to keep the pressure on Mr Rainier!  He is quick AND steady :o

I must admit I was considering getting BRM for this race... seemed the only car that wouldnt prefer the wast green plains over the convolted, bumpy, greased, covered with engine parts, adventuring tyres and blood splatters from overrun spectators and flagmans surface of the track...Of course, truyng the eagle with my new, unconventional, untested and wrong geared setup changed my mind. Got a pole time not far from my pb (1.22.400) and there was brabham behind me... brabhams are too twitchy to survive long. My mouse was too twitchy too. Well, I survived long enough. I guess that is good thing... And didnt crash into anyone, which is even better thing...

Numpty!!....Are we going to see a UKGPL comeback from yourself any time in the future? Plenty of new 'meat' to cut your teeth on!!.......... ;D

I suppose a finish has to be regarded as something of an achievement on this occasion although I lost track of the number of times I spun off starting on L1. I put it down to spending too much time on Dirt3 between races. Encounters with the barriers seemed to have a cumulative effect when the steering developed a mind of its own despite there being no visible damage and I had to ShiftR.

S2173 'My mouse was too twitchy too'  Mouse!?! You drive with a mouse and get those times -I might as well hang up my helmet now!

Knowing that made me feel rather unwell too  :-[

Regards PB's my old rank times are way out of reach these days except a few like the BRM which I always avoided like the plague unless I was physically forced into the cockpit  , Must say having tried it a few times recently I find its quite a nice car to drive but requires a different technique (one that completely aludes me ) to get any speed out of the thing .

One other thing ,  I discovered its fuel consumption is pretty good , having "tanked up" for the race distance I was suprised to find I still had 16 laps worth of fuel at the finish , would have thought the opposite as in R/L this was a gas guzzeler . Maybe because i'm not pressing the gas pedal hard enough ?  Same can be said for the reliability , in the simm its good but again in R/L it left bits of its internals and crank case spread around the tracks of the world. It took a Lotus chassis plus the skills of Jimmy Clark to gain the only GP victory  :)

Raoni is driving with keyboard... Sven is driving with gamepad, which is technicly a keyboard with more comfortably placed buttons. Just look at some practice how they steer from cockpit... That is MUCH harder.

About gpl cars, I have noticed i cant drive them equally well all the time... I have to be in mood for them so to speak. It took me alot of "tuning" to the cooper to get negative monster, and BRM is simply slow... They probably arent too true to the originals too... Honda and eagle are way too tough, and brabham suspension is way too fragile. Cooper and Lotus seem allright tho, and ferrari feels wery hard to get in tune with...

For me realism is the key.  So I always drive in cockpit view with a FF steering wheel.  IMHO it wouldn't be anywhere near as much fun any other way.  I've had several steering wheels all with paddle or sequential shifts until I got my G25.  It took me a while to pluck up the courage to use the H shifter in league races but this is my second season using it and I've just about got the hang of it.  It is much harder to drive and my times are slower (not to mention the odd, thankfully less frequent these days, shifts from 4th to 1st which results in the inevitable spin) but it is so much more realistic. 

I've just had an idea that might make things even more authentic.  I wonder how hard it would be to convert a pair of 1960s goggles like these (http://classicpartsltd.com/mark-4-silvercross-halcyon-goggles.html) into 3D glasses!  Not sure I want to pull apart a new set of Nvidia 3D glasses (http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/buy-wireless-3d-glasses-uk.html) but if anyone has stood on a set and broken them it might be fun to try LOL.

Incident reports should be submitted by the end of Sunday 20th please.

Be carefull your Mrs doesn't send round the men in white coats when she spots you sitting at the PC with your racing goggles on :w00t:

She'd be even MORE worried if he had the flying helmet AND the wet celery as well!!............. :o

Nice idea, and probably more comfortable than the pair I use offline.  But do Lcd's still work when dismembered?  The particular ones shown have 4 facets, so you'd need 2 sets of stereo running together. Hmm . . . not sure how quad vision works - could be good.  If it allows 4 dimensions, you could predict accidents ahead of time, and gain an unfair advantage. :laugh:

eDimensional produce a set of 3D gaming glasses for a mere £80. I tried a pair at a Flight Sim convention a few years ago but wasn't too impressed.

No need to hack anything apart, just buy these things

http://www.sony.co.uk/hub/hmd-video-glasses

Mmmm - my wife would be pleased...  ::)

Mod published.

Thanks for the analysis!

Particularly as a newbie,  I was hoping to remain out of the mod report as much as possible - but managed to get in there twice on consecutive laps.  Not exactly the low profile start to the season I was hoping for!

Without making any kind of admission,  apologies to Mr Nobrakes for the scuff marks.  At least they were all confined to the same panel...

Still, with 7 cars in that incident - maybe not one for the promotional video;  but maybe some TV channel will stump up £250 for the server fund?!

Otherwise,  I think I'm generally happy with that outing.  Could have been a lot worse,  particularly turning up late [luckily to find a spare slot!] with just enough time for a couple of practice laps on full tanks.  At least it was not raining :)

Cheers,
Dave.

Regards the "Racing incident" involving the following drivers ......


bernie (Bernie Darwin) — Racing incident
Billy Nobrakes (Billy Nobrakes67) — Racing incident
dave curtis (Dave Curtis) — Racing incident
francesco (fran7 Molteni) — Racing incident
HendyNichols (Hendy Nichols) — Racing incident
il_lupo_mannaro (Fabio Locarno) — Racing incident
Screwcutter (Paul Markey) — Racing incident

The above ( excepting yours truly , of course ) should all have been DQ'd for reversing into me  ::)

Thx Ross for your job!
Just one question: why Francesco was excluded from the race result?

Fran drove the Eagle when he couldn't afford it Fabio....not enough tokens.... :-[

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=336&theme=6

A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race. Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.